My last F150 oil change was over $80

Don't forget about the time you don't have to spend on those things as well. Time is the most valuable asset, don't waste it on oil changes.

​@That-Guy_ time at service is the one they forget about when they talk about waiting to charge. One response was you drop the car off for an oil change and then you pick it up the next day, easy, that sounds like a massive inconvenience

@@rp9674 Prompto oil changes are like 5 minutes my dude. It's literally a drive through. Meanwhile Teslas current service delivery delay is in the weeks after Elon fired everyone. I'm all for the idea that EVs should require less maintenance, but the current reality is that they're pretty hard to get serviced on a reasonable schedule.

@@ethanwelner1230 I think you have a good point, but Tesla comes to your house, Office or etc to do service on most problems. Elon didn't fire everyone.

That sounds very civilized.

They'd make a cheap commuter car if you could charge the battery and get rid of the hydrogen junk.

@@jamesvandamme7786 Do they have a battery?

@@frankcoffey They're actually hybrids. The fuel cell doesn't always put out the right power when you need it so the battery evens it out. Also regen power goes into the battery. They're not very big, like other hybrids, and they get a lot of cycles so reliability might be a problem.

Dodge dodged JD Powers under the table payouts in 2024. Tesla won't pay anyone for good reviews. Figure it out.

I think they count the Bluetooth not connecting the same as an engine failure

Do you... Know how a survey works? Its measuring the first 3 months of ownership and is a survey asking people if they visited a dealership. If dodge came out with a flawed new vehicle it would have its results plummet.

@@JD-yx7be Sure, bluetooth failure is also like 10 thousand times more likely and an initial quality survey isn't trying to figure out if your engine fails in the first month after you bought it. What is with this comments section and the bizarre refusal to understand what that survey is surveying?

@@ethanwelner1230, but Dodge's 2024 lineup was a carryover from the 2023 lineup, so something else has to explain the complete repolarization from first place to last place.

My favorite in this genre is the local news story of someone losing 12V power and getting stuck in their Tesla. One pops up every few months at least.

​@concinnus Very rarely don't hose news stories bother to show how easy it is to open the door if the battery is dead. It shows the news is lazy or bias.

It's a marketing research group, their business is in creating custom awards for dealerships to post on their walls. Clearly Dodge is their best customer here. Think of the listing more as a membership list of companies that pay the membership fee, and provide their private customer data to outside parties such as JD.

Nobody believes JD Power anyways, you can buy the results you want.

Why? In a sense Ford already made a "deal" with Tesla and Apple. Ford simply hired key people from those companies and created an EV start up business around them. More recently it was reported that Ford even hired upwards of 50 former Rivian employees.

@@RonnieLeeDuck Yes, this correct…but they are just now starting their skunkworks project, this is ready to start implementing now. Even with that, it won’t make it into VW cars until the back half of this decade. Ford has no guarantee its skunkworks will deliver something usable and when and if it does, it will be years after that before it could be implemented. I want Ford (and all US companies) to be able to survive the Chinese on slot that’s coming. Ford should just reach out now to the JV and sign up as its 1st customer.

@@fpartidafpartida I would dispute the notion that the the skunkworks project just got started. I would put the starting point of when Ford started this journey on a zonal architecture to two and half years ago when Ford hired Doug Field. The skunkworks project has been going on for more than year. But Ford has also been working on their T3 truck project for longer than that. I suspect that truck we will see first with the zonal electric architecture. You are right that there is no guarantees. But I think given who Ford has hired, and the way Ford is letting them work separately from the rest of Ford it is a very safe bet Ford is going to get it done. Again, the people Ford has hired has already done this stuff. There is no other partnership Ford is going to use to do this. They will be get to market by 2027. A little late but it's fine. Of course Ford is in a position Keep in mind that this VW/Rivian JV did not happen just because Rivian was so good at software. It was also because VW was shockingly bad. They tried to take many hundreds of software people inside of VW and tried to put them together to work the problem. It was a bad approach. Ford is doing it the opposite way. They are hiring highly capable and proven people from outside the traditional auto industry build it. It is the right approach.

If dodge paid them why would they be in last place in a survey where being in last place is bad..?

@@ethanwelner1230 They are first place with the Dodge Ram, that's their custom award, and where they make their money, luxury trucks. The rest likely relates to which member won the bidding activity for their respective target award. You get ironic outcomes with them when they have to deal with non-members, for example Tesla sweeping *1st,* *2nd* *and* *3rd* place in customer satisfaction in their surveys, where JD apparently struggles to fudge numbers, and then get bad scores in "quality" at the same time - JD putting FSD support calls on the same footing as a falling axle in a Ford Bronco, as a known example. All we know is they get paid to make custom awards every year, that's their business model.

@@AllanSustainabilityFan Im gonna be honest, this feels overtly conspiratorial in a way that the data doesn't particularly support. It would be a pretty bad con if they took money to make RAM first and Dodge last. Like, do the Ram people just not talk to the Dodge people? Did they pool everyones lunch money and only had enough for one bribe?

@@ethanwelner1230 How they decide how to customize an award for each one out of their many members with deep pockets is vague, we just know that's how they stay in business. What we can tell is their fine print often betrays their intentions. Examples: 1. If an old couple call in to ask about operating FSD, that support call counts as an incident. When a customer takes a Ford Bronco in because their vehicle scattered parts across the highway - speaking from personal experience here - then that's an incident. So with this metric, they can say Rivian and Tesla - and possibly Polestar but I don't know enough about them - have as many "problems" as Detroit manufacturers, when we know that these problems generally involve little actual work at a service center. 2. Yes Chrysler group has the worst reliability record of the Detroit three. For example their Jeeps start having issues around the 50k miles range, conveniently close to end of warranty. Their Dodge Charger is known for being top of the list... in service issues. But those, again, are small niches compared to their luxury Ram trucks, where they don't seem to engineer as much "planned obsolescence" there. Likely truck driving customers - especially fleet operators, tow companies and contractors - are not as forgiving of such things. They have one area where they can't skimp, but makes them tons of money, so naturally this is where they would focus their efforts. 3. When JD was rating technology/vehicle experience/EV public charging quality, they were downplaying Tesla's advantage greatly and then putting their high scores at the bottom, with a fine print simply saying they don't meet award criteria. You would then need to follow an even finer print to find out that the criteria is that they don't agree to divulge sensitive customer information to third parties such as JD like the other car companies do. ---- Don't forget that these companies are used to promote many things, for example the other marketing group covered here last week was famous for their role in the opioid crisis, where they paid a $650M fine for public misinformation. Another marketing "research" group was known for its role in downplaying the public health concerns around tobacco for over twenty years. This is just a typical business model, nothing new.

@@ethanwelner1230 As usual, Autoline's filter prevents deeper dialogue... I would simply recommend looking into how these research companies operate, this one and the one from last week are good examples to dig into - the one that was spinning EV misinformation, and was previously fined $650M by 50 states for their role in the opioid crisis misinformation, for example. It's just a known business model, paid misinformation goes back far, for example heavily used by the tobacco industry.

Census from 2020 shows 102 million apartment dwellers and 46 million rural folks. Something like 40% of the country literally cannot have one (even though their tax dollars are paying for rebates for those who can). It's a sham for rich people, once again.

Public level 2 Charging versus DC fast-charging is a huge difference. Electricity ranges from free to expensive, gas is always expensive

​@@MrProy33​ Plenty of rural drivers and urban apartment dwellers drive EVs. Several KZfaq channels have been based entirely on these use cases. Tesla Joy lives in an apartment in LA area, charges at Superchargers all the time, and after five years still has 97% battery capacity. Another guy in Montana has three Teslas. Uses them a lot. No problem. I think it's Rural Montana Family, something like that. Not everyone will be able to make it work this second, but the infrastructure is growing very quickly.

@@davidmenasco5743 Not really, not in any appreciable and market-relevant number. If Tesla Joy lived in New Hampshire where there are 2 supercharger stations in the entire state I suspect it would be a different story.

@@ethanwelner1230 Try this experiment: Open up Google maps, zoom in on New Hampshire, and then search for "EV Chargers." My results showed, in this tiny state, six Supercharger locations, and probably a dozen other fast charging sites. Perhaps your info is a bit dated? Like I said, the infrastructure is expanding rapidly. Walter at the Network Architect Channel is keeping tabs on several new charging networks that are rolling out across the country now. I'm not sure if his info is comprehensive. But there's a lot going on. I believe he mentioned a new installation in NH in the last video I saw.

I wonder how much money they lose on them, and how much the Japanese government is pissing away on them in subsidies. .

Under "waste" 😂

You’re correct in calling this out….I’m guessing it has a lot to do with the “abstraction layers” Hassim kept referencing during Rivian’s investor day video. They probably just used those to translate the commands into the other suppliers API language. While they wouldn’t be bale to charge existing functionality (or reduce wiring complexity), they would be able to prove compatibility. I would love to see the “Frankenstein” Audi they created. I hope someone documented that behind closed doors, it’s historic.

😂😂😂

Wrong!

And like a regular tsunami its just going to cause harm.

Welfare driven to artificially lower prices.. its short term desperation

A Tsunami of cheesy vehicles that are government subsidized and build with ultra cheap labor. Fun Wow!

What's even more amazing is Volkswagen engineers can't figure out how to code software so they look to the Chinese or the Americans.

Rivian developers have to be proud of their work to impress VW enough to bring in 5 billion.

@@TheMadmax0609Adrian can’t even engineer a wiper motor!

@@bobbbobb4663 who's Adrian? 🤣

@@frankcoffey Not sure it takes that much to impress VW.

And gas never goes up.

@@jamesvandamme7786 only with Biden

I can produce free electricy at home via Solar. I'm not aware of anyone extracting oil, refining it, and pumping it in their home.

@@tesla_tap Careful, you might upset the people who make their own bio-diesel by refining used cooking oil :D LOL

I'm not waiting for the two EVs to charge at home.....and definitely not making an errand run to "fill up"

@ianchmp Mercedes F1 factory is in the UK Brackley south Northamptonshire, not Germany.

@@tonespeaks the statement was that power units “come from manufacturers based in the UK, France….” Mercedes the manufacturer is based in Germany, even if the F1 team is not.

@@ianchmp I understand the confusion, but I think he was talking about the F1 teams, not the Manufacturers on the badges. Most F1 teams are based in UK, I think Audi is the only team based in Germany.

Japan currently has huge incentives for building out a fuel cell based vehicle infrastructure, which is where most of this is coming from. The technology is pretty good if the infrastructure is in place, but i have no idea why they kept trying to bring it to california. BEV EVs aren't really better than fuel cell based EVs, in a lot of ways (especially cost, weight and range) they're dramatically worse. The benefit is that we already have an electric infrastructure so you can get fuel by plugging into a wall.

@@ethanwelner1230 The complexity of fuel cell vehicles is much higher, thus higher cost to build and maintain. So many negatives with fuel cell tech at this time. Sadly, I have watched Japanese government officials dump hundreds of millions down the fuel cell money pit, but it seemed to be due to Akio Toyoda pushing this. He has not only lowered Toyota quality, he has hurt Japan. He maybe a car guy and grandson of the founder of Toyota, but he has not been good for Toyota overall.

​@@kevtheobald💯

@@kevtheobald Not really. The batteries in BEVs are wildly complex and electric hydrogen fuel cells have been used for decades. They literally went to the moon. The tech for hydrogen power trains was solved a long time ago. A hydrogen driven power train using electric motors is smaller, lighter, cheaper, and provides dramatically more power output per unit of weight or volume than a battery based system. Both hydrogen cells and batteries are just energy storage solutions and hydrogen stores far more power than lithium. The entire reason we're using BEVs is because they don't require a national overhaul of infrastructure to support. That's also why we're not using trains in north america. BEV EVs are one solution out of many and theyre the future because they require the least work, not because they're the best.

@@ethanwelner1230 Batteries have become much simpler, cheaper, and more reliable. Hydrogen may have better a few decades ago, but the current battery tech uses far fewer materials than the past and judging by no one making Hydrogen vehicles at a profit and Tesla making money on their EVs shows the EVs can be made at a profit while Hydrogen cannot at this time, then factor in electricity being basically everywhere via solar, wind, etc, and a power grid already in place.

That is not power train failures either. It is mostly the infotainment system

Don't forget additional insurance cost and difficulty finding repair techs.

I thought some EV's didn't have dealerships.

This JD Power focused on the first three months of ownership.

They are lumping them all together. Best is to choose Tesla or Kia electric and minimize visits to dealer. Which are aggravating even though warranty will cover the work.

@ranig2848 I miss disagree!! This gives Rivian more runway, which is key to its survival. As the EV market starts to mature Rivian will be well placed to take advantage of the growing opportunities. My fear, is that VW will like Rivian so much that it will buy it.

@@tonespeaks VW acquiring Rivian is a possibility. It would also allow VW to expand their commercial offerings, by selling rebadged Rivian EDVs & ECVs.

@@bob808 In the USA yes... but Worldwide, the products will come from China based manufactures.

POINT: "VW doesn't have much to build on and is falling behind..." COUNTERPOINT: the VAG Mega Corp owns 12 brands: that is, in addition to VW itself they also own Audi, Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, Seat, Skoda, Ducati, MAN truck/Bus, Scania, oh and Rimac/Bugatti which just debuted the $4.1 Million V16 Hybrid "Tourbillon" (of which all 250 examples are sold).

​@@phillyphil1513 Sorry, my error!! I meant only in the EV space. I'm well aware of VW reach and especially the Tourbillon!!!!

Wrong!

I think that was Ford's strategy at one point, promise funding, get in and see what they have, then get out, hope they go under, and pick up the pieces for pennies on the dollar.

There's a website called google. It has the answers you seek.

I would say it's the other way around, VW needs Rivian to make up lost time in EV/smart car design - and they're still struggling either way. Money is spent to reclaim lost time, and the more behind the more costly it gets. Good for Rivian still, this gives them more financial security as they weather their cost control challenges, in time they might become the next major EV brand.

VW needs help with so many things and Rivian needs money. Simple Simon I think.

Well, they make them safer. Take your pick.

4680 and 4695 a simply cell can sizes. Density may vary by company, chemistry, and time.

"will be" more energy dense. Bigger and better. Talk is cheap, as we've seen over and over.

@@snookmeister55 You right because everyone is working to make even less energy dense batteries. /s What people do not understand is that making a denser battery is not enough. It has to be economically priced. 200 and 300 is enough for many people. If we get denser batteries many of these cars will retain that range and become lighter and possibly less expensive depending on the new technology cost point.

@nibotkram7743 Tesla software wouldn't work in other vehicles, it is mix of Hardware and Software.

For what?

So that their drivers would also have to struggle to turn the ac on?

@@ethanwelner1230 Hahahahahaa.... In a Tesla you can turn on and control the AC with your voice or hands. To raise the temp, push up, lower temp, push down. It is that simple. Maybe take a test drive in a Tesla and you will see how easy it is to control. You don't even have to take your eyes off the road, you can use the thumb wheel on the steering wheel.

@@tonespeaks Uhhuh. No one in history will ever use a voice command to change their car tempuratures and literally every car in history has you change the temps by hand. So I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I notice you didn't bring up how MANY hand motions you need with a tesla before you can change those temps. In my car today I can do it in under a second without taking my eyes off the road. You can't unless you want to embarrass yourself and pause your music to give a voice command and then wait a while and hope you picked the right number.

It's always interesting who dealers can sucker into buying these albtross Hyrdogen vehicles. Sadly, most dealers are experts at conning the consumer. Tesla has done very well with consumers tired of being scammed by dealers, but some people never learn.

Opera has like 600 employees and is dying. Elon fired a ton of people and now they're scrambling to rehire them all after a series of disasters. Please do not make up a reality and then post your hallucinations under youtube videos.

And Twitter's value and ad revenue has dropped precipitously because those fired employees kept the hate groups from appearing next to advertisers. BTW, Elon showed his complete ignorance of code development by equating written lines to productivity. Then again, Elon is a fraud and a grifter so no surprise there.

Tesla was founded by 2 dudes, neither of which was Elon, does that mean Elon should fire himself and everyone else?