Tieranids list

It really sucks that all the big monsters from the leviathan box are extremely mediocre.

Kind of cathartic to hear Auspex call out the possibility that the T-fex was heavily nerfed to push the Norn Emissary

I am still monumentally confused about how bad the Tyrannofex got nerfed. Did one of them eat one of the developer's cats or something? Poor thing

Im still frustrated that the trygon no longer has its tunnelling ability to deepstrike other units, since that always was its unique ability. It plays like a mawloc, not a trygon.

The tyrannofex…how they massacred my boy 😢

Really wish the screamer killer was a bit cheaper/better

I disagree with surprisingly many, but that is at least partly thru the tier list in itself. A lot of units are only viable in specific combinations and/or lists, which is completely overlooked in the list. The Tervigon is overall trash, but good in an Unending Swarm detachment since it buffs the unit you are spaming anyways (and is the best receiver for the Naturalised Camouflage enchancement. The Mawloc is decent as a distraction and blocking unit. The dmg against infantry is high enough that you can't just ignorie it so it can threaten something important. Thing is that you have to take it in a BigBug list or it eats all the heavy weapons and just dies. The role is unappraciated so I get that it is put lower than the Trygon, but mathematically it's actually more cost efficient. Both kill about 4 marines, with a 35pt difference. Sure, the Trygon is better vs bigger models, but the S9 prevents it from being actually good. Warriors with Melee Weapons are actually not that bad in a Vanguard Onslaught detachment since the Winged Prime gives them advance and charge. They are still overcosted, but if you can give them the +1 to hit and wound bonus they do decent work. Their problem is that this isn't a default option and they are still not stellar in it (since they need a Strat, so either having a tyrant in the list or spending the valuable resource on them). So once again they are either good or trash, depending on the context. Gargoyles are auto include in every list for me. The mobility is insale for a battleline, they are cheap and they can hide much better than most other fragile units. With indirect fire not being spamed as much anymore they are great in almost every list. You can even block a non-flying army from leaving their deployment zone with their 12+d6+6 movement range, giving you a massive advantage in the game. Taking over the midfield is the main reason why first turn is so strong and they can double down on the effect. The Lictor is the best backfield holding unit in the army. Only 3" drops can tough him while your whole army is in the midfield. It doesn't matter that they aren't as good as the other two variants, they are still amazing for every list. Norn Emissarys on objectives are insanely durable which makes them the perfect unit to hold one while the rest of your army deals with the opponent. They not only do something no other unit can do (at least not as well) but also support your army while doing it. 18" shooting isn't amazing but should be enough if you sit on the middle of the board and it's really decent. In addition they are synapse, so you don't need to worry taking any additional synapse untis, which you could see as an additional 65+ pts discount for the army. One of the best units in the faction. Carnifexes and OOE specifically are only good in combination with each other and in an Invasion Fleet. Everywhere else both their dmg-output and -resistence drops dramatically. Before the Balance Dataslate they where actually kind of a trap against armies like Aeldari, which had a hyper-effective was to kill most if not the whole army in a turn via Devastating Wounds. They are significantly better now, but still not as good as many hype them up to be. Which is the reason they aren't as common in winning competitive lists as a tier 1 unit should be. Genestealers+Broodlord are pretty bad. Not because of the points but because they barely do enough dmg to ustify the cost of units that do much more, are more dorable and not es specialized as them. Even with good rolls on DevWounds they don't drop a tough target and just bounce of things like terminators while easily dying to things like Overwatch. Their problems aren't so much the stats as their functionality. Sure, they can scout ahead and get a turn 1 charge in.. but that only works against people that still didn't learn how to screen of units and might very easily die trying to Overwatch. If they had S5 and D2 they would at least had a role vs heavy infantry or something. The way they are right now I don't see any reason to take them. The Winged Prime was trash before we got all the enchancements only he can get and which are so powerful that you are willingly just paying the ~100 pts for synapse and the effect in the unit. But that isn't true for every detachment. They are still outer trash for halve of the detachments and have only worth as the cheapest synapse creature. Failed profile design that is uphold by extremely good enchancements. The Parasite of Mortrex does very little useful without Synapse (which it only has access to in a IV detachment). Even the chance of spawning Rippers is worth less since you can take single bases. It's not trash, but it's just not doing much either, so below average. Swarmlord is way overpriced. He has the same dmg-output as the normal Tyrant, which is already a wet noodle for his cost. The Vect is great, but not worth the premium cost for a decent psionic shooting and underwhelming cc. Neurolictors are amazing for their points. But mainly because they are too cheap for a T5, 7 wound, 4+ invuln model with Lone Operator. Their main ability is great if you can trigger it, which means you either build your army around stuff that does, or it's a gimmick that can randomly work or not, possibly leaving the model out in the open without the LoneOp protection. As great as the model is I think it's a trap for many inexperienced players that will try to force it to work and loose stuff because of it. Maleceptor is a bit overrated for whatever reason. They are great against Termis. But Other than that the S10 is just as good as the S8 of the Exocrines, which means you pay premium for the invuln that is only relevant against weapons that have at least AP-3 (lowers 3+ in cover under the 4+ invuln) and in range of the Exo with it's 36" range. With the shorter range you are more vulnerable to shorter range high dmg weapons and you get neither a 2+ from heavy nor give any boni vs the target once hit. Which makes the Maleceptor overall a worse than an Exocrine. I have the fleeing that many spam them just because they saw them in top lists, not understanding that the -1 to hit is a hard counter vs GSC, which made the Maleceptor so important for that matchup. That isn't as important anymore with the Norn's being tough enough to tank the demolition charges and with additional options to either prevent them from dropping into a range or overwatching them to death. The Hive Tyrant is far from the auto pick it was before the free strat change. Most detachments have only 1 or 2 tactical strats and not all are worth taking a 235 model over it. They are still good in the IV because of the FnP strat and in VO for the Battle-shock strat. Other than that I probably wouldn't take them to be honest. The dmg is not that good, they are not that tough and the buffs are not that relevant for most of the army. An overall meh. Pyrovores are cheap for the profile. But with the 80mm base it's very hard to move them around now. I wouldn't advice anybody to take more than 2-3 single models, simply because you probably won't be able to move them anywhere without a Tyrannocyste. Which is great fun for dropping in 4 models with a giant base and flame the heck out of something.. but in most games you will have just as much problems setting them up as moving them around. The most controversal take will probably be that I am not all that amazed by the single base Rippers. Sure, they can score a mission after dropping in. Just as you can do with a spore mine from a Biovore, that itself is zoning your backfield, possibly holding an objective while being decently tough vs ligh indirect fire. A ripper is instantly dead as soon as something looks in it's general direction. And even with the small space it occupies you still need your opponent to leave out enough space for it to drop in. So this works only against specific armies or reckless opponents. It's far from useless, but it is currently a bit overhyped. Especially since the point cost got significantly increased and nobody took them for 45 pts. I just don't think they are as high up the scale as people think atm. Tyranids are much more about synergy and understanding all moving parts than most other armies. You can rely on Custodes doing what they do just by their stats alone. But Tyranids are either great or trash depending on how you combine and use them. A simple tier list like this doesn't reflect that at all and misleads new players into getting all exited about units that simply won't work for them. Not just not well but being complete trash in the wrong list or used in the wrong way.

"I quite like him" - all you need to make a unit tier 1 😊 thanks for the video

When the space marine codex comes out, I would love to see a direct comparison between the two of them. Units that are analog, or have similar stats to see if they are roughly the same in power and cost as well as stratagems and other things.

I hate that the Crusher Stampede detachment actually disincentivizes you from running Carnifexes

My theory on the Tyrannofex is that some developer lost their 20+ wound Knight in a single shooting phase thanks to one guy with loaded dice and got super salty about it.

You can charge with a sporocyst. No one expects a charging sporocyst

Hive Tyrants are 10 wounds now not 12. I still don't understand how anyone is excited for the norn creatures. Other armies pay the same points for the same toughness AND the ability to actually kill things. The emissary is literally a hive tyrant in close combat and the assimilator is NOT big tank killing power. On average it takes him shooting and fighting to smash a medium tank and he wont kill a tough one at all (a land raider for example). Despite costing 100 pts more. Hive tyrants are so overcosted now, people mistake taking them because they are the best option we have for them being good.

I think with tyranids you want to rate units in two individual categories: Combat unit Secondary unit Many of the units are very strong as secondary units but the codex has so many of them, that you can easily get too much of them. Like, do you really think if you get 1 biovore, 3 pyrovoers, 3 neuroliktors and 3 rippers that all of them are still worth their spot? And how many other, lower ranked units should be seen as worth less if you already have those dedicated secondary grabbers? Tyranids are complex and this is just one aspect of it. One thing I feel you have forgotten to rate when talking about the droppod (and to a lesser part also all infiltrator types) was that it also saves you deployment space. With many cheap monsters and big swarms the good spots near objectives and out of firing lines of the enemy get congested very fast. Taking 20 gribblies, 6 chunky bugs or 1 monster out of your deployment zone and still have it available for turn1 work after the enemy alpha strike is worth something on its own. On that aspect however I really hate the transport nerf. In 9th you could put maleceptors and exocrines into the pod. The later were especially fun for saving a huge base worth of deployment and dropping down directly into prime firing positions yourself.

Cool and useful as always. Thank you.

neurotyrant with its flamer enhancement and leading some tyrant guard is a wonderful menace. a tervigon can be a great model in a synaptic detachment since it can have -1 damage from an enhancement, lead two broods of termagants and since its a synapse creature it broadcasts the benefits of the current imperative and benefits heavily from all three itself. it works well enough with a psychophage to make a very tough block with high oc and decent range and melee to fling up the board for about 600pts.

Hadnt realised until the weekend that the Tyrant Guard Bone Sword and Lash Whip has lost twin linked 😢

Id still love someone from GW to actually tell us their thought process behind these points costs. They are litterally harming themselves by making models not even worth buying if they are too expensive to put on the table for a good game. It would be really nice one day to field a hierophant in a 2000pt army but then im missing out on so much for very little gain.

Really informative !

I do like dropping 6 pyrovores on the enemy in a tyrannocyte. Not the best strategy, but it is fun.

Im a newer player but i feel like Vanguard Onslaught really pulls a lot of these units up into tier 2 and 3. Melee warriors with a winged prime are great at clearing light and medium infantry, and the winged tyrant CHEWS theough gravis marines and termies without a second thought. Lictors can even t1 rapid for 1cp which is just terrifying

You made a typo on the Trygon, it has D3 attacks, not D2 like it had in 9th. This is a pretty big glow up now that it one shots terminators.

Thanks for your work.

The rework in bodyguard/leadership rules definitely makes tyrant guard much more worth it, and theye tougher than before I used to run a horde of carnifex instead of tyrant guard, worked better more of the time, and better value in older editions

The other day I played my nids against custodes and after two rounds, my three tyrant guard led by a neurotyrant, all with crusher claws, killed trajann. Love their plus one to hit, and giving the tyrant a 5+fnp combo.

One correction: The scything talons that Trygons have are Damage 3, not Damage 2

The thing I think that really shocked me about the psychophage is, if you look at the trailer for the battle, in the little cartoony freeze frame which had TWO of them, they were made out to be a hell of a lot smaller than what we were given, at least that's how they showed them off as.

You can get around the Tyrannocyte limitations by filling it with lictors and bringing it in turn 1 with rapid ingress if you go second. The lictors or parasite can't be shot at 12in and then will have about a 3-4in charge after they move on your turn. Lictors also allow you to do rapid ingress for free.

I really wish I could buy a Haruspex and a Maleceptor while they're still strong, but they've been out of stock for so long.

The harspex thing not being able to move highights that titans should just demolish terrain when walking though. It totaly happens and looks cool when it happens in media. That and other super big things in general. Baneblade definatly should be able to just smash though any building. It would have a interesting dynamic that super large things dont benifit from terrain and can distroy them.

I’m having the most painful #2 of my life. Watching Auspex. Life is strange 😢🎉

I think Tervigon should go up to T2 considering it has pretty good synergy with Synaptic Nexus. Think about it: you can use the OTM stratagem to get rerolls for your temragants... that also get lethal hits now. And if somehow the enemy gets battleshocked, you have another synapse creature to b potentially in range to use the MW stratagem

fwiw the Tyranid Warriors with Melee Weapons might be slightly underrated in your list - when led by the Winged Prime, Sustained Hits, rerolling 1s, and Twin-Linked AP -2 becomes quite deadly. As well, the Winged Prime is a good candidate for the Perfectly Adapted Enhancement in the Invasion Detachment, allowing the Warriors to reroll (e.g.) Charges and Advances, extending their threat range. EDIT: the Perfectly Adapted Enhancement does not apply to the Bearer's Unit :(

Still so frustrating the whole codex points update immediately getting written over by the dataslate, the first points change in the codex felt like it made more sense overall

Hi, quick noob to tryanids question. Hyper Adaption for Invasion Fleet detachment. Swarming Instincts for example. When targeting infantry enemies, does Sustain hits trigger automatically when attacking or on a successful hit roll?

No suprise that all the good monsters are the £60 ones...

Still can’t charge when deploying out of drop pods so another reason tyrannocyte should be much cheaper. Anything more than 80pts and it sits on my shelf still

Thank you

i have unopened box of biovore/pyrovore, and Hive Tyrant/Winged Hive Tyrant. What wouldyou say is the better way to build these?

Happy so many of my favourite models are currently solid or really good. Some got done dirty though... And I still do not understand how the Hierophant and Harridan are still in the game but they relegated Dimachaeon to legends... Eh. I grabbed one from Ebay anyway because I love that model, and outside of tournaments I doubt anyone will have an issue if I run it as an Assimilator instead. From what I've heard the base is the same size (though not round...) and height should work too. Still waiting on my preordered stuff though, inlcuding all the tools to start building the models I already have t.t EDIT: Also incredibly surprised about Nids apparently doing well in tournaments. Of the battle reports on KZfaq they won 2 of the 25+ I watched, and some of those were with the codex points, not even the nerfs... and the two times Nids won they won by 1 point, when they lost they usually got bodied by like 20. Strange that the results are THAT different.

"Solidly performing" lol sure we are, Auspex, sure we are.

Deathleaper also has +1 SP (Style Points) for organic cape. Convert one human unit into a genestealer

Is it me or is the Norn Emissary model in the action shot on p80 of the codex freaking huge?

I’m curious to know your opinion on the neurogaunts and their viability as bodyguards for the Neurotyrant??

I think warriors and the winged prime when combined elevate them to upper tier 2, but other than that I think this list is perfect.

might be a better idea to consider ranged warriors compared to von ryan's leapers, comparable melee, points cost and durability, better keywords on the leapers, but a ranged attack on warriors + synapse, and again comparing melee warriors they seem less bad, think maybe the comparison is abit skewed since they're older

What they don't tell you about the Haruspex is... your opponent will blow it off the board with shooting, the lack of invuln makes it a shockingly soft target, and you'll almost never get it into melee :( still my fav. unit though

While this is anecdotal. I've been running the heirophant in a crusade for a little while and it's been performing very well, though I'll chock that up to getting +1 damage on both guns, one with +1 to hit and the other with an extra attack. Got a full board wipe against another nid list and it killed the entire board by itself.

I still think people are sleeping on raveners. They are as cheap as gargoyles and provide the utility of a ripper every turn.

a good but expensive combo is venomthropes, termagants, exocrine, tervigon, zoanthropes.

Great video tho 33:30 hive tyrant has only 10w even more sad 😢

Really wish someone at GW design studio would watch this channel and others like it, to give them some more insight. Particularly for internal codex balance, they only seem to nerf over performers and never bring up the lesser used units. But as you say it can be arbitary and based on other factors like detachment rules. I still disagree with you on Carnifexes, they should be lower end Tier 3 for me, yes the 2 you put with Old One Eye will be OK probably, but any further units, no. Just being flexible is no good on it's own, just look at the stats on the Haruspex and compare for melee, they are the same points.....as for heavy venom cannons now, and the poor old devourers, not looking good at ranged for the points......

GW have done a lot of things over the years to annoy players. Bad decisions, unnecessary nerfs, and/or general lack of support for various factions. But hands down, the most ludicrous thing i've ever seen, far more than anything else they've ever done, is having a major codex release, the very first of a brand new edition after significantly overhauling the game, and still having at least 50% of the faction's model range 'temporarily out of stock online' upon launch weekend........ If this is how the company is going to roll from now on, I can't see them having good prospects of long term growth for the game.

I think biovores are the most broken. I went 100 to 41 using the statics behind enemy lines and deploy homing beacon. Unless I'm playing it wrong, I shoot a couple spore mines into the opponents deployment and get 8 points a turn from the secondaries. You can also achieve this using a Tyrannocyte with goodies inside. I attack the back point. The strategy worked pretty well the first time.

Even at their lowest tier, it's still better then being a Space Marine

Love me nids. Sad about the tiranofex. Love them.

Bugs bugs bugs

I feel like people are overlooking the mowloc, mortals within 12 inches of it when it comes in. Put a ruler around that giant base and see how crazy huge that is, could easily get 3-4 units to take mortals

Rippers Tier 1 How am I supposed to reprogram my brain to comprehend this.

The norn seem overpriced. It's not gonna stop me from taking them

Both variants of Norns are Tier 1 and so are Gargoyles. Only a few units that GW made unplayable (RIP TFex). Tyranids are looking robust with great build variety.

Munitorium field manual v1.6 as of Jan 2024. Tyrannofex is 190pts

WHY would GW give us beautiful new models (Psychophage, Screamer Killer) and make them TOTALLY USELESS! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Why is it that all of the Tyranids GW Direct Order Only kits are either in Teir 2 or 1!!!??

Wow i unintentionally collected a decent amount of competitive models. I just collected what i thought was cool. Probably wont help considering how nee i am

can the carnifexes finally able to eat tanks again?

Tyranids cannot charge out of the Tyrannocyte, it counts as disembarking from a vehicle. If they give it assault ramp, it might actually be worth it.

How can ripper swarms take objectives, don't they have an OC of 0? (new player here)

dunno if hive tyrants are tier 1 theyre so overcosted now

Hahaha! Gargoyles are maybe the best unit in the codex with a good pilot !!!

Just run all 7 possible lictors. It'll be hilarious.

Day 1 asking for a GSC tier list

Trygon has 12 D3 attacks my dear 🤪

I had 3 tyranofexs and tabled everybody…now i dont lol makes sense..

Half of tier 3 just sad to see them there

i mean exocrines are great IF you can get them

again, no neurothrope. Did GW just erase it from existence?

Tervigon is a character how can he be shot directly

12:14 turned this off as soon as I saw Gargoyles in Tier 2.

i know people are not really pointing it out but if we are going to be honest the Carnifax costs almost 50 points to much for what it dose 4+ to hit its the worst t3 unit or the strongest t4. Tervigon is supposed to be a leader beast for the endless swarm detachment only 1 of the enhancements do anything for it that it will die turn one when you use it in a swarm list to any dedicated anty tank unit on the board is what makes it bad if only it could lead Termagunts as intended this would fix the issue. Tyrant guards have gotten worse whit all the nerfs to their melee profiles they are currently the worst bodyguard unit in the game i dont know why you would place them as T2. also Old One Eye has the worst sweep profile in the game

Harpy being bad, as usual

hive crone weak?? all those ranged attacks, combo with fall back and charge again? can hit with FIVE weapons. only 200pnts. 20" m9vement to fly to position of advantage. please elaborate on your low assessment. respectfully.

Tier list? More like Tyr list.

Glad I watched this before building my Tyrannofex kit, I'll build it into a Tervigon instead

Basically everything in Tier 3 is unplayable right now, simply because they cost WAY to much. Tyranids are not elite, give me more big Monsters Also hive tyrants and carnifexes are also here in tier 3. Smawrmlord is just a pain you have to pay in some detachments

First time I've seen Auspexs ranking pretty much spot on. OOE being T1 is main one, should be T2. Mawloc/Trygon are swapped tiers depending on detachment. Mawloc better in certain detachments. Barbed Hierodule are decent, should be T2. 1 big thing I think we should note is Nothing really is T1 in Tyranids. We are very weak in general army. This List should swap all models down a tier and nothing is T1 really. Just standardized compared to other armies.

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