exactly

Simple prediction here. Lance will not be an F1 driver after 2024.

@@WRXMAN-ms2mm Seems he will be in that new AM car for WEC.

@@WRXMAN-ms2mm I don't have a personal opinion on the guy, but seeing the way things have turned out lately, that would be a good thing.

They all lashed out at moments of frustration. It's exactly the same.

We're coming back in the constructors baby!

I love the fact that we have the best driver pairing on the grid lol hopefully next year we'll be fighting red bull for at least the constructors, if not the drivers championship too

​@@racecarrikabsolute killer move to score that pairing

11 points gap with 5 races to go easily possible to finish 4th LMFAO Thank you Sir Lancelot

Yes, absolutely, why not? Lance's dismal performance gives McLaren the edge to finish better. Poor Alonso, he is trying so hard and as is his forte he has the ability to get good results even from lesser effective cars!

a fellow mohawk enjoyer. always a great sight.

Inbred too

I mean... THE NERVE!

Waiting for RPMs reaction

I mean verstappen did both without a teammate

Yeah, it's very rich (pun intended).

Lawson will never get a seat other than AT. He doesn't have cash.

Still performing better than Perez

@@KS-tz9sgStop the nonsense... Perez is still second in the championship. Y'all can say what you want, but that's a fact... if he really was that bad another driver should've been 2nd many races ago. Is he at peak performance? No of course not... but so called fans calling him a bad driver is straight nonsense.

Lawsons dad should have worked harder.

Thats a sad fact for Strolls sadly. Miyuki Shiba (also owned part of AMRF1 team) feeling unhappy with that.

@@purwantiallan5089did i just see random Mahouka referrence?

Who said that?

Source: Trust me bro

Source: Trust me bro

There aren't two Fernando Alonzos though. He's a legend, and he's covering up some serious weaknesses in the Aston-Martin car. Their car has fallen back in the grid over the year and is somewhere between Alpine and Mercedes in terms of quality and lo and behold, that's where they're averaging out, even with Lance Stroll having some serious confidence issues. Remember, Aston Martin finished in P7 in the last constructors. even P6 is a substantial improvement. Their car is better, but probably not P2 better. The fact that Alonso's managed to make it work is more of a credit to Alonso than it is a strike against Stroll. As a team like Aston Martin you aren't going to find 2 guys like Fernando Alonzo who was willing to drive a car that finished P7 last year. Anyone else in the same position would have similar problems to Stroll. It's part of the psychology of being an F1 driver. As pointed out, Stroll is definitely not the only driver dealing with this right now.

​@@hagamapamanon Stroll driver would have finished on the podium several times in the first 7 races. Not only would this driver give more points to Aston, but he would also take these points off Mercedes/Ferrari/McLaren. With early advantage they would still hold on to P3 or P4 comfortably

@@hagamapama even if all of this is the case, he still doesn't manage to be even remotely near the drivers he should be around performancewise given his car and experience (drivers like Russell, Sainz, Leclerc, Norris and Piastri). You cannot tell me this is too much to ask of him.

@@dmytrothecat8317 The mere fact that he is the only driver in the top 6 teams that has yet to stand on the podium this season (even both Alpine drivers managed a podium each) speaks volumes.

Perez ans Stroll should retire. It must be clear for Stroll senior that his son will never ne world champion. He's good in the wet (pole in Turkey), but there are no more races when it's raining. The only way for him to become F1 champion would be a VASTLY superior car and a worse teammate. Both things are unlikely to happen.

Yes, he certainly put on a big show for everyone to see.

He'd come off worse due to the DC chin

Had every right to considering DC's lifting could have genuinely led to a freak accident

@@lemonfish4497 It clearly isn't just a show, he was obviously furious over Coulthard's actions that can only be called a "mistake" by people very charitable to Coulthard.

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson 100% agree, even under the best case scenario, it's simply inacceptable for a car that gets lapped to stay on the dry racing line and forcing the other driver to overtake on the wet parts of the track... in a corner, no less. Coulthard's action was disgraceful and it could have had dire consequences, just imagine Schumacher's car flipping upside down and going into the gravel pit, could have been quite serious. Even without causing an injury, Coulthard cost Schumacher a clear and uncontested victory. It ruined Schumacher's shot at the '98 title.

Thats unbeliavable in fact.

Yep, I reckon they're just running down the clock until they can announce him for the LMDh program.

I think it has more to do with the Lawrence Stroll money being invested. If that stops, Stroll is done. If it doesn't, he will be safe.

@@TangoNevada I think he's out to make money by owning the brand but who knows. If I were a betting man I'd put money on Lance signing to the LMDh program either end of this year or next. That's if he doesn't quit racing altogether.

He's like the little girl from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

Lance Snrs investment has gone much further than just buying his son an F1 seat. He owns the whole Aston Martin car company for one thing and will want the brand to be successful for the long term. Lance Jnr needs to come to terms with the fact he's not on the same level as elite drivers. He got away with it driving for midfield teams but he they want to challenge the top 4 he needs to step aside.

​@@Weakeyedominantbring Miyuki Shiba and Kasumi Nakasu to Aston Martin in 2024.

Do you think Lance is more talented than Grosjean?

@@vanesoko I said he could be competitive, looking at his Junior Formula record I reckon he’d be quick enough in Indycar. I think Grosjean is heading for retirement and has probably lost some speed as a result of his fireball crash but yeah, I reckon they’d be about the same level.

@@Weakeyedominant Doesn’t stop him selling the F1 operation and keeping the road car and sports car racing division. F1 is horrendously expensive and his stated desire was to see his son become world champion. When he realises that’ll never happen in F1, I see him ditching it.

Well seems like Shizuku Osaka (Aston Martin fan) also feeling disappointed on AMR F1 right now.

media has been so harshen stroll that he is being compared to a 10 year old who thinks he is capable of driving without even knowing that he would fail a writing test

@nicelyg114 as far as I know, not by international (and english speaking) outlets Sky F1, F1 media, BBC, ESPN, Autosport, etc... commentary pieces might be different. Constructive critiques are fine. All insulting remarks and personal attacks (all wrong btw) come from social media content creators and their audiences reacting to them

​@@alrplaylist1Brazilian commentators are callling him a cry baby since friday Since the start of the year is their opinion that Stroll is doing extra time on F1

@cosmicdust4749 that's what I mean. Local media had the freedom to do it. Not international/official broadcasters.

Interesting point😂 After all they started with a lot of wind tunnel time, then they got to 2nd in the Constructors' and are now losing everything. Maybe the is the actual "Next Year is Our Year" we were promised by another team...😢

😂

Very much a possibility!

They had it for 2023 and still went backwards

Wind tunnel time won't fix what ails Lance Stroll. He really needs to take a stroll away from F1...

💀no way you just replaced Sh't with Stroll That's dirty...

Well Miyuki Shiba is also having a Stroll.

LOL

Shut up internet behavioral analyst

and being angry at another driver has a reason most of the time. lance just took his frustration out on the first person he could.

​@@the4GIVENwell Kasumi Nakasu and Shizuku Osaka also ever shown a frustration before.

Able to bully because of privilege 😡

100% this. He's attacking those around him that are doing everything in their power to help him succeed. It's embarrassing and he doesn't deserve to have a team of hard working individuals around him if this is how he treats them when things don't go so good for him

agreed , i think but even as a stroll ''fan'' i think the critism is warranted ... for 5 gps in row he's been mediocre... but tbf he did have a decent beginning of season but no more no less... just decent.

I can honestly see Stroll catchingg on with a retread friendly team like Haas even in the absence of a Papa Stroll to influence the decision. While his lack of consistency iis obvious so is his talent.

Why do people always say this. There’s nobody out there who actually thinks money does buy you talent?

Idk its not like Stroll can't drive, he beat Max in F3 and did well F2 he just isn't F1-Caliber

​@@JeffBillionaireBezosyou've obviously never been around people with money and no sense of the world around them because of it.

@@Blyatarina I’ve also been around poor people who have no sense of the world around them. What’s your point?

​@@BlyatarinaTatsuya Shiba in F2 done far better than in AMRF1 obviously.

Honda has got to be looking at this with major anxiety. After stupidly announcing a pullout of F-1 on the cusp of Max’s 1st championship, allowing enough time to go by where Red Bull had to make their own engine decisions going forward, and then absurdly deciding to come back, but with Aston Martin. Now they have a scenario of teaming with a lesser partner, with Alonso most surely retiring and Lance Stoll being the number one driver? Once again, mistakes by Honda’s management in F1 will pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

real

well said

Name me a sponsor or supplier who isn't already aware of Stroll's shortcomings as a driver? And has known for a long time.

Can we stop perpetuating this myth that Yuki is any good though, Honda should want the best drivers at AM not a token Japanese driver

Well seems like Aston Martin F1 in last few races had an awful fortune like Repsol Honda MotoGP 2023.

True... but he's still rubbish.

Incorrect. He said that he did faint multiple times. Not almost.

@@Zramy If that is what he said then I'd call bullshit on what he said.

​@@lolzlolz102Multiple drivers had a LOT of difficulty. David Coulthard brought to light how terrible conditions were. Lots of drivers were struggling. Several Drivers fainted after the race, stroll had to go directly to an ambulance after the race, Albon struggled to get out of his car afterwards, and Ocon was throwing up in his helmet by lap 15.

AMRF1 needed absolute solution by now.

I think a lot of people are overly negative about Stroll. He was promoted too early and got to make a lot of his rookie mistakes in F1. But it's undeniable that there's talent there.

@@hagamapama he was not promoted. His father paid the Williams F1 team $80 million to give him full-time seat in F1. And they were having financial issues so of course they took it. In no way was he actually brought on due to his abilities or anything like that. His father just gave them a whole bunch of money they really needed simply to stay afloat. His "salary" was essentially allowance from his Dad (and still is) He doesn't have the mindset, drive and discipline needed for greatness. Nor does he have the competitive instincts or frankly, the talent. One cannot develop any of these things when they've never had to actually struggle or face real adversity in life. He's had every possible advantage and opportunity to become the best driver he can be, including literally 1 on 1 mentorship and lessons from 2 multi-World Drivers Champions (Alonso and Vettle) who were able to help him maximize his performance in he Aston Martin F1 car they both drove with him. With Vettle, he had one of the smartest drivers of all time, with some of the greatest academic understanding of the physics, dynamics, and mechanics of an F1 car that any F1 driver has ever had. And with Alonso he had one of the greatest pure instinct, feel, and raw car control masters in F1 history. Who also is one of the best wheel to wheel racers in F1 history. Both men are absolute legends, masters of their craft, with some of the most experience of any modern F1 drivers. And they were both racing as his teammate and experiening the exact same car as Lance, so they could give excellent feedback and advice. Despite getting what is basically priceless training and advice from those two, as well as spending his entire life pursuing a career in F1, and having his father spend hundreds of millions to give him multiple years of F1 racing experience without having to worry about actually retaining a seat based on merit and performance. Even after all of that, the best he can do is, performs on the low-end of aggressively mediocre. And at worst, he is just a danger to the safety of the other drivers, to himself, and to the reputation of F1. At no point has he looked to have any real ability to drive the new regulation cars at the level deserving of an F1 seat. It's clear his mental model and understanding of F1 cars was very lacking and he cannot adapt to the new cars which require far more skill to drive than the older regulations which had far more elaborate and forgiving suspension, dampeners, downforce and overall handling. So no. People are not being overly negative. He is only in F1 due to his father spending lots of money, and ontop of that he acts like a petulant child. He treats F1 like a weekend hobby or like a kid whos parents are making him play rec-league baseball. The closest he's come to taking F1 seriously is that ridiculous temper tantrum where even after that episode he was still too mentally slow to understand what he needed to do to actually improve. He will just continue to make the same mistakes over and over, while those around him continue to enable his extreme incompetence because that's what they are paid to do. Oscar Piastri could have done what the Strolls have done, but he got into F1 on pure merit and performance despite having the family wealth to have been a pay driver. But it was important to him that he achieve this without just relying on his family's money. Becuase he felt that to do that wouldn't be any real achievement for him. That fundamental difference in mentality is why Oscar Piastri could come into F1 and comprehensively outperform Lance Stroll in every meaningful way. It's clear that Oscar could have come into F1 his rookie season and beating Lance Stroll in equivalent machinery over the entire season. It likely would have been a near or complete whitewash in qualifying and race performance. Similar to what's happened with Lance vs Alonso. But probably slightly less extreme. If he was actually F1 material he wouldn't be the biggest pay driver in F1, and he wouldn't be a massive competitive hindrance for Aston Martin. Calling him a pay driver is honestly an understatement as the amount of money that has to be spent to keep him in F1 per season is significantly more than the average pay driver. Like multiple times more, if not 10X. And that's before considering the financial cost that his terrible performance actually has on the team, between the cost of all his crashes, and especially the tens of millions lost per season in World Constructors Championship positions. As this season especially, AMR has likely lost 1 or 2 WCC positions due to Lance Strolls constant underachievement. As a driver he does not bring a single benefit to Aston Martin as an F1 team. The only value he has is essentially via his father's investment in the team due to wanting to support his son.

@@hagamapama when you look at the sheer amount of time, money, effort, experience and expertise that was dedicated solely to getting Lance Stroll to be an F1 driver. Then see what the actual results and performance outcomes have been as a result, it is the most clear and damnning evidence of his complete lack of talent. If you gave most kids or sim racers with an interest in F1 the opportunities, time and resources that Lance Stroll has had over the course of his single seater racing career and in F1. The majority of those people would likely be substantially better than Lance Stroll. If you took the average sim racing influencer and just gave them the resources and opportunities that Lance Stroll has had over the multiple decades of his single seater development, they would likely be better than Lance Stroll. I would be willing to put a substantial amount of money down that if you gave any of the top sim racers on iRacing, or in the F1 game like Jarno Opmeer (even you know who), just 3-4 years of the resources, opportunities, and training that Lance Stroll has had since entering F1, they would be not just better than Lance Stroll, but substantially better. Oscar Piastri has natural talent, Max Verstappen has natural talent, Kimi Raikonenn has natural talent, Lewis Hamilton has natural talent. Lance Stroll has the best training/teaching/opportunities that money can buy. But he absolutely does not have natural racing talent. Certainly not to anywhere near the degree of an F1 caliber driver. He lacks awareness in wheel to wheel racing, he cannot adapt to new vehicles quickly (if at all), he cannot extract the maximum performance from a car, he cannot consistently produce good lap times, he cannot produce elite level single lap pace, he cannot provide quality feedback on car handling to the engineers, he doesn't have the sensitivity and subtle/smooth inputs of an elite driver, he cannot perform in high pressure situations, he cannot lead a team, he cannot bring the best out of those around him, he cannot maximize his results even on bad days. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. You can consider all the hallmarks of an elite F1 driver or elite athlete in general. All those behaviors and characteristics that we consider a truly elite competitor to possess. When you compare Lance Stroll against that list....its clear he possesses basically none of them.

​@hagamapama after this many years in the sport the talent should have shown up by now.

Well definitely is. Tatsuya Shiba done far worse than even Piastri.

Um no. Getting angry yes. Pushing a trainer? No.

Its what its.. whats done is done. No matter how positive or uplifting the statement of post quali is, its gonna be for media and damage limitation. Why dont go somewhere privacy without any cameras to release anger but no, instead pushing his trainer like man was a servant. He got no authority for acting like that.. Oh wait hold on. Whos on that team have a nerve to fight back or saying something relevant to him? Two times world champion doesnt care less, hes busy carrying the team and the others like to keep their job

It's not unforgivable considering that drivers like Massa, Kimi who are WDCs or title challengers struggled to drive a shitbox designed for Alonso as their main driver. When you hire Alonso and design the car around the number 1 driver then you only get one driver competiting. At least in Redbull's case they have a dominant car.

Fighting another competitor is not a big deal, especially given the nature of racing. Assaulting your own team member is something else.

Yes, it deserves a video on its own.

I think it was a near thing with Logan Sargeant. I was fully expecting him to drive straight into the barriers at some point.

@@senojelykStroll also said he blacked out multiple times behind the wheel, and Ocon said he'd vomited inside his helmet at around lap 40.

But the car isn't very competitive anymore. Alonso can't do anything to hold of the RB, Ferraris, Mclarens or Mercedes. The Alpines are about on par with AM now. At the beginning of the year when the car was competitive he had a few strong drives. But sure also had a few really bad ones.

I would say that he did indeed cap out a while ago - he is better than his current form though.

I'm not convinced. The Aston Martin car looked like a world beater early in the year but other designns have clearly surpassed it by this point in the season. Aston has clearly struggled to roll out effective upgrades and naturally that's going to expose the less talented driver first. Remember, Aston Martin is still getting its house in order after finishing near the back of the pack just last year, there are going to be teething problems with their design and manufacturing process.

@@hagamapama And even then Lance wasn't all that impressive either.

The irony is that from the Strolls’ perspective, the nicer and better team player Alonso is, the more of a villain he becomes. The wily old fox was way ahead of us the whole time!

@@tomhutchins7495 100% yeah, I have to admit I'm loving it! There's no better way to prove you're number 1 than to quietly obliterate your teammate results-wise; I'm enjoying it way more than if Alonso had just stirred up trouble like he used to.

Massa and Kimi were WDCs or title challengers and they struggled only in a cars designed for Alonso. Vandoorne was the first Leclerc and got points in his debut race in a power sensitive track with the worst engine and struggled massively later seasons. What justification do you have that any other driver would do better? Historically every one of Alonso's teammates found the car designed to suit Alonso's driving style has been undriveable for them, except Hamilton and Ocon because Mclaren and Alpine had equal status.

@@paperplane-db8qf The difference here is that Alonso wasn't the established driver at the team, the car wasn't "built for him", he only joined joined last season and it was a very spur of the moment decision, he said so himself

@@wb2463 at the start of the season Stroll was right behind Alonso even though he was injured (Bahrain, Australia, Saudi, Baku, Spain, etc) But since then the car has been heavily upgraded and Stroll is struggling more.

Well considering the situation currently in, i may expect Miyuki Shiba and Makima possibly to own a AMR WEC team someday.

What if Miyuki Shiba part owned AMR F1...

Yeah it should've been mazepin or rich energy that got the team right?

You can't even beat guys in F3 lol. Even if your dad is Bill Gates you won't be in F1.

Jealousy is so beta, dude

Well Miyuki Shiba wanted to own an F1 team as well.

Lance still has more podiums than you 😂

Yes. I don’t have the talent to drive the cars but I could go to ALL the races, periodically returning to my Monaco flat. That would be very fun

As if you could drive within .5 seconds of Alonso. A youtube commenter acting like he has the willpower to become a F1 driver.

Kicking a dog? His trainer started saying stuff to him as soon as he climbed out, wagged his finger in his face and then grabbed Lance when it was obvious Lance needed some time to cool down. Then Lance shoved him away. Your statement lacks so much context.

@@rt-uh6mt agreed, everyone has had bad days or moments to act rather unreasonable.

He’s never done this before. What do you mean?

​@@chancegvmore like semi finest.

​@@chancegvliterally almost everyone in paddock says stroll is one of nicest guys Don't listen to moron above, he is just using one incident to further fuel his hate for a driver, bit sad imo if you go that far over a person who doesn't even know you exist

@@russotusso1695source: trust me bro. Lmao I have it on good authority that 99% of the paddock sees him for exactly what he is: a spoiled little talentless brat

@@russotusso1695 It’s so unfair. Any other driver has an outburst, people are understanding. Stroll has one and all of a sudden he’s a “spoiled rich kid who acts like this all the time.” It’s like people don’t even realize the whole reason this is a story is because this is so out of character for him.

He makes it difficult to like him 🤦🏽‍♂️

Ship Stroll off

No thank you, you can keep him we also don't need him here 😊

A driver who cant even complete a 2 hour race? in endurance? No thank you.

@@askeladden450wait for someone to scream, ‘bUt fOrMuLa OnE iS mOrE DiFiCuLt’

except the endurance team said they do not need the talent of Lance. 😂😂😂😂😂

Someone who claims to have fainted multiple times during an F1 race isn't building a strong case for a gig at endurance racing.

Yes, I think he can find a great performance window, but he just cannot find the absolute maximum. That would explain why he would perfrom well, but not enough for the start of the season.

​@@groundedgamingnot good enough.

@@groundedgaming but same as with Perez he doesn't need to be getting the maximum he just needs to be backing up his team mate which he was doing in the main race. Not many weak links in teams now, strong one's are McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes weak are Williams with Sargent, Red Bull with Perez and Aston Martin and Stroll

Lance can just do the lap to the grid! 🤣

Now you re talking 👍

he should be expecting that criticism though. He's not a new driver anymore. He's in his 7th year and despite his moments he hasn't proven that he deserves a seat. Compare that to drivers being axed after 10 races and you can't really feel sympathy. He got to f1 based on talent and on his father's support. He obviously has talent, but it's not the talent that's kept him in F1...clearly. If you want to stay in the sport based not on your talent but on the fact that your father owns a team that's fair, but so is the criticism

@@user-en9re7br2l Of course criticism is fine, and appropriate with his level of performance this season. But half of the comments are blatant insults.

Fr I dont remember stroll ever being this off the pace

You talk as though talent had anything to do with F1. It's money first and last. Always has been

Pushing is not an altercation, it's frustration. And I'd bet money that other drivers have/do do it.

Don't. He's talentless and spoilt, but win or lose, he goes home to a pile of money that would give most people vertigo if they stood on it...

​@CKTechTV talentless is pushing it. There have been F1 drivers that haven't even been within 3 seconds of their teammate. He's better than that. Is he a generational talent like Alonso, Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton, or a handful of others? No. But he's a solid driver, just MAYBE not F1 talent.

@@jdonovan74 I don't know; I'd say it wasn't far off. Anyone can drive an F1 car (Richard Hammond did with almost no training) but it's talent that means a driver can drive it quickly. I genuinely believe if you replaced Stroll from birth with another human, that human would be doing just as well as he is.

@@CKTechTVI really don’t think you understand how hard it is to get within tenths of a second lap times to f1 drivers. You have to do everything perfectly, all the time, whilst reacting to cars around you that want to make things not as perfect. If you gave the average person the same experience as Stroll in racing they’d still be seconds behind pace and if they try to close that gap then they’d make ten times the mistakes he does. Because they 1. don’t have the mentality (even if stroll has a weak mentality for f1 he still has miles more determination than the average,) 2. don’t have the reaction speed and 3. don’t have the ability to maintain absolute focus for 90minutes. Stroll is at the 98th percentile instead of the 99th, most people even with funding and some talent would struggle to get past 90th Just watch an FP1 with rookie drivers they’re usually (if they’re not Liam Lawson) 2seconds+ off the pace of their teammates, and those are drivers who’ve won F2 races.

@@zarovich9397 you can think that. You'd be wrong, but you can think it.

And who’s to say they are wrong?

no

@@WezMan444 well everyone has the chance to do sim racing and you should know how hard it is to even reach the top 100. If 99% people can't even do that then how would they also cope with the physical requirements.

Vettel was not significantly faster than Stroll. He might have performed better, but Aston Martin's performance this second part of the season is in no way able to compete for a 2nd position.

AMR 21 and 22 weren't as fast and competitive as AMR 23 was at the beginning of the season. So the difference between the drivers weren't as apparent. Also, I think Seb also lost the hunger and push since 2019. In the end Seb still finished higher on points the two years he drove with Stroll (although Stroll finished ahead of Seb more times on 2021,Seb outqualified Lance more and Seb has to thank the podium in Baku for the points). Seb decidedly beat Stroll (in qualifying, race finishes and points) in 2022 despite missing the first two races.

that and he's sh1t.

Kimi is a literal world champion, George has won a race and had multiple podiums. Yuki performs well in that tractor of a car but most of all brings a lot of money to Alphatauri. Stroll is spoiled and not a very good driver who he doesn’t place high enough for the car he has. Also it’s not anti Stroll agenda he’s just not very good and the nepotism is dumb in this case because it doesn’t bring AM anything positive.

Massa?

He was already on the verge of recovering in Bahrain, lame excuse.

Yeh but alsonso was going a full second faster and was competing for top 5. Not beating a williams or an alpha tauri when your in an objectively better car in Q3 is just bad