No, Sennheiser didn't sponsor this video, but YES - we just dropped the update for 2024!! - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6-nmrmruM--Zmw.html
@koryotaru46622 жыл бұрын
So glad to see Crinacle get the recognition he deserves.
@lorenischangstonhughes2 жыл бұрын
Crinacle is the Messiah we don't deserve
@hennwei2 жыл бұрын
The Shang Chi of KZfaq audio reviewers.
@beliveinurself2 жыл бұрын
Crinacle and Oratory1990.
@inigopatch4202 жыл бұрын
true
@doggothedog77442 жыл бұрын
Shout-out crin!
@deepanchatterjee17492 жыл бұрын
Brian: "it's impossible to make audiophiles agree on something." Literally everyone : "HD800S ✓ " 😁
@grantmckenzie7872 жыл бұрын
I ain’t got the money to spend on that, it’s worth more than my entire pc
@uhsund2 жыл бұрын
@@grantmckenzie787 Same here, and I have a 3070.
@ElvenMans2 жыл бұрын
It's almost like it's a bait for people with money lol, damn affiliate links.
@pk.0022 жыл бұрын
You could get an HD 8XX for a better price if you know where to look. The HD 700, though a maligned headphone, is also a great choice for gaming and can be found for far less. I spent $280 on mine and they can be found from $250-350 used. The soundstage is massive and they're extremely comfortable. They're also great for music with the Modhouse mod/Anaxilus mod done to reduce its 6k treble spike and with Dekoni Elite Velour or Fenestrated Sheepskin pads applied. They can be EQ'ed with the oratory1990 parametric EQ as well which brings them to the Harmon curve if you opt to.
@nanyabiznus4738 Жыл бұрын
@@pk.002 maybe you bought a used one. HD 700 cost 700 even more on usa. and HD800 cost 1500. i doubt you got HD700 for one third the price.
@Ericdanman22 жыл бұрын
Did i just watch a 15min Sennheiser commercial?
@JoshFKDigital5 ай бұрын
right...
@K1M013 ай бұрын
I would rather buy a whole 15kG gaming pc setup or a rtx 4080,4090 than this 350gm Headphones
@houssamalucad7532 ай бұрын
@@K1M01 which makes you kinda weird, getting a few more fps (which is admittedly nice if you have the monitor for it) instead of a direct improvement to your immersion in story games and competitive advantage in FPS games. There is one thing I agreee with you, it's that the 800s is way too much for gaming, 200$ IEMs and headphones like the PC38X already get you most of the way in terms of sound, it's diminishing returns from there, but it's the same thing for PCs, a 4080 price increase over the 4060 for example is not correlated with its performance increase
@AusOpening2 ай бұрын
It's widely accepted in the headphone community that Sennheiser makes some of the best sounding and comfortable headphones, peak german engineering
@Cicadicsaint2042 ай бұрын
@@houssamalucad753I get your point but right now, I have a sh***y laptop that even lags on the simplest of games that are new, even on the lowest setting possible. Can't even play apex or fortnite above 50 fps on a good day. Was surprised that headsets costs more than my dream laptop/setup. I was expecting a more "budget" than a audipohile's budget recommendation on this video, which I luckily got from Crinacle with the Etika headset. I expected cheap headsets that at least matches its value(like below 50 usd) despite the soundstage being below what audiophiles like for their taste, at least it gives out the most with its price idea. I know the sennheiser gaming headset is already budget and can give the most value as these people recommended in the video, but honestly, I still wouldn't spend THAT much on a headset if I don't even have "gaming" peripherals, like a gaming mouse(I'm saving). Honestly, my immersion VISUALLY is more important than what I'm hearing. But true, the diminishing returns are mostly for the hobbyists/audiophiles. On a side note, anything you can recommend that is at least below 50 to 80 usd?
@that_biker_boy55502 жыл бұрын
Can I just put it out there that I really loved the format of this video! The way that everyone gave their honest opinions and handed over to the next guy, and evening introduced the next speaker etc. I thought was classy and gave a real sense of community between these audiophiles/gamers etc. The world needs more people/reviewers/videos/gamers like this! ✌️💚 Great review video, easily one of my favourites! 👌
@Oridemos2 жыл бұрын
Im gonna love how comfused people are from zeos that are not used to his style of reviewing lmaoooo
@ZReviews2 жыл бұрын
They will get use to it, just like the national deficit or lower back pain.
@Lorantula2 жыл бұрын
@UCqZ8bJCt19zoolusQBqevjA I like Zeos for entertainment but his opinions are wack. He pushed the GL2000s saying they were great... they are BAD.
@balazsdusek2 жыл бұрын
what the heck is this lmaooo I read this comment before seeing that part and I was prepared for anything but this xD
@artin51462 жыл бұрын
@@ZReviews number one weeb on the internet
@HFCR2 жыл бұрын
Zeos is the man. I die laughing with his analogies when describing headphones sounds 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Oridemos2 жыл бұрын
Can we just talk about how he got Zeos AND fucking Crin in the same video?!?!?!?!?!
@ethan76332 жыл бұрын
Most ambitious crossover of all time
@Criiies2 жыл бұрын
Alright let's talk about it
@louiev.33672 жыл бұрын
And dms and Josh jeez he got all my favorite channels
@h4452 жыл бұрын
it's great, when i saw dms i was like 'ok so is he gonna get JV, zeos and resolve too??' joking around then he gets all them plus more! haha good vid.
@Rubmaster2 жыл бұрын
No one can resist to say no to that mighty beard!
@AquosFrost Жыл бұрын
10:32 sorry I couldn't focus on what he was saying, I got distracted by something
@kino95212 жыл бұрын
Gotta love Crinacle's and Zeos's humor lol
@badseedtech2 жыл бұрын
Crin is one of the funniest people in the entire review space.
@datutturugang6662 жыл бұрын
stone cold humor, crin as always..
@badseedtech2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if everyone caught this, but no one knew what anyone was going to say beforehand. Each reviewer was asked "What's your endgame headphone for gaming, and if its crazy expensive, whats a more affordable/accessible option?" then asked to record and submit. Sennheiser had absolutely nothing to do in any capacity. Even the headphones they loaned me were for the 8xx review.
@champion18592 жыл бұрын
Oh I guess none of them besides crinacle z reviews had a nuraphone and recommended em for gaming
@jeus_saaa2 жыл бұрын
damn you basically got all the reviewers i've been watching ever since i got into audio equipment (mainly IEMs). Subscribed just because of that!
@illusiv66752 жыл бұрын
When using the 800s, what did u use for a mic ?
@winha14352 жыл бұрын
For budget i would just eq tune what ever your current headset is for gaming.
@freshbakd2 жыл бұрын
Great video amazed they didn't have any discussion between themselves. You should ask about an all rounder though. They all agreed the 800s weren't great for music. I wonder what all rounder they would suggest
@rookless41212 жыл бұрын
For gaming I never really noticed an improvement when I bought higher quality headphones. BUT comfort for daily use is the most important thing for me.
@fullmetalflix51952 жыл бұрын
I had that experience until i realized how much of a factor a sound card is and the means of sound data transmission. I own a10s that can sound than better than a40trs if the a10 is paired with a g6 sound card through an optical port. Clearly all console problems but true. I have the a40 mixamp tr as well and tbh the g6 maybe the better sound card. Now a headset that sounds good with a trash stock sound card are most high end turtle beechs in my experience. Consider also what program the headset is optimized for and what is actually being sent. Example uncompressed stereo converted to dolby or windows sonic etc. So the key here is limiting the amount of times this sht is converted. And the speed and amount of information will be determinded by the means of transmission. I think the optical port ia better than an hmdi 2.1 imo. Never looked at stats but it def feels better.
@OfficialGOD2 жыл бұрын
That's cos you have to configure it
@user-ch6iv2bn2j2 жыл бұрын
use a good dac and a good amp
@xrypro40802 жыл бұрын
Gaming is mostly about mechanical skills and game sense, not peripheral. I play game with IEM and no problem hitting low GM in Overwatch / Divine IV in Dota2, consistently. For anyone wondering, currently I use 7hz Timeless that I bought at discounted price ($134 / RM599) with no dac amp. I use it mainly for music, but works just fine for non-pro "high-level gaming".
@Isorosui5 ай бұрын
@@xrypro4080this was a terrible example. Overwatch and Dota 2 do not have insane sound importance as a game like siege or hunt showdown and maybe even cod.
@CreedK2 жыл бұрын
I really hope they can do a bit of an extended version (or stream) of this at some point. Maybe with an actual general tier list or simply offer some alternatives. "HD800s is best, PC38x less good" isn't especially useful when everyone already kinda knew that and either doesn't find them comfortable or want to pay that price (and non of this even considers amps). Surprisingly, Zeos offered the most non-controversial and useful piece of advice here in that comfort is #1 by far. An agreed upon short list of options would be awesome just to see what everyone really thinks. The only video I've seen before like this was ironically from Zeos and it's from like 5 years ago (though Crinacle has a pretty good write up too). Like HD800s, PC38x, HD560, HD660, TYGR 300, DT1990, SHP9500, etc with like pros/cons (amps, are they good for music, etc).
@Akaite792 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a great vid. All of these audiophile reviewers are great. I was waiting for Crin to go hard on headsets after watching his gaming video a little while back but it was Zeos hitting with the hard truth. I can also only imagine people's first-time reactions to Zeos' headphone/speaker wall, amp racks, and (ahem) monitor and wallpaper.
@5usp3c72 жыл бұрын
It's weird you say all of them are great, cause I've seen people on a Reddit thread complain that Zeos isn't super knowledgeable.
@numairsalmalin35522 жыл бұрын
@@5usp3c7 Z is plenty knowledgeable. people just hate him because he can get side tracked in his vids and has a habit of getting very passionate and sometimes overselling products. people also hate him for the fact that they don't agree with his tonal preferences (he loves fun, bassy headphones with wide soundstage and supreme comfort) which is a shitty argument because every reviewer has tonal preferences that they adhere to and judge headphones on. DMS for example likes his music to be as flat as a dead fish but the man has the ears of a fucking bat so he wants to hear every tiny shred of detail. some people would call DMS's preferences boring while others would call Zeos' tonal preferences that of a fucking caveman, you just have to know what your reviewer prefers and understand their inherent bias when reviewing headphones.
@HawaiiKalai2 жыл бұрын
@@numairsalmalin3552 this!!! (buy dusk)
@knotenbauer89532 жыл бұрын
@@numairsalmalin3552 🙏
@jamiescott12182 жыл бұрын
@@numairsalmalin3552 team caveman ftw. I’d feel the need to wear white gloves while listening if I was DMS. Each to their own but I want fun and snacks.
@ChubiPanda2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry guys, Crinicle said it best in his dedicated video and Zeos said it here, a more expensive headphone is not going to make you a better player. Get the headphone that helps you enjoy your game best.
@trollmustard2 жыл бұрын
Sick of hearing people saying this shit as if we havent heard it a billion times already
@Towelie-2 жыл бұрын
@@trollmustard But what Zeos said about pro gamers getting sponsored to wear a piece of crap on their head but still being pro shows that the headset has little to no influence.
@ethan76332 жыл бұрын
This is why I prefer a funner, slightly more bass heavy sound signature. Nothing to the point of sounding terribly muddy, but I don’t want my ears to bleed from harsh highs just for a slight competitive advantage
@trollmustard2 жыл бұрын
@@Towelie- not true at all. If you take a pro player with a set of shitty 80 dollar gaming headset. And you make a clone of that player only this time the clone is using a high fidelity headphone... the clone with the hifi is gonna take a shit on the 80 dollar headset clone
@Elijah._.72 жыл бұрын
@@trollmustard you think the clone would absolutely DUNK on his original because of better headphones? Incremental advantage yes, but you're capping if you think it's anything more than that.
@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven Жыл бұрын
Glad to see some quality mics and top notch audio. A lot of folks don't take in account how a good mic and help you keep immersed in the game. Especially if you playing with team mates. Nothing take you out of a game like a teammate sounding like they're talking into a tin can underwater with random audio drop.
@kamolzaaliite7 ай бұрын
And then there are these audiophiles 'khm khm zeos' whos mic was so bad that i had to take off my headset because of the earrape, well it's better than those indian scam callers but still
@Benri052 жыл бұрын
As a budget gamer I use the shp9500, the comfort, price, sound quality is great for the price and the boosted highs really help when detecting footsteps.
@dc69532 жыл бұрын
The sound stage and imaging is really good as well, better than any Astro
@jimboc669 Жыл бұрын
I just destroyed mine in a fit of autistic gamer rage
@ELJefeReviews2 жыл бұрын
For PC gaming, I use my Sennheiser HD6XX for no reason other than comfort. I also just got the Epos H3 Hybrid that I'll be using with my XBox and PS5. Much like Zeos said, I already suck at FPS gaming so a set of HD800s won't change that for me. So I just look for comfort and immersive-ness (is that a word?) for my racing and adventure titles.
@badseedtech2 жыл бұрын
I have a list of stuff I want to pick up from Epos. I’ve kinda slept on them since they launched.
@ELJefeReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@badseedtech it’s definitely better than I’d hoped! Especially since I’m now accustomed to open-back gaming.
@seoulglo19992 жыл бұрын
Same. I can wear the 6XXs for hours without my ears getting tired or sore. I use a Aune X7s amp to push them and they sound great, but the comfort is unmatched!
@mattsmith13432 жыл бұрын
I've tried to use my 6XX for gaming but it's borderline disorienting compared to my G4ME One. They're falling aprt so I'll need a replacement soon, was hoping for something other then the obvious answer of the PC38x as they're expensiveAF in Canada... maybe another set of game one is in order.
@qupeter12242 жыл бұрын
hd650 isn’t that bad for gaming,from all the headphones i try, i can tell you it is way better than almost all “rgb gaming headphones “ on the market. i heard 6xx is basically a 650 so my experience with 650 should apply to 6xx owners
@TheTechne2 жыл бұрын
Yo Zeos nailed it 💯 PS: Audeze LCD-GX = best gaming headset.
@badseedtech2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Zeos CRUSHES it on Fortnite 😉 Also, that’s a surprisingly pricy choice from you. I’m impressed.
@K-----2 жыл бұрын
Stinkin cozy
@Arenyr2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear this from at least one person. Recently dropped $1200 on LCD-X's a few months back and seeing every answer here be towards the HD 800 S was heartbreaking as that was my other choice.
@HFCR2 жыл бұрын
Stinkin Cozy
@totoro62142 жыл бұрын
i heard your voice as i read your comment LOL stinkin cozy
@SmoothGuyTO2 жыл бұрын
This was such a fun video collaboration since I watch all of these audio reviewers. Having each of them acknowledge the previous reviewer at the beginning of their segment and next reviewer at the end of their segment by name was extra cool.
@vitod7034 Жыл бұрын
I have tried over 20 mid to high end headphones and here is the list of the ones I would actually recommend. The order is from good to amazing. Sennheiser HD58X < Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro < Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro < Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X < Drop Beyerdynamic DT 177X Go < Sennheiser PC38X < Sennheiser HD560S < Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro < Sennheiser HD800S.
@Ryu_Yin Жыл бұрын
I noticed the Sennheiser HD560S is above the PC38X huh, interesting. Also I noticed the Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X is below both, fascinating. I thought DT 900 Pro X would be much better in gaming regards.
@joeyl.30072 жыл бұрын
Haha, love how Z set his monitor to pack as many waifus as possible into his snippet! My pick for a good gaming headphone is the AKG K701. It does need an amp to go along with it, but it definitely gives me that "okay, this is just cheating" feeling. Excellent soundstage, and great for music too. Me personally, I can wear these all day and not be uncomfortable. Comfort wise, the K712 is probably better for some people though. It's got softer pads and a softer leather comfort strap. Oh yeah, I think it's important to note that this is one product category that you should just ignore the GAMING branding for. A headphone is a headphone. Besides having a mic attached or maybe in-line volume controls and shit, gaming headphones are just headphones with RGB. Get any "normal" headphone, slap a mod mic on it and it's the same as a gaming headphone. On that note, I'd probably recommend skipping 90% of gaming headphones because the suck at being headphones outside of gaming. Find a headphone that's comfortable, good at music AND gaming, and then you don't need to buy two! .. but keep watching any of those guys in the video and you'll end up with more than two anyway......
@ethanaterx50462 жыл бұрын
"Oh yeah, I think it's important to note that this is one product category that you should just ignore the GAMING branding for." I have one caveat to this, and only one. In my opinion the Coolermaster MH751/MH752s are very good headphones. Particularly when considering the price of about $80. Solid soundstage for a closedback headphone (which I prefer as I don't live alone), descent curve, and a mic that blew me away when I used it. No built in mic should be that good. I used mine until they fell apart and still debated buying new ones afterward.
@joeyl.30072 жыл бұрын
@@ethanaterx5046 Yeah, glad you've got something that works well for you. What I meant wasn't that you shouldn't buy any gaming branded headphone. Moreso that being "GAMING" doesn't make a headphone a good headphone, not even necessarily for gaming. There can still be good headphones with that branding, but if you are in the market for one of these, you should be looking at "headphones" in general and find what meets your needs. You shouldn't immediately hop into the "Gaming headphones" section and expect them to automatically be the best option for a gamer. Honestly though, I would say this about all kinds of stuff. So many Gaming products are pieces of garbage. Gaming Chairs, Gaming Keyboards, and yes, Gaming Headphones. All of these categories are filled with junk that they slapped the Gaming branding and some RGB on so some kid would immediately gravitate towards it and waste their money before they can figure out that what they're buying is junk.
@ethanaterx50462 жыл бұрын
@@joeyl.3007 I definitely agree here, most gaming stuff is hot garbage
@tcc57502 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah, was distracting me.
@MichaelAW172 жыл бұрын
I own the k712 pro and it is great for gaming.
@JennyDarukat2 жыл бұрын
Honestly seeing all these headphone people I've followed, and in some cases known/talked to personally, for years in one video has made me really happy. Actually feels like a community that way, haven't had that in quite a while.
@lammiwinks37757 ай бұрын
Oh man I’d love an updated version of this!
@xzece53612 ай бұрын
boy do i have news for you
@SaltyMaud11 ай бұрын
Not at all surprised HD800S is the no holds barred endgame choice, but I'm very surprised AKG K700 series variants don't get mentioned here for the exact same reasons. They too are very light and comfortable to wear all day, have a little bright tuning and _excellent_ soundstage. My K7XX are far from my favorite headphones, but they are still hands down my favorite gaming headphones.
@shawndiaz75282 жыл бұрын
High end peripherals can often get you a small edge by holding you back a little less (high refresh monitor, high polling rate, accurate mouse, etc) but headphones plateau so hard and so quickly re: price to performance in gaming. Headphones are more of a tool with an exponentially expensive quality of life slider and your buying decision is probably best made without any regard for their ability to help you in games.
@Adam-tp8py2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. 240Hz monitor owner and I have Clears and a whole bunch of others. The monitor makes a huge difference. Headphones? sometimes I blast music while gaming, even FPS gaming. The headphones are a nice to have.
@Thezftw2 жыл бұрын
I find gaming mouse the most important bit, normal (wireless) office mice can't keep up with the flicks in FPS games because the sensor read rate is too low and they might drift. With wired mouse I find it less of an issue but wireless is so nice.
@SmartFool242 жыл бұрын
I have a decent 1440p 144hz monitor, a custom keyboard, a g pro Superlight modded with new switches and skates, a custom built computer and a wide variety of headphones. I think when the audio in a game is done right, the headphones are the most important part I would need to keep above using cheap everything else. Doesn’t need to be 800S but after using many many headphones, IEM’s, gaming headphones, speaker setups, the 800S really is something else for gaming.
@shawndiaz75282 жыл бұрын
@@SmartFool24 Do you think you'd be better off in a competitive environment with a 125hz polling rate laser office mouse and the 800S or literally any non-trash gaming mouse and $10 headphones? We both know the right answer.
@Adam-tp8py2 жыл бұрын
@@shawndiaz7528 Exactly. Unless you're playing with people at your skill level in FPS games, audio is semi-redundant. At least my KD barely changes when I'm not using headphones and just blasting music.
@dynastes49382 жыл бұрын
Well ... Zeos is right. Most really good players I know have dominated all their gaming lifes with whatever they used. Sure, at the very bleeding edge of high skill every advantage counts. Hardly anyone ever gets there, though. The vast majority of people buying gear to "get better" will not accomplish that through that purchase. Perhaps new and fun gear increases motivation in some way for them and leads to improvement that way, that is a thing after all. But as long as gear reaches a certain level (i.e. a mouse sensor needs to track and not jump around wildly, headphones need to function properly at least), a player has to travel a long way for him to actually need to go for "better" equipment. As for enjoyment ... I don't need expensive gear for that either. Still really enjoying my HD598s :)
@TheGreektrojan2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Still haven't found anything more comfortable for long term gaming sessions than the 598 series.
@xXDeltaCAXx2 жыл бұрын
I love my pair HD 598s. Had em for years and they are comfortable as hell for long sessions. Sure I could go and grab a better pair but for gaming, it does just fine. I don't think getting something more expensive will prevent me from getting slapped in Escape from Tarkov hah
@nicktan45302 жыл бұрын
Same here I dominate using the shittiest gears. However, once in a while, we would like to use something that really blow our socks off just to enjoy the game. I dont need the most accurate imagine but once in a while hearing real life imaging in game is fun.
@evshrug2 жыл бұрын
@@TheGreektrojan The HD 598 is near perfection… but the PC38X’s and HD 560S’ small tweak of having a divot at the peak of the headband prevents a hot spot right there on my now-balding head, so I find it slightly more comfortable. They both have squishy soft headband padding instead of leatherette wrapped padding, too. And… well, nothing has topped the HD 800 series for me. It’s surprisingly light for its size, the clamp is light and just perfect, it has that divot and a wide headband, FOR ME the microsuede feels great because it doesn’t get itchy, hot, or sweaty… it’s literally the only headphone (series) I’ve had where I can forget I’m wearing headphones and be totally immersed in the game. That said, if I’m on the edge of my seat and getting worked up while playing competitive or chatting/shouting with friends, the extra clamp on the HD 500 series and PC300 series keeps the headphone snug and stable on my head better, while the HD 800 might slip around a bit. Everything has pros and cons! Even the a leather headband/earpad is easier to wipe clean of sweat!
@Yo-Geo2 жыл бұрын
I did not get to top 1000 on NA Valorant with my Hifiman Arya *wink* *wink*
@Meowwentthedino Жыл бұрын
Trust Zeos to go against the grain. 😂😂😂
@reaperactualgaming30752 жыл бұрын
As someone who has always used turtle Beach gaming headphones and a few pairs of logitech headphones.... I was amazed at the difference when I switched to some beyerdynamic dt990 pros. I will never go back these 990s are the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned and for games like dayz and Escape from tarkov it seriously helps you hear little noises that can make the difference between life and death. And music sounds amazing with them as well.
@ShadVanDenHul2 жыл бұрын
Surprising Zeos was the one to not shill a headphone. Even more surprising that I actually agree with Zeos on something. Just wear something comfortable that makes your gaming enjoyable.
@kyron422 жыл бұрын
Is that what he said. I was too distracted by his screen of anime.
@ShadVanDenHul2 жыл бұрын
@@kyron42 Yeah, that was pretty cringe
@ZReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@ShadVanDenHul that's my brand.
@samfunfun6462 жыл бұрын
@@ZReviews they must be new here
@kyron422 жыл бұрын
@@ZReviews it looks like moondrop stole your idea and is becoming very successful.
@ResolveReviews2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid - thanks to Brian for rounding us up and putting this together! Always fun to do collabs like this.
@sonicthehedgehog9892 жыл бұрын
Resolve is such an elegant reviewer. One of the reasons why I bought a verite closed and absolutely enjoy the hell outta of them is because of resolves enthusiasm for the verite open. I like closed headphones more that's why I got the closed.
@evshrug2 жыл бұрын
Hi Resolve
@hectormanuelgomezmedina93872 жыл бұрын
I was expecting that you tell about the ZMF Verite C
@ResolveReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@hectormanuelgomezmedina9387 I have yet to review the verite c. Maybe one day haha.
@SunshineHB2 жыл бұрын
Started the gaming headphone journey with HD598s. Now using a 3+ schiit stack with Sundaras, DT770, DT990, HD6XX… plugged in the 598s for the first time in a year recently and they are seriously the best out of all my headphones for positional audio. An expensive lesson learned, I guess.
@pwn34262 жыл бұрын
sell them all and get the 560 s
@laowai20005 ай бұрын
makes me feel a little better owning the 560s as first set of decent headphones matched with ifi stack.@@pwn3426
@GentleBones12 жыл бұрын
I don't think the headphones are going to increase my skill but it sure does help to hear the footsteps of someone coming from the direction and level they're coming from. Not to mention immersiveness. Ease of use and comfort for long hours is important to prevent frustration and to make me actually want to wear them and a decent mic is important in cooperative settings where being able to hear what someone said can mean the difference between everyone getting out alive and a wipe. So yes, while I agree with Z that your own skill matters most, all those other points I listed are just as important.
@walruspanda8768 Жыл бұрын
I play a lot of battlefield with friends and using better headphones hasn't made me better but it definitely has made the game more fun, the extra immersion changes the experience immensely for me But definitely hasn't made me better lol
@hawk12902 жыл бұрын
Tried my first open back as the HD555s and I was hooked. Upgraded to the 6XX down the line and missed a wider sound stage, recently bought the HD800S after Drop struggled with the 8XX as a bucketlist buy. It's my endgame and I understand why it's so heavily recommended. I use it for music, gaming and entertainment - I know it's not for everyone but I've found I prefer a sound signature that doesn't absolutely demand your attention and still remains detailed and spacious. Sharp out of the box and Neutral with some EQ. Happy to hear that opinion is shared with others who have listened to far more expensive sets. "If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up."
@Inconsistense2 жыл бұрын
Late but found this video in my recommended. I was similar to you.. tried DT990’s and loved open back.. went to DT1990’s, then went HD800S. Had both for a while but after the HD800S even the 1990’s began to feel semi closed back, it was really weird. I use the HD800S every single day for music, tv etc and of course, gaming. And I don’t think I could ever use anything else. They were a little bright for me but I used Oratory’s EQ and got some Dekoni pads.
@williamhendricks2633 Жыл бұрын
What amp/dac do you use?
@hawk1290 Жыл бұрын
@@williamhendricks2633 THX AAA 789 AMP, Topping D50s for DAC.
@pk.002 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I know the price is steep, but I look at it as an investment rather than an indulgence. You still don't have to spend $1500-1700 new on them, I got them from an Amazon Warehouse deal for $900. I'm tired of buying budget and mid range headphones which don't give me what I'm looking for, and the amount of money I've spent on those surpass the cost of an HD 800 S anyway.
@shmadmanuts Жыл бұрын
Do the HD555 still live? I still use my HD515 bought in 2011 :) I've "upgraded" to HD58x, but found that the lack of smoothness in the lows in HD515 is actually great for rock/metal music - the drums sound way healthier and faster. I dream of the day I could afford a used HD800.
@johngalt99892 жыл бұрын
I went with a Zeos recommendation and put the Dekoni Elite Sheepskin cups on my Beyer MMX300. This is powered by a Sound Blaster X3 DAC/amp. No regrets here. The cups really improve the bass/treble balance as well as improving precision and soundstage.
@jasonbinney29792 жыл бұрын
I have some as well and I agree, it's a fantastic upgrade from my aged raggedy stock earpads.
@TheMxboy1992 жыл бұрын
Same setup but I have an x4 and stock ear cups they really don’t bother me at all
@jesh35312 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing, actually. I was using portapros with yaxis pads and the parts express band prior to that. I will say my music enjoyment went DOWN after the shock at actual sub bass wore off. But my kills in siege went way up. Granted, siege has probably the worst audio engine of all time.. But the Koss drivers had very bad imaging in comparison, even if their soundstage is wider. I am curious if the KPH40 has better imaging, and better clarity in bass at high volume than the older porta pros. Those two factors are what caused me to drop more than $300 on an "upgrade" in the mmx300.
@raulsaavedra7092 жыл бұрын
As a very long time headfier and gamer, wisest suggestions in my opinion were the two which mentioned comfort and enjoyment. That's what matters most. Any alleged higher quality reproduction wont give you any edge to win, but any discomfort will affect you negatively in the not so long run
@x3LightNinG10 ай бұрын
facts. but i bet most sheeps out there wont listen lol
@metallboy254 ай бұрын
I didnt come here to look for an "edge to win". I came looking for a product with good durability, good sound and good comfort. This video was practically usless due to lack of detail. Last one didnt even say what model those headphones were. 🤷.
@raulsaavedra7094 ай бұрын
@@metallboy25 - I'd recommend Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro, AKG 271 or one of the HyperX Cloud for closed over the ear headphones. - AKG K702, or Sennheiser HD series (600, 650, 800) for open ones, some of those high-end Sennheisers can be reaaally pricey though. But except for the HyperX, these I recommend are not gaming headphones though (only the HyperX has a mic.) They just sound excellent and are particularly comfortable
@EldritchAugur Жыл бұрын
Choosing the 800s because of comfort is a great point. I have tried giant planar Audezes before and they sound neat, but I can't wear them for more than 45 mins at a time without my head screaming at me to take them off. Comfort is a huge deal for listening to music and even more so for gaming. I have worn the 800s for 10 hour straight studying with ambient music on and I completely forget they were even there. Incredibly useful for gaming.
@x3LightNinG10 ай бұрын
thats the struggle for me… personally it has always been a dream for me to grab a pair of audeze for yearssss, esp the release of the mm-500, but i agree they are not suitable for long hrs of wearing.. while hd800s are comfortable but the cups feel too big for me
@Jazzman127922 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more with Zeos…I got the Beyerdynamic MM300 with some replacement dekoni breathable pads and I can’t imagine getting anything else…I’ve used a good amount of headphones but the MM300’s are just so damn comfy with great sound (in my opinion) that I wouldn’t use anything else for gaming…at least for a while.
@andreydoichinov1683 Жыл бұрын
They are too sharp .. I bought also the TYGR and now I will sell my MMX300
@76543212202 жыл бұрын
"It's hard to get audiophiles to agree on anything" DMS,Josh,Crin: No. Zeos: WallpaperSSSSSSSSS
@fellowninja2 жыл бұрын
Leave it to ZEOS to have the best argument that doesn't include the HD800S lol I use the Beyerdynamic MXX-300 II's, and they're plugged into the 3.5mm jack on my Elgato Wave XLR. It's a very basic setup, but I got lag-free monitoring and I'm not usually enjoying the Foobar2000 that I play in the background at such a low volume so it doesn't matter. If I want to enjoy it, I click "Use my THX-AAA-789 and Geshelli Labs JNOG plz" in Foobar2000, and then I'm using the classic Sundaras.
@HeartInLight Жыл бұрын
I bought the pc38x based on this video, and the rave reviews. As well as the awesome microphone tests. I have to say, I'm not disappointed. Super clean separation, nothing overblown. Just balanced awesome clean sound. I love them. My Logitech g pro x, will be collecting dust now. These blow them out of the water for sound. The build quality feels cheap in comparison. But the money's worth in the pc38x is definitely in the sound and mic. It's far above what iv used before in the things that really count.
@KhapriSun Жыл бұрын
im using the Logitech g pro x at the moment too and was thinking of buying the pc38x. After having had them for a few months would you still say the money is worth the upgrade? Or is it more just a minor bump in audio quality?
@x3LightNinG10 ай бұрын
@@KhapriSun any “gaming headphones” released by these company are basically trash, u get way better value out of that. just dump the g pro x whatever shit it call
@PsychoBenches7 ай бұрын
How does it sound with music?
@severeboi2 жыл бұрын
love how Brian started using some of MrBeast's strats on how to hook the viewer at the start of the video. Good shit bro
@badseedtech2 жыл бұрын
That’s a sharp eye - that’s exactly what that was.
@MillennialPatriot2 жыл бұрын
1. Crinacle was so good to see him featured 2. Zeos
@Stallzyx2 жыл бұрын
Personally had some pretty decent headphones for gaming in the past, Sennheiser HD598 SE and also AKG K712 Pros, but I found a very lightly used pair of the HD600 like Crinacle has sat on his desk and boy, the audio experrience from these has been second to none for me. Maybe the HD800S are good for gamers but a lot of people who review them for music etc say they're really poor value I believe and also quite sibilant on the high end. K712 Pros or HD600 with some EQ is so good
@vortexshift51468 ай бұрын
10:32 whoever chose the pics on that vertical screen needs to be FBI searched ASAP
@chiizuu7526 күн бұрын
Point out where the little anime girl is then come back. Scared of a 4 letter word?
@hectamus_2 жыл бұрын
I use the HIFIMAN Sundara’s with a Schiit Stack. I chose that configuration because they were within my budget and I wanted a great immersive experience in rpg games, great sound-staging for fps games and great sound quality overall when listening to music/watching movies or shows. So far it has been the best decision I have made for creating an awesome experience at my desk
@rampari2 жыл бұрын
Same here! I just have a MT-602 tube amp as well when I need a bit more "flavour"
@joaosoarestech38392 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@NewChiqueChloe2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one using the Sundaras! The tuning might not be "ideal" for gaming, but it's pretty close to it and they sound so damn good for its price that it's hard to reach for anything else.
@simplewolf59462 жыл бұрын
Same here, except I run mine through the Schiit Hel. Absolutely love it.
@robm3212 жыл бұрын
I use the Sundara too. It's great 👍
@voidgivenfocus2 жыл бұрын
I went into this video expecting to hear a lot of HD800S and PC38X recommendations and was not disappointed lol
@cheesychester96472 жыл бұрын
Hey bug
@Mikri902 жыл бұрын
Zeos with the truth bomb :D....I mean really, I am a musician with really good hearing and I wish hearing my enemies is the "bottleneck" in my gaming sessions. No headphones would bring any improvement to my gaming level. Spatial awareness, game sense, tactics, timing, reaction time, my movement, ability to improvise on the spot (or not)..... all of those are what gets me killed even though even with cheap headphones I know where everyone is on the map. This whole video reminds me of that Asian ex-google high level employee dude who is a programmer that has a video about what's the best keyboard for programming and all he talks about is the words per minute he can get with various keyboards. Like dude, is typing speed really the thing that slows down your coding?
@schizowallflower2 жыл бұрын
I have a Koss 545 that I use a lot of the time for games. It has a good mic, the sound is pretty good and picks up background noises well (like the birds chirping behind you in theHunter: Call of the Wild), they are comfortable and best of all Drop and Amazon occasionally sell them for $30. They are wired, so you'll have to take your controller with you (or take them off to leave the room if you're on PC) but they're worth it for sure.
@ardademir12 жыл бұрын
After returning many headsets(Hyperx Cloud Flight S, Corsair Virtuoso SE, Corsair HS80) I found my endgame, Sennheiser HD 560s. 10/10 for gaming without AMP/DAC. Also got v-moda boom mic. Best combination.
@iikatinggangsengii24715 ай бұрын
it will be good battle, best retails vs xiaomi ears
@bakemono8582 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid and cool to see Crinacle and Z apart of it. Z spitting actual facts. Better headphones have only relieved me of deducing positions a bit easier while providing great sound quality at the same time. You don’t magically get better aim or “game sense”, that just comes with effort.
@asdasvcasva11 ай бұрын
Z is total missunderstanging on this review, any hard competetive guy would wear spikes on their head just to have that advantage of geting the info of enemys positioning or whatever the advantage.
@mossen9811 ай бұрын
Zeos is right iv competed in t3 cs for a long time and moved too apex which i played professionally from season 0 to 5 the moved too valorant which since the end of beta i have been competing deaf im 100% deaf in my left ear and 20% in my right ear iv placed 2nd place on lan being deaf. Audio isnt gonna get you far. work on ur skill set i promise you that gets u everywhere. Now for ppl like me who are just looking for nice audio keep watching videos like this till u find what you want :D
@PowerL1N32 жыл бұрын
My setup for these are: IEM: BLON BL-03. Custom Cable: Acid Purple Hart Audio PC-3: Dual Angled 2-pin (QDC) Balanced IEM Cable w/ a female 4-pin mini XLR and a male 4-pin mini XLR to a 90 degree 3.5mm TRS interconnect line. Custom Ear Tip: Midnight Purple Eartune Fidelity Custom IEM Ear Tip Altogether for me is the ultimate band for your buck in an IEM!
@VinayakGajare2 жыл бұрын
Never thought crin and zeos would be in one video introducing/thanking each other 🤣😭, this made my day ❤️
@WheezyTech2 жыл бұрын
DT1990 are my ultimate picks for Rainbow Six Siege and basically any other competitive shooter, most of the sound queues that are important to hear in Siege are well accentuated by the 1990. AKG K712 Pro for immersive open world games. Alternatives: DT990, TYGR 300R, HD560S, DT770
@JonathanDano2 жыл бұрын
Hey Wheezy, thanks for the recommendations. I own all those headphones for gaming except the 1990 (I have the 990) and I'm Glad to know I made the right choices for gaming headphones
@DuSeun2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Fidelio X2HR for gaming? I heard it has an incredible sound stage
@YTjuanchicod2 жыл бұрын
Tygr300r or hd560s?
@MyMike004 Жыл бұрын
I'll trust more Zeos Pantera about his suggestions for the headset, cause the previous ones do not make point that you do not need to get the best headset to be the best at gaming. He knows his stuff and feel genuine when he spoke.
@brkn_aznproductionz6622 жыл бұрын
Zeos aggressively having the monitor scrolling through his vast collection of waifus is such a power move. Man is SIGMA AF.
@SneefyQuaffles2 жыл бұрын
Profile pic checks out
@knightsky44382 жыл бұрын
what a man
@BerserkeR_0312 жыл бұрын
I like his content and knowledge on headphones but i do get pedo vibes sometimes with the young looking girls on his screen and then i have to turn it off... I don't get why people are into that kind of shit.
@Silenceeify2 жыл бұрын
Not manly in any sense.
@trevorclinton5692 Жыл бұрын
@@BerserkeR_031 Based.
@_SiN_acai_2 жыл бұрын
Beyerdynamics MMX 300 GEN 2. Being someone passionate about audio and gaming this headset is incredible for gaming and music. It's so good at directional sound it's almost like wall hacking. I actually bought this based on Z's review, where he raved about how good it was on all fronts. Please do a piece on this head phone Brain, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
@baguettebaguetteneverforge17582 жыл бұрын
Honestly I agree I have the mmx 300 Gen 2s as well the only gripe I have with them is the stock pads and cables and thank God those can be replaced
@MysticOdin2 жыл бұрын
Beyerdynamic TYGR is awesome all around, games and music, coolermaster MH751 is also fantastic for the price, Thanks DMS and Zeos for both recommendations
@ddroz237 ай бұрын
Z reviews is right. I have had, HP9500, DT 990, Fidelio x2hr (awesome for Music BTW), IEM' like Tin T2 and others. They all feel different. Today I rock the HD560s. You can get them anywhere including Guitar Center int he US. They are great but Dac/amp is key. I have a Ifi Zen v2 and it is perfect for these mid range headphones. The True bass brings all the mentioned headphones alive. The HD 560s is a toss up to the Fidelio x2hr accept it is much lighter and the sound stage is wider. It is not at bassy either. If you want Open back Bassy then Fidelio. If you want Bright and Accurate then DT 990s or HP9500. Both of those suck at bass but have really good direction. The HD 560s does well all-round but just a little softer. For sure have a amp to drive any Can bc it brings everything to life.
@Kerm_ST1 Жыл бұрын
I have heard things my friends never hear in games like singular a footstep on csgo and could immediately pinpoint and flick to where it came from and I have been using a $20 headset I ordered on Amazon from a company that doesn’t even make them anymore. And I’ve had em for 5 years. I’m not really sure how I just hear what other people don’t in games
@randeegunthunter10622 жыл бұрын
Of coarse Z is the only one talking straight sense.
@sazenV162 жыл бұрын
I'm glad there is somebody putting emphasis on just the comfort of the HD800s. I have large ears man and for years, I've been swapping headphone after headphone only to deal with discomfort. I thought I finally found my answer with the HD6XX but I found myself dealing with fatigue even with those. I finally bit the bullet and ordered the H800s. I was able to get that 10% off my first order thing which was actually pretty decent and I cannot believe how comfortable they are. For the first time in my life, no more ear fatigue. That's right I legit bought them purely for comfort (of course I love the audio quality. have them paired with a schitt magni 3+ amp for now) but people will spend upwards of a thousand if not more for a chair, desk or bed purely for better long term comfort. Why not for something you wear over your ears and head for in some cases even more time than you even sleep? I was sick of settling for lower cost headphones that don't provide me the comfort. The HD800s is worth every single penny. If you have large ears, trust me you won't regret it.
@SmartFool242 жыл бұрын
You might like the added comfort from some Dekoni ear pads. They have a little more cushion which adds the slightest amount of squeeze to keep them in place but still same large pads and actually helps mellow the highs a pinch and support the mids and lows. Think josh talked about them in his review of the 800 or maybe 8xx.
@phyxios742 жыл бұрын
okay for perspective I have around 1,200 hours in Apex across console and PC and I would say having a decent monitor "144hz or above" mouse, mouse pad, and a mechanical keyboard goes a long way. I also think having better equipment doesn't directly make you better, but I do think having better equipment will make you more consistent at the level you are playing at and allow you to train for a higher level than what you are currently at
@JB-fs1cn Жыл бұрын
One has to love Zeos Pantera for his honesty :D
@andrehall57472 жыл бұрын
There's not a game in the world that would compel me to pay $1000+ for a set of headphones. PERIOD! Loved the video. Big fan of Josh, Zeos....and YOU!
@MyouKyuubi2 жыл бұрын
Yep... and if you do want super quality audio for gaming... a 350 dollar Hifiman Sundara is the closest thing to end-game for a casual consumer anyway... these 1000+ dollar headphones are for audiophiles and rich people. >_> I say, stick with Sennheiser if you want the best in cheap headphones with good audio quality and comfort... Sennheiser is the master of that, anyway. A Game One, PC38X, HD599... They're all great. But if you want end-game... A Schiit Stack, Modi 3+ with Magni Heresy, and a Hifiman Sundara, and you've got the dream setup, for LIFE, and even future proofed yourself a bit, because the Heresy has A LOT of power, and can run just about anything you can throw at it, just in case you, some day, have the desire and opportunity to test other headphones. xD Totals out to roughly 550 dollars for the whole setup, and you're set for life, or something close to it, anyways. :)
@andrehall57472 жыл бұрын
@@MyouKyuubi Schiit stacks are awesome. I own a couple stacks myself.
@AwesomeLevi2 жыл бұрын
@@MyouKyuubi Where does the music come from? Your phone? Or does it have to be a computer? Thanks
@MyouKyuubi2 жыл бұрын
@@AwesomeLevi That depends entirely on the DAC and Amp you're using. There are options for phones too (Portable dac/amp combos and stuff), but i wouldn't recommend the Sundara with a phone, i would recommend a closed-back headphone for phone usage... Something suitable for travel, so you don't bother the people around you with your music, because the Sundara does not isolate, whatsoever, they kinda double as desktop speakers, everyone around you can hear what you're listening to, even at low volumes, they are not just open-back headphones, acoustically speaking, they're completely naked. :P I use my setup primarily for PC, but, the DAC has multiple audio-inputs that i can swap between with a physical switch. So theoretically, i could hook the dac up to an Xbox with the Optical Analogue input, and a CD player with the Optical Coaxial, and just use the USB connection for my PC, simultaneously... Then, whenever i wanna listen to some CD, i just flick the switch to the appropriate channel, and i'll hear what the CD-player is playing in my Sundara, without having to mess about with cables every time i make a switch. :P This particular dac only has those three input options though, however, there's a wide range of dacs out there (as well as amps) with different inputs and different use-cases.
@AwesomeLevi2 жыл бұрын
@@MyouKyuubi Thank you for the thoughtful and detailed response! That helps a lot. Where did you learn to do this stuff? Or is it just years of trial and error, forums and learning from KZfaq? I suppose everything sounds a little complicated to me because it's something I've only recently taken an interest in.
@xTheTamingx2 жыл бұрын
I'm not an audiophile, but I love watching Zeos and Crinacle reviews!
@paulomunozartavia22822 жыл бұрын
Let me tell you, this is one of the best comments here, and I totally agree with you. I would love these two to collaborate: Crin tunes the IEM Zeos chooses and designs the box’s Waifu
@Patife_PT Жыл бұрын
Amazing content! You should do the part II of this video. What audio format audiophiles use when gaming? Uncompressed Stereo, Dolby Atmos for Headphones or other? Always wanted to know but can't find this information anywhere. I think it's relevant information. Thanks! 🙏
@tardezyx2 жыл бұрын
I can recommend Denon AH-D5200 (or, depending on your budget, the more expensive variants D7200 and D9200) for a closed sound environment. They are super comfortable and have a slightly warm sound.
@x3LightNinG10 ай бұрын
great headphones but not the best comfort for prolonged hrs of gaming. btw i assumed the actual gaming timer out there refers to up to 8hrs consecutively
@minimuttonchops2 жыл бұрын
I personally haven't played multiplayer fps's in years but I've really enjoyed watching Fresh Reviews journey with audiophile headphones, he's also really good at the point and shoots.
@woodypaul_2 жыл бұрын
I've been gaming on my Fnatic React for over a year now, and while I'm sure higher end headphones would do really well with sound stage and spatial audio, just having something slightly tuned to the high end for footsteps and has decent spatial awareness will do miles better than any of those Amazon Special discount cans that 75% of gamers probably wear.
@matthew61732 жыл бұрын
I have clips to prove it haha
@Inconsistense2 жыл бұрын
I first tired the DT990’s, then upgraded to DT 1990’s, then landed at HD800S and I honestly don’t think I could go back. When I first got them I was playing a lot of Escape from Tarkov where sound can be crucial, I’ve got over 5k hours in that game and definitely noticed the difference at being able to hear people much earlier than any friends I was playing with. Id definitely recommend open back headphones for gaming.
@berkarslan Жыл бұрын
I'm using DT 1990 for gaming. How would you compare it with HD800S?
@Inconsistense Жыл бұрын
@@berkarslan if it’s just for gaming I think the 1990’s are very good. HD800S really is overkill, although I do love them of course. I found that after using the HD800S the DT1990’s actually felt semi closed back, not sure if that makes sense really. The HD800S are very neutral, although some find them a bit bright. I think 1990’s have a bit more “oomph” on the low end. I’ve had my HD800S for I want to say 2+ years now, and I’ll probably never change them unless they break one day and I go down the rabbit hole again.
@SternLobster43 Жыл бұрын
@@Inconsistense Whats your total setup for this? Like AMP / DAC / MOBO? I'm considering the 800s but I don't know what accessories I'll need to go with it.
@Inconsistense Жыл бұрын
@@SternLobster43 My setup is HD800s> Schiit Jotunheim 2>schiit modi multi bit >Asus z690 formula, I upgraded my cpu and to DDR5 ram at the start of 2022 and that was one of the only boards I could get stock wise and I’d been waiting for months and just got impatient, so I’m not sure you need the exact same board. Also in terms of my audio chain, as I said in the original comment I upgraded the headphones over time and the same goes for my amp/DAC etc. I could argue with myself that it’s quite excessive for gaming really, but I do enjoy them a lot. Let me know if you have any more questions.
@itshammy62859 ай бұрын
i’m looking to buy the DT 990 pros but not sure what’s the best for gaming. trying to spend less than 200 but MAX would be 250
@r4zorsslaughterhous3972 жыл бұрын
Playing CSGO with HD560s feels like cheating. I can hear a reload and mag drop through walls in the exact spot that mag fell on the ground..
@Kingkhan0440 Жыл бұрын
Is it still like that? Like how good are they for comp fps games?
@th0mahawk2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the same thing but with IEMs for gaming. Grabbed some moondrop arias + a condenser mic and the soundstage was tiers above the steelseries pro with dac I bought a few years ago.
@badseedtech2 жыл бұрын
JUST getting into IEMs - ordered a bunch and gonna spend some time sorting through them all.
@loamymtb2 жыл бұрын
I've been curious as I'd like to give IEMs a try for gaming, do you use them when talking with people in discord? I haven't been able to get used to the muted "in my head" sound while I'm talking with the IEMs sealed
@lillarry15522 жыл бұрын
Everyone: here’s a short but comprehensive summary of some decent headphones Zeos: NONE OF THIS SHIT MATTERS YOU SUCK! 😂😂 love z
@ZReviews2 жыл бұрын
Spoilers
@baraki8082 жыл бұрын
He speaks the truth😂
@Dsparky121 Жыл бұрын
I used to use a set of Astro A10s they were cheap and uncomfortable but within my budget. After a while I was looking for a more comfortable and wireless pair i moved to the Arctis 7 by Steelseries based off a friend’s recommendation. I don’t believe I became a better gamer but the less fatigue on the top of my head and ears made it more enjoyable to play for longer which let me get more reps in and become better
@JackVania2 жыл бұрын
The most important thing to me is comfort, hands down. Velour pads, open back for the soundstage but I'm more concerned with the overall sound than I am about picking up on footsteps. Tygr 300R are my go-to because they sound balls for the price, don't get too hot, super comfy and just work well for any type of content from music, movies to gaming. I don't use surround or processing of any kind.
@metalvideos19612 жыл бұрын
i jus tgot my Tyger 300R. and to be honest in dont like them for music. you can clearly hear that they are market for gaming. for music i use my ATH-MSR7b from Audio Technica. the Tyger does have more bass then the MSR7b but the MSR7b are target for Studio so it got a very flat sound. But no i dont really enjoy Music or movies with the Tyger 300R. For gaming so far i didnt find any problems.
@alexossan28292 жыл бұрын
Don't play comptitive anything. But I agree with Zeos(?) on comfort. I have found myself spending a lot more time on my HD6XX than my Sundara because of the weight, and the fact that Sundara somehow creates a hot spot on top of my head. Even though I prefer the Sundara sound.
@SaladHate2 жыл бұрын
Wow, ZEOS is the only one who didn't lick Sennheisers with deep french tongue technique , and said some wise words about gaming. The same ideas Crinacle said in other video he linked in his part here (but somehow still advertised Sennhs). Is it really true that on the planet with hundreds of brands of headphones all of these audiophiles (except Zeos) picked just one brand and three specific models? "i am an audiophile, but twenty bucks is twenty bucks"?
@zachanator555992 ай бұрын
If you're playing FPS games, the items that actually make a difference in your performance are in order, your mouse, your monitor, your mousepad, your keyboard, then everything else. The performance increase I got going to a 240HZ Oled panel with basically zero response time was crazy.
@Jaypher2 жыл бұрын
A Zeos and Badseed video is what I needed in my life
@FeralGinger2 жыл бұрын
Loved this! For me I found the AKG K702 upgraded with Dekoni Elite Velour pads to be the winning combo for gaming, all day comfort and the best soundstage I can afford without going crazy matched with the ModMic 5.0 for crispy voice!
@anhiirr Жыл бұрын
Did the same with K7XX Nice velour memory foam pads, Epic staging and small low end boost/foam cap cover. Equally nice for podcasts/movies.
@firesidesmarmy691811 ай бұрын
"the headphones don't matter" -guy with 10000 headphones
@IMF18212 жыл бұрын
Really cool idea getting everyone together for this. For me personally, the HD560S blows the PC38x out of the water. Had both for 3-4 weeks to compare/contrast, and the difference was stark every time I swapped to the 560S. Would love to see you do an updated video on the mid-fi gaming options.
@YTjuanchicod2 жыл бұрын
You try the tygr300r?
@marzipanda_ Жыл бұрын
For the sound quality? What about mic is that good on them?
@IMF1821 Жыл бұрын
@@marzipanda_ I used a boom mic with an extendable arm, but any of the vmoda or modmic's work well too.
@klobasa999 Жыл бұрын
@@YTjuanchicod I have the pc38x and have bought the Beyerdynamic tygr300 to compare them as price wise they are the same. Comfort goes to tygr 300 for sure. Listening to music goes to PC 38X. Gaming goes to tygr 300 BUT the two headphones were giving quite different experiences. To explain: Tygr 300 game great sound stage and had the sounds of footsteps boosted by a lot. Like, playing Battlefield 1 I could hear footsteps very clearly and had the direction point on from where it was coming. However! It seemed like it was lacking other small detail sounds like weapons not having the same punch or metalic clicking. It just felt like some sounds were surpressed in favor of other frequencies ie footsteps. I sold tygr 300 and kept the PC 38X because I enjoyed the sound more. The soundstage isn't as great as the Tygr had but it is still good as well as directional sound. Also I like to listen to music so that gave 38X a huge favor. The mic is just there for convenience in my case.
@YTjuanchicod Жыл бұрын
@@klobasa999 great answer bro. First i go for the hd560s and then swaped it for the beyer dt 900 pro x
@FreshReviewsYT2 жыл бұрын
Makes an incredible difference, especially in high ranked play where people are playing at an incredibly high level and certain upgrades, when you’re already insanely good, might only provide a minute difference, but cumulatively can be extremely impactful. For me, performance upgrades are key to have solid fps. Then, audio is most important followed by monitor, mouse, then keyboard.
@CBCuster2 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree that headphones don't make you a (much) better player, but the benefit in open world games is astonishing. Environment sounds are so gorgeous with high quality headphones. Running a Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro with an Antlion ModMic through a Schiit Hel 2 Dac/Amp. Great midrange combo I think
@cesarTorres-lj1df Жыл бұрын
So true, i dont give a f about beeing better, i care about a better experience
@phuzzbond2 жыл бұрын
I use two simple, budget friendly set ups; 1. Closed back - Beyerdynamic DT240pro with 2.5mm Cable Boom Mic 2. Open back - Philips Fidelio X2HR with 3.5mm V-MODA BoomPro Mic & dekoni choice suede pads Gaming DAC - schiit fulla 3 The beyer is a versatile little set which are neat light and comfortable, there is also a connection on both ears so you can have the boom mic on the left or the right if you prefer. DT240’s currently £60 on amazon with £20 mic. The v-moda is £30 and as for the fideleos, just watch Brian’s review, it’s one of the best descriptive and authentic sells of any product, ever. I actually bought them before the review for £99 but if I ever wanted reassurance for a purchase decision, oh man.
@davetechme Жыл бұрын
Audaze Penrose. Even though it's wireless, it's one of the best audio I've heard in a headset with a mic. I felt like bullets were whizzing by me the first time I used them in game.
@andreydoichinov1683 Жыл бұрын
What other headphones u used before ?
@avichayt93732 жыл бұрын
“A game should be fun... and a game shouldn’t make you watch this video! Why are you here!?” Zeos is just the best
@aesonone2 жыл бұрын
1:00 a stereo headset, however good at imaging, won't produce the illusion of verticality on its own unless the verticality is simulated in the audio source
@Benri052 жыл бұрын
Zeos went all in with the waifu cycling wallpaper.
@bierba2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it would be hella fun to watch some sort of podcast style video with a couple audiophile youtubers just arguing and interacting!
@MrAyrit2 жыл бұрын
Not that I’m a pro by any means, but I certainly think there is value to good positional audio in games. My favorite that aren’t mentioned a lot are the Hifiman HE560.
@sanjacobs62612 жыл бұрын
Headphone positional audio is CPU work, not acoustics work. If you can enable HRTF in your game, you're set.
@MrAyrit2 жыл бұрын
@@sanjacobs6261 I’ve never felt the dsp stuff works as good as just a decent DAC/amp and some good headphones.
@sanjacobs62612 жыл бұрын
@@MrAyrit I wouldn't call it DSP as it happens in the synthesis/sample playback stage in the game, and it's pretty much the only way to do proper spacial audio in headphones. No DAC+Amp+HP combo or DSP can get you what well implemented HRTF can.
@MrAyrit2 жыл бұрын
@@sanjacobs6261 could you explain what HRTF is? I’m not familiar with that acronym.
@sanjacobs62612 жыл бұрын
@@MrAyrit Ah, Head-Related Transfer Function. Basically emulates a real head at the camera position in the game, so sounds coming from the right will be played slightly earlier for the right ear, just like how the sound would reach one ear before the other IRL. There are of course many more factors it takes into account to make it work, but that's one. It gives you a near perfect surround sound experience on any binaural speaker setup, whether headphones or earbuds. Look for it in CS:GO's sound settings for instance.
@eldeanogrande2 жыл бұрын
Sundaras - Super comfy, good imaging, good soundstage and sound amazing (with or without EQ). Pricey when you factor in a DAC/AMP (They definitely are underpowered from a motherboard) and mic into the mix, but not 800S pricey.
@SmartFool242 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I have the 800S which are better and actually easier to power than the Sundara, but the Sundara has a really nice mix of everything and a good overall quality for gaming with that I enjoy.
@mrdeathamore2 жыл бұрын
I still think that IEM is the choice for gaming. Since IEMs go very deep into the ear it's essentially gives you a "closer" sound and you are able to hear footsteps and other sounds perfectly fine.
@eldeanogrande2 жыл бұрын
@@mrdeathamore IEMs don't agree with my ear canals for long use unfortunately and at the end of the day, comfort is king.
@SmartFool242 жыл бұрын
@@mrdeathamore in certain situations where the room is loud, sure. In a relatively quiet room with a good set of open back headphones then I’d take the headphones over the IEM’s.
@batman6540 Жыл бұрын
This vid was sponsored by Sennheisser...
@yourvenparianen53903 ай бұрын
of course... ultra biased.
@TechButler2 жыл бұрын
Using a Sennheiser HD560S with a boom mic I bought separately to attach to it. Works great, sounds great. The only drawback is the headband isn't comfortable after long sessions.
@hartyewh12 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy with my Mobius for gaming. Can wear them for hours, they actually make it so much easier to hear distance and direction then my old Sennheiser One something something and they're nice with music as well. I can't think of a closed back that I would take over it for the price and I've tested quite a few.
@misteral10832 жыл бұрын
I only use my Mobius for media consumption in the living room when the missus falls asleep, and every time I do I wonder why I don't use them more. I absolutely love them. Other dailies are HFM Ananda, Audioquest Nighthawk, UM Mest. Mobius is just a lovely lovely sound. And that's BEFORE you get into spatial!!!
@tobiaxelsson2 жыл бұрын
I have Sennheiser Game One and a pair of HD800S, so all I can say is I agree with all, especially the value of the EPOS/Sennheiser's better gaming headsets. Also for closed back the Game Zero is great, but I would suggest getting the pads from the Game One since they are cloth fabric and seriously comfy (a little bit less isolating, but sooo worth it for the extra comfort)!
@rem51372 жыл бұрын
Z is the man who got me into audio! He is how I came across BadSeed Tech! Awesome video man!
@rage0exe2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been using the HD599s for a while and those have been amazing, comfortable and affordable. Gonna grab some Moondrop arias and jump into the IEM game
@obeliskt10242 жыл бұрын
basically open backs are the way to go for gaming. I've enjoyed my grado sr80e's (modded with removable cables and better headband) and I'd redo it again if ever it breaks. The way it just disappears on my head and the openness and wideness of sound that it presents is just so immersive.
@atthelord2 жыл бұрын
I feel open backs are also the way to go for music. If you have a remotely quiet space and even a 100£ to spend, there are some truly great options out there.
@obeliskt10242 жыл бұрын
@@atthelord +1 to that. the only situation I found open backs to have cons is when you're outside, travelling/commuting. That's where closed backs (especially ones with ANC) are more desirable. Still, I won't mind using an open back outside, as long as it isn't some big ass HP like a sennheiser/hifiman/mr speaker etc. (again, going back to my beloved grado which is small and light enough. oh there's also the koss porta's and the likes)
@MetaKnight9642 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure open backs are better for competitive gaming.
@WyattOShea2 жыл бұрын
Now if only a company came out with a closed back option for those of us that prefer closed backs that was only slightly worse than the open option for competitive gaming (got nothing against open backs and use them when I'm on discord with my mates). I just prefer to block out at much background noise as I can even though I live in a very quite environment most of the time lol.
@WyattOShea2 жыл бұрын
@@rhythimrt9970 in your opinion what iems do you believe are the best for gaming?. I don't really believe you but I'm willing to be proven wrong lol.