Dr. Manny talks with urologist Dr. Harry Fisch about the 4Kscore test, a more accurate blood test that can help men avoid invasive prostate biopsies
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@tubocabron5 жыл бұрын
Before getting a prostate biopsy tell your urologist you want a MRI of the prostate, why they don't do this prior to any biopsy other than the cost of the MRI to the insurance company it's hard to say, don't know of any other organ that gets biopsied before knowing if there is anything to biopsy, imagine a breast getting biopsied like a prostate before getting a mammogram.
@sereanaduwai83134 жыл бұрын
This is the reason $$$$$!
@gjmob2 жыл бұрын
I had an MRI and now a Biopsy. The whole lot was free. Thankfully born in Australia.
@healthytipsplus13434 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! The information and direction provided gives me much needed encouragement in dealing with this condition.
@TC-eo5eb2 жыл бұрын
My recent PSA was 5.5. I was referred to Urology by my primary provider. I was seen by Urology twice. Both my primary provider and Urology recommend a biopsy. Neither one of my doctors mentioned that ejaculation within 24 hours prior to my PSA blood draw could cause a higher PSA level. I found this out myself by research on the web. I did ejaculate less than 24 hours prior to my lab work. Why are doctors not educating patients not to ejaculate 24 hours prior to having their blood drawn for a PSA level?
@markymark69482 жыл бұрын
Did u check ur blood results after
@torstenheling38302 жыл бұрын
Because they are frauds out for money!
@shamrock8561 Жыл бұрын
My doctor always tells me not to ejaculate at least 48-72 hours before PSA test
@stuarthutt3740 Жыл бұрын
Riding a bike does the same thing. Check out Dr Abins book the great prostate hoax
@torstenheling3830 Жыл бұрын
@@stuarthutt3740 Yes. I totally agree.
@xfiles-thetruthisoutthere80384 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, wish I’ve seen this sooner !
@otiebrown9999 Жыл бұрын
4k sounds like the right test to do.
@ambrosemhlanga3310 Жыл бұрын
That was precisely because it talked to unnecessary biopsies I thank you so much Doc,spot on
@rayjagger65175 жыл бұрын
Not very likely to avoid many...without some kind of information on the likely hood of cancer spreading while you wait for the score to creep or fly up to the 50% mark or whatever you are using as the action point.
@jeffzest83934 жыл бұрын
4kscore versus pca3. I know my PSA is high, had negative biopsy, and PCa3 below 8 last four years. Now doctor wants plain psa plus mri. Your recommendation? Thanks.
@keithgaler55865 жыл бұрын
The mri is not always accurate. I had Psa 5.7,got the mri and a pidas score of 5, was sent for a template biopsy, told I would need a radical prosectomy and had no problem at all, not even inflamed from biopsy results. No return visit needed. I'll be much more wary of doctors in the future.
@thomaswilliams40565 жыл бұрын
The same with me psa 5.7 pid ra score of 4 going in for a fusion mri biopsy at the end of the month.
@torstenheling38302 жыл бұрын
Don’t trust these mutilators!
@shamrock8561 Жыл бұрын
I had a 4.8 PSA but my MRI did show 2 abnormalities on the prostate. Wants me to get biopsy as the next step . A little nervous about getting a biopsy but I believe based on the 2 abnormalities I should get it done.
@jitendranathjohari85822 жыл бұрын
What are the limits of PSA based on age? How it varies for people is differing nationality,say Indian etc.
@Jimfromearthoo74 жыл бұрын
4K score test
@jimdoyle43455 жыл бұрын
The medical industry has put mega money into female issues. Its about time more money is dedicated into male issues. The operation for men with prostate cancer is brutal.
@ppumpkin32825 жыл бұрын
Part of the Obamacare "War on Men" was to recommend reduced PSA testing. It almost cost me my life. But then I'm only a man. And we vote Democrat less than women.
@jimdoyle43455 жыл бұрын
The month of October is Prostate awareness month. I am very glad you caught it. Yes I agree with you. There has been tons of money placed into female health research. Men have gotten way less. It is time for men to stand up. Especially in the health field and men's reproductive issues. I have been in pain for YEARS. Time to start sifting money to men's health issues. Woman have a LOT of services.
@danhalfhill91695 жыл бұрын
For me, the effects of the painkillers were far worse than the surgery itself. Now figure that one out. And, the operation outcome really depend on patient age/health and surgeon skill.
@gomertube6 жыл бұрын
You think ol' Dr. Harry has a financial interest in the 4Kscore test?
@greendeane15 жыл бұрын
I don't care. PSA does not detect prostate cancer. End of argument.
@zagfan444 жыл бұрын
@@greendeane1 You are so right!
@rexybundy5 жыл бұрын
If you don't have a enlarge prostate, can there still be a chance of having prostate?
@thomascoy31955 жыл бұрын
My PSA was going up and down, the last time it went above 5. I had the MRI done then the biopsy a week ago. I've been peeing blood for the last 3 days now.
@MsAnnvy4 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, my Dad is going to get this biopsy. Are you ok? Did your bleeding stop? Is it really help doing a biopsy ? Please reply your valuable comments.
@orwinabello56695 жыл бұрын
is that screening available already here in phillipines...where we can find?
@chacha96745 жыл бұрын
Go to St.Lukes in Taguig or Quezon City they already have new technology for detecting prostate issues.
@geraldwalsh64892 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Here in Ireland,a high psa always means a biopsy. Had one 15 years ago and it was a very unpleasant experience. I was told it was an infection. Surely antibiotics should be given first
@jamescalifornia29649 ай бұрын
Prostatitis is common with BPH ...
@offshoretinker5 жыл бұрын
'...a dash of diabetes...' There's a guy who takes his health seriously.
@zagfan444 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I found that comment to be a bit odd coming from a doctor.
@rickrick50413 жыл бұрын
@@zagfan44 Are they both doctors?
@markslayton5042 Жыл бұрын
So funny!
@kmensa53019 ай бұрын
MRI is enough for me; if i perish i perish
@jaimesanchez11215 жыл бұрын
What’s the name of this test?
@addagwenlyn96625 жыл бұрын
4K score test
@gitz44114 жыл бұрын
My dad PSA level is 1730 can u please advice
@pcarson96542 жыл бұрын
What there no way it never goes that high
@pcarson96542 жыл бұрын
What if the level is 10 or higher
@sandraredmond4812 Жыл бұрын
What about the 1 in 4 guy whose life could be saved by a biopsy?
@peedee12623 жыл бұрын
Even with mri n bone scan you still need biopsy with high psa (>10), mine is 44! Biopsy will reveal grade of any cancerous cells and if none or low, then it’s BHP. Regardless u need biopsy mostly !
@johnkrowd99435 жыл бұрын
I had PSA 3.2 before biopsy and 3 months after biopsy PSA elevated to 6.11 and now 6 months after biopsy it is 5.4 . I have no idea and my urologists too why that happened.. The problem is that this result suggests to do second biopsy which is really hard to accept... I have no idea what to do next..
@timburle49805 жыл бұрын
3T MRI is what my Uro did in a similar situation. It was also negative.
@johnkrowd99435 жыл бұрын
@@timburle4980 Thanks for reply. What was the pi radis value ? It was some parameter you got from 3T MRI describing condition of prostate.
@timburle49805 жыл бұрын
John Krowd PI-RADS cat 3 thought likely to be some fibrotic change around the region of the ejact ducts
@nenadilic94863 жыл бұрын
Just live normally and don't obsess over numbers, Doctors want patients. Stay away from them. Eat cruciferous veggies and avoid soy, dairy and carbs.
@tomassoyweyvon49022 жыл бұрын
See Dr. Berg, PSA (Prostrate Specific Antigen) explained you tube
@427yenko676 жыл бұрын
But what is the cost
@aslancoach12185 жыл бұрын
$395
@chacha96745 жыл бұрын
You are lying
@zagfan444 жыл бұрын
My urologist told me was "around $500". Had it done, still waiting to see if my insurance will pony up.
@meruvain3 жыл бұрын
Is this blood testing available in India
@doctorlovedoctorlove22382 жыл бұрын
no - Indian men don’t has a prostate
@thomascoy31954 жыл бұрын
I'll never go through the biopsy again.
@macy-ry4fq4 жыл бұрын
@Best Tongkat Ali do you have recommendations? My bf has high grade PIN. Not much info on topic
@shamrock8561 Жыл бұрын
I believe I’m going to opt to going under anesthesia.
@arthro92595 жыл бұрын
The 4K test is flawed as well. If you're on meds that treats BPH, you MUST let the doctor or who ever draws your blood, know. The people who work at the center where the 4K analyzes the blood told me you have to be off any BPH meds for six months, because it will flaw the test if you don't.
@jmseipp5 жыл бұрын
What about herbal formulas like Saw Palmetto Extract etc??
@arthro92595 жыл бұрын
Yes. They told me the same works for supplements. However, I would advise you to reach out to the company to ask for your own peace of mind.
@ppumpkin32825 жыл бұрын
The 4k test doesn't make sense to me. It relies on PSA, digital rectal exams, and prior biopsies. If you do all that just skip the 4k test. PSA's can be meaningless- some of the most severe cases of pc have low psa. digital rectal exams can give false negatives. I would only use it to reduce frequency of biopsies. Maybe every three years instead of one.
@Asahel7174 жыл бұрын
Arthro92, the test can be affected if you're taking 5-alpha reductase inhibitors (e.g., Finasteride) but not if you're taking something like a beta blocker (Tamsulosin). 5ARIs lower total PSA and can affect results. Or, if the lab knows a man is on 5ARIs, they might be able to correct for total PSA before running their algorithm. Good point on your part, however. Thank you.
@williamdenton63175 жыл бұрын
Why is the Free to Total PSA blood test never mentioned. I have had a high psa now for 20 years but my F/T always reads 30, which means I have a 1 in 10 chance of getting cancer. Two biopsies were negative.
@Makinja5 жыл бұрын
Good question. Can hardly find info online about free psa. Most sources seem to address the total psa score.
@howellwebb51933 жыл бұрын
My PSA is out of sight, 113 to be exact. Had bone scan and abdomen and pelvis scan the results was no evidence of metastatic disease. My gleason score was 4/4 (8) which is stage 4. I'm 69 ,should I have my prostate removed and take a gamble on the potential ugly side affects?
@terrellwilliams58292 ай бұрын
That's great! Did you have any symptoms
@ppumpkin32825 жыл бұрын
I had a clear digital rectal exam - no nodules. I also had a PSA of only 4.00 and a relatively small rate of change. Yet I had a high grade cancer with a gleason score of nine. This 4k test relies on prior biopsies and digital rectal exam and wouldn't have worked for me. What he says refers mostly to men who have already had a biopsy. I agree that repeated biopsies may be counter productive. But you never know if you have a serious cancer until you have had the first one. Also remember, these guys are talking statistics. For most men it makes no difference, but if you are that one unlucky one who would have benefited from a biopsy - you're screwed. Prostate cancer can be taken care of if it's caught early enough. If not, it may be a lifetime of chemo, radiation, hormone therapy, urinary problems, and no erections. The mortality rate may be the same of someone who did nothing - but the quality of life isn't. When in doubt take it out.
@19LondBuch725 жыл бұрын
No erections = no life.
@ferdinandblose10365 жыл бұрын
Biopsy is a terrible idea , people were already affected by 12 needless in the Prostate gland now come this. Why are Doctors not all trained the same
@TRICK-OR-TREAT2365 жыл бұрын
A BIOPSY IS THE ONLY TEST THAT'S THE REAL DEAL BUT ITS NOT 100% FOOLPROOF BUT IT'S CLOSE.
@KeyofDavid57785 жыл бұрын
The PSA test is proven to be 80% wrong. Checkout out Doug Kaufmann show Know the Cause he interviews the inventor of the PSA test who admits it!
@Angelflightcrew4 жыл бұрын
Scott Gabelman The PSA test can’t be “wrong”. It simply denotes a level. The interpretation.....that’s a different story.
@sereanaduwai83134 жыл бұрын
The PSA test was originally used to follow up on patients getting treated for abnormal prostate-it was never meant for testing!
@frankmachado10108 жыл бұрын
actually Irattle is a troll, ive seen him on other sites doing the same thing so that clears that up....
@gadsdonflag42898 жыл бұрын
I've seen him troll elsewhere also......ignore him.......CONSIDER THE SOURCE!!!
@catamountmpls Жыл бұрын
nenadilic9486 is one as well
@bablyajmani2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@joellee76456 жыл бұрын
my psa waa 114
@redrose144136 жыл бұрын
then what happened what kind of treatment you are going through
@esmith19406 жыл бұрын
Wow, Really that seems high. Mine went from 3 to 6.7 and my doctor is freaking out.
@joellee76456 жыл бұрын
+E Smiths i have stage three cancer after the number 114
@rakhu19636 жыл бұрын
joel lee that high? Have you done the prostate biopsy or this 4kscreening?
@rakhu19636 жыл бұрын
joel lee sorry that you have cancer. What's your current status?
@nenadilic94863 жыл бұрын
Live your life, don't obsess over numbers. Doctors want patients - stay away from them.
@kervilou5905 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@catamountmpls Жыл бұрын
Stupidest statement I've read today, but it's still early.
@larainewright60037 жыл бұрын
the
@JeemCar5 жыл бұрын
Confusing....
@georgeyu38027 жыл бұрын
yv
@georgeyu38027 жыл бұрын
HK TVB
@Makinja5 жыл бұрын
Now we're hearing about not just a total psa score (which should be lower), but also a "free" psa score (which should be higher). smh
@leayardtucker95795 жыл бұрын
p
@TrumpFoundation8 жыл бұрын
Why is this news?
@tommac21 Жыл бұрын
I'm 57 and won't do any of these. No rectal especially or blood. No need
@danhalfhill91695 жыл бұрын
A blind biopsy is absolutely asinine. 3T MRI first then either image guided biopsy or in-core biopsy. Either way, your gonna get a large object up “there”, followed by 12 or so jabs via sample needle. But don’t worry guys, it’s really not that bad. A bit annoying but tolerable for sure.
@MsAnnvy4 жыл бұрын
Are you sure. My Dad needs to get this done. He is 79. Please let me know if the pain is tolerable for him~?
@Asahel7174 жыл бұрын
@@MsAnnvy, what is your father's PSA? Do you know the size of his prostate? At his age, I would avoid a biopsy if at all possible. Has his MD ordered an MRI? It should be a multi-parametric MRI, preferable at a center that has a 3-Tesla machine, as the imaging is better than on the weaker magnet (1.5-Tesla) machines. He should have more information, and I would hope he's not being sent for a biopsy solely based on elevated total PSA. There are painful, but it depends on the pain tolerance of the individual man. They do run the risk of complications, chief of which is infection. If your father is on blood thinners or an aspirin regimen, he should consult with his MD prior to the biopsy. Since your post is only two weeks old, has he had the biopsy yet?
@MsAnnvy4 жыл бұрын
@@Asahel717yes, his biopsy is done on 17th. Taking antibiotics now. Results are awaited.
@deanreynolds78254 жыл бұрын
@@Asahel717 I had a prostate biopsy at age 78 and payed $200.00 extra to be put out , I did bleed every time I peed but soon cleared up, Gleeson score was 7, yesterday I had the MRI which was very painfull due to placing the coil up my rectum , now I will have another biopsy next month to see if I will need radiation t o have my prostate removed .
@stefanovichmichael96862 жыл бұрын
I had 2 biopsies. Second one put me in the hospital with sepsis. It happens. Never been hospilized in my life, and I was 65.Never ever been that sick, it was horrible. Think mri first.
@charleswind82983 жыл бұрын
Dude your 59 ? Yikes.
@rakhu19636 жыл бұрын
Question. Should a physician assistant be performing a prostate biopsy surgery?
@izmethmarikar86185 жыл бұрын
MY PSA TEST SHOWS 17.5 . and biopsy test Intermediate risk 3-3 what is the best tretment.