1970 SS396 El Camino was discovered at VOLO classic car sales in Illinois containing a bogus stamped engine. The car was incorrectly advertised as “Numbers Matching” and the pending purchase was stopped.
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@johndeere85943 жыл бұрын
If you can afford to possibly spend almost 6 figures on a car you can afford to pay a professional inspector like this gentleman to check it out.
@Trev0r983 жыл бұрын
No one is denying that.
@trs-80fanclub123 жыл бұрын
Im sure whoever is paying that much has a lot of fake in his life. LOL
@tigermanmccool40373 жыл бұрын
classic car lot in my town got busted selling fakes , the lot got closed & the guy was arrested (I live near Tampa)
@jquest433 жыл бұрын
@@trs-80fanclub12 not at all..wealthy peoplendont get wealthy by being fooled. You have "PoorThought".
@LordCeeJay3 жыл бұрын
If you can afford 6 figures on a car, who the hell cares if a paper has a wrong word on it?
@lelandfranklin34873 жыл бұрын
Lol...bet the salesman was "grateful" for your information...
@davidthompson62 Жыл бұрын
He’s probably the owner mis-representing it.
@adolfoliverbusch47553 жыл бұрын
Guaranteed they won’t change that “matching numbers” part of their attempt to sell this car. They will wait until a lesser educated person buys it.
@serget21683 жыл бұрын
No necessarily and that's why people use Patrick and sometimes the people don't even know and tell you that i just recently bought a 1970 Z28 with the 302 and they thought it was a 350
@swully-ol4lx3 жыл бұрын
that's what they'll do,your right. sad but true.
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
Found the dealership and the thieving bastards are still trying to sell it as a one owner numbers matching original, Hemmings in Volo Illinois and here is their phone number (855) 943-2552. That care is at least $50,000 over priced.
@kenbeattie39673 жыл бұрын
Feel bad for the current owner, bet they bought it as a numbers matching vehicle. Now they're looking at a huge loss in value. Still a beautiful El Camino SS.
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
@@kenbeattie3967 No one bought it yet, it's still for sale on Volo Motors web site, it's like $50,000 over priced. Look up restored El Camenos, the good ones are priced in the mid 30K to low 40K range, Volo is snorting space coke if they think they're going to haul in anything close to 95K for this CLONE Car
@Caddy-rn6sv3 жыл бұрын
When did Matthew McConaughey start inspecting muscle cars??!
@DeputyDeppe3 жыл бұрын
Alright alright alright
@231mac3 жыл бұрын
Well, he did drive a Chevelle in Dazed and confused, lol
@andrewhibbert99583 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing!!!
@joeshmoe79673 жыл бұрын
I would definitely say this guy an Matt grew up within the same area. I notice the same about actor or individuals, when I hear them, I think that person grew up where this other person did etc. It is really noticeable with British accents, as there many variations that are so specific to a certain location. - Cheers
@taelorwatson98223 жыл бұрын
Did you think he only representated lincoln?
@allegory76383 жыл бұрын
What I learned is that I'd rather have fun driving a classic car than worry about concours correctness.
@jeffmiller31503 жыл бұрын
EGGZACTLY!!!!
@stevedail59483 жыл бұрын
If you were buying something as an investment you want it to be what it says it is.
@MrJeffcoley13 жыл бұрын
Yes, but a numbers matching car fetches a premium price from collectors. A driver much less.
@trs-80fanclub123 жыл бұрын
anyone that drops 100k on a classic is not buying the thrill of it at all. Just like a painting, its a very small club of idiots. When did a "SS" become such a piece of art that it needs to be hidden behind glass, untouched, lacks the smell of Smokey rubber, the feel of the drift, the shake of the throttle. DRIVE THEM, HAMMER THEM, ENJOY WHAT THEY ARE!. A friend of mine passed recently at 88, I know he hasn't had a license since the late 80's. I forced him to drive my 2014 Camaro, do burnouts and have fun last year.. The grin was worth well more than a 95k photo. what a waste of money
@dwaynemartin83053 жыл бұрын
95 k ? Smart move.
@PR111-3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea Matthew McConaughey certified classic cars! Respect
@wst83403 жыл бұрын
You beat me to it ! Sounds exactly like him.
@richrocks15163 жыл бұрын
We got 4.11 Posi-Track out back, 750 double-pumper, Edelbrock intake, bored over 30, 11-1 pop-up pistons, turbojet 390 horsepower, we're talkin' some F'n.........muscle.
@TexasNEV3 жыл бұрын
Alright alright alriiiight... :)
@boedude84963 жыл бұрын
voice over
@adriantomlin29023 жыл бұрын
Its side gig for him?? 😂🤣
@Foxtucky3 жыл бұрын
Next time can you show the interaction between you and the salesman when you inform him of the faults? Please lol
@jjchopper023 жыл бұрын
They still have it advertised as #’s matching, best 70 El Camino in the country. Volo Motors in Volo , Illinois
@TractorMan1043 жыл бұрын
Actually it says "correct numbers" which is technically true they were just added later!
@Wheemer3 жыл бұрын
@@TractorMan104 That's not technically true at all. Maybe to a con artist it is.
@jquest433 жыл бұрын
@@TractorMan104 you a thief?
@davidgreen59973 жыл бұрын
It is too bad we can't do this with POliticians. Because they are all crooks.
@steeveedee43073 жыл бұрын
As of April 2021 it is now sold. They discribed it as: 'The matching vin #s and codes are stamped on the trans.' -I'd have read that as 'numbers matching car' and would have been mighty pissed if I'd bought it and then seen this video. I once bought a Mini Cooper classic from an 'upmarket classics dealer' selling cars up to £1 million and that had an engine swop in it that they carefully 'negotiated' in thier discription. When I challenged them later they pointed to their exact wording which allowed for 'interpritation'.
@thomasbrown69703 жыл бұрын
I’m shocked they let you film this in their showroom.
@BACNandEGGS3 жыл бұрын
They want $, buyers want inspection. Notice how nobody is around? lol they are in the back crossing their fingers
@Pantera-wu9ty3 жыл бұрын
Bravo Patrick, sad that a dealer is going to try to push a clone as the real deal................you're my hero
@haroldbates79443 жыл бұрын
He doesn't say it's a clone. Just a can't authenticate the original drive train. All due to the engine stamping being re stamped. Possibly due to block being decked.
@TheVonzipr3 жыл бұрын
@@haroldbates7944 Everything that would truly document the car is replaced or incorrect... Dash and instrumentation is aftermarket, full interior has been replaced, brake master is incorrect, radiator is incorrect, etc,ect. I'm sure the rest of the drivetrain is suspect as well.,. That is not to say the car is a bad car, but for the asking price it is way overpriced. The brothers that run the VOLO Auto Museum are shady as well, and that is why they should have had the car authenticated prior to listing it as such.
@bobmarleystoe3 жыл бұрын
volo cars is a great company theyre not dodgy in anyway
@livewire27593 жыл бұрын
It probably is authentic, but since they didn't document the matching numbers before decking the block and restamping, it can't be proven any more. It's still a hell of a nice car, it's just not perfect.
@tubeofmystery3 жыл бұрын
@@bobmarleystoe Thanks John, you've said that on nearly every negative post. Are you working as their PR firm to do damage control?
@georgeedinger41573 жыл бұрын
Volo,yes, I've had dealings with them. Misrepresentation is a word they know well. They almost got me last July on a. Camaro. Advertised as documented body off restoration,# matching etc. Trouble was, they had no documentation,# match,and was gonna send me the car with a bad heater core, unannounced, for 50 k!!!! Bottom line, if you are serious about buying a classic, don't take there word for anything. Get a credible mechanic,or a knowledgeable appraiser to check it out. Like it said in my sales agreement,send us the money,and it's sold as is. That to me raises questions ,buyer beware!!
@chrishensley67453 жыл бұрын
There,s more LS-6 Chevelles that has came through Barrett- Jackson that were sold in 1970.
@mikeyerke39203 жыл бұрын
Lol
@steveswhirld3 жыл бұрын
lol
@judgegixxer3 жыл бұрын
LoL
@blackericdenice3 жыл бұрын
Damn sure seem that way.
@peterrivney5523 жыл бұрын
I think one was originally a 250 six cylinder three in tree but had SS on it..
@vincentlattanzi83823 жыл бұрын
who would pay 95 grand for a elcomino to begin with
@rickenbacker3153 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't pay that for an ls6 Chevelle. Crazy fools with more cash than brains
@donaldhollums32783 жыл бұрын
@@rickenbacker315 it is crazy insane of how much money is being demanded for cars that were built to be driven and enjoyed. Having a collection at a dealership like the one Glenn was at is one thing, but to stash these vehicles away in a building for just sitting and collecting is plain ole idol worship.
@bradsanford46293 жыл бұрын
Maybe a real ls7 #s matching rotisserie. I prefer black w red interior
@Fa_Qx23 жыл бұрын
@@rickenbacker315 I would under two conditions.... 1) I could afford it 2) It was a one of those "keepers" that came out of the GM vault ! If I'm not mistaken, They sold most of if not all the keeper/concept cars at a Florida auction when they were going broke just before the government bailout. I know for a fact one of them was a 1979 Z28 that read THREE MILES on the odom!!!
@scottpopowski9023 жыл бұрын
Who wants a car pu anyway ah hell no !
@swully-ol4lx3 жыл бұрын
lmbo...you can't get nothing pass this man,and don't even try too because he'll catch you every time! way to go Patrick!😎
@swully-ol4lx3 жыл бұрын
@Bob Watters Lol I know right! dude definitely knows his stuff.
@daves.94793 жыл бұрын
@Bob Watters No kidding. I laughed when he pointed out that nano-detail.
@tadroid38583 жыл бұрын
I hired an inspector in Texas to check out a Mustang represented as "never wrecked". The inspector found that it had a significant amount of bondo in the fenders.
@bowlofsoup123 жыл бұрын
I bet he just stuck a magnet up to the fenders and it fell right off lol.
@nickb95633 жыл бұрын
"We got incorrect bolts here" *Me sweating nervously at my 81 honda that has an 84 engine and a 83 front end and a 78 rear wheel and a 82 carburetor and more junkyard bolts and zip ties than you can shake a stick at*
@davebartels6122 жыл бұрын
Which you are not selling for $95,000.
@MusclecarFred3 жыл бұрын
Hey Patrick, Good to see another great video from you. Keep up the good work and stay safe
@darrensanimalsreptilesfish303 жыл бұрын
My dad sold an authentic car to them. I remember him trying to show them the proof and all that goes along and just how little they cared.
@MikeSmith-cn6ub Жыл бұрын
What's the name of shop? Or you lieing
@mikebrown80653 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your time!! I shared this with the groups I belong to in hopes that others will use your services and knowledge before being swindled!!
@theprofessorfate61843 жыл бұрын
I could have saved him a lot more than that by telling him that no matter how much he pays for that El Camino, he isn't getting a time machine or one second of his lost youth back with it.
@misterhipster95093 жыл бұрын
Numbers matching zealots aren't car guys, they are accountants.
@TurningGuns3 жыл бұрын
Could save a lot of money by switching to gieco.
@Mr.White10-653 жыл бұрын
@@misterhipster9509 that's not exactly true. I know a guy in his 80's that is retired with a perfect all original 57 Chevy. It's 100% numbers matching. He drives it to car shows.
@misterhipster95093 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.White10-65 Wonderful, I know a lot of guys too.
@ericjones97253 жыл бұрын
@@misterhipster9509 I bet you do.
@georgemattar11823 жыл бұрын
To Corvairwild. I worked at Hemmings from 2004 to 2008. I proposed a story on China junk parts then. I was black balled because money is money and most of our advertisers sold China junk. So they refused to bad mouth any China parts. I personally spend $$$$$ to buy NOS parts. As to this video, Patrick is the best. I hate scum bag dealers.
@drivecam1013 жыл бұрын
There's no reason one can't get exact copies out of China. The problem is that it takes EFFORT. If a company wants to put in the effort they could have perfect reproductions made in China or anywhere else. It takes a lot more supervisory effort and knowledge of good suppliers to get it done in China than in the USA. Have to pay one way or the other.
@gibthekid3 жыл бұрын
@@drivecam101 buying Chinese parts is like buying Ikea furniture...there is a shit-ton of work to do AFTER you buy
@Whateva673 жыл бұрын
I read a story about 25 years ago about fake brake pads that were made from compressed cardboard in GM Delco boxes,guess where they were made.
@drivecam1013 жыл бұрын
@@gibthekid No buying parts from US companies that don't watch or care what they get from chinese suppliers means there is a shit-ton of work after you buy. A lot of your made in the USA products have chinese made parts in them. But if they come from a decent company then they hold their chinese suppliers to account. There are US companies whose entire business is sourcing parts in China and holding those manufacturing companies to making good parts. That's because it takes effort. Buy from a company that puts in no effort you'll get garbage.
@e-curb3 жыл бұрын
@@drivecam101 Agreed. I have a friend who had a connection to a manufacturer in China, so he sent them a part to be repro'd. The first example they sent was utter CRAP, so he rejected it and told them to start over, that he wanted it EXACTLY the same as the original sample. The second version was simply spectacular. This 50s part hasn't been available from the original manufacturer for over 40 years. I was selling them on ebay, then ebay shut me down, stating that I was selling "counterfeit" parts. I clearly stated it was a repro part and that I wasn't trying to pass it off as genuine. Great, now no one can have this part for their old car.
@raylaux82953 жыл бұрын
I've called out This Volo Museum in the past. They are fraud's
@paulhewson46003 жыл бұрын
They know already its not #'s Matching,,,,,,
@mikeypops733 жыл бұрын
Ouch
@davem66853 жыл бұрын
I always thought Volo was way overpriced stuff mostly because it’s sold on consignment.
@jacksavage40983 жыл бұрын
Sorry to learn that, thought they were legitimate. Now are just another used beatership.
@trs-80fanclub123 жыл бұрын
they still have it online as a matching vin, what pogs (www.volocars.com/vehicles/16310/1970-chevrolet-el-camino-ss-396)
@michaelmcfeely65883 жыл бұрын
I just want to settle something. It is one thing to swap out an engine. No fraud intended there. But to re-stamp the numbers; that is deliberate fraud. A crime has occurred. Did I get that right?
@ThrawnFett1233 жыл бұрын
No, because it is entirely possible that IS the authentic original VIN matching engine and some mechanic or someone else previously in its life decided to be "helpful" and restamp the engine when it was faded or damaged or whatever have you. The point of VIN stamping laws was to help identify theft of parts, NOT authenticate vehicles for sale later. Up until 95 this would not be an "antique" or "classic" car, so it still needed to meet all road worthiness requirements and go through the standard market for it. And since this was a frame off restore its entirely likely that is stopped driving around then and just sat in a barn before swapping hands possibly many times with no one ever knowing about the mistake. After that it's standard fraud rules, they had no reason to think it wasn't the original engine, they are not obligated to do a full authentication process when there's no reason to think it isn't, and if they find out to the contrary (like this purchase inspector has alerted them) they are NOW obligated not to market it as a VIN matching car anymore since that would be deceptive marketing and fraud (due to the increased value of VIN matching). If they continue to try to sell it as a VIN matching car after being directly told it is not, then THAT would be the fraudulent action. An important thing to note, this isn't a non-VIN match car because the engine is from another car or model and they're trying to slip it by, it is because the restamp has destroyed the ability to PROVE it is still that original engine, regardless of if it still is or not.
@ryanpoloski43223 жыл бұрын
@@ThrawnFett123 would I be correct in saying that the only reason to restamp would be is if the original numbers were damaged during Machining. But if you were restoring a car as an example to make it a numbers matching car you would take steps to authenticate the process because of the potential value involve of not doing so. so somebody is either completely incompetent or this car is a fraud? I mean if I had a numbers-matching car and I knew I had the deck whatever piece which would damaged the numbers I would take steps to have that documented.
@ThrawnFett1233 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpoloski4322 that is mostly correct, but does assume the number wasn't restamped before the restorer/number matching sellers actually got to it. It's entirely possible that someone took it to a shop 40 years ago and they had to redeck the block because it overheated or something and the mechanic being "helpful" just had them restamp it. Owner never knew or cared, sold it on, owner never knew, sold it on, etc. Then later on a buyer looks and sees it is a "number matching" car once that becomes an important thing, and then buys it to restore and sell later. There doesn't have to be a ton of incompetence or fraud involved, just someone not hiring an actual inspector to truly verify before they dumped all their money into restoring it.
@TheducksOrg3 жыл бұрын
does he actually show the altered VIN in this video? seems pretty pointless without it..
@e-curb3 жыл бұрын
@@TheducksOrg The engine number isn't the VIN.
@sammyb.93443 жыл бұрын
Thank you Patrick ... You just saved this guy from taking a 60 to 70 thousand dollar loss💯💪
@steeveedee43073 жыл бұрын
Someone else bought it though and advert still says 'The matching vin #s and codes are stamped on the trans.'.......................
@MikeSmith-cn6ub Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't have been that much even though that thing isn't numbers matching its still worth 70k so he saved him about 20k not 60 or 70k. Come on he Saud its a really nice car just wasn't all numbers matching but really nice I'd still 70k all day so 20k savings
@drewdukes38973 жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for you knowledge of these fine cars. I’ve watched lots of videos and it’s a pet peeve when they say all original numbers matching and then they tell you it’s been changed to a automatic from a 4 speed. So thank you for teaching us all many different things.
@dcan9113 жыл бұрын
If you need an expert grommet-spotter to tell you it is not as-advertised, you can conclude that 'numbers matching' is a bunch of bullshit.
@sugarnads3 жыл бұрын
I hate when advertised 'all original' , they then go on to list, painted, larger engine, changed from auto to manual, etc etc Its like you dont understand what 'all original' means ey? My dads friend has s literally all original 1926 superior chev. Unpainted, unrestored as it left the factory and lived its life. THATS all original.
@dcan9113 жыл бұрын
@@sugarnads who cares how it left the factory if it's got the spec you want...
@jquest433 жыл бұрын
@@dcan911 then dont say numbers match. Dont LIE!
@dcan9113 жыл бұрын
@@jquest43 for me it's like art fraud, or wine fraud, I dont have that much sympathy because the buyers are just suckers.
@michaelvandyke67153 жыл бұрын
Old saying, "Don't believe anything you see, only believe half of what you hear"! Glad you caught the scam!
@TheBandit76133 жыл бұрын
You got that backwards. "Believe Nothing You Hear, and Only Half That You See. Edgar Allan Poe
@roryvonbrutt73023 жыл бұрын
@@TheBandit7613 I thought it was, "believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear or read" .....
@UBeesh103 жыл бұрын
@@roryvonbrutt7302 naw you got it backwards
@roryvonbrutt73023 жыл бұрын
@@UBeesh10 correct.... Half of what you see, And none of what you hear or read...... good catch ‼️®™️
@ytwhite59302 жыл бұрын
Nice work Patrick,I'm sure there are a lot more of this type of "muscle car" than we are aware of.It's guys like you that will put a stop to this.
@theodoredugranrut82013 жыл бұрын
Thanks Patrick, Good to hear from you Take good care of yourself Central California Watching
@davidh73983 жыл бұрын
Your knowledge of these cars is simply amazing.
@alexgolovchenko37913 жыл бұрын
We need experts like you, thank you, Sir.
@jackflackatari3 жыл бұрын
Why is this still listed on eBay and there web site, as a genuine one owner numbers matching car?????
@FINfinFINfinFINfin3 жыл бұрын
It's Volo.
@andrefecteau3 жыл бұрын
if it's on ebay you can "report this listing" and tell them ...ebay will be on the hook so they will take action
@Wildstar403 жыл бұрын
Because Volo sells non numbers matching cars as numbers matching cars out of greed for more money. Short answer: Greed.
@FINfinFINfinFINfin3 жыл бұрын
@@Wildstar40 That's actually fraud.
@djmech38713 жыл бұрын
I just checked the Volvo website and it say “Correct #’s”. Caveat emptor.
@JT-SE-OHIO3 жыл бұрын
Busted somebody's bubble on this one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@ServantofYaHi7773 жыл бұрын
You saved that man some serious money , its a beautiful ride if your into elcaminos . Whats thats knowledge worth to a man about to drop a 100k on a car ?
@sammolloy13 жыл бұрын
The gloss black under the hood is all too common
@hotrodray68023 жыл бұрын
I am quite irritated by the people who falsify data tags and body tags. I worked for a short time with a shop that regularly did that. They felt ok with it because the restoring owner wanted it so he could pass it off as real. Its all about $$$.
@sammyb.93443 жыл бұрын
Seen ALOT of those body tags played with on old muscle cars... If it's too good of a deal to be the real thing.... It usually is
@jbmopar19713 жыл бұрын
Lol Volo strikes again. Cool place to go and see, but this guy was smart sending someone to check.
@mikestalder32043 жыл бұрын
I got burned by them on a trans am I bought 25 years ago . so nothing has changed
@rogjackson3 жыл бұрын
Information is power. Even negative information. If something goes against you, you want to know it. Because then you can take action and proceed accordingly. Nice work Patrick.
@donshotrodgarage17173 жыл бұрын
This is why pro touring these old cars have become so popular. Whomever restored this car and has ton of cash in this car by the quality of the restoration. So all the cash in effort is basically for nothing because the block does not have the original vin stamp! One thing you all should know there is very very few true original numbers matching cars. When I see a catalogue car like this with so many reproduction parts and all the options this car has I begin to doubt it even being a original SS.
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
My dad restored a couple cars, the one thing he told me was that you'll never get your money that you put into them back out of them, that's just the nature of the game. You restore an automobile because you want to, you have a love for the vehicle. I wouldn't buy a damn thing from that dealership, they were trying to screw over that potential buyer big time, just think of all the other people they did screw over.
@nastynate8383 жыл бұрын
right
@louiskats51163 жыл бұрын
Great work Patrick, well done. The poor sales people, now when they try to sell Chevelle's & see Patrick walk in to authenticate, they will be shitting themselves big time. Not him again 😣👍
@paulthesoundguy13 жыл бұрын
As they should.... bogus cars ruin the market
@mattskustomkreations3 жыл бұрын
They should HIRE him to consult on their purchases. Would save them money and especially reputation in the long run.
@Wofski3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad that there are people like you that still do the right thing! Great job!
@livewire27593 жыл бұрын
That's a hell of a nice restoration... but they can't all be 100% factory any more. It may not be perfect, but still a very nice car. I love that Fathom Blue paint too.
@tacomas96023 жыл бұрын
It's a nice restomod sort of thing but the assholes are claiming it's actually a legit special car
@livewire27593 жыл бұрын
@@tacomas9602 Well, this would be a "clone", since they didn't actually modify anything. It's still factory correct, just not factory original. As a '70 Chevelle, yeah it's still special, just not as special as people like to claim. Non matching numbers knocks a LOT off the value no matter how good the "restoration" is.
@maxpower98483 жыл бұрын
Being a nice car is fine then charge 25 grand for it don't try to rip people off and say that it's something that is not!
@livewire27593 жыл бұрын
@@maxpower9848 Yeah, it's definitely not worth what they're asking.
@davidmaggard59753 жыл бұрын
Some one has spent a lot of time and money in that car .great video pat
@ShaneHm23 жыл бұрын
Would love to see more el Camino on here. They are nice looking vehicles
@bilbobaggins47103 жыл бұрын
They're sweet my old man had several
@georgebryan62233 жыл бұрын
I had a 70 SS396 El Camino, just out of high school and loved it !!!
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
My dad said they were rust buckets, his cousin loves those old cars and has a 1971, but he said it seems that during that era of cars the El Cameno's were even more vulnerable to rust
@brianglade8483 жыл бұрын
@@oveidasinclair982 depends on where the car is,if it's in the Midwest,salt will kill the car
@scottlawless88543 жыл бұрын
@@oveidasinclair982 Especially under the vinyl cap. My 70SS was swiss cheese under the vinyl
@Superdessucke3 жыл бұрын
Great work sir! I shudder to think how many fakes have been pushed off because somebody like you was not there to inspect it. Probably in the thousands.
@mikec.27463 жыл бұрын
Just a thought. I was doing a mechanical audit for a customer on a small chain of restaurants he wanted to buy. I was shut down half way through beacuse the owner would have direct knowledge of all the issues I found if I completed the audit and made a report. It would be unlawful for him at that point to sell the restaurants and not disclose the information. Its called "full disclosure". I wonder if the car dealership mentions that the engine "may be" original to the car, or slip that into the sales contract to avoid potential law suits. Just my .02. Great job though Patrick. Keep up the great work!!
@slingshot91503 жыл бұрын
Seems like everywhere you turn, somebody is trying to scam you. I won't buy anything from those people, ever. They possibly made a bad deal and still trying to pass it on .
@chrisneilson72213 жыл бұрын
Patrick is the Sherlock Holmes of GM Muscle Car inspection.
@jimmygrant4243 жыл бұрын
He is a walking encyclopedia of muscle car knowledge!!!!!
@douglasrizzo92103 жыл бұрын
Glad you know your stuff, and happy you saved your customer some grief. As the prices of stuff like this continues to escalate, fakes become more prevalent.
@sergeantmasson3669 Жыл бұрын
I know a guy that did that to a '67 Corvette that he sold to a Chevy dealer in PA. He had ground off the serial number and re-stamped it with the original L88 engine number. It was a 402 CID engine instead. It took a while, but the guy got arrested and convicted for fraud.
@kman-mi7su3 жыл бұрын
Still a beautiful car, I like others here would be proud to own it and have an ear-to-ear smile cruising in it on a nice summer day to the car shows. The price just went down though.
@pyro4life643 жыл бұрын
l live near this dealer and nothing surprises me when it to the cars they sell, it was a lot worse 20-25 years ago! Nice find by the way the would be buyer should be very thankful.
@bobmarleystoe3 жыл бұрын
i liked dealing with volo for my charger nice people
@truckerkevthepaidtourist3 жыл бұрын
is this hemmings a separate division of volo Auto museum or is this the volo Auto family that's been selling muscle cars and antiques for years?
@jackflackatari3 жыл бұрын
@@bobmarleystoe Better have a real knowledgeable person check it out
@carlspackler913 жыл бұрын
@@jackflackatari John didn't buy anything, he's here to do damage control for Volo, check out all his comments. 🙄
@cappystrano13 жыл бұрын
@@bobmarleystoe ya mean ur battery charger?
@notchback933 жыл бұрын
The level of knowledge and attention to detail is amazing to me!!
@antoniop33523 жыл бұрын
Just checked Volvo site. This truck sold and was advertised as “correct #s”. Doesn’t say “numbers matching”, but the implication is there.
@hardknox19173 жыл бұрын
Detective PGN , nice work
@jimmygrant4243 жыл бұрын
I gotta say that is the prettiest shade of blue I have ever seen!!!!!
@jerrydiver13 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad there are experts like this one available for buyers of classic cars to go to and avoid being taken by the unscrupulous.
@dfpytwa3 жыл бұрын
I had one of those in 1988. A barn find all original with 28K miles on it. I bought it for $2500. Some carb cleaner, a new battery and some starting fluid and it fired right up. The paint was a little faded and the interior had about the amount of wear on it that one would expect for the mileage. I had it detailed, all the fluids replaced, lube job, fuel system and radiator flushed, general tune up and some new tires put on it and it ran like a champ. I was planning to take it to a place in Illinois and have them redo the paint job and interior to factory specs when I got some more money to spend on it but that didn't happen. I was coming back to Indiana from Ohio one night a few weeks later and came across a wreck on the highway with all the traffic stopped. Knowing the area I turned off on the back roads to get around the accident and as I came over a hill on a gravel road some dumbass kid had parked right in the middle of the road way out in the country with no lights on to make out with a girl. I wasn't hot rodding it either but I was going at pretty good clip on a gravel road too fast to stop in time and ended up taking the ditch. I hooked a chunk of concrete in the ditch with the bumper and flipped it upside down and backwards in the ditch pretty much totaling it. Surprisingly I was able to sell what was left of it for what I had into it but that was a real heartbreaker.
@LA_Commander3 жыл бұрын
Looks like you need to write an official letter with documentation to the Attorney General of Illinois
@tmerema3 жыл бұрын
They're too busy worrying about multi gender bathroom violations to worry about the average person getting screwed. After 40 years of living there I finally left (thank goodness).
@destroygaryfunky70533 жыл бұрын
Good luck with that,.....everything in the Illinois government is totally corrupt.
@j_rivera20073 жыл бұрын
@Temporary Account red state moment
@ChiefDLK3 жыл бұрын
@Temporary Account Funny cause those are the states where everyone is moving to. Also IL is controlled by Democrats just cause of Chicago. That is what makes the state suck.
@tonyc2233 жыл бұрын
@Temporary Account The left destroys everything it touches.....
@fubartotale33893 жыл бұрын
My dad was a skilled engraver and he would peen over the serial numbers on engine blocks and other numbered components, and reproduce the unique factory style stamped serial numbers by hand. He must have done a pretty good job as he performed this service on several "Bloomington Gold" winners, L O.L.!
@jungleno.3 жыл бұрын
It's probably really hot where he is now.
@fubartotale33893 жыл бұрын
@@jungleno. You are an effing POS pal. He did a job he was hired for, the owner is the one that profited and the one that perpetrated the fraud.
@bighouse16953 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I appreciate the fine details you point out. Your insight is invaluable if you're going to spend money on car that may be too good to be true. Keep up the great videos!
@Rambling_Hick3 жыл бұрын
Much respect, I'm glad that someone is looking out for the buyer an making sure their not getting ripped off
@michaelnotigan77963 жыл бұрын
Money well spent from the would-be buyer to bring in Patrick first for a look. At this point, I have to ask, who created the con, the person selling the car to this dealership? Or the dealership? The dealership, if Patrick talked to them about what they have, should do the right thing and remove the numbers matching label they are trying to stick on this car. Mind you, this is a beautiful El Camino SS, but it is misrepresented as something it is not.
@haroldbates79443 жыл бұрын
What I'm gathering from the video is it is possible to be the correct engine just unable to verify because of the vin stamping on the block. The original could've been machined off by decking.
@dougwebb7043 жыл бұрын
See my impression was that the block had been decked in order to be able to restamp the block with the correct numbers. I would think that if it had been decked and the result would be the loss of the stamped numbers, at the very least there would be photographic documentation to back that up.
@michaelnotigan77963 жыл бұрын
@@dougwebb704 That's the thing, documentation before the decking was done. Aside from photographing the numbers before decking, there has to be other means of backing up the photos that is acceptable to the entire collector car industry and the buyers of these high end cars.
@tylerrjohnson683 жыл бұрын
The best response to "its a numbers matching car" is......"we don't care"
@TitoRigatoni3 жыл бұрын
People who would pay $95k for a '70 El Camino care, they care very much.
@plymouthduster22523 жыл бұрын
Another great video Patrick. Glad to see you saved that guy a bunch of money. I always figured that is was pretty common for people to dress up Chevelles and Camaros and El Caminos as real SS cars when they were not originally from the factory.
@cuzz633 жыл бұрын
Not common for people to restamp the block and claim numbers matching.
@MikeSmith-cn6ub Жыл бұрын
He didn't day it wasn't a SS he just said it was asny numbers matching it'll say SS on title or not hard to fake that. Ding dong
@docbhowe3 жыл бұрын
Patrick I just wanted to comment to thank you for all the knowledge you share. I have learned so much from your videos and was wondering is there a book or something on all these details that I could read? I've never seen anyone with your knowledge of these cars and just interested in learning more.
@lucian63953 жыл бұрын
I'd like a clone to be honest, so I could rag it.
@buellb0y3 жыл бұрын
It’s not a clone. He just can’t prove the restamp on the engine is accurate.
@lucian63953 жыл бұрын
@@buellb0y no I'm saying that I would have a clone so I could drive and not feel guilty
@bruceplumisto3 жыл бұрын
Great job PGN
@deweygill19733 жыл бұрын
Once again, you provide a such a valuable service. Volo should know better. I believe I saw this car or its twin last spring or summer. One of my business accounts is a block away from Jack's in South Milwaukee. The Vonzipr might be on to something
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
That guys a thief, he's still trying to push this car out the door for $95K, I just found the SOB on line
@Patrick.Weightman3 жыл бұрын
These guys blow my mind. We deal with them regularly from time to time at our shop and they never cease to blow me away - it's the little things that stun me, like the difference in spring clamps Patrick pointed out. Any muscle car, they can pop open a hood and spot 100 things is 10 seconds.
@MikeNapolitanoinTexas3 жыл бұрын
Car now shows as "SOLD" on the Volo website.
@wesleeysutton59353 жыл бұрын
Good it’s a beautiful ride
@jamesjohnson40933 жыл бұрын
Patrick Glenn Nichols "The chevelle whisperer"
@hilleryclifford23673 жыл бұрын
Great job my brother.... I don't think people realize how many " misrepresented" cars are out there regardless of make or model ..... this has been going on for a long time now......40 plus years . I personally know the existence of a 1967 camaro ss 350 powerglide hardtop very rusty but all there car got converted into a convertible in the 1980s. cowl tag was converted also. My point? there are many cars in high end collections that are not what they seem . More of these older " high end" cars will be reveealed as time goes on . Keep up the good work my brother!
@rickross65162 жыл бұрын
We live in a world where deceit, falsehood, and FRAUD appears on just about every level on every day! The classic car buyers get ripped off without doing their due diligence. I would hire Patrick in a heart beat if I was planning on spending serious big time money on a Chevelle. Money well spent. Keeping people honest!!
@ShamusOGrady23 жыл бұрын
Dealers don't care about this. You could've gave this diagnosis in front of the buying and selling party and the dealer would ask if they still wanted to sign paperwork
@cappystrano13 жыл бұрын
Exactly, they will admit to lying and swindling and still say” sooo, do we have a deal?”
@noampitlik23323 жыл бұрын
Remember that black on black 454 El Camino SS at the end of Two Lane Blacktop?
@steeveedee43073 жыл бұрын
Not seen that movie in a very long time. Loved it.
@realname21583 жыл бұрын
I did not realize those little hose clamps were a factor in classic "original" restorations. Impressive video. Like to see you let loose at one of the big classic car auctions to see how many of those 6 figure cars sold are actually as condition stated as they say.
@Noskunk4me3 жыл бұрын
Dude, that was impressive. You really know your classic cars!
@GrooveDuude3 жыл бұрын
$95k for a 396 El Camino that even matches sounds way too high.
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
Found the dealership and the thieving bastards are still trying to sell it as a one owner numbers matching original, Hemmings in Volo Illinois and here is their phone number (855) 943-2552. That care is at least $50,000 over priced.
@garylalim17013 жыл бұрын
I bet they have more than that into the beautiful restoration, even though not correct.
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
@@garylalim1701 Some body does, but not that dealership. When you restore an automobile, rarely do you break even and get your money out of it. That dealer doesn't have more than $25,000 in that car, look up a restored El Cameno and most high end restores are only asking in the mid $30,000 range and dealers don't pay that price.
@kennydemartini21693 жыл бұрын
@@oveidasinclair982 I have to agree with your statement that you rarely get your money back on restorations. I've restored many cars for customers, and almost always the cost exceeded the value of the car.
@Mr.White10-653 жыл бұрын
@@kennydemartini2169 its the labor costs that push the restoration cost over the actual value of the car when done.
@michael9313 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they let this guy anywhere near their car.
@ponyboycurtis54853 жыл бұрын
You're in my backyard. I visit Volo Auto Museum 3 to 4x a year just to look at the classics. Authentic or not, some beautiful cars to look at.
@tomhanna89943 жыл бұрын
I saw that car on Volos website . I'm glad the buyer hired you to take a look at it before he over paid for it .
@johncholmes6433 жыл бұрын
I could give zero shits about matching numbers, let alone paying for it.
@mikeypops733 жыл бұрын
Yup
@dirttdude3 жыл бұрын
Concourse judging is a different level of car show, the idea is not only mint AF cars but also and mostly original, original everything, from the tires to the radiator cap. No car that is 30 years old can be 100% original, you know, wiper blades and stuff have to be replaced so they judge cars on that. Is it worth it? Hell no, I'm totally with you, that game is for rich bastards and lucky son of a bitches
@sandyshoremann75243 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's just a curiosity. I build mine to drive with good parts and a good tuneup, that's all. Might cost 25-30G on a solid Chevelle with average paint to get every thing so it would drive well and you would be proud to step out of it. Make mine a '67 SS 396. or a '63 409.
@johncholmes6433 жыл бұрын
@@dirttdude Who cares if it's original when it's alive?! I'll tell you what I've told guy's; would you be ok with all your original old parts, looking old as hell??
@johnbennett32693 жыл бұрын
Overheard at car show: "Hey man the edges are rounded on these hose clamps, they should be square"... "How long have you been insane" ?
@TitoRigatoni3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing you don't hang out with many concours-level car judges, because things like this are very common.
@johnbennett32693 жыл бұрын
@@TitoRigatoni I'm guessing you don't have a girlfriend
@TitoRigatoni3 жыл бұрын
@@johnbennett3269 You guess correct - my wife would be pretty upset if I did
@markpinciotti37053 жыл бұрын
Your depth of teaching knowledge amazes me
@TheMonkdad3 жыл бұрын
You’re providing a valuable service. With the escalating value of these cars and the number of people with so much cash today there are going to be a lot of misrepresented 60s and 70s muscle cars.
@antoniobattle20363 жыл бұрын
Awesome Job in protecting the buyer from these vampires ......
@CORVAIRWILD3 жыл бұрын
I've asked the writers at hemmings a number of times when I see them and musclepalooza to do an article about junk China parts that seem to be on every restored car nowadays
@Superdessucke3 жыл бұрын
Hemmings had an article about this many, many years ago that my grandpa told me about. But nothing in the years since. My guess is they have to tread lightly because their advertisers use "overseas suppliers " No one seems to care so why rock the boat and piss off Year One and the others keeping your lights on? Just this week I saw a seller on eBay selling repo T3 headlights. Just like this car touts. I sent them a message asking where the lights were made. I got a response saying they didn't know, LOL!! Sure they don't. As I said below, I bet you this car is full of Chinese sourced parts, which are highly likely of inferior quality compared to originals. The numbers matching part would honestly be the lesser of my concerns with something like this.
@Mr.White10-653 жыл бұрын
@@Superdessucke I work for a speed shop/restoration shop and we avoid a lot of the Chinese parts. We are fortunate enough to have saved parts for 40 years, so if a customer needs a z-bar, we have one and we clean it up, blast it and re-paint it. A lot of the foreign parts have cheaper metal, they don't line up right, they don't look right and they don't last. Some of the parts get a lot of money, but you are better off with the real thing that might cost just as much or just a little more.
@Superdessucke3 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.White10-65 Thanks for that Insight, you are a noble man. But how is the buyer of a restored car going to know? Are you going to pull each individual piece off and try to find Made in China labels? I would not buy a restored muscle car for this reason. I would get an all original one. The few suppliers online who will even admit it say that they are doing it to keep the cost down to the American hobbyists. LOL! Right. 95k is really keeping costs down. They are also spitting in the face of the mostly blue-collar workforce who buys these cars. They also say that the parts are made to their exacting standards. I don't buy that BS. I just had a Chinese sourced NAPA timing belt tensioner with only 33k on it fail on a 2002 Subaru Outback. Their stuff is mostly junk made with little oversight. I mean, do you want your son, daughter, or spouse hitting their head or chest on the Made-in-China repo steering wheel this car probably has in an accident?
@Mr.White10-653 жыл бұрын
@@Superdessucke a buyer would never know unless they go through the car with a fine tooth comb. You are better off getting a car that needs work and with a solid body. Take your time with it. If it takes 10 years to complete the car, so be it. When you restore the car on your own, you appreciate it more and you can say its your restoration. You'll know what's in the car. It's more feasible to spend $5,000 a year collecting original parts for your restoration than dropping $95K in one shot on something you might have to dump even more money into.
@Mr.White10-653 жыл бұрын
@@Superdessucke we've seen Chinese parts on older cars come in that are just inferior. Bent push rods, z-bars snapping in half, motor mounts that crack. Subaru parts are Made In Japan and I will be the first to admit that the Japanese do take pride in their products they make. You would be better off ordering the part from Subaru (if available) or finding it online and have your mechanic (or yourself) replace the part. I know sometimes people are in a pinch and need their car repaired right away, but a lot of mechanics will order the cheapest part from a parts store to deliver the part right away and get the customer out of there.
@sipzter3 жыл бұрын
Very nice job calling it all out sir! It pisses me off that people rip off others like that or TRY to in this case. Saved your client some duckets.
@FloridaHockeyFan3 жыл бұрын
What a nice video. Explained everything while still praising the vehicle for being beautiful. He did his job without shitting on someone else's work.
@jb17653 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video! Way to keep em’ honest.
@offplanetevent3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting married soon and I'm not sure she is a "numbers matching " girl. My concerns... Her rack may not be original. Her intake manifold may have been polished. Her exhaust seems way too large. She pulls hard to the left. There is a leak of some kind mid chassis. There is an odd interior oder sometimes. I think her mileage is much higher than she is claiming. And I'm having difficulties authenticating her true number. PLEASE HELP!
@toddreynolds88753 жыл бұрын
Correct # to her is 69
@carlspackler913 жыл бұрын
RUN!
@InfiniteBumblebee3373 жыл бұрын
Pulling hard to the left is a deal breaker right there!
@toddreynolds88753 жыл бұрын
@@InfiniteBumblebee337 lmao. If she pulled slightly to the right she'll pass inspection lmao
@toddreynolds88753 жыл бұрын
@@InfiniteBumblebee337 wheres ed from i love your thinking
@CorvetteStingRayLane3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video - Patrick. Have you ever thought about becoming a Judge with the NCRS? I have emailed you before that I am a Judge with the NCRS. (National Corvette Restorers Society). You might want to also consider becoming a Bloomington Gold Judge! I am not, myself personally a Bloomington Gold - Corvette Judge.
@aol113 жыл бұрын
My neighbour had a 1967 El Camino SS396. He drag raced with Don garlits in high school. I remember when the tow truck brought it home because he got arrested for pulling the front wheels off the ground on a city street. It's still in his family and still has a pair of garlits's old drag slicks in the box. Still with the 1968 painted bas boat flake metallic.
@JohnSmith-qd8kl3 жыл бұрын
They still have this online for 95k.... Good luck! It's nice, but...
@TheVonzipr3 жыл бұрын
That car looks familiar. If you could do a vin search on the car, and connect it back to a Jack Wojes of Franklin,Wi. AKA Jack from Jack's Autobody of South Milwaukee, then I can assure you that this car is completely fraudulent from front to back. That individual has been snookering uneducated buyers for decades. Volo Auto Museum is the location that Pat was at .I have been there a few times several years ago
@bilbobaggins47103 жыл бұрын
Some People suck don't they....okay he may know cars what about when he goes to buy a diamond for his woman..... Would you like to get shafted in that transaction????
@TheVonzipr3 жыл бұрын
www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Chevrolet-El-Camino-SS-396/114677878262?hash=item1ab3558df6:g:lpUAAOSwQTxgNwy8. Notice that of all the photos taken there are no detailed chassis photos with floor pan, frame, etc. Appears there is a protect-o-plate which would denote SS. Photo of trans stamp? For me the fact that Volo wants to pass this car off as a 1 owner car with so many replacement items that really should not be solidifies the old adage that car salesmen are snakes. Also I stand behind my statement that the brothers running the operation are involved in shady dealings. They were preaching collector car investment tax shelters 20 years ago.
@67stingray13 жыл бұрын
Great work. You are THE Chevelle Guru in my book.
@howarddavis13073 жыл бұрын
Another good video Its great that your out there too authentic these cars these dealers advertise these cars all the time as numbers matching let’s face it a lot off these cars didn’t make it out off the 70s with the original drivetrain in tack especially the more common ones like Chevelle and GTO unless they were maintained and cared for. Well 👍
@nicksterklad12 жыл бұрын
Good catch Patrick
@musclecars46353 жыл бұрын
Great job PGN! Awesome vid thanks for sharing. I guess the price is about 45-50K now?
@bobmarleystoe3 жыл бұрын
70k
@oveidasinclair9823 жыл бұрын
You're still $15K too high, look on ebay and other sites and see what the others are going for, mid 30's high end, 40's for the pipe dreamers.
@felixcat93183 жыл бұрын
The potential buyer whom commissioned this Inspector to carry out a survey and to write a report on his findings was extremely shrewd to have done so! To have one's own knowledgeable expert examine the vehicle may tell you what the seller won't want you to know, and is an investment well worth making! If the seller genuinely believed that his car was as he described it, perhaps he should have had it independently inspected and published the Inspection Report alongside his sales listing!
@jgreatness79723 жыл бұрын
Damn that's pretty cool that someone like you is out there.