B650i Aorus Ultra Overview for Mini ITX Build

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@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

FINALLY! someone reputable is reviewing this. Bought it for my Ryzen 7800X 3D / 7900XTX MIni ITX build in my Cooler Master NRP200Max case

@pronstorestiffi Жыл бұрын

What GPU vendor did you go with? Was thinking of switching my Ncase M1 out with the NRP200. Sadly the Ncase is very limited to what GPU's fit.

@doxydoxdelamanca9902 Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Wendel, by his own admission, doesn't do too well in front of a camera. But the moment the engineering/tech gears start to rotate in his brain, boi does he relax and does a great job in front of the camera. I think this is also true when he's interviewed, say by PcWorld, etc. Well done, #Level1Techs and Wendel.

@Rycoda Жыл бұрын

He said you needed to buy something extra for 7800x3d? Can I know if you did? Lmk thnx

@andrewvirtue5048 Жыл бұрын

Cant wait to get a build going in the Fanteks Torrent Nano because of that wonderfully huge 180mm fan.

@DMRVR Жыл бұрын

Literally the EXACT build I’m doing right now! How’s it been working for you?

@Ashandaeri3 Жыл бұрын

Wendell. Man. Keep doing what you do. Your crazy projects give me hope for my own.

@jmpotero Жыл бұрын

Been looking for a video about these ITX AM5 boards for a while, thanks!. Love to see how this one compares to the ROG STRIX B650E-I

@denvera1g1 Жыл бұрын

I have a 7950X locked to ~80w driving 10 16TB drives and 4 Optane 905P(960GB) for a compact TrueNAS Scale server. Little did i know that the iGPU requires adding ROCm to get it working with kubernetes/docker/apps. Little did i know that my dreams would be shattered of an ultra low powered all in one server that can both record live TV with Plex, transcode using CPU on TDARR, and allow me to remotely replace those files from a backup recording server in case either the recording, or transcode failed. Right now any kubernetes/app cannot access a directory with an active SMB share, the image wont even start up if the SMB service is running. So still need a seperate machine to record and transcode, and my file-server-only box now has a 7950x, when a 5350GE/12100 would be more than enough for this use case. I'm just glad they're working on the issue, and i hear TrueCharts are doing something with ROCm, i dont know if its on a per-image basis for their repository(such as TDARR, PhotoPrism, and JellyFin), or if its going to be a ROCm image that enables the GPU for all other images

@tanmaypanadi1414 Жыл бұрын

is there a forum post about this build I can follow along just out of curiosity? I am quite interested in reading how capable the igpu and your adventures.

@Level1Techs Жыл бұрын

I just ran into this too! Worse has some problems even on 22.04lts getting Rocm deployed. But getting there... Fast...

@denvera1g1 Жыл бұрын

@@tanmaypanadi1414 I only (edit: plan to) use the iGPU for playback transcoding within plex/jellyfin, and i didnt get ROCm working(still might not be working) before the kubernetes image was no longer allowed to access the files. What i might do is revert to my old file server as primary, and just put windows or Ubuntu on this for now, that would make it eaiser to add a PCIe TV tuner for Plex

@inh415 Жыл бұрын

Do you know what this systems idle power at the wall is?

@denvera1g1 Жыл бұрын

@@inh415 Not of only that machine, but 120v 1.3A including the following microtik CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+RM (48x1G 4x10G 2x40G) Edit Nevermind the 3400G system, that was asleep HP Elite Desk 400G6 SFF with 9700 32GB RAM, 16TB HDD(technically a spare for my main server), a cheap NVME, and an RX 6400, exposed enough to the internet so i can use steam in home streaming on my break at work, though i think lack of encoders is causing issues A set of fans to exhaust air from the enclosed rack.

@quickben2090 Жыл бұрын

Really looking forward to this. Had a plan to build this as well.

@lilblackduc7312 Жыл бұрын

Good job, Wendell! Your reviews are my favorite...🇺🇸 😎👍☕

@danytoob Жыл бұрын

Awesome-ness! Running my first Gigabyte MB (B650M Aorus Elite AX, 7700X) and have been thrilled. Everything has just worked, nothing buggy. About to install the GC-Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 add in card and expecting great things, especially after I get a Gen5 Nvme (soon as prices normalize to actual user level ...lol). Thx for all your hard work (and next level pearls of wisdom).

@assyriaaaaa 7 ай бұрын

Did the GC-Maple Ridge card work? Full speed? Compatibility issues? :)

@itsdeonlol Жыл бұрын

Nice job Wendell!

@samo9288 Жыл бұрын

I'm planning the exact same build with the B650i and Jonsbo case for a Home Server upgrade. Hopefully the ECC DDR5 gets sorted as that will be a deal breaker for me

@JohanFlodqvist Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see the ITX server since I really didn't see it as an option for my new server. But maybe I should wait with my server build if the N1 turns out to be a good alternative. In that case I hopefully avoid the devorce that might be coming with building a server in an old R5 case and put into the laundery room wich was the original plan.

@lilblackduc7312 Жыл бұрын

Good luck with that...😁

@JohanFlodqvist Жыл бұрын

@@lilblackduc7312 I just realized I have already been thinking about doing this when LTT did a video on this. I will wait and see what Wendels opinion is on it it before going into action tho :)

@22Chazzels Жыл бұрын

Excited to see this series. I have been looking to build in the N1. Need to downsize to something that can be tucked away in an apartment. Was skeptical of using those m2 adapater though my use case is not mission critical.

@FluxStage Жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you!

@RobBCactive Жыл бұрын

When I saw Zen4 could support ECC I thought the 7600x could make a nice little server with the iGPU allowing more NVME to cache SATA HDD. So many seemed to miss the application though the 7600 is better priced MSRP, only where I live the 7600x has fallen below 7600 pricing. Just knock off a little peak boost frequency, undervolt and restrict the TDP a bit and cooling should be no issue, while losing hardly any performance.

@loopback2 Жыл бұрын

Did I hear fine? Did you say that there is a workaround for motherboards that do not offer PCIe bifurcation??!! 😮

@pawelgrund4540 6 ай бұрын

how were you able to detach that fan connector for the M.2 fan ? I almost ripped it off and then read on the internet that others are also struggling with that...

@colonelangus7535 Жыл бұрын

I'm stuffing a 13500 into a supermicro 3u 16 bay chassis. UHD770 for transcoding, and one heck of an upgrade from my old dell r510

@juliosalguero4638 6 ай бұрын

Hey does anyone know why m2a is not showing m.2 but the one on the back does.

@RonMizman Жыл бұрын

That motherboard is so sexy. I have an ASROCK B350ITX Fatal1ty gaming board and it has been amazing, I just upgraded to a 5700X cpu so I will be sticking with that system for some time but am just admiring how hot that board you got is. Dayuuum.

@plonk420 Жыл бұрын

love that dig @ 7:45 💚

@Rippedyanu1 Жыл бұрын

I am indeed a crazy person with a Jonsbo n1, 100% plan to use this series as my step by step tutorial (maybe diff motherboard but it looks like a great Mobo for this) to build it out

@dfgdfg_ Жыл бұрын

Do the 3.5inch trays have 2.5inch screw holes to support SSD drives?

@Rippedyanu1 Жыл бұрын

@@dfgdfg_ will check tonight and let you know! I don't think it does as they don't look like traditional trays

@kyleanderson1043 Жыл бұрын

For the ECC memory there was a BIOS update after this video was posted. From reading some reddit posts it seems like the possibility of ECC is a thing again?

@ianpruett7825 Жыл бұрын

How are the iommu groups on this motherboard? Did you need ACS patch? Thinking of using this for single gpu passthrough and using the igpu for the host

@bakakafka4428 Жыл бұрын

Can't find it over here. Supposedly came out a month ago, no store carrying it here in EU. Anyone seen it here?

@Barncore 5 ай бұрын

I'm doing a build with this motherboard at the moment... do you reckon it's worth taking off the stickers of the thermal pads for the m.2 slots i'm NOT using? E.g. I'll be only using the top slot (so obviously i'll take those stickers off), but not the one underneath, or the one around the back. Should i take the stickers off the ones underneath anyway just in case? Or should i keep it on in case one day i do use it?

@stevenswall 2 ай бұрын

Anyone getting 1 long 2 short beeps on this mobo? I've disconnected the GPU and tried three sets of RAM both dual channel and single channel. Gigabyte doesn't publish beep codes.

@philipdijkstra Жыл бұрын

You are looking healthy Wendel 👍🏻

@Goodmanperson55 Жыл бұрын

ITX is getting crazy these days because of how much they have to cram. I wonder how different it would have been if those ITX-only "chipsets" like the X300 that AMD once planned were more popular. Maybe we wouldn't have as much insanity with all these daughterboards and breakout cables just to make ITX functional.

@CycahhaCepreebha Жыл бұрын

What frustrates me is that instead of capabilities I do want, like Thunderbolt/USB4 or 10GbE, they decide to cram on things I couldn't care less about, like audio. Or four RGB headers but only two SATA ports? Come on!

@puciohenzap891 Жыл бұрын

Any burnout issues with this one? GB doesn't even have a BIOS update for this model for the SOC Vlimit, F4 only?

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

I ended up returning my 7800X 3D for the 7950X 3D for this motherboard and currently in the middle of my build. One of the few with 3-m.2 slots

@kasimirdenhertog3516 11 ай бұрын

What was wrong with the 7800X3D?

@MajorisMons Жыл бұрын

How do I turn the little fan off?

@user-nl5yl9qx6b 8 ай бұрын

Think I should take my WD Sn750 pit of its heatsink for installing into this MOBO?

@atero7081 Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see how long does it take to boot with which BIOS settings. It seem very inconsistent between memory brands and frequencies. I've runing same mobo in air cooled formd t1 with 7900 PBO'ed to X specs and 6k CL30 G.Skill. But even with MCR enabled it would take up to a minute in most cases to boot into the windows... So in the end I decided to downgrade it to MSI's B650 which seem to be much more stable and posts much faster with same memory :(

@justan1ck Жыл бұрын

what is the name of the M.2 to 6 x Sata cable Adapter? Where to get it?

@meccu19 Жыл бұрын

Wow, I need somehow how to bifurcate x8 x8 and install full size gpu for node 304… any idea how to do this ?)

@carloscervantes836 Жыл бұрын

So how would you rate this vs the ASRock B650E PG ITX you reviewed?

@bothellkenmore Жыл бұрын

I chuckled at the Jim Gaffigan moment after you said lilliputian and then used a different voice to represent us, the audience😂

@jewishkidney Жыл бұрын

really wanna see this mini itx build!

@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover Жыл бұрын

This channel should have 2 million subs..

@RANDOMNATION907 Жыл бұрын

*_PLEASE ! !_* Review the Asrock B650m HDV. Thank you.

@waspoza Жыл бұрын

What's the power consumption when idle?

@CycahhaCepreebha Жыл бұрын

If this had been an option on zen 4 release, it’s probably what I would have gotten. Unfortunately, no reasonable mITX offerings at that time, so I got the X670E ProArt instead. It’s a shame mITX motherboards usually prefer outright wasting capabilities that the CPU and chipset offers, like just throwing away all those extra PCIe lanes instead of letting us use them to stick more M.2s on the back.

@stockscrypto101 Жыл бұрын

Right now the mobo cost 260 still to much once it goes to 140-200 I’ll buy it

@spidah6228 Жыл бұрын

@@stockscrypto101just got mine at microcenter for $180

@smokyz_ 8 ай бұрын

@@spidah6228 Damn thats cheap. Here in EU where I live its 320€.

@chadhowell1328 Жыл бұрын

The gigabyte aorus x570s itx board would thermal throttle and CRASH my sn850 constantly if I left the heat sink on it. I ended up having to take off the heatsink and place a small Noctua fan in the case to blow across the ssd to keep it in check. Hopefully that doesn’t happen with this one

@pankothompson5903 Жыл бұрын

im considering N-ATX V2 kind of ssf but with full ATX to get 4 m2 ports

@MichaelHazell Жыл бұрын

I am looking into building a NAS/storage server at some point within the year. The situation with AM5 motherboards not supporting ECC is really frustrating. Like, even $250-tier boards are not supporting ECC. What is going on here? The previous generation supported it.

@MrKony98 Жыл бұрын

does anyone know if it is available anywhere in Europe?

@beyshadow Жыл бұрын

Doesn't this board have the bugged intel network card?

@ChristmasCrustacean1 Жыл бұрын

I was hoping you'd check this out, not only does it have a lot of m.2 expansion but because of the fact the the i/o die on Zen4 has 2 RDNA2 CUs means that for server use you effectively you don't need a gpu and can run a pcie 5.0 m.2 card in the one pcie slot for loadsa fast storage.

@CycahhaCepreebha Жыл бұрын

You theoretically can run five PCIe5 NVME on this motherboard. It's not advertised anywhere, but the x16 slot will let you set it to gen5 speeds in the BIOS, and it supports x8/x8 and x4/x4/x4/x4 bifurcation. That's one gen5 M.2 in the marked slot, and then four more on a gen5 breakout card. The motherboard isn't sold as supporting PCIe5 on the x16 slot, but given that it's a relatively short distance from the CPU and is surface-mount soldered, chances are good it will work, which is probably why the BIOS includes the option. Gen5 x4/x4/x4/x4 bifurcation cards aren't a thing yet either, but given how little time it took between gen4 SSDs entering the market and ASUS selling a gen4 bifurcation card, it's probably not far into the future. Definitely will be expensive though, gen5 pretty much requires a redriver for that sort of thing.

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

This was the only Mini ITX MOB that had more than one M.2 slots

@deadman5985 Жыл бұрын

Nice Review 👍 So few choices for AM5 Mini-ITX 😩 Planning to build a Mini-ITX NAS with Fractal Design Node 304 so 4 SATA ports is really a must. Just waiting for the new APUs - want to run a VM on it and exclusively assign the iGPU to it so I can play some games on my TV on it aswell 😅This board and the MSI MPG B650I Edge are the only ones providing 4 SATA connections I am aware of.

@CycahhaCepreebha Жыл бұрын

I've been trying to pass the iGPU through to a VM since zen4 release, to zero success. If you do figure it out, let me know, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. What does work is passing through a dGPU with nothing plugged in, while your monitor/TV is connected to the iGPU. Wayland won't crash when you start the VM because that's a separate graphics card, but anything DX11 and up (which thanks to DXVK and Proton includes most games) will be able to use the GPU to render even with nothing plugged in. Similarly a Windows VM can use the GPU to render things it then displays over RDP.

@deadman5985 Жыл бұрын

@@CycahhaCepreebha Interesting, thanks for the info! I heard that there were issues but some could solve it with vbios blobs but that was for older generations...I guess I will see when they hopefully release some Desktop APUs this year.

@deadman5985 Жыл бұрын

@@CycahhaCepreebha If you look in the unraid forums for 5700G iGPU Passtrough one guy on page 8 seem to have solved it, hope this helps!

@CycahhaCepreebha Жыл бұрын

@@deadman5985 I know exactly what you're talking about, I found that thread too when I first started looking into this. It came to nothing. I have since actually gotten a 5700G, and even with a dGPU plugged in, cannot find a way to pass it through to a VM. Even if I had managed, it's not necessarily going to work the same for the zen4 iGPU, given that it's not only a new architecture but an entirely different purpose ("basic diagnostics" vs "low-end graphics card substitute"). Given that it's an iGPU, it's very possible that successfully passing it through depends not just on the CPU, but on the motherboard and BIOS version.

@deadman5985 Жыл бұрын

@@CycahhaCepreebha I see you did a lot of research, too bad it didn't work :( I won't get my hopes up then but I will give it a try nevertheless when I build it and let you know if I had any luck :)

@revelae Жыл бұрын

no worries i have a liliputian memory

@braincruser Жыл бұрын

The 7900 is simply the 7900X in 65W eco mode. You can enable the eco mode on any of the AMD CPUs, even the 7950X. People seem to forget ECO mode in these discussions. Just because the 7950X comes at 170W(230W PPT) by default, doesn't mean that you aren't able to configure it down. Same goes for 7900X/7800X/7600X or even 5000 and 3000 CPUs.

@Gersberms Жыл бұрын

What I haven't really figured out is, is my (aging) overclocked 2700 at 4 GHz as fast as a 2700X at 4 GHz?

@Bob_Smith19 Жыл бұрын

You mean it’s the 7900 not over clocked. Why pay more when you have the same performance?

@spiralout112 Жыл бұрын

God this Jonsbo vid can't come soon enough. Wendells finally gotten to me and I've decided to sell my half rack with a handful of old R*20 servers, spent the entire weekend going over hundreds of parts and builds and came to basically this. The only question is can I do 96gb of ECC with 48gb dimms, only 64gb means I'm gonna need another mini PC node.

@ozark.wolf94 8 ай бұрын

I have this board and cannot get it to POST. I can't even find BIOS version F2

@hdjoe22 21 күн бұрын

Same problem here. All parts work on a different mobo, but this one won’t post. Did you figure it out?

@ozark.wolf94 21 күн бұрын

@@hdjoe22 my m.2 had a damaged pad and it was preventing it from posting

@hdjoe22 20 күн бұрын

@@ozark.wolf94 i managed to get a usb fat32 to update it and it posted right up finally 👍🏼

@blackhawk1211 Жыл бұрын

Hi Wendell! I'm very interested in a NAS build in the exact same Jonsbo case using the exact same motherboard. Would love if you created a video on that build.

@Level1Techs Жыл бұрын

I did, it's on the channel just about a week after this one

@BarisYener Жыл бұрын

Sadly this Mainboard is not available in Europe. Maybe gonna import it... :((

@habana7638 Жыл бұрын

yeah unfortunately, I found that out two weeks ago (Netherlands), I wonder what the reason for that..🦚😠

@jimbroom4036 Жыл бұрын

👌 gotta play dablofour mini edition

@tyyuuuihycyctct Жыл бұрын

keep us updated on the ECC RAM test results please!

@MindstabThrull Жыл бұрын

80 TB of HDD storage (4 20TB HDDs) plus 24TB of NVME (3 8TB Sabrents) to play with in an ITX configuration? Sounds like fun!

@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar Жыл бұрын

I would put this pretty baby board in a HAF 932 , the piece of resistance 😂

@kellgameingha 3 ай бұрын

I use all the 4 stats ports that's I have with 2 TB ssd

@bikeomatic8005 Жыл бұрын

I’m not exactly sure why but I decided to skip current latest gen of pc hardware (cpu’s and gpu’s) and will wait for next gen to see what’s out at what performance and power.

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

For my 7800X 3D build I ordered G.Skill 6400mhz 32gig ram I'm hoping it'll play friendly with it and I can get those speeds.

@Bob_Smith19 Жыл бұрын

Good luck, you’re gonna need it.

@ozark.wolf94 8 ай бұрын

Well, did you do it?

@mdball94 4 ай бұрын

Where is the front panel audio connection?

@ttomkins4867 2 ай бұрын

Backside of the IO cover above the m.2 stack, you can just make it out in the video at 10:30

@jmwintenn Жыл бұрын

i don't understand why ddr5 was released when you take such a hit on capacity if you want speed and vice versa.

@cmoullasnet Жыл бұрын

All I want is a modern consumer ITX board with 10GbE 😢

@nathanwiens108 Жыл бұрын

I'm just kind of stuck with Asus since they include a Temp sensor header on their boards, until I give up on the meme that watercooling has become these days.

@directionalstennis 10 ай бұрын

Does anyone know the name of the case at 19:40? It looks very nice and I want to use it for my build.

@samo9288 9 ай бұрын

Jonsbo N1, Although you might also want to look at the Jonsbo N2

@genx156 5 ай бұрын

Ah... all the rear of my Motherboard is cooled - I have a GAMEMAX BRUFEN C1 case 👍👍

@carlb641 Жыл бұрын

Great review. Currently buying the parts for my new rig now and I am torn between this and the ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I itx board? What's your take on the Asus b650 board?

@EduardoReyesDPM Жыл бұрын

just waiting for ECC confirmation

@adrianivasku6400 7 ай бұрын

I want to pair Ryzen 9 7950x with this motherboard. Does it work well ?

@masterx5533 6 ай бұрын

Yes, this is motherboard design cpu am5, so yes, it can fit.

@meccu19 Жыл бұрын

They suppose to create same tiny card for even with more sata, or other options ))

@advil000 Жыл бұрын

If the F4B BIOS is roughly the same on this board as it is on Gigabyte's others like my B650 Aorus Elite AX... Gigabyte pulled F4B off the site several days ago. I tried it and it was hard to get the system to post consistently with it. Mess with any bios options and it would just crash completely. Luckily, a couple of days ago Gigabyte replaced it with F4 final (non Beta). It works much better, but they left at least one feature out of the BIOS on my board. The ability to disable DDR Power Down is gone. Hopefully it makes a return in the next BIOS version. And yes, running my Hynix M Die DDR 6000 at 6200 is nearly impossible without more voltage than I'm comfortable with.

@advil000 Жыл бұрын

Yes, I see an F4 (non B) on their site right now. And F4B is gone. Try the new one. It will work better.

@trousersnake1486 Жыл бұрын

Well Im sold.

@vincentvega3093 Жыл бұрын

This is going into a ghost s1 with a 7950x and a rx 6800

@tanmaypanadi1414 Жыл бұрын

ohh no I am late to please the algorithm

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

They made that m.2 fan very hard to get out. Not sure why.

@declanmcardle Жыл бұрын

@11:00 "Why does he never review our stuff?" " I dunno, tell marketing to call something the Gulliver model and see what happens..."

@Zoyx Жыл бұрын

I guess the days when ITX boards cost less than $100 are gone.

@hdjoe22 21 күн бұрын

Bought this board. Refuses to post. Board turns on, fans on, ram is good. Will not post. I tested all the parts on another, atx Msi board and it booted right up. Crap gigabyte Itx

@Bob_Smith19 Жыл бұрын

Had a system w/ a 7700 in a NR200 case w/ 32GB of RAM and a Noctua air cooler…..$1185. I will hold off on upgrading from a 5700X at that price. Performance gains aren’t worth it.

@mannyc19 Жыл бұрын

Hard ? Its also almost 2x as $$$ compared to comparable Intel ITX.

@gabest4 Жыл бұрын

I hide all my cables with a non-transparent side panel.

@1stRanger Жыл бұрын

7:30 Are there passive fans? :D

@vlmxs Жыл бұрын

I am an itx type of guy 😅

@Phil-D83 Жыл бұрын

Do they make am4/am5 bios mods as they did for intel boards via the tweaktown forums?

@aleckfedorkiw4005 Жыл бұрын

Have a request have a unraid server and lockerstor 6704t bit have dual 2.5gb ethernet and looking for a wifi that has dual 2.5 gb, Find that manufactures are using dual 10 gb instead on new equipment and no 2.5gb. Can discuss why this is happening most home users don't need 10 gb and the added cost is not warranted. Looking forward to your response

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

sorry but memory XMP support is very poor I've tried three different brands of 6000-6400 memory and they all crash the system and only run at stock 5600

@pomps8085 4 ай бұрын

Did you ever work this out?I want to upgrade to am5 but keep hearing this so I'm put off

@shea8830 Жыл бұрын

I’m here because of ASUS’ fumbling of the 7800x3d fiasco

@Zokeh 5 ай бұрын

But does it have BlueTooth?

@masterhandwalker3764 Жыл бұрын

Wendell, you need to buy some new clothes. Your weight loss is showing through them. Great job btw

@baumstamp5989 Жыл бұрын

itx is actually more niche than the impression you might get from all the hype around it. ppl build itx to have "the smallest" even if it means trade-offs that you wouldn't have if you just accepted the jump from ATX -> µATX as sufficient in terms of less spacious. itx is hard to keep cool with high end components. compared to µATX the boards have to cut corners (almost literally) to get at least the bulk of stuffs on it that is on the original design. also the price of µATX with the same specs sometimes even UNDERcuts the ATX pendant. while itx is on a whole other level , JUST for the reduction in size. with µATX the reduction in size comes free and you dont get castrated all too much in terms of DIMM slots, USB, VRMs, GPU fit, PSU fit, disk fit....AIRFLOW & features. YES. there IS a justification for itx for sure. but certainly no other than having to accomodate to furniture that does not offer space for ALREADY existing very slim & tidy µATX cases. apart from dimensions it is a downgrade.