Necrons Unit Tier List in 10th Edition Codex - Strongest + Weakest Necron Datasheets

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Let's talk through the necrons unit roster with some of the strongest and weakest datasheets in the codex in 40K 10th Edition...
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0:00 Intro
0:24 Necrons Tier List
2:08 Tier 5
5:59 Tier 4
13:33 Tier 3
23:35 Tier 2
36:28 Tier 1
43:15 Outro

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@Rimeshade
@Rimeshade 7 ай бұрын
Necrontyr list surely?
@DaneInTheUS
@DaneInTheUS 7 ай бұрын
People always miss this one! Thank you!
@Slapdab
@Slapdab 7 ай бұрын
Oof
@StorytellerCharm
@StorytellerCharm 7 ай бұрын
The most beautiful play on words I’ve ever seen in this community 😂
@SinMark_
@SinMark_ 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@piershansen102
@piershansen102 7 ай бұрын
Booo
@vaflerdeig1818
@vaflerdeig1818 7 ай бұрын
Let trazyn transport 200p worth of anything except necron units. I think that would massively improve him. Not to mention how cool it would be to field a screamer killer alongside my immortals.
@hootie1883
@hootie1883 7 ай бұрын
Lore accurate ability that would be nearly impossible for GW to balance correctly. I do agree with giving him that ability. With no allies for Necrons, this might fill that niche.
@vaflerdeig1818
@vaflerdeig1818 7 ай бұрын
@hootie1883 Yeah. Not to mention how people could buy and paint the cool new unit and be able to play it without having to start an entirely new army.
@ciaranrolleston
@ciaranrolleston 7 ай бұрын
Or if he scores a point on an objective on the enemy's side of the board he just gets to steal a unit
@CloudBorne
@CloudBorne 7 ай бұрын
​@@hootie1883restrict it to battleline?
@nathangontarz4127
@nathangontarz4127 7 ай бұрын
Probably the best thing for Trazyn that could be balanced is let him nuke a Lychguard or Immortal in addition to a leader
@hootie1883
@hootie1883 7 ай бұрын
Cryptothralls...hero to zero in no time flat. This just underscores the adage that you should build and paint what you like and not worry 100% about the rules. Now, if only GW didn't hate fliers. Doom scythe and Night scythe would have benefitted greatly from the hover keyword.
@_Lemor2008_
@_Lemor2008_ 7 ай бұрын
Yep, but hypercrypt also fixed them. Would be complaining there.
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 7 ай бұрын
They where good but the hero to zero trophy goes to the Reanimator. The Reanimator is just bad again.
@user-bp7nt9tb6z
@user-bp7nt9tb6z 7 ай бұрын
I honestly can't believe that noone seems to understand that cryptothralls are doubling the survivability of the unit of immortals for just 60 points. Attach technomancer to them and they are as good as they were pre codex. How could they be tier 4? Wraiths tier 1, when they have no damage and only mid-tier survivability given technomancer attached? Really? 280 points!
@yongkoolee3130
@yongkoolee3130 7 ай бұрын
@@user-bp7nt9tb6z you're underestimating wraith 6T 4W 3+ 4++ 5+++ and regenerate 2D3 wounds per a round is not a mid tier survivability.
@baconbliss4796
@baconbliss4796 7 ай бұрын
@@user-bp7nt9tb6z well in vid he said they cant attach to lychgaurd anymore witch near as i can tell is just wrong as i dont see a single thing that makes it true also the true utility of them is you just care about dumping wounds into them not the damage they do and people forget you usual run a technomancer anyway so you didnt loose a fnp you just downgraded to 5+ from 4+
@musicalcharge
@musicalcharge 7 ай бұрын
I sure hope the next balance pass improves the internal balance, this feels just as skewed as pre codex.
@tastefulavenger
@tastefulavenger 7 ай бұрын
That's what i've been saying! People for some reason think power swapping lychguard for wraiths and immortals for warriors meant things got "healthy". The added playstyles and slight tweaks to thralls,ghost arks, and reanimator was all that crons needed to dial in the goofiness of statchecking them.
@Enigma366
@Enigma366 7 ай бұрын
Honestly with warriors I think they should regen d3 normally and d6 on objectives. Maybe give them a little more value for the current points cost
@WingsaberE3
@WingsaberE3 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I used to enjoy having a lore-focused two 20 man necron warrior blobs but not with only d3 reroll they’re just too easy a target for blast.
@thecappeningchannel515
@thecappeningchannel515 7 ай бұрын
I actually run the same army as back in 2003. But pretty tired of getting my 2x20 warrior blobs creamed.
@braydenputt2237
@braydenputt2237 7 ай бұрын
Wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of lists with 3+ c'tan running around. Hell, if the points are right throw a tesseract vault in there and go nuts. The star gods rule the necrontyr once again this edition
@didymussumydid9726
@didymussumydid9726 7 ай бұрын
Oldcrons infinitely superior to newcrons, sad to say
@worldlinezero4783
@worldlinezero4783 7 ай бұрын
Gotta set up the "Oops! All C'tan" list with each of the C'tan, Szarekh, and a Tesseract Vault
@MrCbro30584
@MrCbro30584 6 ай бұрын
I just want to say, I barely got into 40k during 9th. And due almost entirely to this channel I have had an amazing time and enjoyed almost entirely every minute. You have made the easing in so much easier than expected and are a true beacon of the community.
@celsiusXT
@celsiusXT 7 ай бұрын
Doom scythe has some spooky play in Hypercrypt. Ya it’s a point sink but showing up on the edge well out of enemy range, blasting something, tele out, rinse repeat. May sound extremely niche but think of the fun!
@_Lemor2008_
@_Lemor2008_ 7 ай бұрын
I’m going to be doing the same thing, it sounds super fun to have an UNLOCKED flight path!
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
That sounds like a fun way to erase a character in the enemy army. Guillima advancing up to midfield to wipe out the unit of Immortals holding it up, then getting his atoms scattered by a Doom Scythe 200 miles away.
@DeusExMachina10001
@DeusExMachina10001 7 ай бұрын
Auspex the Diviner manipulates time to come out with yet another vid.
@ryankyle2467
@ryankyle2467 15 күн бұрын
Great video! It is very disappointing how much has been taken away from this army! And I get that it happens to all of them at some point…… but I haven’t been playing for years and years! I’m still in the process of building and painting my first full army! And honestly (regardless of what anyone wants to believe about how “if they know about it then of course everyone else would know also”) I only learned about this whole thing a little over 5 years ago!!! And once I could afford a bunch of boxes and I figured out what army/armies I wanted to play as, then I started….. but still very little time available to spare to all this work!!! Anyways, another thing I wish you did add (which I’m pretty sure you had on the 9th edition!?! And possibly even the 8th edition) is how many minis are in a unit for the amount of points you were talking about! I know you kinda mentioned it near the top 2 tears and the obvious single models don’t really need that!?! But it would have helped me and any other new players to be able to figure out what they need and how many of them they need!!!
@alexhenry9586
@alexhenry9586 5 ай бұрын
Hmmm, here I was thinking warriors were a staple for armies. Thanks for the the list
@caveyiswow92
@caveyiswow92 7 ай бұрын
I think warriors shouldn’t have been touched. The nerf to all the other ways to reanimate in addition to nerfing their special rule, makes them way too expensive for their 4+ save. I’m thinking they’re still kinda playable but szeras is a must and he has to be buffing immortals while doing so.
@attilathenun
@attilathenun 7 ай бұрын
At 10pt they're okay, but the old rules felt much better even with the point premium.
@swinegods
@swinegods 7 ай бұрын
At 10p they have basically the same dmg output as Hormagaunts. Said Tyranids cost 6p a piece. Warriors suck now, make them 12p and buff them back to 9th ed stats@@attilathenun
@nathangontarz4127
@nathangontarz4127 7 ай бұрын
I agree, they'll likely finish 10th around 9ts per model
@KhanTotalGaming99
@KhanTotalGaming99 7 ай бұрын
I used them to great effect yesterday. Used them in the Awakened Dynasty with Illuminor and I have 3x20 led by Plasmancers, so their firepower was scary lol
@KhanTotalGaming99
@KhanTotalGaming99 7 ай бұрын
​@@swinegodsYes but Warriors revive for free and have guns, lol
@spoonsrattling
@spoonsrattling 7 ай бұрын
I really like the canoptek court, might be tempting enough for me to finish my necrons
@spoonsrattling
@spoonsrattling 7 ай бұрын
Damnit now I'm gonna finish my necrons
@legendmir1
@legendmir1 7 ай бұрын
The three doomstalkers I bought years ago can actually do something now!!
@zissoulander
@zissoulander 7 ай бұрын
3 doomstalkers shooting from deployment are a LOT more reliable with full rerolls to hit (and on overwatch!)
@daleodorito
@daleodorito 7 ай бұрын
Considering the normal lord was removed and trazyn can now only surrogate overlords, his profile should be buffed a bit to actually make sense.
@chaoticrevenge7950
@chaoticrevenge7950 7 ай бұрын
Overall the codex was a good thing for the necrons. The only thing that shouldn't have been nerfed so hard is warriors. Otherwise everything else is a good change
@hightower7275
@hightower7275 7 ай бұрын
I love when basically my entire Army gets nerfed
@davidjones4772
@davidjones4772 5 ай бұрын
This comment aged badly.
@NaGa5h
@NaGa5h Ай бұрын
Necrons still one of the strongest armies.
@kieranolafferty523
@kieranolafferty523 7 ай бұрын
as someone who just took two seraptek heavy constructs to a tournament. don't underestimate them. especially with the magnus meta
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
Bro's packing two Titans to a tournament
@DMDuncan37
@DMDuncan37 7 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍
@KhanTotalGaming99
@KhanTotalGaming99 7 ай бұрын
I actually used the LL w/Fulcrum joined to 6 LDs today. Brought them in 3" away for 1CP and one shot a Land Raider that was on an objective
@samg7430
@samg7430 7 ай бұрын
The Emperor works fast, but Omnissiah Auspex works faster
@chaserandalow8548
@chaserandalow8548 7 ай бұрын
trazyn really needs some buffs, particularly to his damage and abilities. Give the empathic oblitetor blast and/or devastating wounds with one or two pips of ap and it's perfect. Swap out his Ancient Collector rule for the rule Tesseract Labrynth, which would allow you to designate one infantry unit in strategic reserves at the start of battle to be tied to trazyn. This unit can now deepstrike onto the board so long as they do so within 3" of trazyn (maybe allowing trazyn to choose between staying in his current unit or swapping over to the new one). This would actually give his body swapping Surrogate Hosts ability more use as trazyn can swap across the board and deploy a unit where it is needed most.
@legendmir1
@legendmir1 7 ай бұрын
I just finished painting mine. dammit
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
Bonus points if the unit's 200 pts or less of any army. Gimme dem Castellan Robots, I wanna recreate his battle with Orikan in the depths of Serenade.
@derklemmbausteinbahner
@derklemmbausteinbahner 6 ай бұрын
Thank You
@johnj.spurgin7037
@johnj.spurgin7037 7 ай бұрын
I'm actually wondering if Deceiver isn't even MORE meta in Hypercrypt, since he lets you put even more of your army in SR, and combining that with Tomb Blade move-blocking gives you insurance for having actual space to put those models down.
@TOOTHBRUSHDUCK
@TOOTHBRUSHDUCK 7 ай бұрын
The necron flyers need hover, and they will become perfectly usable
@Stormhierta
@Stormhierta 7 ай бұрын
I think you ranked the Necron Warriors a bit high in this ranking to be honest. For 1 point less than an equivalent Scout, they have worse rules, worse attacks, worse damage. They are... literal crap.
@MrEyescream
@MrEyescream 7 ай бұрын
I was purchasing my very first Warhammer models a few days ago. I purchased the codex and Imotekh not knowing they are new and preorders so i had to wait for my order to arrive. Sadly, i didnt got my paket yesterday as announced so hopefully tomorrow. I was kinda dissapointed that i dont got my hands on the Lychguards since im absolutly love the look of them, but then the internet got me nervous that they are nerfed to death so i was kinda glad i didnt bought one of them as my very first models. But now with the points change it seems they are not as bad as thought and now im back to beeing mad i didnt have one :( even tho im maybe not playing that much. Since im very new to the hobby, i just bought some models i think looked cool, and im glad the immortals, wraiths and the technomancer are among the stronger Models, even tho im sure i wont play much since i dont have much ppl in my area to play with. im exided and looking forward to paint my very first models :)
@nightwatchm4n
@nightwatchm4n 7 ай бұрын
Lychguard are still badass in the looks department so don't let the nerfs stop you. Plus they can still hit like a truck, it's just that now you've gotta treat them as more expendable than they were before since they don't have all the durability tricks crypteks could provide anymore.
@MrEyescream
@MrEyescream 7 ай бұрын
@@nightwatchm4n what stops me from buying them is warhammer "online not aviable" and my "neares" (over an hour drive away) Warhammer storealso dont had them
@alias-yv2ro
@alias-yv2ro 7 ай бұрын
Seriously dude, I’d say don’t care what people say. Keep up just buying and painting what looks awesome and cool to you. The meta always changes and there’s really no point chasing the meta. And besides, you’re probably not trying to be competitive in this hobby, so don’t listen to people saying “this unit is good” or “this unit is bad”. Every data sheet in this codex is usable in casual games, which is what 99% of us here will be playing. Just enjoy the hobby and don’t be so hung up on competitiveness👍🏻
@Sonofgoku1
@Sonofgoku1 7 ай бұрын
Crytpothralls may not have their FNP natively anymore but they still grant it to the cryptek flavor they are with and give some extra wounds to their unit to increase their survivability. I’m gonna be giving them to every cryptek i can, especially my two technomancers because they will regain a FNP with them leading the unit.
@wesleyhill91
@wesleyhill91 7 ай бұрын
Only issue is that not many people run Precision so by the time you'll get around to rolling the FNP the unit is gonna be wiped already
@u4kell739
@u4kell739 7 ай бұрын
Except that the only case in which the cryptek is going to use that FNP is if there is enemy precision shooting, because you take bodyguard models first by the time the cryptek is rolling saves the cryptothralls are dead
@klonoa7560
@klonoa7560 7 ай бұрын
4 Cryptothralls is either a full 10 man squad of immortals or deathmarks. Or two additional crypteks of choice. You will get far more mileage and impact out of any of those options.
@bitharne
@bitharne 7 ай бұрын
@@klonoa7560 yes; but one squad is 60% more wounds to a full immortal squad for cheaper than 5 more immortals. So it can keep an important squad or two threatening for that much longer. Gunna try it but we'll see how it goes.
@DigitalSniper45
@DigitalSniper45 7 ай бұрын
One thing to point out with Orikan, He can't go in Lych anymore so that makes the decision of which unit to go in very easy ;)
@ryancooper3629
@ryancooper3629 7 ай бұрын
Yup, extremely easy. :) Collecting dust on a shelf because he just can't offset the threat of a Plasmancer or the utility of the Chronomancer. No one is gonna bring Immortals to be a scrappy tanky unit. I feel Orikan is a Tier 2 datasheet without a unit to pair with that makes sense.
@p0werpuppy839
@p0werpuppy839 7 ай бұрын
He's so bad though now because he can't go with lychguard. Warriors are alright with him, but it's a waste of points at that point.
@clementcate4730
@clementcate4730 7 ай бұрын
The cryptothralls can give the "Canoptek" keyword to a unit though, which is pretty cool
@cormoranoimperatore8413
@cormoranoimperatore8413 7 ай бұрын
Useless since if you are taking them in a unit you first added a cryptek which gives the cryptek keyword to the unit
@clementcate4730
@clementcate4730 7 ай бұрын
@@cormoranoimperatore8413 A little redundancy doesnt hurt :p Crypteks can get killed by precision or epic challenge.
@cormoranoimperatore8413
@cormoranoimperatore8413 7 ай бұрын
@@clementcate4730 true, also I checked and giving canoptek is actually very useful because it allows the unit to use the “gives lone operative for a turn” stratagem.
@clementcate4730
@clementcate4730 7 ай бұрын
@@cormoranoimperatore8413 Scratch that, Cryptos are NOT Canopteks, i just checked :| They are pretty much back to being action monkeys. Just... bad design here.
@AggressiveLemur
@AggressiveLemur 7 ай бұрын
Missed opportunity to make it a Necrontyr list.
@chochopete
@chochopete 7 ай бұрын
I miss the lord and the old their number is legion....
@Knights_Oath
@Knights_Oath 7 ай бұрын
Trazyn needs a new model and new rules bad, his model is smaller then Warriors now and is tiny compared to other Overlords. He is also my second favorite character in 40k after Cain.
@ryancooper3629
@ryancooper3629 7 ай бұрын
I mostly agree with everything, though, imo Lychguard aren't a tier 2. Imo they are at least Tier 3, if not Tier 4. They are cheap(ish) but you get a 5" move melee unit that isn't "that" tanky which also can't fight its way out of a paper bag. I'd also probably move Tomb Blades to Tier 1. In the hands of the right player, they are nutty powerful.
@LordCrate-du8zm
@LordCrate-du8zm 4 ай бұрын
_in the hands of the right player_ though. Tier Ones are you'd be actively trying to fail in order to use them badly.
@ryancooper3629
@ryancooper3629 4 ай бұрын
@@LordCrate-du8zm I disagree with that. Tier lists like this speak to the peak potential power of a given unit. not their idiotproof-ness.
@sebastianeraso108
@sebastianeraso108 20 күн бұрын
I was about to buy some leaders but now I see that Vargard Obyron, Nemesor Zhandrek and Anarkyr the Traveler are not included in codex or munitorium manual. What happened to them? Can I still play with them?
@nightingale4632
@nightingale4632 7 ай бұрын
Warscythe lychguard with the translocation lord?? Would be viable?
@glb190
@glb190 7 ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but going over the Point Value list, these differ from your video. For example Doomsday Ark is showing 185 points, not 200 in this video.
@p0ck3tp3ar
@p0ck3tp3ar 7 ай бұрын
Anyone know when the new detachments will be on the warhammer app?
@KhanTotalGaming99
@KhanTotalGaming99 7 ай бұрын
Don't forget the Dominion is a fortification, so in Hypercrypt you can literally lane block with them lol
@Docktavion
@Docktavion 7 ай бұрын
No, they are 0 M without deepstrike. If I remember the rules correctly they can’t exceed their movement characteristics for moving onto the board as they would have to walk on instead of being dropped in. Meaning they are unplayable outside of your initial deployment without using the 3” stratagem to drop one onto the board.
@KhanTotalGaming99
@KhanTotalGaming99 7 ай бұрын
@Docktavion This is definitely not a thing. This wasn't a thing in 9th, and isn't a thing in 10th. Reserves have no restrictions besides not being able to move after you arrive, not coming within 9 of enemy units, and following rules for set up
@Docktavion
@Docktavion 7 ай бұрын
@@KhanTotalGaming99 thanks, I will have to double check where I saw that then, guessing may have been an itc etc ruling.
@chizuru3240
@chizuru3240 5 ай бұрын
Monolith says 400 points in my codex. which one is right now?
@foreverfornever1124
@foreverfornever1124 7 ай бұрын
Oh where to begin.... 1. As a big fan of canopteks, glad to see them all, including FW, be playable, and their detachment is the cherry on top. Love that Wraiths are real good being my favorite model in the range 2. Im happy to see all crypteks get some nice buffs, and again their detachement makes it even better 3. Im glad GW is actually treating all the C'tann as the gods they are suppose to be on the tabletop. 4. Warriors definitely need at least a one point drop to go over better with players for sure, maybe buff the reapers just a tad bit more. 5. Im ok with the reanimator getting a nice points reduction but I would much rather it cost a little more if it got a 6 inch aura. 6. idk even know what GW is doing with Trazyn. Thats the equivalent of GW making the lion or Guilliman powerful in lore but trash on the tabletop. 7. I still hate that the Convergence of Dominion even has a points value. They should jsut be treated like faction terrain like the Sylvaneths wyldwood trees 8. Even though the hexmark got nerfed, there were still some decent buffs with Skorpekh destroyers and the Lord who is actually a better playable HQ option this time around. 9. Again like Trazyn idk why GW thought to nerf the Silent King so much even before the Codex. The literal centerpiece of the range isnt top tier is crazy 10. Lastly, shoutout to the Warden for not only getting a cheaper single model release but also getting a glow up before the codex and then one more with the codex. I predict it in a lot of list
@KhanTotalGaming99
@KhanTotalGaming99 7 ай бұрын
I've gotten 4 games in with Hypercrypt and it's absolutely busted
@pnwprospecting
@pnwprospecting 7 ай бұрын
Why did you say 3 inch for the reanimator when the data sheet says 12 inch for 10th edition
@Trueflights
@Trueflights 3 ай бұрын
because the index data sheets were null and void when the codex ones came out.
@ryankyle2467
@ryankyle2467 15 күн бұрын
29:40- How many of these can you have in a normal army list? Like you mentioned he boosts “his unit”….. I don’t really know what troops is “his unit” but I got his by himself….. a few times! But let’s just say that his unit is the basic unit of Necron warriors! So if I have 4 units of them….. could I technically have 4 of these models on my list?
@supremecourt4131
@supremecourt4131 7 ай бұрын
I want a buff for my beloved scarabs I wish i could build a scarablists
@Khobai
@Khobai 7 ай бұрын
wtf is GW doing that necron warriors are tier 4 now...
@shigjetar
@shigjetar 7 ай бұрын
I think tier 4 is a kinda knee jerk assessment honestly. They were insane before but that was when you built like 1500 points around warriors not dying. Just take them for 250 with a chronomancer or something and they’re still going to be useful, T4 20 wounds, 40 OC, fast with move shoot move and annoying to shoot off the board with -1 to hit. Lots of ways to get rerolls if you want to punch up with lethal hits. You can’t just park them on an objective and keep it the whole game but I think warriors are still a better unit than pretty much anything in tier 3.
@Khobai
@Khobai 7 ай бұрын
@@shigjetar its not a knee jerk assessment though they really are bad now. compare them to firewarriors... which are 8 points each. necron warriors are way worse.
@shigjetar
@shigjetar 7 ай бұрын
⁠@@Khobaithey’d definitely be more interesting at 9ppm
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 7 ай бұрын
@@shigjetar Maybe. BUT considering everything around them being nerfed they didnt need the nerf. Also with their previous ability it gave them the identity as THE premier Objective unit in Crons. Now? There are MUCH better units to take that have much better abilities and you dont loose that much OC and the other units killing power is vastly superior to the Warriors. If the Warriors had been nerfed but the Orb and Reanimator been left alone Id say they would be fine, or if the Orb and Reanimator where nerfed but leave the Warriors alone. BUT nerf them all together and the Warriors are just flat garbage. And that 20 man blob of yours is BEGGING for a Blast weapon to the face where it will average likely 7 to 10 shots. With Blast rules in 10th anything over a 10 man is a liability unless its uber cheap, Gaunts/Ork Boyz/etc, or it is very durable, the way warriors where BEFORE the nerf.
@shigjetar
@shigjetar 7 ай бұрын
@@memnarch129 probably an unpopular opinion but new rez orb is better than the old. I can count on one hand the number of times a rez orb was even used before because the squad was either dead or fully healed from strats/ghosts arks/your turn’s RP already.
@Davidernoob
@Davidernoob 6 ай бұрын
tier 3 has a pretty bad typo
@Knights_Oath
@Knights_Oath 7 ай бұрын
Nurfing the Reanimator from 12" to 3" was too far. 6" would have made more sense as it is not a character. Yet another Codex where all the Super Heavy models are terrible and over priced except the Monolith. Which is only good in one Detachment situationally.
@annoyingcommentator1582
@annoyingcommentator1582 6 ай бұрын
Never really got to play 9th, because pandemic and shit, but wasn't the NIghtbringer already OP?
@Trueflights
@Trueflights 3 ай бұрын
Doomscythe is mostly trash, but it can actually do some silly shenanigans with Hypercrypt Legion. Nowhere near competitive, but it can be hilarious in a fun casual game
@mischa3726
@mischa3726 7 ай бұрын
cryptothralls still have a place as protection against precision imo... just not for 60 points
@danjones3012
@danjones3012 7 ай бұрын
Cryptothralls only gave the cryptek a 4+ fnp, not any nobles. Wasn't really protecting much. Technomancer gives 5+ fnp to the whole unit.
@mischa3726
@mischa3726 7 ай бұрын
ow I guess I misread that, thought it was 4+ fnp to characters... although the crypteks are the ones that needs protection the most, that does make em borderline useless unless maybe there points go down to 30 or 20... sad
@Damnedlegion40k
@Damnedlegion40k 7 ай бұрын
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@nightwatchm4n
@nightwatchm4n 7 ай бұрын
It is uncanny how useless Trazyn remains in-game despite being one of the most dangerous characters in the lore.
@Vash108
@Vash108 7 ай бұрын
They really dont want me to play my army anymore do they?
@rayablackflamecasey3241
@rayablackflamecasey3241 6 ай бұрын
I'm disappointed they missed the opportunity to Upgrade Trazyn. They put him where you expect him in the codex, but his datasheet is so underwhelming compared to the lore that it's just wrong. They could easily have given him minor monolith type powers or downgraded the surrogates he needs to use. To be clear, the dude once summoned 5 armies in as many seconds and is the lord of a Dyson sphere....he could do better than pretend overlord that nerfs to use just a single cool thing this character does. Still love the model too.
@colt4512100
@colt4512100 7 ай бұрын
I disagree that cryptothralls are as bad as they are now. 3w is a flat downgrade to 2w 4+++ but im most cases is mathamatically equivalent, but now that it doesnt havs a fnp itself, it can now benefit from the technonancer fnp, making it slightly tankier in the same combo. The biggest downside is that the reanimation playstyle is less good but i don't think that warrents the unit going from top tier to bottom tier.
@Azuranthem
@Azuranthem 7 ай бұрын
Hey everyone, idk why they just did it now but Dante of the blood angels can now be paired with assault intercessors
@mattk4093
@mattk4093 7 ай бұрын
Still a little confused with everyone considering the thralls useless now, if they go in a squad with a technomancer the usual option for a durable warrior brick, its 6 wounds 5+ FNP, instead of 4 wounds 4+ FNP, still need 8x 1 damage wounds on average to get through them
@liveac3694
@liveac3694 7 ай бұрын
They are no longer able to join Lychguard which was the best place for them. Also the additional wound kinda hurts reanimation since a roll of 3 now revives only one rather than both.
@mattk4093
@mattk4093 7 ай бұрын
yep they've been restricted with less uses, but they still work in a brick of warriors right? Is that too specific a role lol Immortals are one of the only units that didn't change whatsoever but now everyone rates them the best because of a specific dynasty/strat/composition combo... which is only buying 12 mw for 2cp anyway. @@liveac3694
@christopherclayton5500
@christopherclayton5500 7 ай бұрын
It's because they're 60 points. At 30 points they'd have a niche.
@es83stevenson88
@es83stevenson88 7 ай бұрын
Because they don't get the save. The tech does.
@shigjetar
@shigjetar 7 ай бұрын
They’re just too expensive right now I think, but back down to 40-50 points they’d be played again. You just probably don’t reanimate them unless they’re the only things dead.
@zobazoba6418
@zobazoba6418 7 ай бұрын
Can you actually play the index necrons rather the codex ones? Or in sanctioned tournamenr you forced to use the codex stuff?
@GloomyMime
@GloomyMime 7 ай бұрын
Codex replace index
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 7 ай бұрын
Codex always replaces any previous rules. Casually? Yeah you could maybe convince other friends, but in a formal event yeah no you have to use the newest released rules for your faction.
@scape1111
@scape1111 7 ай бұрын
bump the deceiver to the 1st tier, the reployment is huge. take oit wraiths. the ap 1 kills an otherwise nice unit. they do 0 damage to terminators or vehicles.
@zissoulander
@zissoulander 7 ай бұрын
They're not meant to be the sole damage dealers. They're fast moving and pretty tough, with OK shooting and melee. They're meant to push flanks and lightly defended points or hold points with heavy gunline support. Canoptek Court can also infiltrate them which is amazing.
@PatrickSlingshotGuy
@PatrickSlingshotGuy 7 ай бұрын
I'm happy for everyone that likes these changes. But Jesus Christ they literally killed my love for this army. I loved their new reanimation protocols. I loved the warriors. I loved the reanimator. I loved the orb. Now they ruined all of these. I know they had some crazy reanimation numbers and maybe they should have been dialed back a bit. But fuck man these changes literally made me just not want to play my favorite army.
@DeusExMachina10001
@DeusExMachina10001 7 ай бұрын
I honestly don't know what the point was.
@rickkcir2151
@rickkcir2151 7 ай бұрын
Same, I had about 500 points of Necrons, and just stopped. Started building my Dark Angels, since I was torn between them and Necrons anyway. Everything I found interesting about Necrons got gutted. It no longer feels like playing Necrons. It feels like playing data sheets. Everyone saying “but there’s variety now” will be singing a different tune in 2 months when every Necron list is just going to be Tesla immortals with plasmancer and TSlord, Ctan shards, and as many Wraiths as you can bring.
@elnicko4189
@elnicko4189 7 ай бұрын
Agreed, they kind of lost their identity, now they're just "robot"
@Trueflights
@Trueflights 3 ай бұрын
@@rickkcir2151 Interested in hearing how this comment aged since this Codex made Necrons the strongest army in the game currently and the Dark Angels Codex turned out to be one of the worst one so far (right up there with Admech).
@rickkcir2151
@rickkcir2151 2 ай бұрын
@@Trueflights It aged perfectly. I never said the Necron codex will be terrible. I said what made me interested in Necrons was gutted (which it was). I also said that Necron lists will just be Ctan and Wraith spam, which they were. As for the Dark Angels codex. Sure, I wish it were better, but I still like the look and aesthetic of the army.
@ezcombs
@ezcombs 7 ай бұрын
I think the title is wrong shouldn't it be... Necrontyr list?
@davidarbour2683
@davidarbour2683 7 ай бұрын
I’m done with 10ed. They give candy to players and after that retake them before we can playing with it.
@litewavegames3967
@litewavegames3967 7 ай бұрын
a "Necrontyr list", if you will
@RevanR
@RevanR 7 ай бұрын
20:03 oh no! Honestly Silent should be an auto take warlord for Necrons, but seeing him on the middle tier just.....
@liveac3694
@liveac3694 7 ай бұрын
His melee and shooting are kinda mid and his buff aura is mediocre when there is easy access to rerolls elsewhere. For 420p he should be way stronger and more impactful.
@christopherclayton5500
@christopherclayton5500 7 ай бұрын
I'd rather large, expensive models not be auto take. I feel the same for named characters, for different reasons. The Silent King is both.
@musicalcharge
@musicalcharge 7 ай бұрын
​@@christopherclayton5500agreed
@danjones3012
@danjones3012 7 ай бұрын
The silent king has very low defensive stats for the leader of a race. T10 is too easily wounded by almost every weapon in 40k, wounding on 3,4, or 5's against him. Also once his menhir are dead he loses over half of his effective damage potential, something that not even bracketing comes close to doing to other leaders.
@alias-yv2ro
@alias-yv2ro 7 ай бұрын
No, he should never be auto-include, because it’s stupid and turns off people getting into the army when they hear a big expensive centrepiece model is an auto-include for the faction. The silent king is usable and fun tier. He should stay there
@karlwes6273
@karlwes6273 7 ай бұрын
Gw using all their power to make the obelisk the worst unit in every edition
@DtLS
@DtLS 7 ай бұрын
They need to stop dicking over Trazyn and return him to taking over basic infantry models instead of other characters.
@th3summoner
@th3summoner 7 ай бұрын
I don't think you can call Immortals tier one right now. They only have synergy with Canopek Court and and super squishy for being so expensive. Just because there isn't anything bettee doesn't mean they are good on their own. Seems like a tier 2/3 unit with no competition. Plasmancer too.
@henricandersson6340
@henricandersson6340 7 ай бұрын
I think warriors is underrated. They die easier but their damage is much increased. Full re-roll hits with Lethal hits. 20 warriors plus a Chronomancer for 250 is decent i think. You just cant rush forward without thinking anymoore.
@davidefumagalli7413
@davidefumagalli7413 7 ай бұрын
Yea absolutely agree, they could go down in points, but I cant help but to think the same! If for example you have a Plasmancer, and you just sprinkle some Illuminor Szeras on top of those rerolls that's about 8 Lethals with ap -1 at 24". Not backbreaking, but I don't think there's many units that can trade so effectively/ favourably at 24" with that chonky regenerating amount of wounds. And if instead you are targeting something in rapid-fire, those numbers start to go up rapidly. 40 Shots with lethal hits on +5, thats about 20 lethal hits at AP-1 because of Szeras salt. OR Hypercrypt+ 20 reapers warriors+plasmancer + szeras and pop the stratagem for rerolls. Thats now at least 20 lethal ap-2 wounds. That thing right there. Tasty. I think this codex will be quite fun to play around with!
@henricandersson6340
@henricandersson6340 7 ай бұрын
@@davidefumagalli7413The army will play way moore fun. 30 Lychguards march on the objectives and let the enemy try to kill em is boooring. On friday im gonna try 70 of thoose tier4 warriors in Canoptek Court. The only problem is which Crypteks to use. They seem very good and cheap.
@Agadaa93
@Agadaa93 7 ай бұрын
​@@henricandersson6340lol I don't envy your opponent! I'm definitely interested in knowing how that works out! I'd say you might need 2 cronomancers to be able to zoom up the battlefield, perhaps one could go in the smaller uni, and one plasmancer to hold the backfield and ping some damage at 24?
@LegionMTG
@LegionMTG 2 ай бұрын
why isnt trazyn the strongest, lore wise he is the G ? GW surely smoking something
@KelRiever
@KelRiever 2 ай бұрын
I mean, reading through this, I wouldn't army my Lychguard OR my Immortals the way suggested here. I get why, but warscythes for the Lychguard is quite fine, let someone fire -2 AP weapons at them, the warscythe is far better hth. The Immortals do better with their gauss than a tesla, far as I am concerned too. And...also, honestly this shouldn't be argued right or wrong anyway. GW has and will continue to screw up the way people build these models from one, to the other, to a unit they invent to eventually nerf everything already out and make you buy it. That's the real Necron way :)
@kingsting12
@kingsting12 7 ай бұрын
There was a massive wave of denial across most necronplayers when the codex dropped. As bitter as it may sound I am happy Auspex is bringing attention to how much these changes ruined the Necron identity because maybe now enough people will be upset to perhaps bring about some change
@rogeravila7682
@rogeravila7682 7 ай бұрын
wraiths need a nerf fast. that unit is so broken.
@snix7613
@snix7613 7 ай бұрын
Why GW hates croissants so bad...?
@_Lemor2008_
@_Lemor2008_ 7 ай бұрын
It’s actually underrated it looks really good in hypercrypt, but every other derachtmant, it’s not great.
@christopherclayton5500
@christopherclayton5500 7 ай бұрын
Because they have trouble balancing Flyers, and it's better for the health of the game if Flyers are undertuned rather than overtuned.
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 7 ай бұрын
They hate flyers. Flyers when introduced and for 1 to 2 editions after where GOD TIER in every codex. So since they sold a shit ton now they all need to suck completely ass so you buy the NEW HOTNESS.
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 7 ай бұрын
@@christopherclayton5500 Been better if they, and Knights/Titanic/Lords of War, where never brought into 40k.
@christopherclayton5500
@christopherclayton5500 7 ай бұрын
@@memnarch129You're not wrong.
@LuiBei1994
@LuiBei1994 7 ай бұрын
That mega nerf to warriors just made the army not fun to play. If I wanted to play an elite army I'd play custodes
@stephenrepper8118
@stephenrepper8118 7 ай бұрын
As someone who preferred immortals to warriors in the index I am here for this new codex. Quite a lot of negativity but that seems to be par for the course whenever GW releases....well anything really.... Personally after 20 games of throwing dble lychguard bricks into peoples faces and seeing if they can knock them down I'm keen for more builds being viable, even if a few units had to get a kicking for it to happen, they'll have their day again in a couple of years time, the plastic isnt going anywhere
@SignoftheMagi
@SignoftheMagi 7 ай бұрын
Hoesntly...I really don't like Wraiths. At all. Not sure why.
@Khobai
@Khobai 7 ай бұрын
because they look stupid
@user-ho6qj5xi7u
@user-ho6qj5xi7u 6 ай бұрын
Пхахахаха
@akumaking1
@akumaking1 7 ай бұрын
Remember everyone; It’s easier and cheaper to find and print proxies than it is to buy overpriced, FOMO plastic. Stop buying overpriced codices and stick with free rules online.
@TheCrmerry
@TheCrmerry 7 ай бұрын
Cheaper? Debatable. Easier? No way, no how.
@yongkoolee3130
@yongkoolee3130 7 ай бұрын
this man literally crying behind smiling mask.
@TheMaaksel
@TheMaaksel 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, its funny with the 3d printers. I have several (jupiter, 2 saturns, and looking into another) . Sometimes printing is better (bases, bits, etc) but often for full models, by the time you buy the STL, buy resin and ALL the cleaning that goes along with it (gloves, paper towerls, IPA, cleaners, etc) it all adds up to where yes, it is cheaper... but I spend SO MUCH TIME cleaning, curing, assembling... heaven forbid I get misprints. @@TheCrmerry
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