Audiophile fuses

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Paul McGowan, PS Audio

Paul McGowan, PS Audio

6 жыл бұрын

Ever heard about an expensive audiophile fuse? Some costing hundreds of dollars for…wait for it…a fricking fuse! Paul explains what they are, how they work, and what his experience with them has been. Have a question for Paul? Go to www.psaudio.com/ask-paul/ or visit our website www.psaudio.com

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@WalterWhite-pr1qs
@WalterWhite-pr1qs 3 жыл бұрын
My amp had a direct button which bypassed the fuse. The sound of my house on fire was glorious 😃
@Sputz3
@Sputz3 2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@TheRealAudioDidact
@TheRealAudioDidact 2 жыл бұрын
Could you almost feel the heat at your back?
@brave1671
@brave1671 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@carrizzle9586
@carrizzle9586 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 Idk why this comment was so funny. Maybe it's the fact that the engineers went through all the trouble to put in a fuse and then button bypass it. Or the exquisite sound of the house fire. 😆
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Жыл бұрын
Sorry, that direct button doesn't bypass a fuse.
@ivorproblem1332
@ivorproblem1332 5 жыл бұрын
One reason is the fuse wire is made from silver or gold, the end caps will be made from something better and the solder will be higher quality so you get lower impedance. We upgrade cd players and dacs etc and years ago we were upgrading a Marantz CD63 KI and one of the issues these have is a 4v dc drop across the fuses when it reads the cd. A customer sent in a set of up-rated fuses to replace the standard ones. The volt drop was now only 1.5v across them. Sound wise the player had more depth, bass extended lower and the upper treble became less splashy.
@ivorproblem1332
@ivorproblem1332 5 жыл бұрын
@@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox Hi Mij. Over the years we have fitted many fuses supplied by our customers, the most popular are Synergistic Research. They do many versions. The most cost effective way though is to actually bypass the fuses with fuses that trip and reset. They have very low impedance as they are essentially a switch rather than a thin bit of wire. In yours there are 2x 630mA maybe 1A after an upgrade.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@fireziro
@fireziro 2 жыл бұрын
fuse impedance lol
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
4v across the fuse? come on now, so what was its resistance? was you using a chinkychong meter?
@tomgray6093
@tomgray6093 6 ай бұрын
At least the OP wasn’t scared to try the replacement fuses….😊
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Paul! You have discovered new physics! Using just your ears! Your Nobel Prize is in the mail.
@sc51153826
@sc51153826 6 жыл бұрын
Dear Paul, I admire you for your honest opinions, also the new iPhone makes you looks a bit younger and healthier👍🏻! Great video!
@markhunstone2747
@markhunstone2747 4 жыл бұрын
Apart from the excellent advise as always, loved the view at the end!
@FungedeBagre
@FungedeBagre 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Willing to try them.
@tomgray6093
@tomgray6093 6 ай бұрын
There you go, someone who isn’t afraid to give something a try…👍
@russellsackett4319
@russellsackett4319 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea. I have a blown fuse (I think) due to my kids from 25 or so years ago, and I'm trying to get an old AV33 cranked up again. I was told its probably a fuse. Now I know there could be different options that might have it sounding better.
@Elecifun
@Elecifun Жыл бұрын
I'm watching this video because yesterday I was playing with a live, music player, class A tube pre amp and power amp speaker setup. Moving around the loose input cable I got big bad noises, magic smoke from power amp output transistor, left channel, negative rail and a dead woofer and very poorly tweeter. No idea yet what the crossover is like but inside the box smells over cooked. My fault as I built all but the speakers and music player on my bench and didn't think about rail fuses (did think but ignored) or speaker protection. Apart to get protected, have you any product, fuse advice you could offer? PS. I think the sand filled fuses you speak of are like the Busman's in my DMM's. They help stop blasts across the circuits they protect.
@SamiyuruSenarathna
@SamiyuruSenarathna 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I am not gonna say fuses make a difference or not because I do not know. But, since you are using these fuses and cables and things like that to improve your products, isn't it a good idea to study them and find answers to these how and why questions? Don't you think finding answers to these will provide an additional support for product development as well as to convince people?
@Hal9000Comp
@Hal9000Comp 5 жыл бұрын
Samiyuru Senarathne well some things in audio we have not been able to explain, test or measure why these tweets work. Same reason you can measure why any component sounds different or better than another. Measurements and specifications tell you little to nothing about how something sounds. You simply have to listen
@daleromney6062
@daleromney6062 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hal9000Comp BS
@DrTune
@DrTune 4 жыл бұрын
@@daleromney6062 "Measurements and specifications tell you little to nothing about how something sounds" - indeed, measuring things is such a pointless waste of time when you could simply believe what the salesman tells you.
@daleromney6062
@daleromney6062 4 жыл бұрын
@@DrTune I am saying that it is BS to say we don't know how to measure or explain why things sound the way they do. We understand audio, and audio testing probably better than almost any other thing we can measure and quantify. Those who say things like we have not be able to test or measure why things work or don't work are just coming up with excuses to not measure things because it contradicts their belief system and their cognitive bias. So yeah, I like your sarcasm.
@matteiffert4757
@matteiffert4757 4 жыл бұрын
@@daleromney6062 How come, then, we cannot predicate how something sounds if we measure first? Conversely, why don't measurements correspond with what we hear?
@RealHIFIHelp
@RealHIFIHelp 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting discussion.
@BreederUK
@BreederUK 3 жыл бұрын
What next audiophile grade air shipped from the Swiss Alps?
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 3 жыл бұрын
Ja, it zimply zounds better, ja.
@8lec_R
@8lec_R 3 жыл бұрын
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 lmaoooo
@elche6730
@elche6730 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
Those swiss fart a lot.
@FlipCoder
@FlipCoder 6 жыл бұрын
If you take a green pen and draw all over the walls it helps. I did it and was blown away at the difference. I don't know if it impacts audio quality but it definitely added a lot of color
@JessHull
@JessHull 5 жыл бұрын
the underrated comment of all time
@8lec_R
@8lec_R 3 жыл бұрын
Hehehhwwhwhhwhwhwwhahhahahahhahhaha. Ok this is great
@DavidBerquist334
@DavidBerquist334 4 жыл бұрын
Many CD players and cassette decks don't have a fuse in it so I put one in the AC primary according to what it draws I showed it to a authorized service center they said I did good job is that a good idea
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
You draw more current during start up, so they should be slow blow, and you might have to over-rate them by up to as much as 5x depending on the inductive kick from the transformer and associated circuits.
@chrisdee5032
@chrisdee5032 4 жыл бұрын
I am replacing a fuse in a guitar amplifier. It is supposed to be a T500maL. The fuse I've removed says T500E. Is this essentially the same fuse, I can't find any info about T500E online. Thanks
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
Easy one this P=I^2 * R So I=sqrt(P/R) where P is the power of your amp and R is the speaker impedence, if fuse is on the transformer input, it will be a slow blow, fast blow after the bride rectifier.
@Gutarasiuk
@Gutarasiuk 2 жыл бұрын
Question... Fast blow fuse should be in the power amp and Slow Blow fuse should go in the Receiver / DAC ?? Or the other way around?
@ChrisMag100
@ChrisMag100 2 жыл бұрын
I checked the specification for all of my components tonight. My amp has 9 fuses, 5 20A fuses and 4 1A fuses. My phono stage has 2 1A fuses, DAC has a single 1A fuse, preamp is also 1A. Every fuse in my gear is slow-blow. I received a 1A 5x20mm 250v silver/gold fuse from Audio Tuning today. Put in my Mola Mola DAC. It absolutely changed the sound and in my system, for the better. Bear in mind that my setup is $70k worth of gear. $50 for a fuse on a $13k dac is pennies.
@anthonycyr9657
@anthonycyr9657 2 жыл бұрын
I tried the hifi supreme fuse in my yamaha and in my opinion it sounded clearer and more dynamic..
@JeanKatana
@JeanKatana 6 жыл бұрын
Is it AHP maybe??
@joshua43214
@joshua43214 6 жыл бұрын
I was cringing when I clicked play, but the comment section made it all worthwhile :)
@dhpbear2
@dhpbear2 6 жыл бұрын
3:40 - Only one solution - use larger wire! Why blow a perfectly good fuse? :)
@freone111
@freone111 4 жыл бұрын
Changing fuses really do change sound. Better or worse is not absolute. We have done this with amplifier fuses several times. Nobody can explain why this is so. Its the same as 2 speakers with same graph but different sound.
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
Its the old cop out "no one knows why", the two speakers analogy is false, because one graph doesnt compare, you also need phase alignment, transient response and so on. But cables, thats an area well studied and we know what people can or cannot hear from years of research, no one can detect the difference between a 1cm piece of wire - provably mathematically. Look up the resistance of a typical fuse, do a db calculation compared to the 4R/8R driver, its well beyond the PROVABLE threshold of hearing from CONTROLLED listening experiments. Of course a guy selling these fuses will pull the wool over your eyes, bull baffles brains.
@freone111
@freone111 Жыл бұрын
@@engjds I dont sell fuses. I tried it.
@williamlau7179
@williamlau7179 4 жыл бұрын
A German friend of Paul's came along and "demonstrated" these two professionals indeed "heard" improvements of sounds with added clarity. That is the point. Paul is a intelligent person and the German will not risking to be a fool when not confident. I guess haters are upset as these fuses are indeed very expensive relatively. If only about 20 dollars, I will be happy to use and then many of us either an experienced believers or disbelievers. Do we have real hi-fi systems that are sensitive to tell the difference. Many of us have trained eyes and many don't.
@bachglocke3716
@bachglocke3716 Ай бұрын
Und viele haben geschulten Verstand und benutzen diesen, andere habnen keinen Verstand und glauben allen möglichen Quatsch so wie Ihr Fuse-Fans !
@thomashoffmann9646
@thomashoffmann9646 4 жыл бұрын
If this things make difference, there must be an electrical change.. Why not investigate ?
@thecarman3693
@thecarman3693 2 жыл бұрын
Is there an electrical change/difference between two 60W incandescent light bulbs with different color temperatures?
@guilhermedealmeida2299
@guilhermedealmeida2299 3 ай бұрын
Yes. It is. The filaments run at different temperatures. And can be done with different material/ alloys.That can be adjusted by lenght and cross sestion area.
@Channel939393
@Channel939393 5 жыл бұрын
I was a skeptic until I tried one of the audiophile fuses on my digital to digital converter between my computer and my dac. It was less than $50 and it absolutely changed the sound. And it wasn't a subtle difference.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
Since it wasn't subtle measure it and publish it. You will win a Nobel Prize.
@leonardtristan6873
@leonardtristan6873 3 жыл бұрын
bhoge2000 we’re not scientists but the basics are quite understandable, everything makes the sound worse, degrades it. People ask how can a fuse make the sound better? You have to think : it makes it less bad. A fuse is a good place for distortion and it’s a piece of the electrical path that isn’t shielded so a good place for EMI and RF to enter. There are more advanced notions that I don’t bother trying to understand because it’s not my field. I would suggest you stop being passive-agressive on the comment section and try a fuse for yourself.
@Channel939393
@Channel939393 3 жыл бұрын
@@bhoge2000 Ok, from a scientific perspective then, you seem to be saying that a component that is introduced into a signal path that is built with different physical materials than the component it is replacing cannot degrade sound in a different manner. I'm not a scientist but it doesn't seem logical. In everyday life the sounds we hear are changed by any number of things that have physical properties. For example, covering a doorway with a sheet degrades sound in a different way that closing the door would because of the physical properties of the sheet (cotton) vs the door (wood). So by not being subtle, I mean I immediately heard a difference. Someone else may consider the difference to be subtle. I was a skeptic. I had no predisposition to believe it would make a difference. I happened to have used fuse #1 for hundreds of hours and when I switched it out to fuse #2 I immediately heard a difference in the tonal characteristics of the sound.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 3 жыл бұрын
@@Channel939393 Any difference you can hear, is a difference you can measure. Paul's extraordinary claim that you can hear the difference between two perfectly good fuses, requires extraordinary evidence. A functioning fuse in good condition will not measurably distort a signal no matter what it is made of.
@johnwhite2576
@johnwhite2576 3 жыл бұрын
What brand fuses do you use in PS products Paul ?
@philholding6905
@philholding6905 3 жыл бұрын
Perception is everything
@ethernetsoundoff7257
@ethernetsoundoff7257 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to see you do any of this truly blinded. The easiest way is to just temporarily setup two DAC's one with and another without esoteric fuses. Using SoundMix in the Windows Control Panel to route the audio to both DAC's at the same time. Set everything to WASAPI exclusive mode and lets see how listeners do over a pair of identical head phones. 15 rounds and the headphone jacks could experience a potential swap where the listener doesn't see it.
@Adriana21709
@Adriana21709 6 жыл бұрын
Ethernet Soundoff So you are telling an electrical engineer who builds and designs amplifiers for a living how to do a blind test? You really don’t think he knows how to do one?
@poserwanabe
@poserwanabe 5 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you in advance the results.... 50%..... same as flipping a coin 😂😆 🤣
@dornauge1995
@dornauge1995 4 ай бұрын
@@poserwanabe this doesnt proof that we are bad at hearing a DIFFERENCE .. it just means that we are bad at guessing and thats why blind tests are flawed
@bachglocke3716
@bachglocke3716 Ай бұрын
@@dornauge1995 Hört Ihr auch Unterschiede zwischen einer temperierten und einer mitteltönigen Stimmung ? Ich höre MUSIK - nicht Unterschiede !
@bachglocke3716
@bachglocke3716 Ай бұрын
@@Adriana21709 Es gibt auch unter Elektroingenieueren Gauner und Scharlatane die ihre Ware absetzen wollen ! Und es gibt genug Idioten die diesen Schwachsinn dann auch noch kaufen !
@kimchee94112
@kimchee94112 6 жыл бұрын
Audiophile cables now we have audiophile fuses, what do you know? Next maybe audiophile terminal blocks, diodes, transistors, integrated circuits even audiophile house paint. BTW the sand inside the fuse is to extinquish the arc when it blows.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
I love audiophile house paint! But look, don't just halfass the job by only painting the interior. You have to use the exterior stuff too!
@guilhermedealmeida2299
@guilhermedealmeida2299 3 ай бұрын
It seems nobody wants to really mesure the resistence of the fuse. It is certainly a low value and a normal multimeter is useless in that case (to much error because the measured resistence is similar or lower than the multimeter proof cables in "resistence mode"). But with a Kelvin bridge it is easy to measure resistence values as low as 0.005 ohms. It is a 4 wire measurement and the multimeter is used in mV range. As long as the measured resistence is connected to a constant current source, and the multimeter is used as a millivoltmeter, the resistence of the multimeter proof wires no longer matters. Using ohm's low, and knowing the current in the fuse in the measuring procedure (I) and the voltage across fuse (U), so R=U/I. Off course, in that measurement, the fuse is on the working table, not in the circuit of the amplifier or other apparatus. This way, we can compare the resistence of a normal fuse and an "audiophile boutique fuse". May be this can give very interesting results... and useful conclusions. Are the fuse contacts clean? I mean may be the old fuse rested a very long time inserted. May be some oxidation and abnormal contact resistence ocurred. Removing the old fuse and inserting the new fuse can produce a small friction and cleaning action that can help to remove oxides and give lower contact resistence. And what about measuring the voltage drop across the normal fuse (in circuit working)? And comparing it with the voltage drop across the audiophile 'boutique' fuse also in the working circuit? This is cannot be 'considered' a mistery 'miracle'...
@JuanLega
@JuanLega 4 жыл бұрын
I was one of those non believers in fuses making a difference, until I tried it for myself. Any electrical component in a circuit can change its function. Go out there and buy 3 resistors of the same value but made of different materials and manufacturing process, now replace a resistor in a critical area of your amplifier with the ones you adquired. I'm sure you'll hear a difference. Now keep in mind this differences are not like night and day difference, but subtle differences. The quality of the components in an audio circuit "and others" is as important as the circuit design. Plenty of audio engineers can validate that.
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 4 жыл бұрын
Juan. Lega I’ve made a switch that allows me to plug in components bread board style, and switch between them in any particular circuit with different IO’s. Your idea is very obviously true if you’ve got one of these things.
@marianneoelund2940
@marianneoelund2940 4 жыл бұрын
You picked a poor example. Resistor differences aren't audible until they start to go noisy or fail, or drift in value where tolerances are critical such as differential amplifiers for balanced inputs (CMRR depends on resistor accuracy). Capacitors that exhibit nonlinearities are much more significant, such as electrolytics and high-density ceramic types. Inductors with iron cores can also go quite nonlinear. But fuses in the main power input to a component? No. You should be much more concerned about the quality of the fuse *holders,* which is often atrocious. It's shocking how poorly some of them are made.
@mpoerot8013
@mpoerot8013 3 жыл бұрын
wow, wow, wow, wait, why are you comparing a goddamn fuse with placing a random resistor on the circuit? that doesn't even make sense. or you can go the cheapest way, just replace the fuse with a thick copper wire. and there you go, no friction.
@JuanLega
@JuanLega 3 жыл бұрын
@G Guest Everything is measurable, whether we currently have the test equipment to do it or not is another story.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 3 жыл бұрын
You didn't really make the point you thought you were making. A fuse isn't even in the audio path. You might as well replace ANY SINGLE COMPONENT AT RANDOM, and marvel at how it sounds better. The thing is, fuses are easiest to replace (by design, obviously). I dare you. Pick any part at random and replace it. It zimply zounds better, no?
@wric01
@wric01 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds spectacular my dac with a Chinese newer fuses silver core plus nano wires and gold plated silver plated end caps. 20$ that is no bullshit nor crazy expensive.
@bryfar6178
@bryfar6178 2 жыл бұрын
Did you buy these fuses or did they come with the dac? If bought, where did you order them from? Ive searched dozens of sites. Cannot find 4 Amp fast blow 6.3x32mm. Either out of stock or over $75 ea. Thanks!
@kevinroosa1315
@kevinroosa1315 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if these specialty fuses are a slow-blow type with a non-inductive coil arrangement. Then, the perceived improvement in clarity could just be attributed to not having a traditional spiral-wound filament that could be inducing noise back into the power supply from the transformer. I suppose one way to test it would be to grab a traditional slow-blow fuse and put it in-line with the mains in outside of the chassis, and temporarily short the internal fuse with a jumper.
@ethernetsoundoff7257
@ethernetsoundoff7257 6 жыл бұрын
Or, temporarily, just wire wrap the fuse terminals and test out. All the caveats apply doing it this way. While possible your amp could take this exact moment to go sideways on you and start drawing too much current w/o a protection device, highly improbable.
@GodfreyMann
@GodfreyMann 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect the reason why fuses work is because different metallurgical properties will affect sound quality. The leading researcher in this area is probably Peter Qvortrup, founder of Audio Note UK. I suggest watching some interviews with him in which he often explains his research.
@michaelmonaghan8026
@michaelmonaghan8026 2 жыл бұрын
Boring..... How much
@GodfreyMann
@GodfreyMann 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmonaghan8026 how much…?
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
I have a masters degree in electronics and to me its provable snakeoil that only requires ohms law and a glance at awg charts, but logic doesnt count here when marketing steps in and people are gullible.
@themafia3119
@themafia3119 21 күн бұрын
I just spent £4200 on a single fuse. I can't hear any difference at all!!! I've changed it 6 times now. Sounds exactly the same! Snake oil?
@che1602
@che1602 6 жыл бұрын
So, are these audiophile fuses just HRC fuses? Could the sand counteract some mechanical vibration? I'm highly sceptical still.
@budkine9245
@budkine9245 2 жыл бұрын
Synergistic Research PURPLE Quantum Fuses and the new ''King'' Audio Magic Masterpiece M-1 Beeswax Fuse are both outstanding audiophile fuses and are like upgrading to a new component at a reasonable price. Highly recommend.
@edwardbit8225
@edwardbit8225 Жыл бұрын
shite..
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
LOL beeswax), tell me why that is the ideal material for a fuse?
@user-zo2ev2hj4d
@user-zo2ev2hj4d 3 ай бұрын
I got an orange version and immediately noticed an upgrade in sound when used in my DDC.
@EthanWiner
@EthanWiner 2 жыл бұрын
Sheesh Paul! A fast blow fuse has either a wire or a fatter blade. A slow blow has a coil of some sort.
@juliaset751
@juliaset751 6 жыл бұрын
It has always amazed me that you may have a 9 Ga. power cable going into your amp and it all goes through a 40 Ga. fuse wire. Some alternative needs to be found. Some innovative company like PS Audio needs to step up.
@BRATWURST1
@BRATWURST1 4 жыл бұрын
There is a solution to the fuse problem and that is to replace the fuse and mains switch with a integrated thermal circuit breaker mains switch.The sound of fuses is most likely caused by them heating up,causing a rise in resistance and current limiting maybe?
@Cypeq
@Cypeq 4 жыл бұрын
because power cables are universal and are designed to carry much bigger loads than what your audio hardware needs. Fuse has to matched well to expected power draw, and thicker cable is not necessary or better, thin fuse protects the device by overheating when power goes over design limit.
@juliaset751
@juliaset751 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cypeq Thanks, that’s my point exactly. It seems like there should be a device not directly in the current path (clamp ammeter) that can monitor current draw and shut things down instead of a thin wire that melts if too much current goes through it. A fuse seems like a horse and buggy solution in the age of Tesla.
@Cypeq
@Cypeq 4 жыл бұрын
@@juliaset751 they are simple, fast and very effective. I don't see why having great simple solution is a bad thing. There's no need to over-engineer stuff. Don't try to fix what's not broken. You put circuit breakers in devices which have a reasonable chance to fail, which need to go back to operation asap. Makes them cheap in the long run. But your audio system will have well known stable power draw and don't need anything special. Fuse is fastest and more reliable and small they are superior solution to protect expensive equipment.
@C--A
@C--A 4 жыл бұрын
@@juliaset751 Electrical products sold in most countries legally have to come with a fuse inside the device and power plug. Manufacturers can't just sell electrical products without fuses or a alternative as they would get hit with massive fines and also taken to court by lots of customers!
@GeneratorOfDarkness
@GeneratorOfDarkness 6 жыл бұрын
Real audiophile action - remove fuses!
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 5 жыл бұрын
So instead of everyone acting like a dick, did anyone actually try the fuse thing to see if it worked? I know people who claim it absolutely makes a difference. Havn't tried it myself, so I won't say one way or another.
@clemmtec9506
@clemmtec9506 5 жыл бұрын
That is correct.
@harpalchauhan428
@harpalchauhan428 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to bought one internal fuse took lid off my denon x4000 and put lid back on after seeing i need another 10+ more
@SpyderSilverweb
@SpyderSilverweb 6 жыл бұрын
Busman KTK 600 volt ceramic body sand filled silver element fuses. designed for lighting . CJ used them for plate fuses in premier amps . Not the over priced tuned ones . Different fuse holder lower cost fuse.
@jctedsap
@jctedsap 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of like a fuse for a microwave but smaller.
@brownj2
@brownj2 4 жыл бұрын
I would only believe fuse matters if the fuse you are comparing to is highly corroded or is being used in a a power supply that is poorly filtered. A suspended wired coil that is being jiggled by vibration can affect the signal it passes but that should get rectified and filtered from the power supply output if designed properly.
@craigellsworth3952
@craigellsworth3952 Жыл бұрын
Simply unplug the fuses and plug them back in.
@gilbertrios5283
@gilbertrios5283 6 жыл бұрын
This tweak is hard to accept. A fuse by any other name is a fuse. I can't think of anyway that a fuse can improve the sound of any audio component... But having said that, I haven't tried it so not speaking from experience, just what I know about fuses, which is a "go no go" device.
@DavidBrown-fi8vr
@DavidBrown-fi8vr 6 жыл бұрын
If a protection device changes the sound, perhaps you need a better amp. You don't have fuses in the speaker output do you?
@staLkerhu
@staLkerhu 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, sure, there is a reason why you do not need it in a speaker...................................................
@alberto1step
@alberto1step Жыл бұрын
This German chap must be a good friend of yours then 😉 😆
@MrSimplesimon007
@MrSimplesimon007 Жыл бұрын
I use expensive fuses, when I replaced them, I did the 4 main plug fuses in the furutech rhodium plugs, but the difference wasn't anything, what made the difference was replacing the internal glass fuses, especially in my sacd player, this made a big difference, I wasn't imagining it, 5 of us all agreed on this, the interconnect cables are pure silver and balanced on the sacd, I am a qualified electrical engineer, and electronics engineer, my colleagues in this area say its all nonsense, but they don't own expensive systems or even experiment with this phenomenon, they go on what they were taught so are blind to the science behind this, in my opinion, changing the fuses in the mains furutech plugs made no difference, it was the internal fuses within the components that made a difference, and it was immediate, and a night and day one, I hope this helps you, also I don't want to get into slanging match over this so no insults please.
@OutlierAudio23
@OutlierAudio23 Жыл бұрын
But NO ONE explains why or how it actually works to make things sound better. Miles of copper and you add a ¾" piece of whatever material and the sound improves??? how?
@MrSimplesimon007
@MrSimplesimon007 Жыл бұрын
@@OutlierAudio23 well, I'm a qualified electrical engineer, you can have your miles of copper, but those cheap and nasty glass fuse, or 6 of in my marantz sa7s1, a delicate signal has to pass through them and if you replace them with silver ones, it makes a big difference, it's shocking that such expensive equipment put cheap and nasty fuses in the signal path, I hope this helps.
@lawabidingcitizen5153
@lawabidingcitizen5153 10 ай бұрын
@@MrSimplesimon007 Can you elaborate on the why and how and not just "sounds better" please
@1sostatic
@1sostatic 3 жыл бұрын
Did this so called fuse, perform its primary purpose? .... protection.
@jabbejokker
@jabbejokker 4 ай бұрын
When the Audiophile resurgence ends because of all the BS sales people pedle I will not shed a tear.
@andyboa8107
@andyboa8107 5 жыл бұрын
From "Designing Audio Power Amplifiers" by Bob Cordell, McGraw Hill, (2011) "Fuse Distortion" As expected, fuse distortion increases dramatically at low frequencies. Signal voltage across the fuse was 250 mV. Amplifier THD (due to the fuse) is calculated by normalizing the fuse distortion voltage to the amplifier output voltage. The resulting amplifier distortion is shown in Figure 13.4b. Amplifier distortion is lower than fuse distortion by a factor of 64 because of the small voltage across the fuse compared to the total signal voltage. At 20 Hz, amplifier distortion due to the fuse is calculated to be 0.0033%. P.S. So this is an effect of a standard 2A-3A fuse. Distortions at low frequencies are the least hearable. Obviously the audiophile fuse will also cause certain amount of distortion.
@sswpp8908
@sswpp8908 4 жыл бұрын
I found that text online and read the section about fuse distortion. The test method involved placing a fuse in series with an 8 ohm load driven by a power amplifier. I have never heard of placing a fuse in line with the amplified signal to a speaker, and I'm not sure for what reason this might be designed (speaker protection?). Even then the data in this text only shows a 0.0033% THD effect which probably wouldn't be noticeable for casual listening. The most commonly used implementation for a fuse is in line with the AC mains to the power supply for the unit. Here the effect of a fuse will be much less significant than in the audio signal path. Regulators in the power supply compensate for both variations in current demands from the DC circuitry as well as suppress junk from the AC supply. So, if something funny is going on with the with the fuse's temperature varying (and with that resistance variations) in response to the audio load, the power supply will have a high capacity to reject those variations from influencing the audio signal. I really find it hard to believe that an AC mains fuse could potentially offer any improvement to any audio equipment.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
@@sswpp8908 yeah I think he is talking about speaker input fuses. Very rare and arguably pointless.
@mpoerot8013
@mpoerot8013 3 жыл бұрын
@@bhoge2000 yeah stop listening a these audio snake oil salesmen and enjoy your music
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
So you are telling me that fuse has a resistance of 125 mR. for a 1cm length of wire, sounds like BS to me, that would be at most in uR.
@ThinkingBetter
@ThinkingBetter 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, that’s a bummer. A fuse works as a resistor with a tiny resistance. In any good amplifier the tiny mains fuse voltage drop will have no impact on the audio fidelity as the music dynamic power load is secured through capacitors. Yes, a really poorly designed amplifier power supply with inadequate capacitors and with a poor high resistance fuse on the mains side could have problems. Try 2 ohms 20W resistor in series with mains switched on/off (AB testing of a very high resistor = horribly bad fuse or long cable). If you can hear the difference in a genuine blind test, add capacitors on the DC side until the on/off switching yields no difference. Let me know how that method of AB testing goes.
@HareDeLune
@HareDeLune 6 жыл бұрын
ThinkingBetter He didn't say it was an amplifier, he said it was a DAC.
@ThinkingBetter
@ThinkingBetter 6 жыл бұрын
Well, a fuse in a DAC is even less critical as the current going through the power supply is quite constant allowing capacitors to maintain a very low ripple. A fuse is nothing more than a tiny resistor that can break under a certain load of current going through it. If someone sincerely think a fuse has an impact, try this: Measure the resistance through the fuse. Find a resistor with 10 times the resistance and put it in series with the fuse. Add a switch across the resistor that can short it. Then do a blind test with that switch in on/off and ask people if they can hear the difference. If people can't judge when the switch is on or off, rest assured that the actual fuse has zero impact on the audio fidelity, as you just demonstrated that even 10 fuses in series wouldn't make a difference. In actuality, if the sound quality in a DAC deteriorates with such relatively tiny resistance, it will also do it due to the cabling throughout your house and noise on the power lines. The fix is not a better fuse but to fix the power supply in the DAC to better isolate the primary side of the power supply (where power comes in) from the Vcc (DC voltage to the DAC) e.g. capacitors across the DC. If anyone disagrees, please explain in engineering terms and not religious terms.
@poserwanabe
@poserwanabe 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkingBetter I agree 💯, but I'm an engineer, not a Priest.
@junkyard3924
@junkyard3924 4 жыл бұрын
ThinkingBetter Why don’t you try it yourself? It’s not even difficult just pop different fuses in your system and A/B it
@ThinkingBetter
@ThinkingBetter 4 жыл бұрын
Junk Yard There are things not worth trying cause you understand it well enough.
@davegills3556
@davegills3556 11 ай бұрын
Paul probably had it in backwards.
@realworldaudio
@realworldaudio 3 жыл бұрын
The skepticism stems from the fact that the fuse has little resistance. However, it's not just the resistance that counts, but the effect of the conductor on aligning the electron stream. You do not need a leap of faith, just move on from Newtonian era outdated physics to XXth century electrodynamics. Of course, do not expect to hear the effect of a fuse in a system that rivals Bose in transparency. You need to fix the big things before the small things (such as fuse) show differences. Thank you Paul for sharing! Me, and dozens of my friends also hear the difference that fuse makes, it is very obvious to any listener with a pair of ears using a well put together audio system - also, fuse orientation makes a difference as well... but do not expect it to transform your cherished basement bargain system from the 70s - there, you will not hear any change at all. Analogy: if you put a pinch of salt into a salty soup, you will not notice a difference. Put it in a cup of tea, and it suddenly makes a big difference.
@MrMarantzman
@MrMarantzman 6 жыл бұрын
The picture and sound on today's video looked great...
@Hal9000Comp
@Hal9000Comp 5 жыл бұрын
Well said. Im sure it frustrates those skeptics to no end lol i love it. Between the audio cables, power cords, fuses, vinyl records, the audio skeptics must be loosing their hair lol.
@HiFiInsider
@HiFiInsider 6 жыл бұрын
nice! #crispy :)
@StukaUK
@StukaUK 4 жыл бұрын
Measure the benefit at the DC side of the transformers
@predragbalorda
@predragbalorda 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to tell your german friend to uograde the fuses in the distribution panel though..
@oldbutrocking
@oldbutrocking 6 жыл бұрын
I was so impressed with Paul's videos....until this. OMG, it doesn't take an engineer to know this is pure bunk
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 2 жыл бұрын
Expectation bias, anyone?
@I967
@I967 2 жыл бұрын
Will you be making a video on this delusion? Your cheap turntable videos are the best on YT.
@mpoerot8013
@mpoerot8013 3 жыл бұрын
those fuses.. aren't even on the audio path................................................... oh when the current is over the fuse rating, the fuse blown. simple. or let's just do it the other way, change the fuse with a short piece of 2.5mm NYM cable and hear the amazing sound difference!
@stevenkoski228
@stevenkoski228 10 ай бұрын
I own a highly-resolving system, & HiFi quality fuses do matter! I replaced a burned-in $150 SR Black fuse, with an Audio Magic M-1 Beeswax fuse $300😳. The sound opened up substantially, it was more solid, dynamic, razor-sharp accuracy, greater clarity & transparency, greater expansive soundstage, rock-solid 3D placement of the musicians. The improvements I was hearing, had me totally stunned, shaking my head in joyous disbelief. It was the best upgrade I’ve ever experienced for the money spent. Hearing IS believing! 1 fact regarding HiFi fuses is clear; There are things we can measure but can’t hear, but also things we can hear but can’t measure😎.
@guilhermedealmeida2299
@guilhermedealmeida2299 3 ай бұрын
It seems nobody wants to really mesure the resistence of the fuse. It is certainly a low value and a normal multimeter is useless in that case (to much error because the measured resistence is similar or lower than the multimeter proof cables in "resistence mode"). But with a Kelvin bridge it is easy to measure resistence values as low as 0.005 ohms. It is a 4 wire measurement and the multimeter is used in mV range. As long as the measured resistence is connected to a constant current source, and the multimeter is used as a millivoltmeter, the resistence of the multimeter proof wires no longer matters. Using ohm's low, and knowing the current in the fuse in the measuring procedure (I) and the voltage across fuse (U), so R=U/I. Off course, in that measurement, the fuse is on the working table, not in the circuit of the amplifier or other apparatus. This way, we can compare the resistence of a normal fuse and an "audiophile boutique fuse". May be this can give very interesting results... and useful conclusions. Are the fuse contacts clean? I mean may be the old fuse rested a very long time inserted. May be some oxidation and abnormal contact resistence ocurred. Removing the old fuse and inserting the new fuse can produce a small friction and cleaning action that can help to remove oxides and give lower contact resistence. And what about measuring the voltage drop across the normal fuse (in circuit working)? And comparing it with the voltage drop across the audiophile 'boutique' fuse also in the working circuit? This is cannot be 'considered' a mistery 'miracle'...
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 3 жыл бұрын
The thing I HATE most about this channel is the ridiculous claims that would be SO EASY TO PROVE. You have everything you need, to demonstrate EVEN ONE RIDICULOUS CLAIM ABOUT FUSES, on video.
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
Great, now tell us why using electronic theory they should sound better?
@hifijohn
@hifijohn 6 жыл бұрын
they should sell audiophile air. thats right folks replace that mid-fi air in your listening room with audiophile grade air to make your system sound its best.
@mcplutt
@mcplutt 6 жыл бұрын
nitrogen are used in tires.. probably good for audio too.
@paulwilburn6502
@paulwilburn6502 5 жыл бұрын
I've found that pure nitrogen in my listening area makes the music so good, I actually pass out!
@jimolson9671
@jimolson9671 5 жыл бұрын
paul wilburn ... and don’t wake up!
@davidpaul6998
@davidpaul6998 5 жыл бұрын
where can I get it?
@jakeross3923
@jakeross3923 3 жыл бұрын
@Dave Micolichek why is that amazing? Of course the air makes a difference. The properties of the air affect the transmission of sound
@andresromerodelgado6241
@andresromerodelgado6241 3 жыл бұрын
Orange fuse the best sinergistics research
@DrTune
@DrTune 4 жыл бұрын
Paul's company sells an AC power conditioner (AC in, AC out) that costs $10k. He cannot explain 'exactly why' a fuse would make a difference, but you definitely should believe him and go buy some.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
Lol they are lovingly hand rubbed with snake oil before they leave the factory. That's worth $9950 right there!
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 4 жыл бұрын
This is typical of commenters who know nothing but like to put in their two cents worth. PS Audio doesn't make $10,000 conditioners. I believe you are referring to regenerators but hey don't let the facts stand in your way.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 4 жыл бұрын
@@bhoge2000 You don't even know anything about snake oil.
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt I know it comes from snakes. XD
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 4 жыл бұрын
@@bhoge2000 The oil that comes from snakes would be the legitimate article which is the opposite of what you're implying. Once again, you don't know anything about snake oil. It's a misused term. It should refer to the fake stuff peddlers tried to pass off as snake oil, but don't let facts interfere with your opinions. I'm sure many people want to know what you think regardless of your lack of knowledge or legitimate first hand experience on the matter at hand.
@akr01364
@akr01364 4 жыл бұрын
Deep in the Bavarian woodland there is a unicorn. A unicorn that they force feed a barrel of sauerkraut to every day. And after this feeding they collect the farts, seal them in a little ceramic jar and charge $100 a pop for it. Just be aware, when those suckers do blow, glitter goes everywhere.
@akr01364
@akr01364 3 жыл бұрын
@@asdqwe4468 hehe, he makes a good point that different types of components improve sound quality and fuses certainly do so. But, he also knows no matter what he says, someone is always going to be their way around the topic to say he's wrong, as the founder of a highly respected audio company. So, he just gave us a little anecdote, said they work a d left it alone. Everything else else is a unicorn fart.
@SaturnV2000
@SaturnV2000 2 жыл бұрын
I upgraded the fuses in my car. I'm getting much better gas mileage. My car also runs quieter now and acceleration is noticeably improved.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately you imagined this scenario in a drug induced coma since your engine has no fuses.
@scottscottsdale7868
@scottscottsdale7868 6 жыл бұрын
For it is worth, this video with iPhone X is better.
@cengeb
@cengeb 3 жыл бұрын
Ceramic fuses have no sound quality, dink...they are required in certain devices based on electrical characteristics and responses to faults, ding dong!!
@jctedsap
@jctedsap 2 жыл бұрын
I commonly see them in microwave ovens.
@psycheout4733
@psycheout4733 5 жыл бұрын
It's pretty simple. Open up ANY factory fresh PS audio device. See a "ceramic", "sand filled" fuse in there? No? Shows they don't believe enough in the product to put it in their equipment but sure enough will pedal it for the industry's audiophiles to drive up those margins.
@williambon12
@williambon12 5 жыл бұрын
You looked inside ? Which one? And they don't sell fuses, so they aren't peddling anything.
@psycheout4733
@psycheout4733 5 жыл бұрын
@@williambon12 Let's leave it at 'a few' PS audio products have been opened and inspected. But you missed the point, if a $30 audio fuse makes such a dramatic difference why wouldn't PS audio license or enter a contract with that fuse manufacturer and install them in their devices from the factory? It would be a tiny cost to produce difference ($5 maybe $10 in a production deal?) for an audible $100-$500+ audio difference that Paul's trying to make the case for here. Think!
@williambon12
@williambon12 5 жыл бұрын
@@psycheout4733 So, you didn't actually pop open any factory fresh units, did you?. You never actually looked under the hood, correct? If you did, details, please. Where, when and how? Which models? I actually own PS Audio components, so be careful...bullshit will be detected!
@psycheout4733
@psycheout4733 5 жыл бұрын
@@williambon12 Are you that determined to prove you're a fanboy with no idea what he's talking about? Demanding 'factory fresh' is idiotic as the physical parts don't change from the factory floor until the original owner decides to change it you dolt. I used the term in the original post to emphasize the point but the physical parts don't change unless someone changes it! Just like WHERE, WHEN and HOW that you're asking makes no damn difference to whether or not those fuses are inside. LoL The fuses from the factory are NOT the 'ceramic sand filled' fuses that Paul talks about in the video. So whatever BS you're going to try and imply (as you're going to) is just highlighting how idiotic this blind and ignorant following is. BTW PS Audio directly recommends wire wisker fuses in their replacement guide: "Replace the fuse with a 5 x 20 mm, 1 amp slow blow, 250V fuse, Schurter part number 0034.3117 or equivalent." www.psaudio.com/ps_how/how-to-change-fuses-in-a-pwd-or-pwt/
@williambon12
@williambon12 5 жыл бұрын
@@psycheout4733 Logical inference: you lied about having looked inside any PSA unit. You never did, did you? PS: Name calling never won an argument, , Mr. Out. PPS: Now you can really cut loose with invective! Have at it!
@NackDSP
@NackDSP 5 жыл бұрын
PSRR == Power Supply Rejection Ratio. A properly designed power supply and attached circuitry should isolate the sound from the in coming power. If you can hear the tiny difference between two fuses, that indicates that your product is poorly designed.
@MAELOB
@MAELOB 6 жыл бұрын
What I find surprising is that an engineer manufacturer cant explain why something sounds better in his own equipment- I guess a psycho acoustics expert would be a better person to ask.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 6 жыл бұрын
MAELOB It's because engineers don't know everything. If they did, nothing could be improved.
@bradleysmith681
@bradleysmith681 6 жыл бұрын
MAELOB That truly is the key.. The designer himself can not explain why he designs some aspects of his own products..
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 4 жыл бұрын
@@FooBar89 Sorry you're mistaken and do you really want to compare education and experience with me? Forty years of building and designing Home Theaters and being introduced to various designers along the way tells me you don't have a clue. If you spoke to engineers actually designing gear you would know they're continually learning well into the latter years of their careers. They are the first to admit they don't know everything. Common sense would tell you why. Go find some please.
@brownj2
@brownj2 4 жыл бұрын
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Me and 4 other engineers gave you thumbs up
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
I hear what you are saying and it doesn't even require audiophile fuses!
@DodgyBrothersEngineering
@DodgyBrothersEngineering 5 жыл бұрын
Next time Paul can you make up a story for the haters, so they have a reason not to believe you. Because apparently not knowing why something just works, somehow reduces your credibility. Give me a person who openly admits they don't know something, over someone prepared to make something up on the spot to look smart any day.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 3 жыл бұрын
If you make a claim that has no basis in logic, at least provide some sort of evidence... in this case the evidence would be extremely simple to produce and provide. Fuses are never even in the audio path. If you say they affect sound, simply record a bit of video, keeping the mic/speaker in the same exact spot, AND PROVE IT.
@citation9199
@citation9199 3 жыл бұрын
While explaining what a fuse is and how it is built, Paul just explained why expensive, fat power cables are useless and not needed.
@grantofat6438
@grantofat6438 2 жыл бұрын
A fuse is not very long compared to a cable. If you had a cable as thin as the wire inside a fuse, I think you would notice the difference. The device would probably not turn on at all because of lack of power.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 2 жыл бұрын
very bad question. or simple to answer... it does not change a thing. and you might void warranty since the producers are not stupid unlike some of there consumers.
@edgarmisplaced7924
@edgarmisplaced7924 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I did something I thought I would never do. I purchased an Audio Magic SHD-Beeswax Ultimate, with the intent of giving it a try and sending it back if necessary. I installed this in my pre-amp, Purity Audio Basis MK11 , and waited. Audio Magic recommends 125 hrs. of break in. Somewhere around that time you actually notice a darker background and a more expansive sound stage and added perceived clarity. Needless to say I kept the damn thing and couldn't be happier with it. Naysayers need to have their ears checked. Love your vids.
@MrSpock-bm4vm
@MrSpock-bm4vm 6 жыл бұрын
Good choice.! you don´t need to look for another brand. (just loosing money) you choose the right one at first try
@SlightReturn666
@SlightReturn666 4 жыл бұрын
This is so so so embarrassing to admit, but I got suckered into buying one of those fuses for my preamp. It's a HiFi Tuning "Supreme" model and I think it was like $70. Honest to god it didn't change anything. (Or, as audiophiles would say, my system must not be good enough to show the improvement hahahahahahaha!) I totally forgot to send it back within the return period and I am stuck with it. I could have taken a pretty girl on a nice date and instead I fucking bought a fuse!!!!! I'm a real idiot. Sand in the fuses? .... i feel like we suckers have sand in our collective vaginas
@michaelmonaghan8026
@michaelmonaghan8026 2 жыл бұрын
Placebos..... Voodoo bulls.....
@cengeb
@cengeb 5 жыл бұрын
The fact that you seen him do something already sets you up, are you really a fool?
@BoomerUKEngland
@BoomerUKEngland 5 жыл бұрын
It does work, I put a 13amp fuse in my stereo that came with 5amp and it improved sound, the sound improvement I found was a fuller sound, with more rounded bottom end. I'm talking very very minor, it's a similar improvement you can get from thicker speaker cable. For safety I then added a circuit breaker, this is how I run. If you think about audio your only taking power and converting it into sound. Having a small fuse is a restriction in the chain. BTW did the above 3 years ago, before this video.
@johnadams2815
@johnadams2815 2 жыл бұрын
And then your house catches on fire, because the amplifier pulls more than 5A, which is too much current for the circuit design, and ignites.
@engjds
@engjds Жыл бұрын
SMH, how can I reply to that) apt name btw.
@zulumax1
@zulumax1 5 жыл бұрын
Paul, It makes sense to me what is going on here. A fuse is a resistor, and creates heat when current runs through it causing it to burn up. As soon as you said tuned circuit means they are adding capacitance in parallel inside the fuse. This would work well in a dac where there is mostly low frequency ac current on the fuse. I would be curious to see what a high current square waveform looks like running through it. See if the slew rate is linear in the rise time. I bet it looks like an RC tuned circuit.Probably not a good idea to run these kind of fuses in any high frequency RF circuits.
@BoomerUKEngland
@BoomerUKEngland 5 жыл бұрын
This is correct as I have hear difference in an amp with larger fuse.
@peterr.7429
@peterr.7429 5 жыл бұрын
Ohhhhh no, I was seriously considering purchasing some PS Audio equipment, as the design seems terrific, but after this I may wait a little longer hmmmmmmm
@bhoge2000
@bhoge2000 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah at least until the snake oil has a chance to soak in.
@obibaddad1991
@obibaddad1991 6 жыл бұрын
Many of the comments here have me thinking that Julian Hirsch still lives. Measurements have never ever told the complete truth in the world of high end audio. For once use your ears with an open mind when listening to a high resolution audio system. Paul is beyond reproach in his mechanical expertise and his ability to hear changes in the quality (better or worse) of what he is listening to.
@cbcdesign001
@cbcdesign001 5 жыл бұрын
Please stop with this pseudo science nonsense. Electrical signals can be measured including the characteristics of simple components like a fuse. This is not the twilight zone! There is a world of difference between being open minded and just darn foolishly naive!
@matteiffert4757
@matteiffert4757 4 жыл бұрын
@@cbcdesign001 That's what Julian Hirsch thought too. Disastrous era for audio. Loads of stuff that measured great and sounded terrible. Let's not go there again.
@brownj2
@brownj2 4 жыл бұрын
if you cannot measure it how do you know it is real.
@ned8880
@ned8880 6 жыл бұрын
If the difference is so prominent then set up a test that switches between the crap fuses and the "audiophile" fuses and post it for all to hear. The way you describe the difference, it should be easy to hear when switching between the two.
@Adriana21709
@Adriana21709 6 жыл бұрын
On a lossy compressed KZfaq video? C’mon man.
@AdmiralQuality
@AdmiralQuality 6 жыл бұрын
This is a can of bullshit, not worms. And you own the canning factory. "I can't explain to you exactly why." You might as well start your own religion, man, you'd be a natural.
@jah5035
@jah5035 2 жыл бұрын
As a licensed professional engineer, it’s remarkable to me that someone who calls himself an engineer, would make such ridiculous claims for a 1” piece of wire! He starts off explaining the basic differences between slow-blow and standard fuses, which he gets mostly correct (an EE should understand sand filled and ceramic fuses), but then goes completely off the rails, spewing pure, unadulterated nonsense regarding so called, audiophile fuses. His statements demonstrate a complete lack of understanding regarding basic electrical engineering and the mathematical and physical principles it is based on.
@xioux24
@xioux24 2 жыл бұрын
But you must admit, that IEC cable going to the back of the unit had better be Litz… or all you will hear is static… right? Since a fuse is just a resistor, shouldn’t we all just replace the fuse with a gold plated silver tube? ;)
@palogazo3947
@palogazo3947 2 жыл бұрын
I guess you don't get the REAL Audio fool or Audiophile. They will buy a underground nuclear shelter . Move into a lowest level drive a huge granite tube further down to the earth then on top of the tube goes 20 thousand dollar Kinetic Systems Vibraplane table as a base for the 50 grand turntable to play vinyl because it sounds better than Hi definition DSD or PCM files or anything else on this planet. See the compressed and equalized audio that is chiseled in plastic by a cutter head that was mastered on a multi track tape recorder at 30 IPS that has it's own problems, or maybe a digital multi track and passed through ton of IC's on a SSL or NEVE board in the studio..and than pressed many copies from the Mother.. It is the HOLY GRAIL . Specially if you have a partsconnexion 500 dollar Purple Fuse. It is better to be living as ignorant as possible. Don't forget to plug in the " Tice clock" that he bought at Radio Shack for 5 bucks but treated it with magic cryogenic treatment or any such BS and now he sells it for 300 bucks to introduce digital noise in to your AC because that is even MORE BETTER. lol. Or maybe it could be a psychological phenomena parting with huge amount of money on something you don't really understand like a fuse in a circuit or 3 thousand dollar power cord that you just bought because you hear the difference! If you did not hear it you would have to admit to the stupidity of such move. Of course we can not logically do that! Cheers!!! And yes I do have Levinson ML2 amps and some nice audio equipment but I make my own fuses in my kids sand box.
@elche6730
@elche6730 Жыл бұрын
...and I keep asking my self: Where is YOUR youtube channel? 🤔
@feignit
@feignit Жыл бұрын
If anyone wasn't convinced of PS audio snake oil then this video should put an end to that.
@guilhermedealmeida2299
@guilhermedealmeida2299 3 ай бұрын
It seems nobody wants to really mesure the resistence of the fuse. It is certainly a low value and a normal multimeter is useless in that case (to much error because the measured resistence is similar or lower than the multimeter proof cables in "resistence mode"). But with a Kelvin bridge it is easy to measure resistence values as low as 0.005 ohms. It is a 4 wire measurement and the multimeter is used in mV range. As long as the measured resistence is connected to a constant current source, and the multimeter is used as a millivoltmeter, the resistence of the multimeter proof wires no longer matters. Using ohm's low, and knowing the current in the fuse in the measuring procedure (I) and the voltage across fuse (U), so R=U/I. Off course, in that measurement, the fuse is on the working table, not in the circuit of the amplifier or other apparatus. This way, we can compare the resistence of a normal fuse and an "audiophile boutique fuse". May be this can give very interesting results... and useful conclusions. Are the fuse contacts clean? I mean may be the old fuse rested a long time inserted. May be some oxidation and abnjrmal cjbtact resistence. Removing the old fuse and inserting the new fuse can produce a small friction and cleaning action that can help to remove oxides and lower contact resistence. And what about measuring the voltage drop across the normal fuse (in circuit working) an comparing it with the voltage drop across the audiophile 'boutique' fuse also in the working circuit?
@jammanist
@jammanist 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Hifi fuses do make a difference, but you also need to upgrade speaker and power cables, replace wall adapters with independent power boxes and upgraded wall outlets. Makes a big difference. Just did a comparison on my KZfaq Channel and was very pleased with the results of the test.
@cengeb
@cengeb 5 жыл бұрын
Ckt. breakers have their own "issues" really, nooooo, the correct ckt breaker to a listed use (UL) have no problems, if there is, it's a defective or improperly applied component!
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like total BS to me, and it would be EXTREMELY easy to test the effect by simply bypassing the fuse altogether. Since WHEN is a fuse even in the audio path, buddy? Next you'll be telling us how you music sounds better, depending on which birds are perched on the telephone/electric lines to your house.
@gurratell7326
@gurratell7326 6 жыл бұрын
I did have respect for this Q&A in the beginning, but it goes lower and lower now with each episode. "Audiophile fuse", really? ;/
@FairyNL
@FairyNL 6 жыл бұрын
Gurra Tell I have great respect for Paul and the time he spends on making these video every day, but I have trouble understanding this without any scientific proof. I fell for expectation bias before. Why would this fuse mean any difference when the power runs through the entire village without any problems. The power should not influence the sound anyway if proper filtering is used and capacitors are of the right size.... Why not record the signal from the terminals with a static load resistance and filter the difference out and also do some double checks. I doubt there will be much difference between the fuses. If it cannot be measures, how can one hear it? Measurement devices are capable of finding the tinyest differences in multi gigaherts signals, but not audio??
@SamiyuruSenarathna
@SamiyuruSenarathna 6 жыл бұрын
Good one! Null test you suggested is a great idea. Even I wonder why people with resources don't do this to relieve the minds from doubts. Not trusting measuring devices in a world that has come this far with them is absurd.
@Vermonstered
@Vermonstered 6 жыл бұрын
It's because that quantitative measurements require equipment that they're not willing to invest in. Audioquest on another board literally state they don't have the equipment to measure USB jitter or signal degradation and only present the eye form (which is perceptively worse than a generic cable, they just made it colored and pretty). But here, one can measure ripple, one can measure the power wave form, one can measure the frequency change of the wave, but nothing... just like a ton of other snake oil products... make even a single objective claim because they will be sued off their asses for false advertising once they make a measurable claim and they realize that making "better" marketing works just fine to sell these at the markup they do.
@christianholmstedt8770
@christianholmstedt8770 6 жыл бұрын
All this talk about jitter in a USB serial transfer is really strange. Jitter matters when it comes to DA converters and to minimize it the clock first needs to be accurate and not drift (that's the base problem), then place it close to the DAC which uses it. I fail to understand how the interface used to transmit the zeroes and ones have any effect on the sound. It's all about the timing of data going into the DAC and of course the quality of the DAC itself. You can have the source of data located at the South Pole, stream it to the Moon and back, and then listen to it without any problem but I'd say having the clock far away from the DAC (The Moon, South Pole, London... whatever) is going to be a massive problem. Get it? Now can anyone explain how the digital interface can affect sound quality?
@Vermonstered
@Vermonstered 6 жыл бұрын
Well each digital transfer medium has it's benefits and weaknesses. Be it coax, USB or optical. Some are uni directional, some remove the connected ground, some are much better for long runs. But ultimately if one sends the number 100 over any digital format, it gets converted to 1100100 in binary and if that's what arrives at the receiving end, what difference does it make? How can that be improved? That's something that all the cable makers fail to elaborate on and just use hot words instead because they rely on the ignorance of the user not to realize that digital is a realm that one can easily compare what's sent to what's received before the DAC/analog stage and zero cable maker makes the claim of increased accuracy and reduced packet loss/errors because those a quantifiable measurements that can be disproven. As for me, I have no idea why someone would want to run a 200+ft digital cable anyway between their source and DAC but ya, for those kind of runs USB isn't suitable and never was designed to be.
@TH-nf1eo
@TH-nf1eo 5 жыл бұрын
More like BSaudio. Here I was, hoodwinked into thinking this guy might have tested so-called "audiophile"-which these days seems more appropriately meant as "sucker-fuses because he has a bunch of test equipment in the background. Damn! Just like the guy in the white coat in the TV commercials, nothing but playing "doctor dress-up" or the lawyer in front of a shelf of law books. I want my 6 minutes and 44 seconds back!
@petermartin9494
@petermartin9494 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a fuse. Why? Because Paul said I should. Thanks, Paul.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 3 жыл бұрын
Now here's a guy who swallows whatever you put in his mouth when his eyes are closed.
@mat.b.
@mat.b. 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the haters who never researched this before going on about fuses "having one purpose and not changing anything" would also say capacitors dont make a difference, or any other circuit doesn't make a difference all amps sound the same as long as they work, right?
@mat.b.
@mat.b. 2 жыл бұрын
@Google user People do say it - just use whatever caps are within spec because its all the same. At least, that's what some say. And why would anyone hear about fuses for audio purposes before audio people got into it?
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 2 жыл бұрын
And people like you is why these snake oil sellers are still around
@len9518
@len9518 Жыл бұрын
Another "WOW, it was a day and night difference. My wife could hear the difference from the next room."
@tijgerhaai3
@tijgerhaai3 6 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried nuclear power instead of wind energy? It sounds more spacious and airier. Yeah right, If another cable or fuse makes the difference, you have designed a bad power supply.
@paulp.4970
@paulp.4970 6 жыл бұрын
I cannot say something about fuses, but cables CAN make a huge difference. Your opinion about that is very dated; everybody can hear it!
@Vermonstered
@Vermonstered 6 жыл бұрын
+Paul P. Cables can only make a difference if the cable is worse than what I have in my walls past the transformer that comes from the street main line if referring to just plugging into a wall socket. You might have an argument (an argument, not proof) talking about coming out of a power conditioned UPS but again, even in Paul's video and post and in your post here makes no mention of that so no, whatever % silver cable you're speaking of here can't passively fix the power coming out of the wall. There would have to be an active component in line to reregulate the power flow in line and a fancy silver tinned triple sleeved cable will not do that.
@NunkaOlvidar
@NunkaOlvidar 6 жыл бұрын
Paul P. You are so wrong and cheated. Not, cables dont make any differences.
@paulp.4970
@paulp.4970 6 жыл бұрын
Off course they can! I HEAR differences when I compare directly. Cables can be the weakest link in the chain, so when everything else is OK, you don't hear a cable, but you can hear the music better because it does not interfere. That's all very logical! Are you suggesting there's something wrong with my ears or, worse, I get fooled by the 'cable maffia'? Come on !
@tijgerhaai3
@tijgerhaai3 6 жыл бұрын
In the analog signal path, there may be some difference depending on thickness and shielding. With digital connections and power cables it is absolute nonsense. From the source in the power plant to the socket in your house, the connection consists of steel, copper and multiple circuit breakers/fuses. Using the last 1.5 meters a trendy cable and an "audiophile" fuse really does not make a difference.
@tlr5457
@tlr5457 4 жыл бұрын
Here’s a list of tweaks that some of you have probably performed on your systems that some people have deemed dubious and vehemently assert have no impact on reproduction/sound/sonic signature/performance. This list starts with several [not all] “tweaks” that are now common, widely accepted as effective through to the most esoteric end of the spectrum. · Gold plated connections · Upgraded internal components (resistors, capacitors, switches, connectors, circuit boards, etc) · EMI/RFI Noise Suppression Devices · Interconnect Cable Upgrades · Speaker Cable Upgrades · Power Cable Upgrades · Conductor directionality · Power Conditioning · Component Isolation · Grounding · Room Acoustic Treatments · Demagnitization · Fuse upgrade · Acoustical Tuning · Cryogenic Treatment · Schumann Resonance · Quantum Resonance Keep in mind; these are considerations that people have deemed as questionable at one time or another and, in some cases, continue to dismiss them outright. Some people still think it is a fool’s game to invest more than $300 in a complete system. They just want to hear music and don’t care about “quality” and probably couldn’t hear the difference any. Heck, I’d go so far as to assert, that if certain people do venture to try some of these tweaks, it is truly a fool’s game as they may be incapable of hearing a difference anyway - for many reasons. If you’re one of those people who think that everything has to be measurable, or you don’t care about quality, or you poo-poo the notion of audiophilia and the hobby, then why are you here? Just to troll?! If you are not one of those people, and you believe or have tried and detected improvement with any of the tweaks listed here, then you are doing a disservice to yourself and the hobby/art when you discount any of the tweaks on the esoteric end of the spectrum. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVENT TRIED THEM!!!! Our current reality/history is replete with examples of things and phenomena that can be observed but not measured. Assuredly, with time and technology, this will change - as it always does. Also, for many of you, even if Paul or anyone else were able to "show you the numbers"/produce measurements, you would still cast doubt on the tweak because of your inherent bias(es) - you would find some way to undermine the findings. The minute anyone says anything is bullshit snake oil without having first tried or tested it themselves, they too are "BIASED" and should be considered just as full of shit [if not more] as the people they are criticizing.
@C--A
@C--A 4 жыл бұрын
Emmanuel Goldstein you have room acoustic treatments way down at number 10 🤦🏾‍♂️ Room acoustic treatments plus setting up your speakers in the correct position & height is number 1. It gives the most beneficial improvement for sound quality 🔈🎶 And speaker cable number 4 😂 it's been debunked many many times speaker cable as long as its decent quality and thick enough for the run it won't make a noticeable hearing difference between a £20 or £2000 speaker cable 👌🏾 Interconnects on the other hand do make a very noticeable difference on the sound signature. As for gold plated connectors silver plated connectors are even better (silver is the most conductive metal, much more conductive than gold) as long as your careful not to accidentally strip the plating off when inserting removing connectors. Power conditioning isn't needed unless your electric wiring in the house or the outside power box is from the 70s and inadequate. Most of the time power conditioning does more harm than good to the sound quality.
@tlr5457
@tlr5457 4 жыл бұрын
@@C--A there is a reason my list wasn't numbered. It was "not" meant to "rank" specific tweaks by order of effectiveness. Not sure where you got that idea. The list is from the most common and basic to the most esoteric - the ones audiophiles / music lovers /enthusiasts are most likely not to try - either because of perceived dubiousness and/or cost. Room acoustical treatments/tweaks are probably the most expensive and time consuming to implement and [to your point] one of the most effective - although it is not a panacea and some rooms don't need it. Although its efficacy is widely accepted and apparent, it is also the tweak that the average, cost conscious [and lazy] audiophile will never try. I disagree with you about speaker cables and power conditioning. Being the fanatic that I am, I have performed many comparisons [equipment shoot-outs] in both of these areas and the differences between products and technologies are readily apparent. Nothing is a "one size fits all" solution and as I said not everyone can hear the differences - for various reasons.
@C--A
@C--A 4 жыл бұрын
@@tlr5457 you have edited your post lol. "Not sure where you got that idea" obviously because you originally had from most effective to least effective tweaks 🤦🏾‍♂️
@C--A
@C--A 4 жыл бұрын
@@tlr5457 power conditioning mains blocks don't improve the sound quality unless you very bad wiring in your walls that are affecting your connected equipment. Cheaper to rewire the entire house, and many of the people who have naively bought these magically marketed power conditioners have said it has made the sound worse sucked a lot of the sound out. For speaker wires thicker 6mm conducter 3AWG speaker wire will perform better than 1mm conducter 18AWG speaker wire. That's assuming you have decent speakers and a powerful enough amplifier that could benefit from the bigger speaker wire conducters that pass through more electrical current. I myself use 6mm 3AWG speaker wire. Plus a thick 3.2mm power cable with silver plated copper IEC and UK plug. But I use logical thinking and do proper research buy at reasonable prices. Unlike most people who just waste their money buying the expensive cables because there expensive and fooled by the snake oil marketing!
@tlr5457
@tlr5457 4 жыл бұрын
@@C--A I edited my original post before your comments and just after I posted it. I usually always find mistakes immediately after I post something; (did you check to see if my original post was edited before you read it? I doubt it). You should not assume that I edited it based on your feedback - your feedback wasn't compelling enough to warrant a change; why would I change it? Again, if you go back a read my post, the second sentence has always read "This list starts with several [not all] “tweaks” that are now common, widely accepted as effective through to the most esoteric end of the spectrum." Also, you should not assume that my use of the work "esoteric" implies that it is "ineffective". I have tried all of the tweaks mentioned on my short list and many of them do have a degree of efficacy and as a result I've adopted many of them and still employ them today. As for your pedantic assertions about speaker cables and power conditioners, I've heard it all before. That said, your speaker wire, power cable input has been the only specific example of "YOUR" experience with any of the tweaks mentioned - you've essentially offered nothing but second hand, anecdotal platitudes. Your feedback and demeanor have proven the point of my original post. That is unless you have something "compelling" to share additionally about any of the tweaks listed - most especially those on the esoteric end of the spectrum. (???) Surprise me and let's make this conversation more meaningful. But in order for it to be meaningful, you must have an open mind. Though you seem to have made up your mind about a lot of things and are here to lecture, argue, [troll?] so...not sure we can have that conversation.
@DavidBrown-fi8vr
@DavidBrown-fi8vr 6 жыл бұрын
Fuse fog... I'm looking forward to seeing your snake oil video, lol
@ohjoy40
@ohjoy40 3 жыл бұрын
Well no surprise, Paul was going to get a lot of negative responses to this video from all the non believers. Its a well known fact from real audiophiles. The better the system the more obvious the changes can be heard and evaluated. It only shows the ignorance of those who don’t know. I like analogy’s. It’s like the race car driver who can feel the difference in small changes in tire pressure where the consumer would never notice. More tuned in the car the more differences will be felt when changes are made. Small changes in horse power, suspension, breaking etc. that same analogy can be applied to many other experiences. So until you have experienced a true high end system you don’t know. You also are missing out on a truly wonderful experience and hobby. The challenge for audiophiles is determining if a change or alteration in the system is an improvement or not. Many things change the sound, not all are good.
@MrGrosMamouth
@MrGrosMamouth 3 жыл бұрын
you sound like a cultist of some religion you call audio. You speak from the height of your mighty audio system, I'm sure you're enjoying every bit of it as well as all the people who don't give a damn about fuses
@plcamp1
@plcamp1 3 жыл бұрын
Total BS. Zero link to reality.
@20CycleMonger
@20CycleMonger 6 жыл бұрын
OMG Paul! Please refrain from "I don't know how" explanations, and "it really makes a difference" statements. If this proves anything it is that the ear/brain relationship is truly a marvel of design & creation, being able to differentiate infinitely minute details..... But are the differences MUSICALLY better or worse? ;-)
@Ricktpt1
@Ricktpt1 6 жыл бұрын
Placebo effect. But if you think it's better, then the only injury is to your finances.
@irisfailsafe
@irisfailsafe 6 жыл бұрын
I am thinking the iPhone X wouldn't be possible if it was designed by audiophiles...
@christianholmstedt8770
@christianholmstedt8770 6 жыл бұрын
There is a chance that it would work, but it might be made by hand out of marble or granite with cushy support feet and an external rubidium clock encased in uMetal with pure silver leads, painted green around the edge. The charger would be a 75lbs stationary power station. Streaming might be an issue to because you'll need an Audiophile router for added clarity and room definition.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 6 жыл бұрын
irisfailsafe Did you notice it is the worst looking of all his videos?
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 6 жыл бұрын
irisfailsafe IPhone X is being returned in droves. What say you now?
They all said this wouldn't do anything...
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