I popped in in the middle of Howard’s opening ramble. It was legitimately the most insane thing I’ve ever seen
@kevvoo19679 ай бұрын
Valentine type heart, Or anatomically correct?@@pakoochavo8696
@FartPanther9 ай бұрын
This might be why, 3% of the population apparently en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder
@skateboardingjesus40069 ай бұрын
I hope he never sees the image of Jesus in a penis shaped rock.
@HTGY6YTH67Y2 ай бұрын
Yeah...I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry.
@robinhood202539 ай бұрын
At the end he said" i am not here to debate, i am hre to get my message out". That says all you need to know. It is truly a shame that you are asked to debate these people. You are an exellent debater and deserve to have an opponent worthy of your time.
@lindalobstadefenda9 ай бұрын
Doesn't surprise me, I couldn't last that long I turned off long before that. But.. makes sense really.
@Ktmfan4509 ай бұрын
@@lindalobstadefendaSame here If someone can't even defend their own reasoning why do they deserve to be taken seriously
@MaffeyZilog9 ай бұрын
@@raya.p.l5919 you need to learn how to spell before making silly claims. It's "and" not "an"! Also, it's "their" and not "there". When you type "there" it means a place, like, "over there"!
@raya.p.l59199 ай бұрын
@@MaffeyZilog level 10 projecting thought an memory who needs yr spells. U know each letter is a symbol. Same with numbers. Why do u think someone who starts with a j or a d basically has the same energy Anyhow for yr reply. Another reason I don't care is for u kind U rocket worshipers. To reply U an all who read will receive Jesus healing energy all old aches and pains will be washed away. Takes 30 minutes best to relax and shut yr eyes. Also 11 07 eastren night level 1 portion of youth longevity digestion an self beauty Jesus energy wash. Negative energy will creep out yr feet tell it's time. Or I'm lying an yr closest friends won't experience it to.
@raya.p.l59199 ай бұрын
@@MaffeyZilog don't think the Illuminati aka fallen angels aliens NASA reptiles liked that last remark. Ohh well my song for the fallen Angels is I don't want to die by Hollywood undead. An the five that play after. The rest after that are for the disturbed black sheep Cracker out
@pla1nswalk3r9 ай бұрын
Howard is definitely a poster child for the saying "if you open your mind too much your brain falls out"
@Ktmfan4509 ай бұрын
Ironically I don't think you could find a person more closed off to any alternative explanations for reality
@primordial829 ай бұрын
"...off the edge of the flat Earth!"
@FoursWithin9 ай бұрын
Somehow they never seem to open it wide enough to grasp the basics of logic and science.
@HisZotness9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure he's mentally ill.
@gou06309 ай бұрын
@@HisZotness I think he is just high on is own farts and self-importance.
@mattpeters47009 ай бұрын
This was such a nightmare, Matt. I literally stood up and clapped my hands when you walked out. What a tragedy.
@outhousephilosophies39929 ай бұрын
Yeah I was on top of a roof and had to turn it off cause the ridiculousness was making it dangerous to work , I must’ve left five minutes before it ended
@robinhood202539 ай бұрын
Me too
@robinhood202539 ай бұрын
@@Chief-Solarize lol.
@allistairkumaran35829 ай бұрын
@@Chief-Solarizeit’s like he was expecting an honest conversation with a religious. Silly of him to expect the bare minimum.
@JoeBlow-zr2ru9 ай бұрын
@@Chief-Solarize wrote "Matt is a quitter. He is too accustomed to being able to hang up on people." Yet Matt doesn't hang up on *_everyone._* The solution is to be someone *_worth_* not hanging-up on. So many fail this important test.
@Locust139 ай бұрын
If you see a car crash victim with a mangled leg you don't have to be a doctor to see that they need help. Likewise, you don't have to be a psychologist or therapist or neurologist to see Howard needs help.
@user-qt8ko4gm2k5 ай бұрын
That's not a good analogy. Mental health issues are far more complex and difficult to diagnose than an injury that obviously is causing somebody great pain. If Howard does need psychiatric help, it's not helpful for anybody to say "get some help". Calling somebody with mental health issues "crazy", especially if they are actually detached from reality in some way (and even if you don't literally use the word "crazy"), is a terrible thing to do because they're still people, and they're just as negatively affected by having what seems like reality to them called a delusion by other people. The most helpful thing to do is to not engage with them.
@rustyshackleford89399 ай бұрын
"As soon as you discard scientific rigor, you're no longer a mathematician; you're a numerologist." - Sol Robeson
@djixi989 ай бұрын
Good quote, especially since Howard said that a "mathematician friend" sent him that "proof" involving π
@Kenneth-ts7bp9 ай бұрын
Why do atheists discard scientific rigor in favor of science fiction?
@starfishsystems9 ай бұрын
It would be a fine quote with the word "scientific" taken out. The reason why is that mathematical rigor and scientific rigor are both very important but very distinct things. Science is an EMPIRICAL methodology which uses INDUCTIVE REASONING to arrive at coherent explanations which are a good fit to the available data about what we presume is an objective physical reality. These explanations are always PROVISIONAL, subject to being challenged by further data. So SCIENTIFIC RIGOR refers to how we navigate our way through these constraints on investigating and understanding the physical world. This kind of rigor is necessary and valuable in science, but useless in mathematics. We have a different kind of rigor in mathematics, which relies on the development of AXIOMATIC FORMALISMS using DEDUCTIVE REASONING. We develop THEOREMS which are justified by means of PROOFS, neither of which have any existence in science. On the other hand, mathematics is uninterested in - and utterly unaffected by - physical reality. So I hope that you can now see how the quote, as written, is utterly dreadful, but also how it can be made quite valid, by application of a very small measure of ... guess what? Mathematical rigor.
@zeroglitch13109 ай бұрын
Never expected you to walk out of a debate, but damn if I’m not glad you did. I listen to a lot of your debates while driving as I’m a FedEx driver. So I tend to space out and it becomes white noise here and there. This debate I kept dialing back in when he said the most batshit things. I’m glad you left. The fact MDD platforms him is, like another commentor in the debate said, unethical. Just ridiculous.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
I can only hope that Matt never does another MDD "debate" as I have already marked the channel as "do not recommend". It's just a dumpster fire chasing zealot platformer for profit.
@donnmckee49739 ай бұрын
Unfortunately they've had him and people like him on multiple times. They knew what Howard was/how he debated and still have him on. That's says a lot about MDD
@AmaranthOriginal9 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamer Matt said he was done after the nonsense at Debate Con
@norcodaev9 ай бұрын
Kudos for getting up and walking out, Matt. Modern Day Debates should be ashamed of themselves for not vetting your debate opponent.
@Nubifier9 ай бұрын
Howard has debated on MDD quite a few times. As far as they're concerned, Howard was vetted. Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't absolutely disgraceful.
@Screencappedhats9 ай бұрын
James doesn't care. He'll platform nazis and all types of batshittery because that's what alot of people want to see unfortunately.
@norcodaev9 ай бұрын
@@Nubifier Has he? My apologies, I must have missed those ‘debates’. Shame on MDD for letting him back on then, especially against someone as serious and prepared as Matt.
@Nubifier9 ай бұрын
@@norcodaev Yeah, unfortunately MDD seems to be taking anyone who's willing to speak these days. I used to enjoy their debates most of the time, but recently it feels like they're trying to cash in on the clicks of insane topics.
@AmaranthOriginal9 ай бұрын
@@Nubifierthese days? No, that's been their model for a long time. This is why Howard is a regular. It's also why Witsit just threatened to leave forever because his opponent was given equal time to speak. Their business model is to get people like Matt to validate the most ludicrous possible topics
@jasons84799 ай бұрын
Gives a whole new meaning to "God hardened their hearts."
@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude9 ай бұрын
I'm literally done with MDD after this one. When you're platforming these types, it's not debate its just clickbait. I can't believe after everything we've been through there, we'd match this guy up with Matt. It wouldn't take 5 seconds to know this conversation would be pointless. Rubbernecking trainwrecks isn't helping anybody but MDD.
@swordblaster25969 ай бұрын
They absolutely dropped the ball here, hopeless.
@simeonemascarpone9 ай бұрын
Fair point. They have some truly despicable people on lately. But on the other hand Matt should have probably looked into the people that want to debate him, like he said in this video. With Howard it also takes like 20 seconds to realize it's probably not worth your time.
@landsgevaer9 ай бұрын
To be frank, it isn't just the people, also the topics. These would be modern-day debates somewhere in the middle ages (quite literally often). The majority of debates are on fairly silly topics that are not at all interesting from a rational standpoint. Flat earth, existence of god, numerology. They are mostly interesting from a cultural perspective, how detached people can get from reality and still 'flourish'. I would welcome debates about debatable views, like abortion, the Ukrain or Gaza war, the effect of Trump on the world, transgenders in sport, the nature of consciousness, you name it. But not on that channel. I watch it for comedic purposes usually.
@simeonemascarpone9 ай бұрын
@@landsgevaer I absolutely agree. But they claim they want to include everyone. And take on all topics. But imo there are way too many debates on mdd that shouldn't even be debated these days. It's absurd. I never thought about that name tbh. It is quite ironic yeah. 😅
@DolphinJew9 ай бұрын
I think the same about this Andrew guy they keep bringing on. He's horribly bad faith and just bullies whoever he's talking to. I will not watch any debate that man is a part of. It makes me feel sick to my stomach to watch him treat people the way he does. And he's given a platform and encouraged! I just can't with MDD
@Harrison100999 ай бұрын
I could hardly believe what he was saying and I thought he must be trolling. You were so right to walk out
@insidejokesarelame9 ай бұрын
When I heard that Matt walked out of a debate my initial thought was that it is a bad look to walk out because it gives your opponent the opportunity to claim victory… Then I watched the debate… Matt was completely correct to leave
@sbushido55479 ай бұрын
I feel like being a flat-earther should disqualify someone from being involved in anything approaching a serious conversation right off the bat. The vast conspiracies required for someone to believe in young-earth creationism are bad enough...but outright denying something that can be demonstrated to children in grade school? Nah, man.
@4Mr.Crowley29 ай бұрын
Matt you handled things beautifully (I say this as a retired academic who witnessed too many bad debates over the years as well). That situation with Howard was so painful to observe, and I applaud you for making an honest effort to engage. You were respectful as well even though he attempted to focus on you personally not the debate topic(s) (typical poisoning of the well). You stayed for over an hour, and I think it was more than clear that Howard was not discussing the debate topics, and that Howard should not be plat formed by MDD as there are very serious issues there (it’s not fair - I don’t think Howard is aware of how delusional his claims are and grasping basic concepts was a challenge for him - this was depressing)
@donnmckee49739 ай бұрын
Unfortunately MDD has had him on multiple times. Its been their model for a while to have people like him on and I am not sure the motivation
@FumetsuGolf9 ай бұрын
I'm done with MDD. If this is what passes for what is supposed to be reasonable debate of modern times then it's no wonder people like Trump are getting elected.
@mikkelfraskui9 ай бұрын
@@FumetsuGolf Same. This isn't neutrality, it's... idiocy? Bordering on exploiting mentally ill people? Deliberately spreading misinformation?
@wolfsigma9 ай бұрын
I hope Modern Day Debates also takes at least a little (but more fairly a lot) of responsibility for allowing the debate to happen. My jaw dropped when he claimed heart shaped rocks were proof because they were ACTUAL hearts. And the red flag of "many people are starting to say." That's almost a full on code word for conspiracy theories.
@Whydoyoureadme9 ай бұрын
The "many people..." kinda argument is so common among people with cognitive biased or sufferers of the dunning-krueger... Whenever someone tell me "more and more people doubt X" I know they have done 0 research on the topic.
@MasterCedar9 ай бұрын
A ♥shaped rock is not shaped like a 🫀
@zapkvr9 ай бұрын
@MasterCedar yeah I mean like how could they miss that? Very strange
@AmaranthOriginal9 ай бұрын
@@zapkvr miss that? Howard has been on before making the same claims
@EliteTrainerKenway9 ай бұрын
I think the responsible thing for the community to do is to just stop watching MDD until they come out and say they'll do a better job of vettting their own debaters. Matt isnt the one responsible for vetting the people who show up on MDD. The people that run that platform are the ones who should be held responsible.
@primordial829 ай бұрын
Big names in the athiest community should also collectively call out MDD and not do any debates on their click-bait platform anymore.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
"until they come out and say they'll do a better job of vettting their own debaters" It's far too late for that to be enough for me. They obviously are dumpster fire chasing for views by platforming delusional zealots and hateful bigots.
@raya.p.l59199 ай бұрын
Warning rocket worshipers I found God an the devil then ripped there souls out. Finally proof ❤ warning intense ❤ all are allowed Last 3 days. Jesus power starts now....yr soul is waiting for you
@chrlpolk9 ай бұрын
Years ago, I called out MDD for being a sleazy forum that allows anyone of any skill level to “duke it out” even if they’re clueless about debating or the topic, because all they’re after is that Superchat income. I am banned from commenting now. 😂
@AmaranthOriginal9 ай бұрын
@@primordial82 what big names? I can't think of anyone big who's been on recently but Matt and AronRa
@BrianJones-wk8cx8 ай бұрын
Bravo on providing the kindest, most charitable viewing of the interaction and your interlocutor. It’s so easy to get caught up in the moment, to get fired up, to lose sight of consideration even when the person your dialoguing with doesn’t adhere to the same standard, but your display of patience in the moment and willingness to reflect in such a thoughtful fashion afterwards are just two of many, many reasons I am such a huge fan of your work. Thank you so much for what you do and how you do it!
@-Zax-9 ай бұрын
No, you were totaly right , he needs help... I was actualy interested in debate after while as it went to crazy levels so i was hoping for some fun, but it went to absolute madness levels after that and it felt like it was impossible to have any real discussion with him. So you did good to just end it.
@mcarp5559 ай бұрын
I wondered, "why hearts?". Is there another stream somewhere that's full of fossilized gallbladders?
@OmegaF779 ай бұрын
Or fossilized genitals
@SilortheBlade5 ай бұрын
But why male models?
@adako253 ай бұрын
As I understand it he was talking about this ❤ shape. The rocks resemble cartoony hearts. Hope I'm wrong and it's not that absurd but it sure did seem that way to me.
@mcarp5553 ай бұрын
@@adako25 No, he mean anatomically correct heart shapes. It's his belief those are actual once-beating hearts, not the idealized shape.
@AlanBolshevik9 ай бұрын
I am amazed you lasted as long as you did.
@TheMissiIe9 ай бұрын
You could shine a light through Howard's ears
@simonbelmont58019 ай бұрын
Since your debate w Howard, the algorithm has put some of his previous debates in my feed. HFS! The young earth nonsense, the denial that dinosaurs existed, and he brings up the "heart shaped rocks" in all of them before delving into any and every conspiracy theory you can imagine. 😂
@orinjayce9 ай бұрын
You should probably vet your opponents on MDD. They platform awful people and some folk who could be mentally ill.
@philj31679 ай бұрын
Glad u walked out. That was ridiculous.
@timmy39829 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm pretty sure soft tissue like hearts don't petrify or fossilize like that. It also begs the question, what other body parts got petrified in the "flood?" Why don't we find skulls or femurs in abundance at the surface level?
@outhousephilosophies39929 ай бұрын
There’s been 3 cases I believe where it did petrify, but not alone this was a structure found within a larger fossil , verify me but I believe they’ve actually found one with dna ( I might be wrong about the dna verify )
@4Mr.Crowley29 ай бұрын
Or livers or brains or kidneys or bladders or lungs or any organs whatsoever…I think Howard believes that stones looking like hearts (I had a feeling he was talking about cartoon hearts more than real hearts) is some sort of divine “clue” that means something. Sorry to say this but this is what delusional thinking can become. This is someone swimming (rather - drowning) in symbolism - not unlike the ways in which Jordan Peterson makes wild claims about “symbols” in nature - for example he states that snakes coil around each other during mating to look like the dna double helix (he said this to Dawkins - Dawkins looked like “what?” and told him he was drowning in symbolism). I blame MDD for not screening Howard - just minimally - IF they care about debates and not just clown show clickbait they should be more careful. It’s frustrating and unfair to legit interlocutors.
@raya.p.l59199 ай бұрын
I found God an the devil then ripped there souls out. Finally proof ❤ warning intense ❤ all are allowed Last 3 days. Jesus power starts now....
@brianmonks86579 ай бұрын
@@raya.p.l5919 Could you put that in English? It was just words put together that sound like they could mean something, but don't.
@raya.p.l59199 ай бұрын
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@Cory_Springer9 ай бұрын
I was excited when MDD was first starting out, but I haven't been able to watch it for a looooooong time now because of the way it's run/modded.
@Cory_Springer9 ай бұрын
I'm not surprised to see the Howard "debated" Tjump earlier this year, and the comment sections are very similar.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
"Do not recommend channel." MDD
@Mike_Jones2819 ай бұрын
Matt, I am generally upset that this happened to you. What an absolute waste of time.
@michaelcolbourn67199 ай бұрын
Genuinely* I think you mean.
@zpRaon9 ай бұрын
You're right that platforming these unhinged individuals is a huge issue. I'm glad you are putting more weight into vetting future debate opponents. Debates like these recent ones is going to cause way more harm than good.
@Breadbored.9 ай бұрын
Howard isn't convincing anybody of anything. Loosen up your grip on those pearls and let people have a laugh.
@zpRaon9 ай бұрын
@@Breadbored. never underestimate human stupidity.
@Breadbored.9 ай бұрын
@@zpRaon Uh huh.... You enjoy living in that world full of paranoid delusions. You're as bad as Howard, lmao.
@MerelvandenHurk8 ай бұрын
@@Breadbored. If Howard could've gotten convinced of those things, who's to say nobody else could become convinced of those things too?
@benwilliams69939 ай бұрын
I bet it went something like this from The Simpsons... Judge Schneider: Do you have any evidence at all?” Lionel Hutz: “Well, your honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are 'kinds' of evidence.”
@xuxuang85749 ай бұрын
I would say his arguments didn't rise to the standard of hearsay and or conjecture.
@phel219 ай бұрын
"Modern day debates" just made their platform a complete joke. There have been lots of questionable debaters before too, but this was off the charts crazy. No serious debater should even consider taking part in anything on that platform again.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
"Do not recommend channel."
@denverarnold62109 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, all things considered, their name is apt.
@mattgyrich15319 ай бұрын
Honestly glad that you pulled a Mclatchie on this one. I agree that you can't or shouldn't diagnose Howard from a far. But for similar reasons, its never a good idea to accept a fight challenge from an eight year old.
@benmorrow17019 ай бұрын
Owen Morgan says something to the effect of, individuals like this exhibit behavior that is nearly indistinguishable from those with mental health issues. However, unlike persons with legitimate mental health issues, these peoples symptoms were learned over time and cannot be treated medically/with drugs.
@Astro20249 ай бұрын
MDD has a very laissez-faire, brain-dead way of hosting debates. There's no moderation at all. No attempt to build a productive and coherent exchange of ideas. So many of their 'debates' are just personal attacks. Hell, literally in their most recent debate, one of the debators spent the entire debate calling their opponent a whore and nothing was done about it. Absurd
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
It's just dumpster fire chasing for views by platforming delusional zealots and hateful bigots. "Do not recommend channel."
@GameTimeWhy9 ай бұрын
It's so strange that mdd thinks moderation is censorship.
@matthew64279 ай бұрын
I'm so glad this was addressed. This was so frustrating to watch & I'm glad Matt put this out. Edit: I want to put this out there too. Matt was put in an impossible position because he was paired with a person who had bad intentions and irrational (and I'd argue irresponsible too) arguments. He was dishonest and Matt's only recourse was to walk out or stay and possibly make the opposition's stance seem reasonable. I hope I don't see MDD make shorts in the hopes of attracting views but we'll see. The whole debate should be considered as an episode that is just shelved.
@Breadbored.9 ай бұрын
He could have just informed himself who he was agreeing to associate with prior to signing a contract to debate the guy instead of wasting everybody else's time.
@Fluffykeith9 ай бұрын
I’ve listened to several debates involving Howard. Each one has been a dumpster fire, by turns hilarious and disturbing and always completely ludicrous. The first time I heard him....I was driving....I had to pull over because I was laughing too hard. The problem with MDD is that they seem like they’re pitching for the dumpster fires, because they get buzz and views and create conversation. The moderation is generally terrible, if the mods even bother at all, and the guests they get in are often fringe even among the fringes. The mods don’t seem to do anything about how bad it gets. Tbh I’m surprised and a little impressed that Matt stuck with it for an hour. Howard is so awful and his arguments are so preposterous that having him on was an insult to Matts time, and that of the audience.
@Kalopsia6669 ай бұрын
You don’t owe that guy an apology. He is either a troll and doesn’t believe what he says, and therefor shouldn’t be taken seriously. Or he truly believes everything he says, and therefor shouldn’t be taken seriously. Either way, he needs help. And I have zero problems saying that.
@FoursWithin9 ай бұрын
Always enjoy listening to your ideas around rationality and irrationality. Your clarity is appreciated. 🌟. 👍
@DarkRanger19759 ай бұрын
Having seen Howard debate previously I had an idea of how his arguments were going to go. I was glad that you left the debate, it was the right thing to do.
@saffer30109 ай бұрын
Thanks for this review, Matt. I hesitantly watched about 10 minutes (if that) of this "debate". I quickly realized it is just one of those BS-shows put on by Modern Day Debate. Modern Day Debate is for the most part only interested in eyeballs and dumpster fires. It's about money; not honest debate. Howard Stirrup, bless his sole, lives is an alternate reality. He'll probably take this comment as a compliment - which ironically explains it all.
@Bob-of-Zoid9 ай бұрын
The way Howard leaned back and relaxed and got this "Aha, I gotcha' face" on when you responded to his opening presentation of pure insanity, and pretty much held it the whole time without even once raising an eye brow, let alone blink more than twice over the whole ~10 minutes, I knew there was nothing but a big "VACANCY" sign up there! You would have been cruel not to end it! Did you watch him field the chat questions? Oh my!😢
@DJ1928374655559 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Matt, that’s not the first time Howard has been on MDD
@samanthapatrick43459 ай бұрын
I watch MDD and I'd never seen Howard on MDD until the debate between Matt and Howard
@DJ1928374655559 ай бұрын
@@samanthapatrick4345 just search “modern day debate howard” and you should find a few examples
@30yearsoldiam19 ай бұрын
@@samanthapatrick4345Howard has four debates on MDD. They are easy to find.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
"Do not recommend channel." MDD
@samanthapatrick43459 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamerwhat's wrong with MDD
@lucasecellofuntimes9 ай бұрын
You are a hero, being the better being!
@samanthapatrick43459 ай бұрын
What Howard Stirrup said after you walked away from the debate which was the right decision gave me the impression Howard wasn't all that there because the things he said afterwards no normal or sane person would say or come out with
@leonhard.doerflinger9 ай бұрын
I was looking forward to this review. Watching the "debate" was hard to endure. I cannot imagine how it must have felt to actually being part of it. Very understandable to walk out of it.
@machintelligence9 ай бұрын
You have more intestinal fortitude than I do. I bailed out early because the bullshit level was too high.
@docsavage309 ай бұрын
I found a rock shaped like Dracula - Flat Earth Confirmed.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but that's a completely irrational conclusion. Finding a Dracula shaped rock can only confirm that the United Nations is secretly run by vampires... But I understand the confusion... /s
@docsavage309 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamer I also found a rock shaped like Kofi Annan, so you're probably right.
@DrSomhairle6 ай бұрын
Wow, this was such a kind summary of what was the most confused opening to a debate I have ever witnessed! This guy was so far off the mark it was scary how he had found people to back his ideas up. It sounds to me that he has gone down a youtube rabbit hole and got stuck in his own land of wonder.
@mobilegamersunite9 ай бұрын
Oooo a serious shitshow to walk away from. Matt, i thank you for all your patience 🙏 you are a role model for the modern-day man.
@vaclavhusak47639 ай бұрын
Honestly after this debate My only question is how strong is connection between conspiracy theory and religion?
@MarkReidAtheism9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I have found the Venn diagram of flat earthers and creationists to be almost an overlapping circle.
@elgringo18939 ай бұрын
Religion is literally the greatest conspiracy theory of all time, especially the abrahamic religions.
@humanfly783 ай бұрын
@@MarkReidAtheismI watch a lot of FE debates and you're right, BUT they typically won't show their creationist hand until they are absolutely backed into a corner. Which I find interesting.
@awesomethealmighty9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your content, Matt.
@kenphillips32829 ай бұрын
Thank you Matt for your rational, clear and critical thinking and your ability to express it in an understandable way. I love how your mind works. Thank you for the debates you present.
@bp5ll9 ай бұрын
are you talking about the guy on screen that thinks men can be women? or someone else?
@DeltaSteel9 ай бұрын
Well said, keep doing your amazing work
@TheseNuts29 ай бұрын
You are the most viewed debater. You give value to all the other crap on there.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
And that's why I hope Matt never does another "debate" on MDD.
@stevewebber7079 ай бұрын
Oh my dog. He was a Mudfossil U. graduate.
@MegaLoucon9 ай бұрын
I only had to hear a couple of words from that debate before I knew it was pointless to continue.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
"Do not recommend channel." MDD
@koraggknightwolf84549 ай бұрын
Lol great description
@johndossett8068 ай бұрын
Thank you for that, Matt. Your empathy for Howard shows your for love humanity. As a Psych RN, I recognize that delusions are on a spectrum with societal norms as a backdrop. For example, the believe that Zeus actually throws thunderbolts maybe considered delusional. Whereas, Mohammed on a winged horse can be considered perfectly reasonable in an Islam country. Who needs “help”? The person that won’t drink or bathe due to fear of electrocution from Zeus’ thunderbolts.
@desnick23169 ай бұрын
I encountered people similar to this. At some point, I wanted to have conversations with them about certain subject, but was always uncomfortable to do it and now I see why. I would not know even where to start. It almost feels like speaking different languages. This debate was unfortunately set up for failure from the beginning.
@RadiantOrchid9 ай бұрын
My brain hurts because I've done too much thinking today. Thanks for giving me an excuse to think more
@kaitownsend828222 күн бұрын
29:22 "There's not enough tin foil.. in the world.. to make a hat.. that would protect *any* of us from what this individual is talking about"
@macavery82159 ай бұрын
Wow I'm here early!!! Time to make popcorn
@liannadragonАй бұрын
About the "you need help" comment. I had serious mental health problems. As a child all I was told from my parents was "you're evil, the devils spawn, always ruining everything" etc etc. Surprisingly none of that helped in anyway! As an adult I started getting told by strangers that I needed help. It was a spectrum from publicly, mockingly or viciously saying it, to saying it privately with care and concern. Eventually after hearing it enough times I actually did get help! It's now 25 years later and I've had a ton of counselling and psychotherapy, and I'm on the right medication 🤗 If I had never been told I need help, I may never have gotten any and I'm almost certain that I would not be here today! I get why Matt thinks he shouldn't say that, but like how religious people won't deconvert after one conversation, I do believe stating facts here could be a small part of someones recovery. TL;DR: Don't kick yourself too hard if you tell someone they need help. It could be what they need to hear.
@ThereIsNoGod35069 ай бұрын
It wasn’t a debate. It was a mentally ill man talking at Matt
@rhondah15879 ай бұрын
I'd love to see Matt debate our New Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Johnson is a YEC and believes the Buybull literally. In fact, he wants to have the whole country believe just like him. and he is a science denier, thinks evolution is a lie and teaching it has caused the decay of the country's morals. Johnson really needs a session with Matt.
@ChickenNugNugz29 ай бұрын
This was awful, and the sad thing is that the upcoming debate with Bigpoppafascist Andrew is gonna be just as bad.
@oldschoolman14449 ай бұрын
You can't debate or reason with crazy! 😅
@KnghtFrzn9 ай бұрын
I really wanted to know if these heart shaped stones were shaped like
@FoursWithin9 ай бұрын
❤
@walter65749 ай бұрын
I saw the debate and it was a train wreck. I was going to comment about heart shaped rocks, mainly the icon we have of a heart shape is not what the human hear looks like. The human heart has the shape of a strawberry 🍓 not a heart ❤
@joeyangtree18629 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that Howard Stirrup actually says and refers to "harp shaped stones", not "heart shaped stones." You can go to 12 minutes 41 seconds in the actual debate to see a page of his presentation that makes this clear. Not to defend his argument, but he is not under the delusion that human hearts are shaped like the heart emoji.
@walter65749 ай бұрын
@@joeyangtree1862 Thanks for the correction. I'm hearing impaired. Now I am questioning what the shape of a harp has to do with evidence for a god? And I have no plans to review this video. Once was painful enough.
@raya.p.l59199 ай бұрын
Warning rocket worshipers I found God an the devil then ripped there souls out. Finally proof ❤ warning intense ❤ all are allowed Last 3 days. Jesus power starts now....yr soul is waiting for you
@joeyangtree18629 ай бұрын
@@walter6574 No problem. I see that Matt made the same mistake. I fee sorry for Howard. He got part of the scientific method down. He made observations and then developed a hypothesis to explain those observations. He just skipped the very, very important step of testing the hypothesis before accepting it as true.
@walter65749 ай бұрын
@@joeyangtree1862 Why test when one feels they are correct?
@Wolf.51.509 ай бұрын
"There's not enough tinfoil" 😂
@silviu-georgepantelimon14239 ай бұрын
Matt, you did your best and the vast majority around here will agree that you made a good decision by walking out. I must also applaud you for admitting where you made a mistake by saying that Howard needs help (even though that's what we all thought at that moment). Hope MDD won't platform these guys anymore, it will do this type of persons much harm in many ways by platforming them.
@pjaworek67939 ай бұрын
Thanks again for leaving this debate, perfect! We heard enough of this guy by that point. Now Alex/cosmic skeptic and other debaters could follow suit when they're being misrepresented to their face.
@renix39689 ай бұрын
Your time is yours. Guard it with due diligence folks
@fartingduck53169 ай бұрын
Production notes: The green screen is reflecting back on host causing "ill" look. Couple small wash lamps either side on host should overpower reflected green and provide clean image of the talent.
@23498cna9 ай бұрын
I was hoping this was the review about Pedokatchu!!! I cant wait to watch that one!
@themaster4089 ай бұрын
I saw that debate up till you left and no kidding you should have left. My mouth was wide with disbelief at how crazy that guy was.
@joematte42699 ай бұрын
Well said Matt. And that was a bizarre debate to watch is all i'll say on that
@no-prophet9 ай бұрын
SciManDan says: "I don't debate established facts". And he's absolutely correct.
@benedictdonald43389 ай бұрын
Let me get this straight: in the year 2023 people still believe that an immortal super-being in the sky literally watches our every move, during our life, as well as “before” and after it, and sends us to eternal torture for not unconditionally loving it. Huh!?!?!?
@loki66269 ай бұрын
Well when you put it like that it sounds ridiculous when in fact.... No... I got nothing.
@simeonemascarpone9 ай бұрын
I heard in the aftershow that Howard said he couldn't attend the after show, because he was going to celebrate the victory.. 🤦
@thekwjiboo9 ай бұрын
I was looking forward to how you would analyze this absolute dumpster fire.
@fuhaustinambe49349 ай бұрын
Right from the beginning of that debate, I quickly realized Matt didn't actually vette his opponent. I was really amazed at Matt's patience along the line trying to salvage the debate. At the end of the day the blame should go to the Morden Days debate team, they would have seen this coming. I hope they do better next time.
@Breadbored.9 ай бұрын
Yes, they should protect Matt from people he might not want to debate because they know Matt will sign a contract to debate literally anybody.
@CoreyJohnsonMusician9 ай бұрын
I love how the review of the debate is half as long as the debate itself. lol
@PoliticsInCars9 ай бұрын
My mom is paranoid schizophrenic and she is alway connecting unrelated things which leads to off the wall claims... howard sounded exactly like that...
@Breadbored.9 ай бұрын
Don't diagnose people on the internet. That's a stupid thing to do.
@PoliticsInCars9 ай бұрын
@@Breadbored. I can whatever dafuck I want, thank you very much
@Breadbored.9 ай бұрын
@@PoliticsInCars Okay, champ. Go ahead and make a fool of yourself if you really want to.
@DRayL_9 ай бұрын
Yeah....that really had to have been a rough place to be in. And good to reconsider who you choose to debate.
@NathanielHarari9 ай бұрын
I agreed with you completely that he should not be given a platform. I’ve seen him “debate” a few times, and it’s just a disaster each and every time. It appears that there isn’t a single conspiracy that Howard doesn’t buy into. And that’s part of the problem here: The “Goldwater Rule”, and how it as affected society. While I agree that most people should not be diagnosed from a distance, there absolutely are exceptions to this. If somebody is walking around in Napoleonic clothing and saying that it’s 1812 and that they are Napoleon, you don’t *really* need an official diagnosis to know that something is fundamentally broken with their brain. It doesn’t mean that they should be treated as sub-human, or threatened, or have stones thrown at them, but it does mean that it is completely irrational to say that you don’t know enough to say whether or not that person needs medical help. I know that this has been abused all throughout history, especially when it comes to atheists, homosexuals, and many other minorities. But we’ve sort of thrown the baby out with the bathwater here. Under these “rules”, no one can *ever* diagnose Hitler or Stalin as having been completely insane - because we’re all doing it at a distance. It’s not as if we have records of any psychologists or psychiatrists who were diagnosing them at the time. That is, of course, the extreme example, but it still holds. And it is disingenuous to say that the rule should apply to everything and everyone. It shouldn’t. There are obvious exceptions. Howard is one such exception. He definitely suffers from a number of psychological conditions to arrive at the beliefs which he has. And to say that out loud should not be a condemnable offense in any way.
@MrBoredinthedorm9 ай бұрын
I wouldn't beat yourself up over the "You need help" comment. You didn't try and diagnose him with anything and it doesn't always take an expert to notice when something is off. I can tell when my truck needs work and I'm not a mechanic. But once I have noticed, I do then take it to said mechanic.
@xmillion17049 ай бұрын
I was fully expecting Matt's ridiculous opponent to impale himself, sitting on his bizarre number wheel and spinning himself dizzy while cackling maniacally.
@yt_hatescrime_data43019 ай бұрын
MATT! "The best disinfectant is sunlight". All ideas should be allowed to exist and be heard because it allows it to be heard by others outside of that persons normal circle and then is open to being criticized by the masses. 👍 👍
@kajsorensen12079 ай бұрын
The problem is that Howard wasn’t there to debate. He said so himself. He has been on mdd before saying “I’m not here to debate”. I don’t know why they give him the time and space.
@cartmanrlsusall9 ай бұрын
Based on the last 10 debates it seems modern day debates is going out of their way to platform flat earthers.
@IRGeamer9 ай бұрын
"Do not recommend channel." MDD
@bobgehrls85389 ай бұрын
OMG, I just watched that train wreck. I loved the end where the moderator would read the comments/questions that asked why you would put up with him. BTW, the ark is real, the earth is flat, heart shaped stones PROVE God! /s
@djbeats87196 ай бұрын
When Howard started talking about Dracula I fuckin lost it lol
@0The0Web09 ай бұрын
"...in his... whatever it was that he was presenting" sums it up quite well 😂
@dommidavros22119 ай бұрын
A very reflective and humble analysis. Yeah the guy was unfortunate and deluded but I'd maintain that he STILL deserves to be mocked for his smugness alone! The guy was an idiot!
@sjzara9 ай бұрын
I was listening along as I usually do, and then I hear “pi and phi” and my brain jams. But it gets so, so much worse.
@McNerdius9 ай бұрын
Indeed... special-casing Fibonacci sequence as "phi numbers" breaks it all. Take any two numbers, add them, add the prior two, repeat, it always quickly trends toward phi. The 24/60/etc cycles stuff still works too. Ah, but In a parallel universe where the Lucas numbers became the "phi numbers", i'm sure that Howard has cooked up a suitable set of cogs for that set of digits.
@sjzara9 ай бұрын
@@McNerdius Mathematics would not be different in parallel universes. Mathematics is abstract, and not subject to change because of different physics.
@McNerdius9 ай бұрын
@@sjzara Howard, in our universe, is giving the Fibonacci sequence special treatment. The cycles Howard observes in the Fibonacci sequence are not unique to it. In the other universe, the Lucas Numbers replaces the Fibonacci Sequence as top google results for "Golden Ratio" etc, and the Fibonacci Sequence is more obscure. They're that universe's "phi numbers" - as Howard calls them. The digit cycles stuff still applies, but the digits are different. 1,1,2,3,5,8,4,3,7,1,8,9,8,8,7,6,4,1,5,6,2,8,1,9.... becomes 2,1,3,4,7,2,9,2,2,4,6,1,7,8,6,5,2,7,9,7,7,5,3,8....
@BloodPlusPwn9 ай бұрын
I don't always agree with your points or points, but I always respect them. It's really shame MDD has chosen the path they've chosen.
@belterglj9 ай бұрын
I think saying, "you need help" sounds reasonable.
@matthewjohntaylor699 ай бұрын
It was embarrassing. He had no ability or desire to debate.
@mikegalvin48439 ай бұрын
I view this debate as a learning experience. I admit that I have quoted Matt when discussing topics on Atheism, but I learned an important lesson here as well. Once you are certain that your opponent is dishonest (and probably mentally ill), walk away!
@d3molitionm4n189 ай бұрын
You didn't make any mistakes Matt. One can only handle so much and this guy is clearly bonkers. Way to deep down an imaginary rabbit hole and you called him out for it. You did great and I don't believe you need to apologize, however I understand why you would want to. Firm handshake to you, Matt!