AWD Dirt Bike First Test Drive! (35 Combined HP)

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2 ай бұрын

We mounted a QS273 hub motor onto the front of a home made dirt bike to build the world's first AWD gas/electric hybrid dirt bike. Why did we build a 2wd motorcycle? For drag strip launches! We assumed that the extra drive wheel on the front of the dirt bike will add hole shot performance. Were we correct? Find out in today's episode!
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@jasonmartin1775 2 ай бұрын

Heat shield between the battery and motor. Thumb throttle needs to be on the left side of the handlebars. Front motor throttle needs to be supplemental and precise. You don't want that front motor powering into a corner.

@matthewthomas2700 2 ай бұрын

arent you an expert

@sethcrawford6219 2 ай бұрын

They probably aren’t going to ride this thing on a moto track

@Dantheman5127 2 ай бұрын

Would they want the left throttle on the right side of the left handle and the right throttle on the left side of the right handle so that their thumbs can push it?

@amfk8079 2 ай бұрын

he is probably right, you would want to use it like or with the clutch on a track

@NVMDSTEvil 2 ай бұрын

@@sethcrawford6219 who cares about a track? Just riding it around their yard course could have same implications, let alone generally riding it.

@chriscarroll3470 2 ай бұрын

The front wheel motor is NOT the issue, you guys need a different tire(Shinko 241/244) for traction. Go into the app or BMS settings and turn down the power output to about 35% while leaving the speed at 90% and it'll feel less squirrelly when you launch. And put the regen brake on its lowest setting or off! But please change your front tire, it'll make a world of difference Make sure you insulate between the battery pack and the gas engine... AND DON'T CHARGE THE BATTERY PACK FOR AT LEAST ONE HOUR AFTER RIDING THE BIKE.!.!.!. Or it may catch fire 🔥🔥🔥 enjoy

@ianj8505 2 ай бұрын

This guy e-bikes

@thagingerninjer5391 2 ай бұрын

The front wheel motor is absolutely the problem. That much unsprung weight is terrible on a bike.

@stoddern 2 ай бұрын

Not familiar with this kit or it's software but modern RC ECU's usually have a ramp up you manually sett a curve for so on launch you can progressively increase power based on speed over time no matter the throttle input, 1/2 throttle full throttle same ramp to that throttle position every time. Take your time, fine tune this and it'll be a monster.

@SportbikerNZ 2 ай бұрын

They already made it clear in the video they were going to change the front tyre.

@thagingerninjer5391 2 ай бұрын

@@SportbikerNZ it’s not going to help them. That bike is destined to hurt someone.

@Zane.Wellnitz 2 ай бұрын

Put a peddle assist sensor on the wheel. It is meant to go on the crank but if you put it on the wheel the electric motor will kick in when you give it some gas🤙🏻

@braydenhancock3907 2 ай бұрын

I was wondering about that! Nice idea

@Zane.Wellnitz 2 ай бұрын

@@braydenhancock3907 thanks Brayden...

@ianj8505 2 ай бұрын

Lol no because you couldn’t stop.

@Zane.Wellnitz 2 ай бұрын

@@ianj8505 let off the gas, pull the clutch and hit the brake. When you let off of the gas the hub motor will decelerate

@TheColorsInGreyLife 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely this, having the option to have it change it's assist while you give it regular throttle will be huge for ride-ability and traction. A better tire will help, but it looks like it's going to be about consistent throttle input matching with that rear. This is amazing, btw I love it! You'll still have the ability to override with a throttle input through the handle throttle but for regular riding they should now be able to match and feel better during straights and corners. Then when you can go all out on the straights you can override it!

@DyckRyk 2 ай бұрын

Stuff like this is why I love this channel. Naysayers be darned lol keep on keepin on!

@tarenturagroup 2 ай бұрын

Crazy build chaps, you need to plug the black first on the battery, and red wire last. The red has an antispark ring in it which should reduce the snapping like Ike got when he first plugged it in!

@billbong156 2 ай бұрын

Need a Awd Crosskart. Very cool build

@anthonynesbitt3997 2 ай бұрын

They’ve actually done that before they made a cart that had a motor on each tire

@BIllMcCambridge 2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing alot more controllable. With four wheels instead of 2. Would be a neat add on to the dragster they built.

@Dantheman5127 2 ай бұрын

@@anthonynesbitt3997I was watching their playlist but I never found the rest! Do you know the title for it?

@jameswilliams4299 2 ай бұрын

@Dantheman5127 it's called 4 engine go kart

@billbong156 2 ай бұрын

@@anthonynesbitt3997 not the same or your not understanding what I'm saying

@ernestthomas3965 2 ай бұрын

You should really fit a heat shield between the battery and the motor. Lithium batteries become very unstable when they get hot.💣💥🔥

@JasonRayShute 2 ай бұрын

Accidentally prototyped the next evolution in drag bikes 😊

@AllAmericanProClean 2 ай бұрын

That thing needs a front tire with some knobbies. It’ll get traction and then hold on for dear life Isaac

@SRNAR8 2 ай бұрын

Those motors are known to push 50hp max! Would be sick to come close to that on this build!

@drinkmorecocacola 2 ай бұрын

that coupled with a 2 to 1 throttle that kicks the electric motor in after the gas would be awesome

@77nizzova53 2 ай бұрын

They'll do that

@ghomerhust 2 ай бұрын

yep, they need to GET A GRIP! haha

@moto3463 2 ай бұрын

I love this, favourite channel to watch.

@KrisWebber 2 ай бұрын

Charles is looking more and more like 'He-Man!' Another great video guys

@shanewright6958 2 ай бұрын

Another great video guys 👍👍

@drinkmorecocacola 2 ай бұрын

dont let ike hating it stop you from building this thing up. MAYBE a throttle that kicks on at a lower speed than the back tire to mitigate the lack of control? or maybe a tire that grips more? PLEASE continue this build

@alexwirtz3047 2 ай бұрын

Really cool idea. I think a more aggressive front tire will make it handle much better and totally transform how it pulls

@krisley5178 2 ай бұрын

Just pure greatness! I wanna see more of this bad boy. Maybe you guys should make some all electric mini-bikes and race em.

@stevenrogers7917 2 ай бұрын

Oh man you guys inspire me

@BSConservativeGOAT 2 ай бұрын

Wild idea....i like it! Just needs a knobby dirt bike tire on the front

@jordanhorst6 2 ай бұрын

I saw a video about a dual hub motor bike from taiwan (i think), they used a dynamic throttle control for the front motor that adjusted the top wheel speed if it wasn't getting traction. Software stuff, also Electric bike batteries are usually in a mostly sealed box. not strapped down like an automotive battery.

@krisraps 17 сағат бұрын

12:56 + THAT Car On The Lift is COOL AS HELL !

@jbmartin87 2 ай бұрын

You can get "half-grip" twist throttles for ebikes, and i think some can be left hand mounted. I would put one of those on the left bar and put a traditional twist throttle on the right for the gas.

@GrandmaTDawggsCribb 2 ай бұрын

Keyless entry. Nice

@A_river_dirt_cheese 2 ай бұрын

“Shoulder snapper”🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️💯💯💯💀

@bobmanzi7712 2 ай бұрын

great stuff guys thanks

@micah119 2 ай бұрын

Yeah definatly need another knobby up front for more control and traction. Cool build guys

@dustinwilson492 2 ай бұрын

really cool project! the inability to turn might be the gyroscopic effect from that big wheel and hub motor spinning. Thats probably what john was feeling when he said it kept him upright. This would be a great woods weapon. and you can ride quietly when passin 'that one house"

@Lupelu831 2 ай бұрын

That setup would be awesome for hill climbing. 🤘

@Trevor.fb34mm 2 ай бұрын

A great video y'all l, love the content... A great idea would be to use the front wheel for lower HP then upgrade the motor so you have higher end proformance and horsepower too... Idk how great it would work but give it a try if ya want

@jolla9963 2 ай бұрын

Great idea for an enduro bike. Optional fwd would be an advantage .

@1981dasimpson 2 ай бұрын

if you got a cruise control thing for the throttle you could have that press the thumb control as you twist the throttle so in a way both are linked

@Chris-cq5dy 2 ай бұрын

What an awesome project gyes great show ✌️

@josephsaucedo8691 2 ай бұрын

I've built a trike a while Back iv still got it . its a Shwinn beach cruiser conversion with fat tires and a 420 cc preditor to power the back wheels . it also has a diff locker on the conversion and the front wheel 1500w has the electric hub motor so if it ran out of gas the front would still get you home. It was hard to get use to it going form either system because there so different ones push the other pull. that and the spring forks don't help I was also able to still pedal but it is alot more difficult so it really never pedaled I used all low rider parts to make the lighting system in back turn signals brake and a hid bullet head light . It was definitely not cheap to build. But its a awesome trike good for mine mart run or beer

@Luckyj1s 2 ай бұрын

Omg! A fat tire conversion would be awesome on this thing!

@extremecheddarswityomom 2 ай бұрын

Im glad we get to see charles in this video.

@gazvlogs7459 2 ай бұрын

ya'll gotta combine those throttle cables too now!

@bryduhbikeguy 2 ай бұрын

My plans for such was a 'Hose-Clamp' with a bolt to hit the thumb throttle for the electric while using the gas.That way you could leave the gas off and use the electric without hinderance, and without the battery on, vice-versa.

@Jay-lc1nh 2 ай бұрын

I'd try integrating that thumb throttle into the collar and offset it so it engages the rear tire faster. Nice job guys.

@bryduhbikeguy 2 ай бұрын

Yes ! A Hose clamp set-up with a peg hitting the Thumb throttle when it's moving and need the front for hills and power pulls .

@steby123 2 ай бұрын

C&C leading edge tech !!!!

@72twist 2 ай бұрын

if those metal straps work their way through the battery casing, it'll short out and cause a huge fire. Also need some heat shielding between lipo and engine. Store the battery at storage voltage (around 3.7-3.8v per cell).

@Buck1954 2 ай бұрын

This reminds me of having a 4x4 with a locked front axle in ice. The truck just wants to go straight. Front wheel drive cars have always been a little goofy in slick conditions to me. The powered front wheel just looses traction. A knobby might help slow it down and grip, but I think it's going to be screwy in turns.

@Beezenberry 2 ай бұрын

Like Dr Frankenstein. You have created a monster. Good job. 👍

@RandysRides 2 ай бұрын

Yup. Knobby front tire. Make some custom fairings, a paint job, and that would be fun for bush trails and hill climbs. Set the electric's power down, though.. it'll spin instead of pull.

@madboostmark 2 ай бұрын

That thing is fast!

@matthewlacelle9422 2 ай бұрын

Best hybrid bike!

@johnlease2369 2 ай бұрын

Cool project,, I build 2x2 motorcycles. They can be a little funky to steer in corners.

@revodrvr 2 ай бұрын

Put a treated tore on there. Also regen is kool cause u can charge the batter while riding with the gas engine

@jonathanjames1864 2 ай бұрын

Try different pedals assist settings. On my ebike, setting 5 is all the beans (22+ mph)& 1 is only for like 8 mph. I use 1 when I set off & click up to the higher settings as I get going. It could act like gears.

@benjaminflack9264 2 ай бұрын

Cant wait until you guys dial that thing in!

@nathanwest4605 2 ай бұрын

Charles, that hair is starting to look like Ishmael in Kingpin.😂Loving the build, guys!

@matmichalke5734 2 ай бұрын

You guys should definitely build a trike, it would be so wicked!!!

@user-lu2vt8cv3m 2 ай бұрын

For twin throttle control, try rigging up a lever from either the front or the rear of the twist grip that pushes (or pulls) the thumb throttle in sync.

@Blas4ublasphemy Ай бұрын

You need RWD to turn

@jerzie1015 2 ай бұрын

Good job I like it

@stevenwalton7508 2 ай бұрын

Love it should put the clutch lever as the throttle though 😂😂😂

@richardhatt6541 2 ай бұрын

So Charles decided on getting a 'Thundar the barbarian' hair cut??? I needed a rental car for training, and I decided on saving gas and got a Tesla. I am used to bigger gas engines. I wanted to see what it had for speed from a stop. I was impressed at the no bogging and straight speed to the wheels.

@amccomie 2 ай бұрын

I love it. Here's an idea, swap the throttle mechanisms if possible, use thumb throttle for the electric.

@underbird 2 ай бұрын

Maybe get regen braking working on the front. I wonder if you could use an encoder on the rear tire to compare rpm and prevent front wheel spin

@douglasfehler553 2 ай бұрын

Get the motor out and put anouther battery in and move the front wheel to the back and then see how she goes itching the gas motor was not strong enough.or if you can figure the electronics out go with a gas generator and then operate the wheel next choice I s get rid of the motor add a battery and add a rear power wheel. Lots of ways to experiment.

@TomTom-gx1sm 2 күн бұрын

Nice. Discovering the channel, I hope to find a video about battery build :)

@travish9378 Ай бұрын

I have this exact same NB Power kit on an ebike frame that weighs about as much as a pit bike and it's insane. Easily capable of 60+ mph and so quiet you can sneak up on wildlife. A meatier tire would be much better, but with so much torque, it's going to spin anyway. A really cool idea would be to transfer the ebike parts to something like an fl350 Odyssey with the electric throttle mounted to a pedal

@SportbikerNZ 2 ай бұрын

Good vid. With proper practice and application of power at the right times and amount, you will become adept at riding it. Even with the weight of the motor in the front wheel, it'll be lighter than some of the older motorcycle front wheels. Back when they used huge alloy castings, heavy twin rotors setups - that was a lot of front wheel weight before modern times lightening everything. This isn't going to be drastically different. Keep it up 👍👍

@klove2966 2 ай бұрын

I love how John plugged his ears instead of putting on the muffs that were around his neck.

@adamlarson5976 2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah I've been waiting for this video

@danieljonhson6367 2 ай бұрын

You need to put a little tab on the twist throttle so when you twist it, it pushes in on the thumb throttle at the same time.

@DktheWelder 2 ай бұрын

What a cool bike haha ! Knobby tire and see how it goes in the mud keep it up

@NVMDSTEvil 2 ай бұрын

needs a knobby front tire. Can controller use a speed or RPM sensor input? Might put one on rear tire or drive sprocket to provide some input smoothing or ability to control through just single thumb throttle or twist grip so you dont have to use both at the same time. Maybe also an idea is to make it a fat bike using ATV tires.

@Gabe________ 2 ай бұрын

Could you compare speed and acceleration of this AWD setup with a standard propulsion setup: big chain, gas engine up front and electric motor on rear wheel hub ?

@davessparetime83 2 ай бұрын

You need a knobby tire on the front. By the way since the electric motor has a sprocket on it put the wheel in the rear and combine it with the gas motor chain.

@braydenhancock3907 2 ай бұрын

Most likely this is just the stock tire. They will probably swap it later on also you can’t do a chain since you’re steering

@TheRealKosmicKing Ай бұрын

You can’t put the electric hub in the back because it’ll end up turning faster than the engine moves the chain, causing binding. I understand why you’d think this is a good idea but there’s a reason you don’t want two power sources on one wheel

@braydenhancock3907 Ай бұрын

@@TheRealKosmicKing set it to coast mode/pedal assist and it will work. Just a small motor will do

@TheRealKosmicKing Ай бұрын

@@braydenhancock3907 but with the setup they’re using on this bike it won’t work like how he’s thinking. If they used a different setup then yeah but not for this

@dooleytaco5092 2 ай бұрын

Charles looks like he's a little lad who loves berries and cream 😂

@jonstorey6414 2 ай бұрын

Can't you try and fit an alternator to the engine? To put some charge in the electric motor battery.

@bobsbarnworkshop 2 ай бұрын

I think you can program the controller to accelerate softer, more of a slower ramp up.

@JPspinFPV 2 ай бұрын

The brake switches are normally closed to cut power when you apply brakes.

@user-cg1ki9gt4p 2 ай бұрын

westport loving you peoples drive.point and get it done is how our country was made.

@jasonpetrich4141 2 ай бұрын

Now i wanna see a battery powered trike build that would be so cool, so dam fast with that battery or 2 of them

@Nagato524 2 ай бұрын

as someone who built a hybrid ebike with the same concept i can vouch for the sketch factor. Though my front hub motor was only 1000W. and my engine was a 100cc bicycle engine.

@civicrocker 22 күн бұрын

You guys need to incorporate the thumb control and the butterfly on the carb of the gas. It’s most likely just a hall sensor in the thumb control.

@dubtruker733 2 ай бұрын

Put the thumb throttle on the other side. I’ve built a few sleeper e-bikes with twin motors and I find it’s the best way to control it, even better than both set on the same throttle. They now have a 17” 5000w wheel with a motorcycle sprocket so you can run it on Asian flat Honda engines like your CTs. That will be my next build but I will use two e-bike 36v batteries to make battery mounting easier.

@StingrayOfficial 2 ай бұрын

I remember seeing a Rokon when I was a kid, I always thought 2x2 motorcycle was such a cool idea.

@geemy9675 19 күн бұрын

Hybrid is cool. you can use front motor to bump start the engine., regen to brake, recharge the battery when cruising etc. adding a second electric motor in the rear coudl be fun too. maybe also mote controllable because it would balance weight to the rear , and you could control front and rear motors with the same electric throttle so you woulnd have the delay between instant torque in the front and the delay of the gas throttle reving and building power.

@ckfpv 2 ай бұрын

I have a thumb throttle on my scooter and that should work your tbumb will do just that like yall are thinking 💯💯💯

@drewanderson8279 2 ай бұрын

I think you need to hook up the electric throttle to activate when you go w.o.t on the gas throttle. Just like a nos switch. Or some form of that concept

@starfox_wr-45e93 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if you could put a tab on the twist grip that activates the thumb throttle at the same time... 🤔 I'd try using maybe hose clamping to secure the tab.... *for testing purposes.

@dpdesignfab 2 ай бұрын

I tried a few different ways to do the dual throttles for AWD, twist / thumb combo, WOT switch, etc., none worked very well. Ultimately I integrated both into one throttle with adjustable FWD / RWD bias using a Cycle Analyst e-bike computer, makes it easy to tune the electric throttle in proportion to the gas motor however you want. Awesome work, looks like fun!

@gasman1143 2 ай бұрын

can you adjust the speed controller to feed in the power more even.

@TheMidnightcwby 2 ай бұрын

Weld and grind and repeat till you get something like the notches you want 😊. Put a sheet of aluminum road sign under it and clamp that down so your material your adding doesn't stick to that too. It makes less material to grind flat again when you get the metal built up inside where you'd like it too. You'll probably have to triangle file it flat to make it more like a machined finish and less welded metal finish though and that's time consuming.

@twiztid5741 2 ай бұрын

What did the electrical tire battery and wiring harness cost? This looks so fun.

@AimlessMoto 2 ай бұрын

2 things - 1: put a rear tire on the front, and 2... get an electronic thumb throttle and a cable throttle (twist) for the gas engine. You don't want to have to re-train yourself to ride a dirtbike... so keep it standard... then use the thumb throttle as the "boost" function with the front wheel.

@mrglasecki 2 ай бұрын

Enjoyed 🤗

@Yosser70 2 ай бұрын

if you can get enough weight over the front, that dual drive could be good for drag racing. Use the electric for the hole shot then bleed the engine in. Or somehow link the throttles. Wouldn’t do it on a bike though, maybe a trike could work.

@nazareibigelow1149 2 ай бұрын

i saw a sprocket on the electric motor in the first vid and as wondering if you could just put it on the rear with the connected to it

@charazardmike4407 2 ай бұрын

a fix for the odd throttle, try the twist throttle on right, and a lefthanded thump throttle.

@jonhurd9697 2 ай бұрын

😆 🤣 "The shoulder snapper 9000!"

@amazing_bobson 2 ай бұрын

All caps and bold....OMG!!!

@michaelcrebbin7328 2 ай бұрын

You should make a clamp on the twist throttle with a arm coming off to contact the gas throttle at the same time just a thought that might work

@davidjernigan8161 2 ай бұрын

Never ridden a rokon or one of the e-bikes with dual hub motors but I can see that it would be challenging

@dimitribrzeczyszczykiewicz8044 Ай бұрын

This would be a gamechanger in some heavier adventure bikes when you get stuck in mud , or crawling up some loose terrain, but only to be used then as an aid. Also could give a way to reverse a bike in tought places. And yh, electric motor throttle should be on the left. Please try mudding in the future and crawling up some loose rocks or gravel :D

@exceptx Ай бұрын

Crazy build! I gess that part of the stering strangeness is because u guys changed the position off the front wheel. If you place it under the shocks it should turn better.

@PunkCoverMoose 2 ай бұрын

I gotta see this data against doing it with a dirt tire! I’m going to be honest I thought it was going to be dumb too but I’m digging this. You might be able to get a better top speed by gearing the gas engine a lot taller and utilizing the torque of the electric on take off. I feel like this would work with a dirt tire 😅

@seanmcqueen2186 2 ай бұрын

Really need a precharge resistor between battery & controller. (Probably a circuit breaker too) the spark is because the controller need to charge its capacitors inside to work and its trying to pull as many amps as possible as soon as you plug it in. Doing this too many times can blow the caps and destroy the controller.