Crinacle is the Messiah we don't deserve

The Shang Chi of KZfaq audio reviewers.

Crinacle and Oratory1990.

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Shout-out crin!

I ain’t got the money to spend on that, it’s worth more than my entire pc

@@grantmckenzie787 Same here, and I have a 3070.

It's almost like it's a bait for people with money lol, damn affiliate links.

You could get an HD 8XX for a better price if you know where to look. The HD 700, though a maligned headphone, is also a great choice for gaming and can be found for far less. I spent $280 on mine and they can be found from $250-350 used. The soundstage is massive and they're extremely comfortable. They're also great for music with the Modhouse mod/Anaxilus mod done to reduce its 6k treble spike and with Dekoni Elite Velour or Fenestrated Sheepskin pads applied. They can be EQ'ed with the oratory1990 parametric EQ as well which brings them to the Harmon curve if you opt to.

@@pk.002 maybe you bought a used one. HD 700 cost 700 even more on usa. and HD800 cost 1500. i doubt you got HD700 for one third the price.

right...

I would rather buy a whole 15kG gaming pc setup or a rtx 4080,4090 than this 350gm Headphones

@@K1M01 which makes you kinda weird, getting a few more fps (which is admittedly nice if you have the monitor for it) instead of a direct improvement to your immersion in story games and competitive advantage in FPS games. There is one thing I agreee with you, it's that the 800s is way too much for gaming, 200$ IEMs and headphones like the PC38X already get you most of the way in terms of sound, it's diminishing returns from there, but it's the same thing for PCs, a 4080 price increase over the 4060 for example is not correlated with its performance increase

It's widely accepted in the headphone community that Sennheiser makes some of the best sounding and comfortable headphones, peak german engineering

​@@houssamalucad753I get your point but right now, I have a sh***y laptop that even lags on the simplest of games that are new, even on the lowest setting possible. Can't even play apex or fortnite above 50 fps on a good day. Was surprised that headsets costs more than my dream laptop/setup. I was expecting a more "budget" than a audipohile's budget recommendation on this video, which I luckily got from Crinacle with the Etika headset. I expected cheap headsets that at least matches its value(like below 50 usd) despite the soundstage being below what audiophiles like for their taste, at least it gives out the most with its price idea. I know the sennheiser gaming headset is already budget and can give the most value as these people recommended in the video, but honestly, I still wouldn't spend THAT much on a headset if I don't even have "gaming" peripherals, like a gaming mouse(I'm saving). Honestly, my immersion VISUALLY is more important than what I'm hearing. But true, the diminishing returns are mostly for the hobbyists/audiophiles. On a side note, anything you can recommend that is at least below 50 to 80 usd?

They will get use to it, just like the national deficit or lower back pain.

@UCqZ8bJCt19zoolusQBqevjA I like Zeos for entertainment but his opinions are wack. He pushed the GL2000s saying they were great... they are BAD.

what the heck is this lmaooo I read this comment before seeing that part and I was prepared for anything but this xD

@@ZReviews number one weeb on the internet

Zeos is the man. I die laughing with his analogies when describing headphones sounds 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Most ambitious crossover of all time

Alright let's talk about it

And dms and Josh jeez he got all my favorite channels

it's great, when i saw dms i was like 'ok so is he gonna get JV, zeos and resolve too??' joking around then he gets all them plus more! haha good vid.

No one can resist to say no to that mighty beard!

Crin is one of the funniest people in the entire review space.

stone cold humor, crin as always..

Oh I guess none of them besides crinacle z reviews had a nuraphone and recommended em for gaming

damn you basically got all the reviewers i've been watching ever since i got into audio equipment (mainly IEMs). Subscribed just because of that!

When using the 800s, what did u use for a mic ?

For budget i would just eq tune what ever your current headset is for gaming.

Great video amazed they didn't have any discussion between themselves. You should ask about an all rounder though. They all agreed the 800s weren't great for music. I wonder what all rounder they would suggest

I had that experience until i realized how much of a factor a sound card is and the means of sound data transmission. I own a10s that can sound than better than a40trs if the a10 is paired with a g6 sound card through an optical port. Clearly all console problems but true. I have the a40 mixamp tr as well and tbh the g6 maybe the better sound card. Now a headset that sounds good with a trash stock sound card are most high end turtle beechs in my experience. Consider also what program the headset is optimized for and what is actually being sent. Example uncompressed stereo converted to dolby or windows sonic etc. So the key here is limiting the amount of times this sht is converted. And the speed and amount of information will be determinded by the means of transmission. I think the optical port ia better than an hmdi 2.1 imo. Never looked at stats but it def feels better.

That's cos you have to configure it

use a good dac and a good amp

Gaming is mostly about mechanical skills and game sense, not peripheral. I play game with IEM and no problem hitting low GM in Overwatch / Divine IV in Dota2, consistently. For anyone wondering, currently I use 7hz Timeless that I bought at discounted price ($134 / RM599) with no dac amp. I use it mainly for music, but works just fine for non-pro "high-level gaming".

@@xrypro4080this was a terrible example. Overwatch and Dota 2 do not have insane sound importance as a game like siege or hunt showdown and maybe even cod.

It's weird you say all of them are great, cause I've seen people on a Reddit thread complain that Zeos isn't super knowledgeable.

@@5usp3c7 Z is plenty knowledgeable. people just hate him because he can get side tracked in his vids and has a habit of getting very passionate and sometimes overselling products. people also hate him for the fact that they don't agree with his tonal preferences (he loves fun, bassy headphones with wide soundstage and supreme comfort) which is a shitty argument because every reviewer has tonal preferences that they adhere to and judge headphones on. DMS for example likes his music to be as flat as a dead fish but the man has the ears of a fucking bat so he wants to hear every tiny shred of detail. some people would call DMS's preferences boring while others would call Zeos' tonal preferences that of a fucking caveman, you just have to know what your reviewer prefers and understand their inherent bias when reviewing headphones.

@@numairsalmalin3552 this!!! (buy dusk)

@@numairsalmalin3552 🙏

@@numairsalmalin3552 team caveman ftw. I’d feel the need to wear white gloves while listening if I was DMS. Each to their own but I want fun and snacks.

Sick of hearing people saying this shit as if we havent heard it a billion times already

@@trollmustard But what Zeos said about pro gamers getting sponsored to wear a piece of crap on their head but still being pro shows that the headset has little to no influence.

This is why I prefer a funner, slightly more bass heavy sound signature. Nothing to the point of sounding terribly muddy, but I don’t want my ears to bleed from harsh highs just for a slight competitive advantage

@@Towelie- not true at all. If you take a pro player with a set of shitty 80 dollar gaming headset. And you make a clone of that player only this time the clone is using a high fidelity headphone... the clone with the hifi is gonna take a shit on the 80 dollar headset clone

@@trollmustard you think the clone would absolutely DUNK on his original because of better headphones? Incremental advantage yes, but you're capping if you think it's anything more than that.

And then there are these audiophiles 'khm khm zeos' whos mic was so bad that i had to take off my headset because of the earrape, well it's better than those indian scam callers but still

The sound stage and imaging is really good as well, better than any Astro

I just destroyed mine in a fit of autistic gamer rage

I have a list of stuff I want to pick up from Epos. I’ve kinda slept on them since they launched.

@@badseedtech it’s definitely better than I’d hoped! Especially since I’m now accustomed to open-back gaming.

Same. I can wear the 6XXs for hours without my ears getting tired or sore. I use a Aune X7s amp to push them and they sound great, but the comfort is unmatched!

I've tried to use my 6XX for gaming but it's borderline disorienting compared to my G4ME One. They're falling aprt so I'll need a replacement soon, was hoping for something other then the obvious answer of the PC38x as they're expensiveAF in Canada... maybe another set of game one is in order.

hd650 isn’t that bad for gaming,from all the headphones i try, i can tell you it is way better than almost all “rgb gaming headphones “ on the market. i heard 6xx is basically a 650 so my experience with 650 should apply to 6xx owners

Fun fact: Zeos CRUSHES it on Fortnite 😉 Also, that’s a surprisingly pricy choice from you. I’m impressed.

Stinkin cozy

Glad to hear this from at least one person. Recently dropped $1200 on LCD-X's a few months back and seeing every answer here be towards the HD 800 S was heartbreaking as that was my other choice.

Stinkin Cozy

i heard your voice as i read your comment LOL stinkin cozy

I noticed the Sennheiser HD560S is above the PC38X huh, interesting. Also I noticed the Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X is below both, fascinating. I thought DT 900 Pro X would be much better in gaming regards.

"Oh yeah, I think it's important to note that this is one product category that you should just ignore the GAMING branding for." I have one caveat to this, and only one. In my opinion the Coolermaster MH751/MH752s are very good headphones. Particularly when considering the price of about $80. Solid soundstage for a closedback headphone (which I prefer as I don't live alone), descent curve, and a mic that blew me away when I used it. No built in mic should be that good. I used mine until they fell apart and still debated buying new ones afterward.

@@ethanaterx5046 Yeah, glad you've got something that works well for you. What I meant wasn't that you shouldn't buy any gaming branded headphone. Moreso that being "GAMING" doesn't make a headphone a good headphone, not even necessarily for gaming. There can still be good headphones with that branding, but if you are in the market for one of these, you should be looking at "headphones" in general and find what meets your needs. You shouldn't immediately hop into the "Gaming headphones" section and expect them to automatically be the best option for a gamer. Honestly though, I would say this about all kinds of stuff. So many Gaming products are pieces of garbage. Gaming Chairs, Gaming Keyboards, and yes, Gaming Headphones. All of these categories are filled with junk that they slapped the Gaming branding and some RGB on so some kid would immediately gravitate towards it and waste their money before they can figure out that what they're buying is junk.

@@joeyl.3007 I definitely agree here, most gaming stuff is hot garbage

Lol yeah, was distracting me.

I own the k712 pro and it is great for gaming.

boy do i have news for you

Agreed. 240Hz monitor owner and I have Clears and a whole bunch of others. The monitor makes a huge difference. Headphones? sometimes I blast music while gaming, even FPS gaming. The headphones are a nice to have.

I find gaming mouse the most important bit, normal (wireless) office mice can't keep up with the flicks in FPS games because the sensor read rate is too low and they might drift. With wired mouse I find it less of an issue but wireless is so nice.

I have a decent 1440p 144hz monitor, a custom keyboard, a g pro Superlight modded with new switches and skates, a custom built computer and a wide variety of headphones. I think when the audio in a game is done right, the headphones are the most important part I would need to keep above using cheap everything else. Doesn’t need to be 800S but after using many many headphones, IEM’s, gaming headphones, speaker setups, the 800S really is something else for gaming.

@@SmartFool24 Do you think you'd be better off in a competitive environment with a 125hz polling rate laser office mouse and the 800S or literally any non-trash gaming mouse and $10 headphones? We both know the right answer.

@@shawndiaz7528 Exactly. Unless you're playing with people at your skill level in FPS games, audio is semi-redundant. At least my KD barely changes when I'm not using headphones and just blasting music.

Yup. Still haven't found anything more comfortable for long term gaming sessions than the 598 series.

I love my pair HD 598s. Had em for years and they are comfortable as hell for long sessions. Sure I could go and grab a better pair but for gaming, it does just fine. I don't think getting something more expensive will prevent me from getting slapped in Escape from Tarkov hah

Same here I dominate using the shittiest gears. However, once in a while, we would like to use something that really blow our socks off just to enjoy the game. I dont need the most accurate imagine but once in a while hearing real life imaging in game is fun.

@@TheGreektrojan The HD 598 is near perfection… but the PC38X’s and HD 560S’ small tweak of having a divot at the peak of the headband prevents a hot spot right there on my now-balding head, so I find it slightly more comfortable. They both have squishy soft headband padding instead of leatherette wrapped padding, too. And… well, nothing has topped the HD 800 series for me. It’s surprisingly light for its size, the clamp is light and just perfect, it has that divot and a wide headband, FOR ME the microsuede feels great because it doesn’t get itchy, hot, or sweaty… it’s literally the only headphone (series) I’ve had where I can forget I’m wearing headphones and be totally immersed in the game. That said, if I’m on the edge of my seat and getting worked up while playing competitive or chatting/shouting with friends, the extra clamp on the HD 500 series and PC300 series keeps the headphone snug and stable on my head better, while the HD 800 might slip around a bit. Everything has pros and cons! Even the a leather headband/earpad is easier to wipe clean of sweat!

I did not get to top 1000 on NA Valorant with my Hifiman Arya *wink* *wink*

Is that what he said. I was too distracted by his screen of anime.

@@kyron42 Yeah, that was pretty cringe

@@ShadVanDenHul that's my brand.

@@ZReviews they must be new here

@@ZReviews it looks like moondrop stole your idea and is becoming very successful.

Resolve is such an elegant reviewer. One of the reasons why I bought a verite closed and absolutely enjoy the hell outta of them is because of resolves enthusiasm for the verite open. I like closed headphones more that's why I got the closed.

Hi Resolve

I was expecting that you tell about the ZMF Verite C

@@hectormanuelgomezmedina9387 I have yet to review the verite c. Maybe one day haha.

sell them all and get the 560 s

makes me feel a little better owning the 560s as first set of decent headphones matched with ifi stack.@@pwn3426

I play a lot of battlefield with friends and using better headphones hasn't made me better but it definitely has made the game more fun, the extra immersion changes the experience immensely for me But definitely hasn't made me better lol

Late but found this video in my recommended. I was similar to you.. tried DT990’s and loved open back.. went to DT1990’s, then went HD800S. Had both for a while but after the HD800S even the 1990’s began to feel semi closed back, it was really weird. I use the HD800S every single day for music, tv etc and of course, gaming. And I don’t think I could ever use anything else. They were a little bright for me but I used Oratory’s EQ and got some Dekoni pads.

What amp/dac do you use?

@@williamhendricks2633 THX AAA 789 AMP, Topping D50s for DAC.

I agree. I know the price is steep, but I look at it as an investment rather than an indulgence. You still don't have to spend $1500-1700 new on them, I got them from an Amazon Warehouse deal for $900. I'm tired of buying budget and mid range headphones which don't give me what I'm looking for, and the amount of money I've spent on those surpass the cost of an HD 800 S anyway.

Do the HD555 still live? I still use my HD515 bought in 2011 :) I've "upgraded" to HD58x, but found that the lack of smoothness in the lows in HD515 is actually great for rock/metal music - the drums sound way healthier and faster. I dream of the day I could afford a used HD800.

I have some as well and I agree, it's a fantastic upgrade from my aged raggedy stock earpads.

Same setup but I have an x4 and stock ear cups they really don’t bother me at all

I did the same thing, actually. I was using portapros with yaxis pads and the parts express band prior to that. I will say my music enjoyment went DOWN after the shock at actual sub bass wore off. But my kills in siege went way up. Granted, siege has probably the worst audio engine of all time.. But the Koss drivers had very bad imaging in comparison, even if their soundstage is wider. I am curious if the KPH40 has better imaging, and better clarity in bass at high volume than the older porta pros. Those two factors are what caused me to drop more than $300 on an "upgrade" in the mmx300.

facts. but i bet most sheeps out there wont listen lol

I didnt come here to look for an "edge to win". I came looking for a product with good durability, good sound and good comfort. This video was practically usless due to lack of detail. Last one didnt even say what model those headphones were. 🤷.

@@metallboy25 - I'd recommend Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro, AKG 271 or one of the HyperX Cloud for closed over the ear headphones. - AKG K702, or Sennheiser HD series (600, 650, 800) for open ones, some of those high-end Sennheisers can be reaaally pricey though. But except for the HyperX, these I recommend are not gaming headphones though (only the HyperX has a mic.) They just sound excellent and are particularly comfortable

thats the struggle for me… personally it has always been a dream for me to grab a pair of audeze for yearssss, esp the release of the mm-500, but i agree they are not suitable for long hrs of wearing.. while hd800s are comfortable but the cups feel too big for me

They are too sharp .. I bought also the TYGR and now I will sell my MMX300

im using the Logitech g pro x at the moment too and was thinking of buying the pc38x. After having had them for a few months would you still say the money is worth the upgrade? Or is it more just a minor bump in audio quality?

@@KhapriSun any “gaming headphones” released by these company are basically trash, u get way better value out of that. just dump the g pro x whatever shit it call

How does it sound with music?

That’s a sharp eye - that’s exactly what that was.

Point out where the little anime girl is then come back. Scared of a 4 letter word?

Same here! I just have a MT-602 tube amp as well when I need a bit more "flavour"

Same here.

I'm glad I'm not the only one using the Sundaras! The tuning might not be "ideal" for gaming, but it's pretty close to it and they sound so damn good for its price that it's hard to reach for anything else.

Same here, except I run mine through the Schiit Hel. Absolutely love it.

I use the Sundara too. It's great 👍

Hey bug

it will be good battle, best retails vs xiaomi ears

Z is total missunderstanging on this review, any hard competetive guy would wear spikes on their head just to have that advantage of geting the info of enemys positioning or whatever the advantage.

Hey Wheezy, thanks for the recommendations. I own all those headphones for gaming except the 1990 (I have the 990) and I'm Glad to know I made the right choices for gaming headphones

What do you think about the Fidelio X2HR for gaming? I heard it has an incredible sound stage

Tygr300r or hd560s?

Profile pic checks out

what a man

I like his content and knowledge on headphones but i do get pedo vibes sometimes with the young looking girls on his screen and then i have to turn it off... I don't get why people are into that kind of shit.

Not manly in any sense.

@@BerserkeR_031 Based.

Honestly I agree I have the mmx 300 Gen 2s as well the only gripe I have with them is the stock pads and cables and thank God those can be replaced

You might like the added comfort from some Dekoni ear pads. They have a little more cushion which adds the slightest amount of squeeze to keep them in place but still same large pads and actually helps mellow the highs a pinch and support the mids and lows. Think josh talked about them in his review of the 800 or maybe 8xx.

Yep... and if you do want super quality audio for gaming... a 350 dollar Hifiman Sundara is the closest thing to end-game for a casual consumer anyway... these 1000+ dollar headphones are for audiophiles and rich people. >_> I say, stick with Sennheiser if you want the best in cheap headphones with good audio quality and comfort... Sennheiser is the master of that, anyway. A Game One, PC38X, HD599... They're all great. But if you want end-game... A Schiit Stack, Modi 3+ with Magni Heresy, and a Hifiman Sundara, and you've got the dream setup, for LIFE, and even future proofed yourself a bit, because the Heresy has A LOT of power, and can run just about anything you can throw at it, just in case you, some day, have the desire and opportunity to test other headphones. xD Totals out to roughly 550 dollars for the whole setup, and you're set for life, or something close to it, anyways. :)

@@MyouKyuubi Schiit stacks are awesome. I own a couple stacks myself.

@@MyouKyuubi Where does the music come from? Your phone? Or does it have to be a computer? Thanks

@@AwesomeLevi That depends entirely on the DAC and Amp you're using. There are options for phones too (Portable dac/amp combos and stuff), but i wouldn't recommend the Sundara with a phone, i would recommend a closed-back headphone for phone usage... Something suitable for travel, so you don't bother the people around you with your music, because the Sundara does not isolate, whatsoever, they kinda double as desktop speakers, everyone around you can hear what you're listening to, even at low volumes, they are not just open-back headphones, acoustically speaking, they're completely naked. :P I use my setup primarily for PC, but, the DAC has multiple audio-inputs that i can swap between with a physical switch. So theoretically, i could hook the dac up to an Xbox with the Optical Analogue input, and a CD player with the Optical Coaxial, and just use the USB connection for my PC, simultaneously... Then, whenever i wanna listen to some CD, i just flick the switch to the appropriate channel, and i'll hear what the CD-player is playing in my Sundara, without having to mess about with cables every time i make a switch. :P This particular dac only has those three input options though, however, there's a wide range of dacs out there (as well as amps) with different inputs and different use-cases.

@@MyouKyuubi Thank you for the thoughtful and detailed response! That helps a lot. Where did you learn to do this stuff? Or is it just years of trial and error, forums and learning from KZfaq? I suppose everything sounds a little complicated to me because it's something I've only recently taken an interest in.

Let me tell you, this is one of the best comments here, and I totally agree with you. I would love these two to collaborate: Crin tunes the IEM Zeos chooses and designs the box’s Waifu

great headphones but not the best comfort for prolonged hrs of gaming. btw i assumed the actual gaming timer out there refers to up to 8hrs consecutively

I have clips to prove it haha

I'm using DT 1990 for gaming. How would you compare it with HD800S?

@@berkarslan if it’s just for gaming I think the 1990’s are very good. HD800S really is overkill, although I do love them of course. I found that after using the HD800S the DT1990’s actually felt semi closed back, not sure if that makes sense really. The HD800S are very neutral, although some find them a bit bright. I think 1990’s have a bit more “oomph” on the low end. I’ve had my HD800S for I want to say 2+ years now, and I’ll probably never change them unless they break one day and I go down the rabbit hole again.

@@Inconsistense Whats your total setup for this? Like AMP / DAC / MOBO? I'm considering the 800s but I don't know what accessories I'll need to go with it.

@@SternLobster43 My setup is HD800s> Schiit Jotunheim 2>schiit modi multi bit >Asus z690 formula, I upgraded my cpu and to DDR5 ram at the start of 2022 and that was one of the only boards I could get stock wise and I’d been waiting for months and just got impatient, so I’m not sure you need the exact same board. Also in terms of my audio chain, as I said in the original comment I upgraded the headphones over time and the same goes for my amp/DAC etc. I could argue with myself that it’s quite excessive for gaming really, but I do enjoy them a lot. Let me know if you have any more questions.

i’m looking to buy the DT 990 pros but not sure what’s the best for gaming. trying to spend less than 200 but MAX would be 250

Is it still like that? Like how good are they for comp fps games?

JUST getting into IEMs - ordered a bunch and gonna spend some time sorting through them all.

I've been curious as I'd like to give IEMs a try for gaming, do you use them when talking with people in discord? I haven't been able to get used to the muted "in my head" sound while I'm talking with the IEMs sealed

Spoilers

He speaks the truth😂

i jus tgot my Tyger 300R. and to be honest in dont like them for music. you can clearly hear that they are market for gaming. for music i use my ATH-MSR7b from Audio Technica. the Tyger does have more bass then the MSR7b but the MSR7b are target for Studio so it got a very flat sound. But no i dont really enjoy Music or movies with the Tyger 300R. For gaming so far i didnt find any problems.

Did the same with K7XX Nice velour memory foam pads, Epic staging and small low end boost/foam cap cover. Equally nice for podcasts/movies.

You try the tygr300r?

For the sound quality? What about mic is that good on them?

@@marzipanda_ I used a boom mic with an extendable arm, but any of the vmoda or modmic's work well too.

@@YTjuanchicod I have the pc38x and have bought the Beyerdynamic tygr300 to compare them as price wise they are the same. Comfort goes to tygr 300 for sure. Listening to music goes to PC 38X. Gaming goes to tygr 300 BUT the two headphones were giving quite different experiences. To explain: Tygr 300 game great sound stage and had the sounds of footsteps boosted by a lot. Like, playing Battlefield 1 I could hear footsteps very clearly and had the direction point on from where it was coming. However! It seemed like it was lacking other small detail sounds like weapons not having the same punch or metalic clicking. It just felt like some sounds were surpressed in favor of other frequencies ie footsteps. I sold tygr 300 and kept the PC 38X because I enjoyed the sound more. The soundstage isn't as great as the Tygr had but it is still good as well as directional sound. Also I like to listen to music so that gave 38X a huge favor. The mic is just there for convenience in my case.

@@klobasa999 great answer bro. First i go for the hd560s and then swaped it for the beyer dt 900 pro x

So true, i dont give a f about beeing better, i care about a better experience

What other headphones u used before ?

Headphone positional audio is CPU work, not acoustics work. If you can enable HRTF in your game, you're set.

@@sanjacobs6261 I’ve never felt the dsp stuff works as good as just a decent DAC/amp and some good headphones.

@@MrAyrit I wouldn't call it DSP as it happens in the synthesis/sample playback stage in the game, and it's pretty much the only way to do proper spacial audio in headphones. No DAC+Amp+HP combo or DSP can get you what well implemented HRTF can.

@@sanjacobs6261 could you explain what HRTF is? I’m not familiar with that acronym.

@@MrAyrit Ah, Head-Related Transfer Function. Basically emulates a real head at the camera position in the game, so sounds coming from the right will be played slightly earlier for the right ear, just like how the sound would reach one ear before the other IRL. There are of course many more factors it takes into account to make it work, but that's one. It gives you a near perfect surround sound experience on any binaural speaker setup, whether headphones or earbuds. Look for it in CS:GO's sound settings for instance.

Yeah. I have the 800S which are better and actually easier to power than the Sundara, but the Sundara has a really nice mix of everything and a good overall quality for gaming with that I enjoy.

I still think that IEM is the choice for gaming. Since IEMs go very deep into the ear it's essentially gives you a "closer" sound and you are able to hear footsteps and other sounds perfectly fine.

@@mrdeathamore IEMs don't agree with my ear canals for long use unfortunately and at the end of the day, comfort is king.

@@mrdeathamore in certain situations where the room is loud, sure. In a relatively quiet room with a good set of open back headphones then I’d take the headphones over the IEM’s.

of course... ultra biased.

I only use my Mobius for media consumption in the living room when the missus falls asleep, and every time I do I wonder why I don't use them more. I absolutely love them. Other dailies are HFM Ananda, Audioquest Nighthawk, UM Mest. Mobius is just a lovely lovely sound. And that's BEFORE you get into spatial!!!

I feel open backs are also the way to go for music. If you have a remotely quiet space and even a 100£ to spend, there are some truly great options out there.

@@atthelord +1 to that. the only situation I found open backs to have cons is when you're outside, travelling/commuting. That's where closed backs (especially ones with ANC) are more desirable. Still, I won't mind using an open back outside, as long as it isn't some big ass HP like a sennheiser/hifiman/mr speaker etc. (again, going back to my beloved grado which is small and light enough. oh there's also the koss porta's and the likes)

Pretty sure open backs are better for competitive gaming.

Now if only a company came out with a closed back option for those of us that prefer closed backs that was only slightly worse than the open option for competitive gaming (got nothing against open backs and use them when I'm on discord with my mates). I just prefer to block out at much background noise as I can even though I live in a very quite environment most of the time lol.

@@rhythimrt9970 in your opinion what iems do you believe are the best for gaming?. I don't really believe you but I'm willing to be proven wrong lol.