Well, I did worse as a dark urge.

Well good thing I killed her then (as Durge)

I did it. Some yelling from her, but i just give her a kiss and it’s over. Only a win to you to get that sweet demonussy

I did it. I cheated on her with every single character I could, lmao.

I couldn't bear to watch it. I had to skip, I couldn't listen to the pain in her voice any more lol

Sad thing about Astarion is that he's lying. He basically tells you verbatim that he's not sure if he'll be able to be intimate for a long time. If you do end up being intimate with others (like w/ him in the brothel) he dissociates and doesn't have a good time. He's also pretty insecure about you sleeping with Halsin

@@katie5998 Is there a version in the brothel group scene where Astarion doesn't dissociate? Thought that always happens. Astarion is physically there for it but not mentally while Gale is not physically there but is mentally there.

​@@sirus804 No, you're correct it always happens regardless of how his personal quest ends, the only difference is the variation, sorry if I was unclear on that. Acended he's a bit colder, as a vampire-spawn it's more obvious he's not happy. There a difference if you go to the brothel before his personal quest. If you do this, he tells you that he's uncomfortable and doesn't want to and the scene doesn't happen. I think he only agrees after his personal quest because he wants to believe that Cazador--the center-piece of his sexual trauma--being gone will have changed how he feels about it. It doesn't.

With shadowheart u are exclusive but with a devil you only need to ask next time

Baldurs Gate 3: the good, the bad, and the Astarian. 😂

i think we all did the same 🤣😂

laughed like an idiot for a few seconds

Sooooo true!!! 🤣

Seeing that quick save also made me crack up laughing too! Totally felt!🥴😂

Lmao yeaaaaa

Seriously. As far as I know there is no dialogue option where she breaks up with you, no matter how mean you are in this encounter. You can break up with her, but she won’t end it.

I think its bc early in your relationship she gives you an option for it to be an open relationship and so considering its possible for the two of you to never confirm its exclusive she may realize that being open may have been permission to do it even though it was the 1 person shed rather you didnt with

@@lokiserpentem8534I don’t think it was an open relationship as such though was it? More an opportunity to bang someone else before you got serious with her to put it bluntly

​@@violetsturgill,

Dude. I'm going to do it with my Destroyer run through. Just some girl whose sole purpose is to kill and destroy everything she comes across in every crappy worst decision ever way. Why? She was scorned and now hates the world and everything in it.

​@@KitzishotThe edge lord run

That makes things even better 😅

​@@The.Usurpersounds like avg straight Durge run.

@@alvarodiazrodriguez2603 nah the trick to playing an edge lord run is not to play as Durge but as Tav. It’s more fun that way, sure you don’t get the option to eat Gales arm or kill everyone, but you can still be an asshole 🤷‍♀️

Agreed, and I think there's something that a lot of people are missing when they're wondering why Larian made Karlach 'forgive' the player: she's utterly desperate to hold onto the connection she has. she knows her days are numbered and that number is coming up quickly; she's hurt and aching and betrayed all at once, but you, the player, are the one shining beacon of what her hopes and positivity were funnelled into. Karlach isn't forgiving the player because it's what she wants to do, but rather because she has no choice if she wants to see any more good in the world for the few days she has left to walk it. I find her forgiveness of these characters to be equally - or even more - heartbreaking than the ones that ended the relationship.

@@Spectreofwar Thanks, you just made it even worse

@@Spectreofwar Theres a special place in Avernus for people who intentionally hurt Karlach tbh

Karlach too... and Lae'zel is devastated too. And even Shadowheart is not hiding her distaste for your choice that well.

besides killing him in the grove for siding with the Drow haters?

​@@neongloom4570drow haters??? The refugees lol?

HAHAHAHA

the second worst thing, play wyll origin and romance Mizora :)

LMFAOOO the writers know whats up

To be fair, if you chose Halsin, it isn't cheating, he made it clear you were poly from the start. But the options are still cheater replies.

@@kiterafrey yeah I think Halsin is the only one who would be like “why didn’t you invite me to join”, the rest of them are hurt by this, even if they don’t outright say it

@@elenalizabeth Halsin actually told me no when I said he should've been there on my 1 non-Astarion run. He said, "Some experiences are meant just for you to enjoy." And then said something like "You deserve discoveries anew" only the first part of his statement stuck. I thought it was sweet.

​@@elenalizabethBut it seems strange that Halsin would be ok with this, with Mizora I mean.

yeah it's the most heartbreaking reaction, and I don't even like wyll that much

Same. That destroyed me even more than Karlach's reaction. 😭

@@gammavector79 "Dark Urge, bro. I bang and kill who I please as long as I keep this train on the tracks."

She also knows just how sick and twisted the devils are at lies and manipulation. Both Karlach and Wyll should be fully aware of this and to me it makes sense why they should actually be more forgiving/understanding of it. At the very least if you pick the right dialogue options. At the end of the day it's a role playing game, the point is not the best or most effective outcome but the way you explain your own character's actions through those dialogue options.

I didn't really like her logic of, "She works for Zariel so she's pure evil." So did you, Karlach, so did you and you did horrible things following orders too. Yes, Karlach had it much worse than Mizora but it's not like Mizora is free from Zariel either. What would happen to Mizora if she defies Zariel? It's not that simple.

​@@sirus804it actually is pretty simple because mizora straight up tells you how much she loves avernus while karlach constantly tells you how she'd rather die than go back. Mizora may not be serving zariel completely of her own will but she likes what she does and is undeniably evil

I cant 😓 with everyone else Im fine but not with baby Karlach 👺👺👺

@@sirus804, Karlach literally told you that Mizora is part of Zariel's inner circle BY CHOICE. That's very different from being taken as a child, having your heart replaced, and being thrown in the Blood Wars where hesitation will get you killed.

what about sleeping with Mizora as Wyll origin

@@coops1992 That's not evil, it's just taking advantage of a bad situation, and getting something mildly worthwhile out of being pacted to a half-devil babe.

that makes a lot of sense now

Will this ever be patched or should I just reload every single time I see a "continue" ?

Whaaaat? I just assumed it was a break in long dialog. I did a few times feel like the conversation took a turn after clicking that! They're replying to something I didn't know I said? That sucks.

Tried to save/reload for one, still had "continue"

I hate that glitch

Indeed, Im actually upset that they would make Karlach forgive that tbh...

shadowheart has boundaries too....they are just a bit wider then most

I prefer Halsin. He's cool with whatever.

@@mustsnip537 She got mad about this sort of stuff in my last playthrough, I'm not exactly sure what triggers it but there is something that will cause her to not be cool with sharing.

@@ColonelBragg follower of shar?

The Darker Urge

@@advantius"Killing and eating babies? Yeah, I do that on a day that ends in y, but cheating on Wyll with the one who has his soul in a vice grip? By Bhaal, now that's going too far even for me!

He disapproved of me not helping Wulbren and siding with Barcus which I thought was weird and had to of been a bug, It just seems really out of character for him to support siding with what is essentially a terrorist.

@@ColonelBragg apparently making a certain choice to finish his primary mission in act 1 can cause him to harden and become more ends-justifies-the-means (aka less heroically good) which would make sense as both a consequence of that major decision and him supporting wulbren instead of barcus. if he didn't do the thing in your run then i imagine it's just an oversight

@@spencerlively3049what choice are you referring to?

​@@pearsemolloy9656I suppose it's about killing Karlach

Yeah. Also very odd for Astarion to be the one to cut the conversation short. He's really not one to not immediately snoop

finally someone gets it

Maybe with the first thing she said, but the second statement she made had it seem like she wanted attention too, not like she was mad that Tav did it with someone else. Also, she was cool with the drow twins as well, it all points to her not necessarily being super exclusive or jealous.

At first, she was annoyed that Tav would do it behind her back without even checking on how she'd feel about it, but I didn't really do much else to keep her liking me after that and she was totally cool. I think you're reading it wrong

@@gabrielov8027 When Shadowheart gets defensive, she says what she doesn't mean. At first she tries to manipulate MC into feeling guilty. She does value loyalty, and pointing out a swan is better at it is a clear jab into you conscience. She brings up the way she was raised as a reason why she shouldn't be jealous. It's like saying "my manners don't allow me to tell you go fck yourself".

@@user-li5cr6wv5b she fell back on shar so often through out the game. I mean as a way to dismiss the idea that she deserves happiness. Or just gave the party line, despite feeling differently about something that was said or an action. For her to then bring up that she expects it cause that's how she was raised as a sharaan, that stung for me. And I've only seen the video, Ive turned mizora down in my playthroughs. Yeah she will get with the drow twins, but she is also asked. Same with halsin. The way she responded to mizora, it was like she was hurt but she came to expect that behavior so she accepted it. Which would make me feel like an even bigger pos

By that point, you have completely turned her entire world on itself. You've shattered everything she's ever believed in and completely changed her outlook on life. During all this, you were her anchor. You were next to her when she began suffering the worst fate imaginable to her people: being infected by a mindflayer. You were there when her own people turned on her. You were there, standing next to her, as she spat in the face of the being she used to consider an actual god. Now, by doing this, you've destroyed the only true connection she has left. She finally learned what it was like to feel and to love, and you ripped away the one person she felt comfortable expressing this to.

​@@LordDaedhelorFuck, Lae'zel really is the most underrated companion in game... so many people thought her a weird alien bean in Act 1...

@@the_tactician9858I hate when people mock her or call her mean and annoying. She’s actually the most romantic companion

I'm in a deep romance stage with her rn and she's a softy the closer you get to her. I will not cheat on her with Mizora

@@LordDaedhelor *Spoilers* If she won't have me as a Mind Flayer, she can't have me to watch the sunrise. Being dumped by her was brutal.

She is in general, she just doesn't want to lose her bond with you since she knows she doesn't have much time left

i romanced him and he had no problem, also told me to invite him if this happens again, lol

@@AsterionfuI think he’s putting on a front.

​@@ChromaticEagle everyone who says this has no idea who his character is. He himself hints at and even says that sex means nothing to him because he's had to use it as a means to an end; it's even implied in the first scene where your character can make a remark about "It seems like you weren't all there." It's because sex for him is a form of manipulating people into liking him to lure them back to Cazadore; and now that he doesn't have to do that, it's just simple fun and nothing more. He's not putting on a front because of PTSD, he just genuinely doesn't care because he doesn't think it's important.

​@@shivv3rzHis PTSD does seep in sometimes though. Like if you take him to the drows.

@@MCSPARTAN501 Of course it does. He was tortured and violently abused for 200. FUCKING. YEARS. His PTSD is going to seep into EVERYTHING he does. Which it does. That doesn't mean it's the sole reason he's comfortable with an open/poly relationship. Open and Poly relationships are real and normal and don't only exist as a result of trauma, i don't understand why people see the two sources of poly representation and immediately start blaming it on their trauma. They're traumatized because it makes for a good story, and being Poly expands on that story and who they are as an individual because it's interesting, not because it's a result of the trauma

I will never betray bae’zel, source of my joy

Gale dumped me for being with karlach before I realized gale liked me, he's possessive lol

@@N0sdrinker He's not actually like that, it's bc his approval system has been bugged since release and Larian's still trying to fix it

I plan on working my way through all the origin characters. Will probably take me some time though. It took me 6 months to do all my Mass Effect Legendary Edition videos

Nearly there as wyll romancing shadowheart rn 💪

Agreed, it felt like she accepted it because that's what she was taught. (And we all know how well the sharrans taught) But she was also hoping for something different from the MC. Something better or more. Like she thought more of the MC and was disappointed. But be them twin drow or devils, I could never make these choices lol

@@Dactess The twin drows are actually pretty ok if you've done her final Romance act beforehand. She's chill with it.

@@trh3xa174 I know but I'm not too keen on sharing my fictional love interest with some npc... so yeah. The twins weren't bad, I just prefer her lighter route, and for me it didn't really fit. I am a romantic and I like the idea of shadow finding the type of love she never got while with shar. Which means no cheating for my character lol I think if I put this much thought into my last real relationship, it wouldn't have ended poorly 🤔

@@Dactess Well it's not really "cheating" since she's there for the 4-some though. When I did the twins in one playthrough they asked her to be in it and she wanted to be in it as well.

@@trh3xa174 pretty sure if she is with you, you can only do the foursome. I mean the MC isn't allowed to just go off with one of them. You can only partake with her involved. I believe. I didn't really focus too much on it in the game. So I guess her response of "if you're fine with sharing, I am." Fits her attitude. With mizora, you go behind her back. So I felt she was hurt by that. Still, after all the bs her character goes through, I feel she deserves the fairytale ending with a loyal partner that shows her real love and not that sharran bs. So as I said, no drow or devils for my character. As for naoise, I don't know how to classify that encounter. But that is just how I played.

Same thing happened - Mizora approached me and I agreed but then the Emperor scene triggered instead (so I did that), next long-rest was the Halsin-bear scene (so I did that), and then I finished Astarion's personal quest and *he* had a long-rest scene (so I did that), and THEN I took him and Halsin to the drow twins... and we did that... and finally, only after my guy had started seriously sleeping his way through Faerun, the Mizora scene triggered. After that he moved on to Haarlep lol. But you're saying you got them on separate long-rests or the same one? That would be hilarious if you could get it all in the "same" night lmao.

He has another line if you ask him if he wanted to be with her, and he says “why would I want to be with anyone but you??” And I CREID

And of all of them, he's the only one that genuinely is just cool with it. Astarion is jealous, and he hides it behind acting like he wanted to participate, but I think underneath he's just jealous period. Shadowheart says it's okay, but I think she is still hurt. Halsin though, his only reservations with it are WHO it was, but he isn't upset just concerned a little. I love how not only is Halsin just absurdly forward, every other character makes comments about him. Dude is just a magnet.

@@Lord_zeel astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)

Same here bro

that's because it bugs out if he doesn't ascend, everything you see here is meant to be said by ascended astarion only

Astarion is just pretending he doesn't care because he's afraid you'll abandon him, the only one who's actually cool with it is Halsin

@@thearcanamodernau8130 I am going to cry

@@BRAIIIIIINS yeah, bbg has a lot of self esteem issues

She probably would kill you

Like, to me, even shadowheart seemed more upset then what was let on. She accepted it because that's what she was taught, but at the same time, she acted like she wanted it to be different or she wanted more from the mc. Or it's as simple as it was, she just wanted to know beforehand. I feel karlach just didn't want to lose what she has been wanting for so long. At least that's how I explain her not sending the MC to the streets if they did this. Same with laezel, she was blunt enough. Choice leaves me feeling bad for all but yeah it is royally f*cked up to do this to karlach

@@Dactess I was being a combination of facetious & provocative (y'know internet) as it relates to Shadowheart. In full earnestness, its clear that Shadowheart was bothered -- probably safe to just say "hurt". Most of us innately want to feel that we're special enough to lock down someone we like into a dedicated relationship. When we think that (committed relationship) may be the case, and the other person does something to show us we were wrong in that assumption, it stings. I think the full view in Shadowhearts case, is that she was hurt, but doesn't want to make the demand of commitment or walk off -- as Lae'zel did. Because she either more fears being without someone, or because her self worth tells her that she cant lock a somewhat decent person down. I draw these conclusions based on what we see of Shadowheart as a person from the entire game experience. Lae'zel has a high sense of self worth & self respect. So when you cheat on her, shes hurt but cant accept allowing herself to be treated that way -- so its over.

@@atresaoxxx3573 " *She probably would kill you* " I can see that

@@insertnamehere8121 I didn't take it as an insult or anything, just assumed you meant she was fine with it. But I agree with your take and you did a far better job wording it than I did. After seeing most of her story, this and the light hearted twin conversation just didn't sit right with me. Gave me the impression that she felt she had to accept certain things so she wouldn't lose the mc. Same with karlach. Maybe.

i have minthara and wyll in my party and just got to the mizora asking me to bed part, unfortunate that i cant find out what happens, probably gonna save and reload to see the outcome but not actually cheat on my minthara

You cant get Wyll and Minthara and no Wyll means no Snu Snu w the patron