Still think old vintage VCRs are better than the more modern ones?
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@Barbarapape Жыл бұрын
These older vcr's were complex as said, and repairing them is a labour of love. Any gear from that era combined complex mechanics with numerous pcb's that ran hot, so dried out capacitors were common. The mechanics require regular tlc, left to dry out sooner or later something jams taking the motor with it. A classic example of older gear not being better, the same goes for tape recorders cassette recorders, and my pet nightmare early laserdisc players. Thankfully the early Philips laservision players were too expensive to sell, trying to realign one will realy learn you to swear!
@elektrokinesis4150 Жыл бұрын
Nissan actually used similar optical encoders inside the distributor of several v6 engines of the late 90s to track the position of the cam shaft, everything was made of metal and they hardly ever failed.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Many cars used optical cam and crank sensors. I had one fail once who h resulted in a dead car out in the middle of nowhere.
@crashbandicoot4everr Жыл бұрын
The large spring-loaded gear on the right-hand side of the front loader is common to breaking. It happened recently on my HR-D120MS. Luckily I had a replacement from a scrap machine of the same type.
@coyote_den Жыл бұрын
You know HD quality has gone too far when I thought I had a fly landing on my laptop screen.
@user-xm6qb5cg4i Жыл бұрын
It's JVC, but it's similar to Toshiba's mechanism.
@ksrele Жыл бұрын
It is similar to some Philips VCR that I have had, but that one was all Sharp inside, all ICs ware Sharp.
@mrjsv4935 Жыл бұрын
My parents had a Finnish ASA branded VHS VCR since the 80's, I think it survived at least to 2006, and most of the time it worked ok, but image quality wasn't very good, it was grainy. Eventually it started eating and damaging tapes, it was serviced at least once, but it didn't last long even after the service. My 2003 Philips VHS VCR is much better, it's smaller, it has on-screen menu, much better image quality and up until recent years, it's been working reliably, and most of the time still does. It just sometimes has a "bad day", malfunctions and flashes fault code "2", but so far it has recovered immediatly simply re-starting it. It has not damaged any tapes yet, which also makes it better, so from my experience, I agree, old VCR's aren't always better. I accidentally recently inserted damaged tape in it and the tape refused to play, I think it jammed the play mechanism, but luckily ejected normally and no damage happened to the VCR, it still plays normally with good tapes even after that bad tape. It was old tape destroyed by that darn old ASA VCR and I hadn't marked it as faulty, doh! Now I did and maybe I should throw it away, but on the other hand, might be good to have it for possible spare parts?
@andrewmusisi7147 Жыл бұрын
i once used photo transistors in a faulty Grundig VS200 VCR, from an optical mouse one of the early ones, if not you can also use that of Canon scan scanner Lide25
@markmarkofkane8167 Жыл бұрын
I was guessing m s before you started. I won't give it away, but was surprised. Very interesting!
@patrickjmorgan Жыл бұрын
What a shame but you gave it the 12volt Vids treatment! Well done.
@jasonthejawman5442 Жыл бұрын
Dave nice repair, betamax between VCR, I remember, the 2 formates
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Beta was better.I always liked betamax. It had better picture and color
@HG80369 Жыл бұрын
That Panasonic PV1545 you fixed a while age, is a similar era, but a much better unit.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
All the old ones were very prone to break down. how do you think so many of us made a living fixing VCRs? Reliability on all of them from the 1980s into the mid-90s was abyssimal. It wasn't just the Hitachi ones with the belts that failed all the time same was at RCA used they all had horrendous problems alignment guides coming loose back tension brakes failing eating tapes. Then there were the composite ICS that were used you know the ones that were encapsulated epoxy we're feeling left right and center. It was the heyday of for a VCR repair and everyone that was in the game made a ton of money fixing them VCR repair is what kept many businesses in business. or what's the reliability got better which they did they got a lot better in the 90s you know when the right plastic mechanisms came out sure there were horror stories of gears and stuff breaking usually when kids shove things into them that weren't supposed to go into VCRs but reliability wise the later generations with their light plastic mechanism and very few moving parts or much better in terms of reliability
@HG80369 Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids Very true. I worked in the service dept. at National Panasonic in Aus, back in the '80s. I think that machine I was referring to was one of their better units. I've got a NV-G16, which used that mech. Hadn't had much work done at all really.
@focus82grothm.84 Жыл бұрын
So agree with you. Old is old and complexity and mechanics didn't help with the age unfortunately. Great video 👍
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Every time I get someone tell me they want to fix their 40-year-old VCR because they were built so much better and so much heavier than the new ones. the reason they were so much heavier was because they had a lot of little metal parts Little mechanical parts leavers and cams and all kinds of other metal parts that were being controlled by guess what? Plastic gears. Guess what happens to metal parts when they sit around for a while? Lubricants dry up turn to glue, then guess what happens to plastic parts that drive those metal parts when they try to operate for the first time in 25 years when the metal movable parts have glued themselves together? It's not going to be the metal it breaks it's going to be the plastic out unobtainium parts. I laughed at so many people disagree when I state that the last generation of VCRs that was made even though most of them were made by funai were the best VCRs made. The reason being is that even though they're all pretty much plastic plastic parts don't rust plastic parts don't seize up yes they can break if you abuse them are stack them on sale on top of a hot amplifier you can run some into some problems however if looked after the plastic is very durable and will last a long time. It doesn't need lubrication the same way that metal parts do and plastic doesn't rust. Many people view these late model VCRs as being cheap because a) they were cheap and b) they are lite. Remember this phrase the reliability of any electronic device is inversely proportional to the number of electrolytic capacitors that contains and the failure mechanical devices is proportional to the number of moving parts it contains. Both say the same thing tomorrow electric credit capacitors in an electronic device the less reliable it's going to be and the more moving parts in the mechanical device is going to increase its time in the service department. The late model VCRs had nipped both of these problems in the butt. they had far fewer electronic components thanks to large scale integration on ICS and they had the mechanical components down to the absolute minimum so fewer parts to break. Even though these parts might not have been as strong as some of the older ones there was still a lot fewer of them to give trouble. If someone was giving away VCRs because I would not buy one but if someone was giving away VCRs and they said to me I've got five VCRs here you can have whichever one you want but you can only pick one and those five VCRs where dated anywhere from the early 80s right up to the last machines off the the line in the 2012, I would pick the newest of any of the machines I wouldn't care whether it was a fun eye or a Daewoo or a Samsung or Panasonic or Toshiba I would pick the last one. The reasons were exactly I stated above fewer electrical parts and fewer mechanical parts plus a modern machine is likely to have a fraction of the hours on the heads then say an old machine that's been in use since the 1980s. When I look around and see people asking hundreds of dollars for 30 and 40-year-old machines I just shake my head. but then I shake my head every time I drive by the local cannabis stores and see the lineup to get in! Actually I laugh at that one because all those people that are buying the legal weed are just helping keep my tax base low with all the taxes they're paying on it.
@crashbandicoot4everr Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids As a vintage VCR collector, I fully understand you and mostly agree with what you said. Although those old top loader tanks are very well-made, they are constantly breaking now. But, I love the mechanical and electronic complexity of those older units and love to tinker with them, adjusting stuff etc, and that's what got me into collecting them, plus the asthetics of the old machines are better in my opinion. I look inside a 2005 "piece of crap Funai" and think of it as a cheap and boring machine with nothing special, but in reality that "piece of crap Funai" is likely going to perform better than my 1979 National Panasonic with woodgrain and piano keys.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
@@crashbandicoot4everr yes I have some vintage units as well. The cheap funai will out perform the old ones and probably still be working 10 years from now. Boring as far as few parts count and not much to tweak but much more reliable
@richarddavey9547 Жыл бұрын
I think this was a FERGUSON 3V53 in the UK .
@crashbandicoot4everr Жыл бұрын
I thought Ferguson used FVxx model numbers after 1985, didn't they?
@glsoterios Жыл бұрын
Okay great hopefully you can fix it and I'll finish watching the video thank you
@zx8401ztv Жыл бұрын
Yep too much illness, if it was a valuable classic then maybe time and money. Ive seen a similar metal strip on top of the deck but never paid any notice of it.
@Jammerk40 Жыл бұрын
Dave do I hear an eagle outside your place? I heard them a few times during this video!
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Yes there's a couple of eagles outside my place they nest in the tree in the neighbor's yard which is fine by me because I don't have to clean up all the crap that they drop into his backyard. Believe me you do not want an eagle's nest in a tree in your backyard because then you don't have a backyard unless you carry an umbrella out with you every time you go outside. What comes out of the back end of an eagle is nasty stuff!
@MajesticBaldEagle96 Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids I myself share a passion for not only old technology, but birds as well, eagles being my favorite. In many of his videos I’ve heard chickadees, cardinals, and house finches in the background. I myself am a collector of VHS, and own over 400 VHS movies, as well as homemade videos, and five vcrs. I also volunteer at the Kiwanis thrift store, in which I test electronics before putting them out for sale. It’s exciting when VCRs come in.
@elektrokinesis4150 Жыл бұрын
the assnine thermal design of that power supply, whoever thought it was a good idea to hotbox a bunch of electrolytic caps like that...
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Lol. And remember this old stuff is better then the modern.
@crashbandicoot4everr Жыл бұрын
At least it's better than the Panasonic VCR power supplies from the same era that cook their caps like grilled Souvlaki pork...
@bujoodmohamed4795 Жыл бұрын
Welcome Thanks for all your useful efforts Can I ask you about the akai-x360D recorder ? It works but has no sound. The head cleaning lamp is blinking. What is the possible cause ? Please help me to solve this problem please... Thank you sir
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Have you cleaned the head? If you put your fingers near the wires where the head plugs into the chassis? If it hums loig back at the head if not look at the playback amp.
@mattcrowther9360 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if trimming the end of the metal plate would work. Reducing the length should prevent it catching on the wire guide, no?
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Hell know it has to go.
@stintus1 Жыл бұрын
Part still available
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
I will be looking it up with my suppliers. I remember back in the day i used to change lots of those sensors. personally I would take any of the late model phone eyes or Panasonic or Sony VCRs over these old ones. Just too many mechanical parts moving around that freeze up and break other plastic parts. I know people will complain about the more modern ones being light having no wait to them but when it comes to VCRs the fewer moving parts you've got the better even if they're plastic. You just have to load them gently no slamming tapes in and trying to fire the tape all the way to the back of the machine. I used to love the old Mitsubishi machines like the hsu 65 and 67 and 82 they were great machines aluminum chassis built like tanks. same with the Sony mechanisms like the R5 and the r1000 and the 767 and the 757 they were good although middle post would seize up on them and break plastic gears if you weren't careful you had to lubricate them.
@elektrokinesis4150 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if some of the same engineers that worked on this deck worked on the dvcam transport you just worked on :p The optical sensors make me wonder
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Well it wasn't a DVCAM, that's a different format. Different heads. It was a professional DV. Professional DV is identical to the consumer format except that it spotted locked audio, meaning the audio clock was locked to the video clock. Consumer DV the audio clock is free running. That was designed in to the format (digital 8 is the same) to discourage their use for anything professional.
@drmindbender8616 Жыл бұрын
Hi yer would you have by any chance the service manual for a JVC XD-Z707 or the Victor XD-Z700 DAT recorder thanks
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
I have no service manuals for anything. I get the prints when i can from hifiengine
@Shadepariah Жыл бұрын
Yeah agreed my JVC DR-MV150B is just much more reliable despite looking like plastic junk.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Plastic doesn't seize up like metal parts it's lighter there's fewer parts in the modern VCR fewer parts make them much more reliable. Yes you have to treat them like they're made out of plastic and not abuse them but my more modern machines from the early 2000s are still working fine the older machines not so much. I will drag out some amendmentsubishi is a game and give them another service because through the years of this use they've all seized up again doesn't matter what you do to them if you don't use them constantly the metal parts just oxidate and rust and stick even when you put oil on them or grease they still freeze up from this use. That's not so much a problem with plastic parts.
@ninaevans4501 Жыл бұрын
Dave, There is a rather nasty copright claim going on on KZfaq at present (please watch gadgetuk164 last video entitled "Opinion Of The Decade". This is an example of how vicious copyright claims can get. View it at your discretion, and if you get time. Also a good example of how anti Patreon certain people can get. Many Thanks. Wayne Brill & Nina Evans 👍
@rutrecords Жыл бұрын
How do I set up getting service from you? Thx
@GaryB007 Жыл бұрын
If you're wondering about the exact age, post the serial number and I'll tell you when it was made.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Some time after Feb 10 1986.
@GaryB007 Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids The serial number can give exact month & year if you're interested.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
@@GaryB007 Doesn't matter to me. It's not my unit. If it was mine it would have already been sold to a "sucker"
@Warren1814 Жыл бұрын
After watching you repair this vcr. Aren't the heads of a vcr like the heads of a DAT recorder? if not they sure look and operate the same.. just asking
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
They work on the same concept helical scan. Was actually developed for a video recorders first and then digital audio tape use the same design with a rotating head to scan tracks at a diagonal angle onto the tape. The difference being video requires 180° wrap so that there is always one head in contact with the tape at all times as it's an analog system and digital audio tape only uses a 90° wrap. This is because with digital audio there's memory so the information can be stored in memory until the head is in position and then it writes that frame of data onto the tape while it's storing data for the next frame. Digital audio tape having half the contact area of a VCR results in much lower head wear and much lower tapewear.
@Warren1814 Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids Oh, oh ok.. I have as others this on other youtube channels and your answer is the only one that makes sense to me. thank you for explaining that. Only a trained eye like yours would have notice that.
@atguru Жыл бұрын
Dave - I've got a Sony CCD-TRV 318... Cleaned the flex cable contacts attempting to resolve an initial problem I had error code C 3122. Now the tape cage will not go back into the camcorder! What do you charge to send the unit to you for repair? I sent you an email (volt address) with some details.
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Contact me by email.
@atguru Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your email - I sent you a response
@glsoterios Жыл бұрын
Contact me I found that part on that on the VCR that you just now repairing the optical sensor thank you
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
I might even have one kicking around.
@glsoterios Жыл бұрын
Okay just want to let you know hopefully you can fix it and I can watch the video
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
@@glsoterios parts needed. Once they are here I will work on it again. I have the green light to proceed.
@machannel8746 Жыл бұрын
I thought you'd be interested to know (maybe you know already...) that the ads in most of your videos I have seen lately have become unbearable. They'll pop up in less than 5 minute intervals a lot of times, plenty times with no option to skip. I can't stand it, one or two at the beginning or end maybe. Maybe even some more in the middle is bearable, but this is torture, I refuse to watch videos like this. Is there any chance you can upload your videos somewhere else of your preference ?
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
Nope sorry this is how i make a living. Uploading videos to sites with no commercials means no income for me. If you don't like commercials then buck up and pay your 10 bucks a month for KZfaq premium or shut the fuck up. I don't control the commercial but that reality. Even Netflix and Amazon if going to the commercial sponsored service. Before asking me to post to free sites ask yourself if you would be willing to go to work for free.
@machannel8746 Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids Ahhh, great, telling viewers to f* off :) But I never asked for you to upload them to free sites, I suggested "somewhere else of your preference". It could be paid... There's also some problems with the 10bucks a month. First I'd be paying for what I don't see from other creators I don't even like. Second, most of it wouldn't go to you. Third, I don't like all your videos, in fact some I don't like at all. But some I really love and watch until the end... Anyway, maybe I'm flagged or something but I've never seen anything like this, it's literally adds in less than 5 minutes, I can tolerate a few but this is too much, I thought you'd be interested to know... Cheers
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
@@machannel8746 when you subscribe to KZfaq premium the money goes to the craters you watch not to the other creators. Videos are tracked exactly the same way they are for regular KZfaq viewers it's just you don't see ads. You are paying for the content that you watch no different than with the advertisers supported videos. Other sites do not pay their creators unless you charge the viewers on a per view basis or you opt in for advertising or you opt in for merchandising where you are selling people something I'm not selling anything. I tried the patreon years ago and put up content specifically for patreon supporters. Out of 125,000 plus subscribers I had fewer than 100 people drawing on patreon and contribute $1 a month. There are no sites that I am aware of that will publish my videos and pay me for the views without either running advertising or requiring the viewers to pay. I tried that as I mentioned with patreon and people do not seem interested in paying for content unless it's porn. If you get offended because I tell you to f off it's because I get tired of the comments that I receive on a regular basis from people bitching and complaining and whining to me about the commercials that KZfaq runs. That has absolutely nothing to do with me and even if my channel was not monetized there would still be commercials run KZfaq is a business KZfaq cost a lot of money to run. The commercials that KZfaq runs pays for the operation of the business. Yes they do pay us for the content 55% of the advertising revenue to be exact. When you subscribe to KZfaq premium the creators are still paid for views and from what I understand it's even slightly higher than the rate that we get from the address of course that depends on how many commercials get run. This time of year commercials are generally higher in count then say in the spring but as a Creator I can't do anything about the commercials and I'm not about to start posting my videos on to other sites where I get no revenue that would make absolutely no sense whatsoever. What you need to understand is that I and other creators do not do this just for fun. Some people come off with the attitude that I should be doing this just to help people. If you understood the amount of time involved in producing these videos maybe you would have a different attitude. I invest on average 40 hours a week sometimes more producing videos. This includes the time repairing products and editing and then dealing with replying to comments. If I come off sounding sarcastic and maybe a little bit rude oh well I have to listen to people bitching and complaining about every little thing. If I called that ghetto blaster I get a blaster I would have to deal with all the people being offended because I called it a ghetto blaster so I thought I would have fun and call it a g blaster or bleep out the word ghetto and then I have to deal with all the nut cases out there that are jumping all over me because I bleeped out the word I did it for fun I had probably 200 comments about bleeping it out I had to delete most of them. and the number of people that bitch and complain about KZfaq's advertising it's just getting to me I have no control over it if you don't like the ads you know the solution chip up your 10 bucks a month or shut up but you don't bitch at me about it or you're going to get told to eff off because I really don't give a shit it's beyond my control and I'm not going to invest any more time uploading to other sites unless there's substantial financial gain in it for me. I've yet to find any sites that will provide anywhere close to what I make from the KZfaq sites that is unless people are willing to pay to watch on other sites. From your attitude you're not willing to pay 10 bucks a month for commercial free KZfaq so I don't very much whether you be willing to pay on other sites as well. since you probably already unsubscribed and you're not going to read this anyway all I can say is don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, see ya.
@machannel8746 Жыл бұрын
@@12voltvids Well, thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy reply and no, I'm not offended, you can tell me to f* off no problem! I guess it stands as a reply to others who have commented the same way I did too (I didn't knew there were some many complaining...). By the way, I didn't unsubscribe, I just never subscribed (I don't use that feature at all...). I simply search for your channel's name from time to time, knowing that some of the stuff will be cool, been doing this for about 10 years. I totally understand the monetary aspect and don't condemn you for it, but I think, knowing that it's youtube doing it without your control, there's a limit to where it becomes too much, you wouldn't watch TV with the same enjoyment if it had ads every 5 minutes... On this aspect I think youtube's ads model is probably the best, they're probably just testing how far they can push... The only thing I remembered that seems to work is kind of like what Dave Jones did with eevblog, I think it's a great site, but yeah, probably even more lot's of work and it's a different model. I would pay on a per video basis if there was a summary of the contents to be able to select it, you can set up a home server or some server somewhere, the problem is that with the videos being "free" on youtube (yeah I know, paid by ads...) few would be willing to do it I guess...
@12voltvids Жыл бұрын
@@machannel8746 there is no site where i can make what i make from KZfaq. For other hosting sites I would have to pay to have content hosted. As to settinging up a server then i am paying by the gb for traffic. Nothing pays as well as KZfaq unless you go down the onlyfans type route. If you are a 19 year a young woman with a smokin body and like performing in front of a camera you will ha e buckets of money. Myself I don't sub to any paid services. I don't have yt premium or Spotify or ant of those other services but both my 20 someyhing kids do. They pay so they don't have to watch commercials. I know about 30% of my viewers also have KZfaq premium as i see the payout in the metrics and about 30% pay to not see ads. If I watched a bunch of KZfaq videos I would too but i don't. I don't have time. I watch the odd channel and i just let the ad play. Yes some are annoying like a music video where they break right into the performence to run a commercial but i understand that's how the creator gets paid so I just watch the ad and move on. On an average day i get about a half dozen people bitching at me about the ads. Then I get the crooks that think they are doing everyone a favour posting my content on other sites which I then have to send those sites take down requests. This is the easy part because since the original is posted on KZfaq that affirms my copyright