At least 4 Americans facing prison in Turks and Caicos over ammo in luggage

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Ай бұрын

This week an Oklahoma father of two became the latest American tourist to be detained under a new firearm law in the Caribbean territory of Turks and Caicos. The arrest comes as a Virginia man faces up to 12 years in prison after airport security allegedly found ammunition in his carry-on bag earlier this month. CBS News senior transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave has more.
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@devildoll9929 Ай бұрын

Too many Americans are accustomed to treating the residents of Mexico and the Caribbean as little more than hired servants. It comes as a shock to them when they learn that their host countries have their own laws that Americans must obey.

@charlessmith263 Ай бұрын

A CLASS B FELONY TO BRING AMMO INTO TURKS? That is very serious! Before this new gun law, bringing guns and ammo there was something like a Class D Misdemeanor equivalent in the United States with no prison time! But 12 YEARS IN PRISON IS VERY VERY SERIOUS!!!

@grmmjhnsn2 Ай бұрын

Am I the only one who things traveling internationally with weapons or associated paraphernalia is just plain stupid?

@rooster1012 Ай бұрын

Irresponsible gun owners clear and simple, these are the people that should not even have the right to own a firearm.

@michaelwells7348 Ай бұрын

What is the obsession with gun.... Big guns ....small gun syndrome

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

@@michaelwells7348that’s plainly stupid! 😂😂

@DefinitelyNotAFerret Ай бұрын

Thinking is no longer “cool”

@lovely31bluprint Ай бұрын

Another Brittany Renner

@yelleryoung5870 Ай бұрын

Americans need to learn to respect the laws of other countries. He is lucky it was not the Bahamas; he would get 18 months per bullet.

@ganlet20 Ай бұрын

Hey, I’m an American and have no problem with them getting jail time.

@digitalpacs Ай бұрын

I have no problem with someone going to jail. It the length of time that is extreme.

@yelleryoung5870 Ай бұрын

@@digitalpacs How is it extreme? He brought highly illegal and potentially deadly objects into their country.

@charlessmith263 Ай бұрын

What is the reason behind the T and C's very severe anti-gun/anti-bullet importation law? Why is there a very severe penalty for importation of all of that gun stuff there?

@brucecook502 27 күн бұрын

@@ganlet20Im also American and I believe you deserve some jail time, maybe like 5 years if you ever accidentally forget to put your turning signal on while making a turn while driving. See what I did there?

@tommyudo3195 Ай бұрын

If this Oklahoma father of two is irresponsible enough to leave ammo in his luggage before traveling abroad, you've got to wonder how responsible he is about stowing his ammunition in a safe place at home away from his children.

@georgezipp8783 Ай бұрын

I wonder what you wrote when Griner was imprisoned ? Then our Government set free a merchant of death to get her back .

@tommyudo3195 Ай бұрын

@@georgezipp8783 Yeah, you gun nuts know all about that merchant of death thing.

@georgezipp8783 Ай бұрын

@@tommyudo3195 Well lets stay on point here . What I wrote was 100 % the truth . Why do you assume I'm a gun nut ? Stop spinning , the so-called news does enough of that .

@tommyudo3195 Ай бұрын

@@georgezipp8783 It's a fair bet.

@user-tu1ee6dc5f Ай бұрын

Attention to detail. Who has ammo any where near their luggage much less loose rounds. How did they even leave the states?

@m3talHalide-rt2fz Ай бұрын

this. they all went through tsa and flew to TC

@WarHawk- Ай бұрын

@@m3talHalide-rt2fz - Sure, they went through TSA, but TSA should not have to hold a travelers hand, as if they were 'mommy', when it comes to personal responsibility. Every one of those travelers are suppose to be grown adults!

@tinotsutchie Ай бұрын

@WarHawk- I hear you, but the whole inception of TSA is to prevent passengers from getting on american flights with weapons. If they couldn't detect ammo in a guy's bag, how effective are they being?

@ajs11201 Ай бұрын

@@tinotsutchie Both points are true. The TSA needs a serious overhaul if they're not detecting ammunition during luggage screenings. At the same time, it's the gun lovers who are always screaming the loudest about personal responsibility who then refuse to accept any when it comes to their own illegal actions.

@tinotsutchie Ай бұрын

@ajs11201 Oh, I agree with both points. This is plainly a case of "breaking the rules you knew about."

@occamsrazorblades Ай бұрын

If you need a passport, know everything in your luggage!

@SMetz-cw6qj Ай бұрын

Great point!

@davemathews7890 Ай бұрын

If I get caught with meth in my car, I can't escape prosecution because I left it there "unintentionally."

@playbookofeli66 Ай бұрын

Your comparing apples and bowling balls.

@davemathews7890 Ай бұрын

@@playbookofeli66 "You're"

@georgezipp8783 Ай бұрын

Just like Griner , she was treated like a hero after our Government set free a merchant of death .

@ajs11201 Ай бұрын

@@playbookofeli66 Two things: A.. It's ^you're and B. No, he's not. That's an excellent analogy. At least one of the families "caught" with ammunition in their luggage is crying that it's unfair because it was unintentional.

@ennuiii 19 күн бұрын

@@playbookofeli66no actually he's not, A really apt comparison would be a Portuguese person bringing meth to America and using the excuse that he just forgot it in his bag. Drugs are decriminalized in Portugal, just like bullets are legal in the T&C

@jsmcguireIII Ай бұрын

Lol, his American "freedoms" trapped him in a sane country.

@Pilotpailie Ай бұрын

Because it’s sane to imprison someone for having a few rounds of ammo right?

@Habadacus405 Ай бұрын

@@Pilotpailieactually, yes.

@joetran8798 Ай бұрын

@@Pilotpailie Are you saying an exception should be made for Americans who break local laws in another country because of the second amendment?

@Pilotpailie Ай бұрын

@@Habadacus405 you defiantly should think about moving to a different country. Firearms aren’t going anyplace.

@paladro Ай бұрын

@@Pilotpailie so you don't respect the law? even when travelling abroad? a reasonable, intelligent person would not have loose rounds in their luggage, period. how does that even accidentally happen, what are they rushing around before the big trip and just got back from the gun show and their luggage was so loaded with firearms that they just overlooked it?

@disastermaster1413 Ай бұрын

Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

@bengibson3298 Ай бұрын

Well, someone's getting an extended stay

@rooster1012 Ай бұрын

Wonder if they get the continental breakfast with that?

@thequake180 Ай бұрын

@@rooster1012 all expenses are paid in his luxury prison suite.

@rubegoldburg7841 Ай бұрын

Ignorance and Carelessness is no excuse👎

@charlessmith263 Ай бұрын

Why is it no excuse to do both when you are in a foreign country?

@monicawerner5762 Ай бұрын

@@charlessmith263love the sarcasm ❤

@AdrianMunch Ай бұрын

No different what we do to foreigners who break the laws here.

@sisterdoublehappiness9714 Ай бұрын

Reminds me of the woman who recently traveled to Dubai to be the first female big rig driver, had a meltdown in a car agency and was arrested for publicly insulting another person (punishable by up to a year in jail in Dubai). Apparently, acting like an entitled asshole doesn't work as well in some foreign countries as it does in the U.S.

@ac61900 Ай бұрын

You don't accidentally have bullets in your luggage that you packed to go to another country.. you break the laws in another country you need to be accountable sorry.

@georgezipp8783 Ай бұрын

Griner was set free for a merchant of death and welcomed back like a Hero ? That's messed up .

@slynskey333 Ай бұрын

Why would you have ammo on your holiday?

@porqme Ай бұрын

Realizing that the rest of the world doesn't share your enthusiasm for guns:

@jamesjazzy8040 Ай бұрын

Damn right...guns are for fools.

@richardgreen9330 Ай бұрын

Why do these american people go into other countries and think they can do whatever they want. . I don't understand that..

@elmerkilred159 Ай бұрын

Yet the countries are more than happy to take them in to let them spend money.

@sheristewart2770 Ай бұрын

Hello, American here~ because in The States, sadly, Americans CAN do just about anything they want, specifically when it comes to The Right to Bear Arms. It's insane here. Not kidding.

@WarHawk- Ай бұрын

There is a scene in the Indiana Jones movie "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where 'Marion' yells "You can't do that to me, I'm American" while she is being kidnapped. Perfect parallel for the American attitude that we are, somehow, special!

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

@@sheristewart2770it’s not insane it’s the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. Stop acting like it’s so scary. It’s perfectly fine and I’ve love my whole life around it.

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

@@WarHawk-you watch too many movies to believe that’s any kind of reality.

@Runner656 Ай бұрын

Seriously, at the Canadian land border this happens a lot more than you think. They can either have the guns destroyed or go back and take the gun home and then come back. Almost all fuss about their 2nd amendment rights to Canadian border agents

@sandraaviles-wilkes7036 Ай бұрын

😂they’re fussing about their 2nd Amendment rights as they’re trying to go into Canada (totally different country, NOT THE USA). Yeah know I understand why everyone in the world thinks we’re stupid.

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

It is a big fuse about the 2A in other countries like a bunch of crybabies

@holyland6380 Ай бұрын

@@sandraaviles-wilkes7036 We also call our game World Series. Many here think that the lower half of North America is the entire world.

@monicawerner5762 Ай бұрын

@@sandraaviles-wilkes7036we don’t think you’re stupid/ just self-entitled. Thank you for defying the stereotype. We know the vast majority of Americans are lovely people. But gosh, it seems like such a polarized society - maybe it would help if more ppl would be humble and say “sorry, eh”

@Nadezhda1932 Ай бұрын

What is it with people taking guns/ammo with them on vacation?! And he how was it not detected when the luggage was checked in ?

@sandraaviles-wilkes7036 Ай бұрын

Why are you bring ammunition on vacation?! I don’t understand the logic behind that. You’re on VACATION!!! Honestly it looks suspicious because anyone with common sense wouldn’t bring ammunition on vacation. Were they trying to sell weapons??

@rooster1012 Ай бұрын

The Transportation Security Administration says it found a record number of firearms at airport security checkpoints in 2023. A total of 6,737 were intercepted - or an average of 18 firearms per day - 93% of which which were loaded, the agency says. The number surpassed 2022's record of 6,542 firearms found.Jan 11, 2024

@The_Algorithm_ Ай бұрын

@@rooster1012 I wonder how many of them had "We the people" tattoos. 😂

@darrellmay4502 Ай бұрын

When other countries say that Guns,Ammo, Drugs, are illegal they really mean it. If You value your freedom at all, make damn sure that you have none of those things when you are traveling abroad!,✨

@cynymin6420 Ай бұрын

So our TSA let them through with ammo and it wasn’t found until they got there?? Wtg.

@NathanDrake-hm6li Ай бұрын

Americans think his American rights work overseas lol . Poor thing

@shannon-976 Ай бұрын

Shouldn't of had bullets in your luggage. Remember know one is above a law.

@DefinitelyNotAFerret Ай бұрын

Or so we believe

@mo_1010 Ай бұрын

2nd amendment can’t save you in a foreign country.

@freshprince130 Ай бұрын

If those thugs would just comply and follow the rules they wouldn't be in this predicament. Isn't that what they say 😂😂😂

@erikaquatsch2190 Ай бұрын

Tourists: You are not going to an amusement park; you are willfully entering another sovereign country with laws different than your country.

@voiceofreasoningelliott5849 Ай бұрын

Life in prison

@leohorishny9561 Ай бұрын

Life in foreign prison: a bonus experience!

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

That’s f uking stupid thing to say. Life in prison for misplaced bullets what a unserious person. What is he gonna do with them? Throw them at people.

@janelle2274 Ай бұрын

Oh well!

@islandbirdw Ай бұрын

People need to wake up, smuggling ammo is a crime there folks. Tourist leave your ammo at home properly secured. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@charlessmith263 Ай бұрын

Do you live in Turks and Caicos?

@MrJohnnyboats Ай бұрын

They broke the law. Ohio govn’r sounds like the American parent who don’t believe their kid is in the wrong.

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

It’s good on the Ohio govenor to try and get him back

@The_Algorithm_ Ай бұрын

@@LoveableLincoln32Why is it good? The guy broke a law with serious consequences that he now has to face. It's not even a new law.

@oliverwade666 Ай бұрын

oh well.... should have been more careful....you can afford to own a gun and travel but to cheap to get a gun bag for the weapon and ammo... make it make sense

@krimsonedit3272 Ай бұрын

Gun nuts

@jimmylieb5225 Ай бұрын

enjoy your fully paid extended stay in paradise!! not everywhere is gun nut heaven!!

@davediamond9436 Ай бұрын

in 1970 basic training ..after the firing range, we were searched for live ammo...the drill sergeant found one .223 round in my clip holder .(i think he planted it) i had to do 50 pushups in the freezing rain.. better then prison ..

@rooster1012 Ай бұрын

No brass no ammo Drill Sergeant!!! But there was always that one guy......🤣🤣🤣

@MrJohnnyboats Ай бұрын

best of days, right there. You prob did it in your sleep.

@AdrianMunch Ай бұрын

Keep him there.

@triskits_mmm Ай бұрын

US embassy: hold my beer

@sharongutwin1279 Ай бұрын

How is it that anyone would travel with bullets? Why? How can a person not know they are in their luggage? Is it that Americans have become so comfortable around bullets and guns that they think that others are ok with them in their country?

@susannpatton2893 Ай бұрын

F A F O moment Dont go if you can't be smart and check your bag. 😂😂😂😂 What if you children found the bullets? So irresponsible

@Renovegas6109 Ай бұрын

Dont go there

@jwbjpb1338 12 күн бұрын

Traveling with ammo in your luggage. Just plain stupid.

@waynecmontgomery Ай бұрын

SNL has to do a skit on this

@iMatti00 Ай бұрын

😢 ~ I feel sad for them. But I do wish I knew if he was the kind of guy that says ignorance of the law is no excuse“ and stuff about how people should be more responsible and “the law is what the law is“. Some people have no empathy until it happens to them. So I don’t know if this couple was like that or if they were in the middle or they were very empathetic for people all the time. I just wish I knew. I dont want to stereotype but most from Oklahoma are not usually the empathetic type.f

@iMatti00 Ай бұрын

Here’s the thing, if that Oklahoma governor is nasty or rude, and I’m the governor/president of that island country, I sent home all the people except for the guy from Okla.. Then I make the Oklahoma governor get on TV and apologize to me and our country just like he ran his mouth otherwise when he was demanding something.

@Therapistmind Ай бұрын

This is just pure stupidity!

@jmcfadden2051 Ай бұрын

I mean if they got through TSA and was allowed them to travel with ammo then it must not be that big of a deal

@hakeemtheplace2959 Ай бұрын

2 bad

@juju-xx5xn Ай бұрын

So was the ammo found when they entered the country, or was it found when they were at the airport ready to fly out of there? If it was when they left the USA, how come TSA didn't find it? If it was found as they were leaving, is there something special about the ammo in Turks and Caicos? Inquiring minds and all that..........

@rooster1012 Ай бұрын

The one guy admitted that he traveled with it and it was somehow left in his luggage from his last trip to Texas.

@Habadacus405 Ай бұрын

They said it was found on their way leaving the foreign country. So before their return flight.

@elmerkilred159 Ай бұрын

@@rooster1012 His second mistake was admitting that the ammo was his.

@sharongutwin1279 Ай бұрын

The guy with ammo is responsible for traveling. Stupid gun owners cannot blame TSA for missing them.

@michaelsmith-sn7bo 17 күн бұрын

am i the only one that noticed tht all these ppl were all arrested with exactly **two** bullets in their luggage?? thats not strange??

@myrtlemoore7611 Ай бұрын

I think this is about money because when a prosecutor opens something like this we're visiting your country with spending money we got tourists now every tour should be scared to go over there now everyone

@RobertDixon-sw3dz Ай бұрын

Does she remarry ?

@ro992 21 күн бұрын

*Why did they put them in their luggage? Is that a dumb question* ?

@juandoe4934 Ай бұрын

They love tough on crime so…

@vlong5710 Ай бұрын

What them folks tell us “just follow the rules”prison sounds about right and just another example of how TSA sucks

@alisons9740 Ай бұрын

This isn’t Broken Down Palaces… HIS ammunition - against the law. Cut and dry. 🎻

@CA-zn9bq Ай бұрын

Ammo and no weapon? Why?

@elmerkilred159 Ай бұрын

Maybe his gun is in his car at the airport. The bullets without a gun is like having a condom in your pocket. You no going to be using either without your gun.

@jamesjazzy8040 Ай бұрын

I think it's great.Maybe people will realize how absolutely stupid it is to own Guns in so many different ways. Nothing good comes from owning firearms, nothing...

@Republican_Banana 18 күн бұрын

I own some and nothing bad has come of it

@trudyjager5609 Ай бұрын

I am just watching ABC doing a very sympathetic interview with one of these men. Who leaves ammo in a suitcase, doesn’t check the laws of the country they are going to, and now whines about an honest mistake? Someone with absolute arrogance.

@NoelThompson-ui5ff 22 күн бұрын

WHy and how do you have Ammo in your luggage?& nor know.

@MikeH-sg2ue Ай бұрын

Accidentally forgot real bullets in his bag, going into a different country with better gun laws! Examples must be set, & safety must be kept! Play carefully folks, & smile often!

@edl653 Ай бұрын

We don't know the details of all the cases, like if it was "a" bullet or 2 boxes with 50 rounds each. There should be some leeway by the Judge regarding circumstance of the cases. About 15 years ago I rented a car from Alamo Rent a Car I picked up at the airport and found a gun magazine with 3 bullets in it, no gun or casing. It surely was not mine.

@sheristewart2770 Ай бұрын

Is it LEGAL in The States to carry guns or ammo on a plane???

@Bonjour-World Ай бұрын

In checked luggage with proper notifications to the air carriers.

@Tropicalflamingo17 Ай бұрын

In checked luggage and sometimes they require it to be locked away as well, but it's not about just the states laws but the other country's laws too.

@myrtlemoore7611 Ай бұрын

But yet we spend money over there we need to stop spending money over there Americans need to stop going over there

@kyledabearsfan Ай бұрын

If it were Brittney Griner, they wouldve traded a dangerous terrorist for them. Im sure since they dont check any special boxes that the US will leave them there. Like theyve left that poor marine in Russia.

@adamwhiterock7376 Ай бұрын

Wonder who Bidan will trade for them.

@arjaygee Ай бұрын

Donald Trump.

@Bonjour-World Ай бұрын

Don Jr. and Eric

@sidkimuwallif4597 Ай бұрын

Just pay the bribe and move on, no big deal 😊😊

@samsilva3625 25 күн бұрын

Americans think they can behave anyway they want, specially in poor countries. Respect their laws. If you broke the law, face the consequences and don’t play victim.

@Purplequeen18 Ай бұрын

Any updates I'm sorry countries laws. I dont travel outside USA i dont know all the laws not worth taking chances

@tbolton6156 Ай бұрын

Ahh! The old one bullet at a time conspiracy. 🙄

@terriring6459 Ай бұрын

So crazy why can't the American concelit help them

@sugawalls26 Ай бұрын

Americans need to stop being so arrogant and learn to respect other people's laws. Even the guy giving this report seems very dismissive in his tone. Not everyone is gun happy like y'all.

@williamshaw5388 Ай бұрын

No sympathy for gun cowards. You get to learn you’re not special and you can’t do anything you like in other people’s country. Welcome to accountability.

@wlcoston Ай бұрын

Let’s normalize responsible gun ownership

@ljacobs357 Ай бұрын

Americans and their guns.

@GilmerJohn Ай бұрын

Well, if this place wants to house these folks for 12 years and lose a lot of tourist business, go right ahead.

@rosec6680 Ай бұрын

Maybe they don't want you, that's the point Americans are not exactly liked when travelling

@GilmerJohn Ай бұрын

@@rosec6680 -- Well, I never had wanted to go there in the first place. The state department should put them on a list of places to NOT visit.

@joewhoa1759 Ай бұрын

STOP traveling with guns and gun related items. If you're that scared of the world, stay in your house. Now look what you have to put up with.

@themartdog Ай бұрын

People are acting like this draconian law isn't brand new. They literally used to just give you a fine for this. There is such a thing as "spirit of the law vs letter of the law" and in this case this law was obviously designed to go after weapons smugglers, not "dumb tourist forgot about a single stray bullet in his bag"

@williamalford4248 Ай бұрын

Very simple solution. Don't keep ammo in your baggage when travelling. The rest of the civilized world does not share America's insane obsession with guns. These unfortunate people are proof of our irresponsible and cavalier attitude towards guns. I sincerely hope Turks and Caicos doesn't make an exception for these lawbreakers. They are an independent British Overseas Territory have a right to make and enforce their own laws. Their proximity to the insanity of US gun culture should make them more ambitious to make an example of those who break the law regarding the import of guns and ammunition.

@michaelwells7348 Ай бұрын

I’ve lived in a City of @ 1 Million People for Over 30 years.... and have Never Felt like a Gun was Going to Protect me from Anything... What is up with these People & Guns. Do they feel afraid or inadequate in some way..like they don’t measure up to Other Men ???

@eddenoy321 Ай бұрын

Good comment. Guns make you less safe for sure. Anyone who wants to do harm to you will assume you are armed so they will act accordingly.

@miadahhajbi6442 Ай бұрын

Vampire Stern family

@MrWhitmen1981 Ай бұрын

CIA?

@user-kg4uf9rv6b Ай бұрын

Listen I don't feel sorry for any of these Americans that are entitled to take and break the rules in another country just like Brittney griner she should still be locked up in Russia these people need to pay the price for being entitled and bringing stuff that they know that they weren't supposed to bring it wasn't a mistake they were just being entitled so I'm sorry they need to pay the price and yes I'm an American but that's stupid they knew better

@Da-joker41 Ай бұрын

I bet if they were black they would have been out by now

@tw8461 Ай бұрын

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🐲

@StirFryChicken Ай бұрын

Call Biden

@askani21 Ай бұрын

Why? Biden actually respects laws. His job isn't to promote the US gun death cult.

@ColAuctioneer Ай бұрын

Pay a fine. cost too much to jail. Move on Turks.

@arjaygee Ай бұрын

Because you say so?

@askani21 Ай бұрын

Ah yes, the American has spoken. The world shall obey. ... I know in the US it's a wild gun jungle, but in other countries we actually do have laws. We don't let children get mass murdered because of a gun obsession.

@LoveableLincoln32 Ай бұрын

@@arjaygeebecause it’s not worth having him in jail have him pay the fine and get him back to the states.

@arjaygee Ай бұрын

@@LoveableLincoln32 Not worth it to whom? Seems like jailing offenders would be more of a deterrent.

@georgezipp8783 Ай бұрын

Funny that all of you are giving this guy grief . But you all ( press ) screamed about how awful it was that Brittney Griner was held responsible for her action . The woke and lefties have been exposed again .