Audio Episode 01 - The Curious Case of Ted Lasso
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In our first podcast episode we investigate the hit Apple TV series Ted Lasso. We discuss the ways that season one subverts expected conventions in sports comedies, especially when it comes to race and masculinity. We also take a critical look at some of the areas where the show misses the mark. Two guests join this conversation: professor of literature and culture Felicia Lopez and writer/filmmaker Imran Siddiquee.
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Show credits:
Audio production: Jonathan McIntosh
Intro music: Simon Stålenhag
Outro music: Rick Lopez
@choerim8986 2 жыл бұрын
Something I appreciate about the show a lot is that it's not heteronormative, even with its lack of queer characters. Men and women interact in platonic ways, are emotionally intimate without it turning romantic, become friends with no romantic confusion involved. It's things like these that help me get emotionally involved in the on-screen relationships.
@Odd_Omen 2 жыл бұрын
I love your essays, and I love that you discuss masculinity in a feminist light. Not many places offer that point of view. I hope creating audio videos makes it easier for you to create content, I don’t mind the lack of visuals, in fact, I usually listen to your essays rather than watching them anyway. Amazing work as always! I hope this new style cuts some labor out of your content creating process :)
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. We'll still be making video essays too btw.
@maxscene7 2 жыл бұрын
On the Nate Speech thing, I think its less of a flaw of the show and more of a flaw of the character that they've set up early on and that we're supposed to look back to and see that-- oh, Nate has always been an asshole, he just didn't have enough self confidence to wear it on his sleeve. So it's another one of the show's subversions.
@emmabennet888 2 жыл бұрын
I was SOOO disappointed by Nate's speech in S1, which played as if it was supposed to be this great moment of the team coming together and worse, of Nate's growth; but it felt so icky and regressive after all the ways the show built up these positive male role models. I'm SO glad you covered that on this episode, because I haven't seen it discussed on other platforms. Also Roy's anger being played as positive. "They want to have it both ways." So true; I love Ted Lasso, but this is one of the pitfalls of the series that stands out to me (and not just in regard to the men, but also the women's feminism and other small issues). After watching Nate's character arc in Season 2, I wonder if the writers wanted us to look back on that speech in a more critical light. I'm curious what you and your guest's perspectives are on Nate's arc in Season 2.
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
We're scheduling the recording of our podcast on Season 2 now, so you shouldn't have to wait long to hear our discussion about it.
@emmabennet888 2 жыл бұрын
@@PopCultureDetective Hooray! I look forward to it. I just subscribed to your podcast via Overcast and am excited to dig in to the other episodes. Your videos are the only independent video-essay analysis type content I keep up with on KZfaq because they are above and beyond the quality of any others I have seen. And now a podcast!?! With guests?? It's like Christmas has come again.
@arturcirilo7601 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the point. Like they do not forget what they set up before, so when you look back at nate's behaviour it was overshadow because we thought he was just someone being bullied and belittled, so when Ted comes along and starts to reconigze him we get to see some glimpses of how he's damaged and how he exerts back the toxic behaviour done to him.
@KayeTheDragon 2 жыл бұрын
Re: the comments around 50:00, I got a few issues with that criticism. Sure, there’s value in people of color and trans people being the leaders calling out white men when they need to be called out. But *crucially, it is also men’s job to call each other out.* There’s nothing insidious about one man’s role model being another man. In fact, it’s a great call to action for men to take on that role instead of sitting silently and waiting for the women to lecture, as is so often portrayed. And as you’ll see in seasons 2 and 3, men aren’t the only ones who get to be role models.
@chloeelimam3899 2 жыл бұрын
They did an interview about Roy and his anger in that scene. They talked the line "I'm afraid of what it will do to you if you keep it all for yourself" I think that's the more important take away for Roy. Not that anger is a good thing, but that bottling your emotions up is a bad thing. And of course now we know season 2 Nate was building off of the Nate we saw in that scene. I love this show😁
@haleglace6057 2 жыл бұрын
Feeling a bit of "cake and eat it too"-ness regarding characters having and acting in PCD-value ways-when they do, it's a "pleasant subversion" , but at other times, it's a writing failure that ignores reality. For example, 41-45 mins, it seems like you're miffed the characters aren't racist, or that since they aren't the show should make an explicit point to acknowledge they aren't? In other PCD essay's, it is extolled when characters just "do/be the good thing" and exemplify it without it having to be called out in-world as against the grain (vaguely recalling the Stranger Thing essay). Why is the locker room not being "a [race] hostile place" maligned as "fantasy" and not laudable?
@thevirtualjim 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the video essays as I need something visual to see to be able to pay good attention to most things - its why I don't usually do podcasts, but i like your channel so much that Ill try
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
More video essays are on the way. They just take a LOT longer to make.
@couches5257 2 жыл бұрын
There’s basically three sports movies: underdogs (cool runnings), victory over odds (miracle) and there’s the third kind. They deal with the impact the game has on the player’s and their families. Slapshot is a great example. Ted lasso is a TV show that lives in that space.
@originaozz 2 жыл бұрын
Now I can't wait for your conversation on Season 2 and Nate! I think Ted Lasso is the perfect "gateway show" for boys and men to realize the different approaches on how they can interact with people. It focuses on being a good person and showing respect without being too preachy, but through real moments.
@lenig3012 2 жыл бұрын
When i watched the show, I realised that what I found so compelling about the character is his ability to wanting to form tight connections with people. Ted wants to bond and connect with others. There was no doubt that he is very intelligent when forming relationships and strengthening bonds with others, which is why his team before won so many games. The football team when he first came had no ties with each other and did not understand how to connect with other men. This is why they did not win.
@F00Lsmack 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how much experience you guys have with top tier highly competitive fields, but I can say that anger and frustration is one of the fastest ways you can drill mistakes out of yourself if you do it right. Not to mention it's physical benefits via adrenaline and what not, it's kind of like visualization training. There are drawbacks and other methods to achieve highly competitive results but ultimately (less anger) frustration at least is a core and required component to motivate competitive people at three top end. However, anger in a team environment can manifest badly if it inhibits an understanding between teammates. Conversely, anger can help teammates communicate things they might otherwise have difficulty communicating. I do feel anger, aggression and frustration have uniquely useful roles to play in highly competitive environments, especially in physical directly competitive sports where you are trying to make sure the other guys eat dirt so you can win.
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's the competitive environment that's the problem in that case. Environment like that are rarely necessary and can have negative mental heath impacts. Make sure to take care of yourself.
@fishingpepband7786 2 жыл бұрын
I'd really be curious to hear you discuss positive examples of masculine anger in media. You mentioned that it's not an inherently "negative" emotion and while I get the legitimacy in feeling anger particularly in cases such as facing injustice, I can struggle to see how that can be practically expressed in such that a way that doesn't either in one extreme result in harm to others or in the other suppress the emotion itself or diminish it's validity. On a related note, I'd be curious to hear about if/what examples there are where violence is justified. In self-defense, defense of others, violence by your own initiation, or violence in a fight for justice.
@KH16411 2 жыл бұрын
Just as an example In WandaVision Vision’s anger with Wanda midseason was legitimate without a threat of violence
@6ValkyriE6 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you don't mind me jumping to comment on your question, but I think what a positive representation of masculine anger would look like in media would be for it to be expressed *and* then addressed in a constructive, communicative and mature manner with other characters that have witnessed it (so like, the male character expressing their anger, and then other characters being understanding of that situation and the male character recognizing, after winding down, his mistake). That would contrast well with how masculine anger tends to be represented in media (the destructive-cathartic moment for a male character to show their very narrowly allowed emotional spectrum), giving both space for the expression of emotion while being responsible of the consequences of it, without, at the same time, trying to be patronizing or controlling in the emotional spectrum that men are allowed to show. My two cents!
@annunciataparchesi1832 2 жыл бұрын
At 32:48 you talked about Nate as a South Asian character. But Nate and his story arc were developed before he was cast. He wasn't written as an Asian character, and probably was meant to be much younger than Nick Mohammed,, who initially went in to audition for Higgins.
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Regardless, the finished production is a story about a South Asian character.
@THEWHIPX1 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think being angry is an inherently negative emotion. I think getting angry at the right things is good and normal. So many people have done great things because something that made them angry.
@kanoemontano9217 4 ай бұрын
I LOVE your content!! Please keep posting and sharing!!
@Lazamattaz 2 жыл бұрын
This was such a great discussion of the show, thank you! I had similar feelings about the show wanting to have things both ways (but of course, there are so many positive things about it too), and I felt some of these things were amplified in the second season. I'm looking forward to when you all get to dissect it eventually!
@passiveaggressive6175 2 жыл бұрын
I love this but I miss your KZfaq vlogs. But appreciate that they take way much longer to put together. Huge fan of yours❤️❤️❤️❤️
@lsmc8909 2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, but I was thinking the whole time, “ Stop right now and watch season 2!”
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Working on a podcast about season 2 now
@obs1264 2 жыл бұрын
Omggg I've been waiting on this , been at work and I couldn't wait to watch this
@Sara-rr5ou 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this episode and this format, I'm excited for more episodes!
@fatimaamellouk1686 2 жыл бұрын
Why does your new series not show up on my feed at all?? and i thought you abandoned yt but turns out the platform is just being an a**hole to you. Anyway, I'm sooo excited for this and I'm glad to hear from you again.
@everyrose3225 2 жыл бұрын
Love this format, and so interesting pov about one of my favorite shows
@Spamhard 2 жыл бұрын
I think the one thing I will say about the aggression on the field thing is that it *can* be valuable, but maybe 'aggression' and 'anger' is the wrong way to frame it on the shows behalf. I'm not really sure what the better wording for it would be, perhaps 'determination'? My thoughts come from personal experience of the fact I was a very angry teen with very little outlet for it (especially as a cis girl). In my mid-20s I started weight lifting and realised it was a great outlet for just letting out a lot of pent up physical feelings, and I actually didn't really start properly succeeding in my weight lifting until I really got 'angry' at the weights and attacked each set. For some people that sort of mentality really does bring out the best. However, like I said, I think wording that as anger and aggression is probably incorrect. Roy is angry, but he's also exceptionally determined and I think those two can be misconstrued too often. I don't think encouraging him to approach the game with his old determination and passion is wrong, but I think it would have been better to a) reframe the language, and 2) ensure there's an acknowledgement between pitch and every day life. You can attack the grass and ball with grim determination, but you also have to ensure that same approach isn't then lashed out on players on your team or the other, and also isn't applied outside of the game (aka Roy's anger shown in daily life).
@otilialampman7850 2 жыл бұрын
Your back! Really pissed that youtube didn't notify me and I missed 4 episodes already.
@kloggmonkey 2 жыл бұрын
none of the audio episodes have showed up in my subscriptions. i guess i'm both mad and happy to see i have like four hours of pop culture detective to listen to.
@aruanmello9320 Жыл бұрын
Lovely hear. Thank you for the work!
@lunarmagpie619 2 жыл бұрын
LOVING the new content! Very excited to come back to this once I’ve finished the series
@Liihdeoz 2 жыл бұрын
No idea there was a podcast! Awesome! Hear you on Spotify! 👋
@SJ-dl6uc 6 ай бұрын
from the first moment i saw Nate i knew he was bad news. and that's because he's been written so well and so realistically that i actually knew guys like him back in uni. the ones that go from meek to ruthless, because they've always been ruthless, they just didn't know how to portray it. if Nate wasn't meek no one would've liked him from the beginning.
@Dynamite229915 2 жыл бұрын
Pleased to see these uploads
@hayk3000 2 жыл бұрын
These new vids are not showing up on my subscription feed. Good to see you back
@lighthousecreature2841 2 жыл бұрын
you’re back!!
@AuraSparks 2 жыл бұрын
Love these podcasts thank you for sharing them. Just wanna add that your voice sounds great and is perfect for this, could listen to your cadence and tone all day
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@russellcunningham2781 2 жыл бұрын
Good talk!
@DoctorandtheDoll 2 жыл бұрын
None of these audio episodes showed up in my subscription list... Anyone else have that issue?
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
We didn't send out notification for the audio episodes. Didn't want to overwhelm people with something they didn't subscribe for since video essays will still be the focus of the channel.
@DoctorandtheDoll 2 жыл бұрын
@@PopCultureDetective Oh, ok, that makes sense. Thanks!
@matchablossom3720 2 жыл бұрын
Oooh nice! Subbed the podcast right away!
@pedroluiz8019 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice if you could add the information about the people in the convesation in the description so it is easier to understand who is who. I just started but I'm sure it will be a great conversation. Thanks for the content!
@colonelweird 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel and I've been a subscriber for years, but KZfaq hid these podcast episodes from me until today. I'm looking forward to hearing them all.
@TheAmityElf 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I don't know why I didn't know you'd uploaded again.
@harveyholmes9533 2 жыл бұрын
Generally I liked this podcast but the fact none of the people involved have any real knowledge of football, the premier league or the culture around it becomes quite apparent at times. Namely when discussing Sam and the idea that him not receiving racist abuse from his own teammates and/or staff is fanciful just isn’t reflective of the realities of the league. The idea that a locker room is a hostile environment for real players like Sadie Mané, Wilfred Ndidi or Eduoard Mendy just seems like a completely outdated idea
@DrZaius3141 2 жыл бұрын
Me: "Curious, I haven't seen any PCD videos lately, maybe I've missed some?" This 'video': Posted 3 hours ago.
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
New video essay coming soon
@jazzy45rocks 2 жыл бұрын
I really, really need your thoughts on Season 2. Love this discussion so much
@EliTheGleason 2 жыл бұрын
oh shit, a vid just for me, someone who listens while driving :D
@emmabennet888 2 жыл бұрын
Articulating what I like so much (and find so interesting, from a sociological perspective) about Ted Lasso Season 1...and Sex Education, to an extent. Would love a podcast episode about Sex Education, too
@Rehema97 2 жыл бұрын
Interested to hear your thoughts on the two seasons of mythic quest
@darmokandjalad7786 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great episode! I hope you’ll get Felicia and Imran back on to discuss season 2 one day.
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Very soon yes
@davidsiretmarques3646 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the format, but miss some video of the scenes you talk about. As someone who hasn't seen the show, only listening to the audio makes it more difficult to engage with the content, as I don't really know what's happening in the scene. Anyway, superb content, as per usual. Thanks!!
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, the podcast is just a fun side project. We will still be making long-form video essays :)
@davidsiretmarques3646 2 жыл бұрын
@@PopCultureDetective I know, I know. I was just wondering if you could add the specific scenes you talk about in the podcast to the video. I guess it shouldn't be much more work, but it will indeed be more work, so... do as you want, I'll keep watching and liking your content
@ghourmi 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, can you look into the series of LOKI and Arcane LoL? I would really like to know your insights.
@wren7101 2 жыл бұрын
I missed Pop Culture Detective so much 😭
@Mk-vi5jz 2 жыл бұрын
Why isn't this video showing up in sub feed when I am subscribed?
@sleepingismyaesthetic 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked this discussion and analysis, I'm interested in everyone's take on Nate's arc in season 2
@beckyginger3432 2 жыл бұрын
I live on KZfaq and this didn't appear in my sub box
@Jmcinally94 Жыл бұрын
Things that were played off for humour with Nate were really warning signs when you look back with the benefit of hindsight.
@PopCultureDetective Жыл бұрын
Feels more like the writers correcting an issue in the second season, rather than anything planned. Otherwise there would have been some hints. Usually writers don’t know if they even get a second season until after the first is made and released.
@nestorgodinez3004 2 жыл бұрын
This was a such a missed opportunity to called this episode: El curioso caso de Ted Lasso😞
@delirium341 2 жыл бұрын
k. you convinced me. brb
@cizmekfran 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't this basically a repost considering it's on Spotify for some time already?
@PopCultureDetective 2 жыл бұрын
A bunch of people kept asking for a youtube upload of the podcast so I finally just gave in and did it. This channel will still be mostly for video essays though.
@555ticklemeelmo 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your content and think it is typically very well thought out and researched but your line about racism being especially bad in the premier league rang a bit hollow for me, especially considering that you were clearly unaware that the racial abuse you were referring to was specifically about black players on the English national team, rather than a specific club. While I don't want to underplay the racism displayed in English football culture (especially considering that a key aspect of British racism is that they pat themselves on the back for being slightly less racist than other Europeans), I think it's irresponsible to use the phrase "especially bad." There are tons of examples of games in other leagues being literally canceled because of racist chants, usually literal monkey noise chants, including the game 2 years ago between that same England team and the Bulgarian national team wherein the Bulgarian fans were being so racist the English players refused to play. Furthermore, there are tons of examples of the power structures within FA's not supporting the players being abused, etc. So I think in the future you should do a bit more background research on the surrounding cultures when you speak to real life events. Look to Serie A for instance, I would say they're especially bad considering the broadcasting money associated with their league. The prem, much less so
@diane9812 2 жыл бұрын
Hate sports, love Ted lasso
@RohanKumar-ci9sl Жыл бұрын
One thing I would say is that there is small pieces of racism that you witness, notably at the darts scene where Rupert says that he would "put obisanya on the back line"
@BigMackWitSauce 2 жыл бұрын
"this isn't like saturday night live" well of course it isn't, this show is actually funny
@solfeggietto8306 2 жыл бұрын
Haven't watched this show, but get so tired of, 'we include these characters of colour for obvious reasons, then they are the only characters not afforded real development and story'. A comment for the outro conclusions: it's not that we expect revolutions from media, but rather that the constant re-enforcement of the negative/dangerous - racism, misogyny, militarism - must be countered because media has such reach and impact.
@neoprint3d 2 жыл бұрын
first lol
@About37Hobos 2 жыл бұрын
I think in your discussing regarding race you might be giving the show too little credit. It absolutely has its failings but I think it might be representing the pressure and prejudice players of color face in the sport. The scene in the bar with the darts comes to mind, where Rupert makes a comment about Sam, that he’s going to “put him back on defense where he belongs” the man is kind of everything vile rolled up into one character, so it’s not a stretch to see him as a bigot in that scene, where he views Sam as a piece on a chessboard with a defined place rather than a human with agency, which he doesn’t do for the other players on the team we see, the white ones at least. Overall the criticism is valid but maybe incomplete
@godfreemorals 2 жыл бұрын
I've only just started this but already moved to comment. I really hope that you discuss the difference in the American English pronunciation of 'lasso' and the British English because just hearing you it strikes me as amusing. EDIT: I went and watched the trailer (having never seen this series for similar reasons cited) and noticed some odd language. (1) No one ever says 'tie' in relation to football, it's a draw. (2) 'benching' a player is also never used, players are substituted, subbed, taken off, changed, etc but never any variation of bench. EDITEDIT: Ok ok, I get it now, it's got nothing to do with the UK beyond the initial jokes and is essentially a US romcom for a US audience, which makes it more surprising to me how well it's been received by critics in the UK. You've convinced me... I'm not going to watch it 🤣
@mechtaphloba_ 2 жыл бұрын
It's mind boggling how they spent so much time developing these characters into wholesome people that made the show a calming change of pace while still being funny and interesting, only to completely ruin it in season 2 with those same characters acting in the polar opposite way they should. They didn't change over time, it just starts that way in season 2, as if it was a whole new team of writers that didn't watch season 1 and just made up new characters with the same actors. I hate it.
@graceross4888 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed S1 but S2 was a letdown, let me say I don't like sports, i don't give a damn but for a football show, there barely is any football in it! Like wtf this premise has already been done somewhat better, I never thought I would say this but Club de Cuervos Is everything Ted Lasso wants to be
@giraffelangenek398 2 жыл бұрын
The show’s treatment of Nate to me as a South Asian man felt incredibly icky. Great, here we have another show which portrays a man who looks like me as a desexualized, timid, low status, pitiful and insecure loser. Again. And that for a supposedly “progressive” television series. Even characters who have done objectively worse things than Nate, such as Jamie Tart (who in the first season dominated the dressing room with his bully behavior) and Rebecca (who tried to run an entire football club into the ground, possibly leading to hundreds of job losses and thousands of heartbroken fans), are portrayed with infinitely more sympathy than Nate. I hope the writers have some twist in store for season 3, because if they only turned Nate into a villain as a prop to get people interested in the third season that would just be gross in my opinion. For all the hate Nate receives by the fans of the show, there’s only one reason why Nate turned out the way he does. Not because he’s a toxic person, a creep, an insecure loser, or a pathetic bully. It’s because the *writers* decided to make him that way.
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