According to data mines, a lot of her story and endings were cut. Lets hope we get them in something like a "definitive/absolute edition" of the game

​@@dotEXCEI_I really feel the ending of bg3 is rushed. My Tav had absorbed only 4 illithids, but at the end [SPOILER] the choice between Orpheous and the Emperor and that someone has to become a mind flayer feel very forced. We don't even have slides about the companions after the plot or Act 1and 2. A great game still, but with a disappointing endgame. Hope they can fix that soon.

Good news! They are working on a new epilogue for Karlach. Was described as an ending she deserved.

We got a semi-good ending where we get to go to avernus with karlach and wyll, and also got a new scene in the epilogue. Looks like this will probably we it for her, which I'm pretty satisfied with.

At least she has friends now that won't betray her in Avernus. This end is much more satisfying than seeing her burn. Still wish she could be fixed.

BEST.DESCRIPTION.EVER!!!!!!

So SHE'S the lance energized by the full concentrated power *OF THE SUN!!*

@@Shiverwar read it in the voice, and yes.

Just say when and where im willing to travel for this riot if it happens

Apparently Larian cut a ton of content, including Avernus where we could save Karlach. Hoping they reintroduce it!

Yeah, I'm not even playing until they make an option for us to save her.

@@goldog26 larian is known to bring back cut content in definitive editions

​@@kaso236"absolute" edition 😅

She's the sweetest, that's for sure

What about her origin ending? Nobody has played as her origin yet for example.....SPOILERS In Gale origin he literally becomes a God and fights Mistra

Her mindflayer ending is pretty good.

@@ozymandias8523 'Cept its a fight he never could have won.

Well, there actually is a controversially good ending when she becomes illithid. She gets to live and to continue travelling with you and the guys. She's pretty happy and thanks you for it.

It's similar to the Wulbren situation. I vividly remember him saying the Gondorians should've sacrificed themselves just to defy Gortash, and because they didn't, they deserve to die like cowards under a motherfucking nuclear weapon. Shit was fucked up beyond belief, and I was genuinely appalled the moment I heard the words come out of his mouth.

Giving her revenge always feels great, it just sucks that it feels so hollow for her and rightfully so, considering we currently don't have the content to save her.

Karlach is the question “do? Or die?” And the answer is YES!!!!!

she died

@Gamerguy-ud1zo preach brother.

Now, I am really tempting to buy a gaming pc so I can play this game

Don't compare Karlach to that chicken-toed sickly encyclopedia with no personality.

@@Megatron_95 supposedly it will be next year by the time console versions are released. I am currently debating wether my new laptop can take it mostly because I’m new to pc gaming still.

@@Gamerguy-ud1zo @Megatron_95 both of you brothers need to hear about the steamdeck.

It's probably because we are forced to default to her "ignored her quests" ending. The story for minthara, karlach and halsin were cut and will likely be a part of the definitive/goty version that'll come in roughly 1 year. Larian tends to release super good but unfinished games then give a free upgrade to the finished version 1 year later.

@@phugindomasat least it’s free.

@@mr.k418yeah but then we got these speds saying. Omg all deva should learn how to have a game 100% blah blah lol

Maybe in a Baldurs Gate 3 definitive edition

That should be a power to fix any person's problem and sever all conditions made with any demons or daemons.

​@@bossshun9Wish spell can also have serious consequences, so it didn't resolve all your problems.

@@user-jv2fm7ks1t only if it's worded ambiguously. Otherwise, it's just a debuff and potentially losing wish forever.

Seeing as how many of the good endings are so bittersweet: Astarion being cursed to hide in the shadows, Shadowheart either living with the brand or killing her parents, Wyll being a hero but still forced to be a half devil, Lae'zel either abandoning her people or leading a war against a god queen, and finally Karlach being forced to live in Avernus just so she could live. A single wish given in the game to free them of their troubles at the very end of their quests would be so nice and probably even the cherry on top if they were your romance option.

dont think youll need to wait for DLC. They will probably change it in the first or second patch update

@@M.L.official Larian dev said they wanted it to be like this, wouldnt hold your breathe

@@ketubann9405 Karlach legitimately just needs an epilogue slide of her and Wyll, (and maybe you if you romanced either) beating up devils and demons in the hells, while kicking back in the house of hope after a hard days work. Arguably the end of the game just genuinely needs some epilogue slides to actually congratulate us(or condemn) for all of our efforts in the game. It would be nice to see the shadowlands, the druid grove, the 7 fucking thousand "undead" in the underdark.

@@ketubann9405 where did they say is because thats stupid. The whole rest of the game up until the part where she pops like a gasoline filled waterballoon thrown in a fire pit is filled with hopebaiting saying that she can be saved right up until we stop talking about it for no reason. And every other companion but her can be saved.

@@Clonetrooper8983 because she was supposed to be able to be saved, flat out. Data miners showed she has a actual "be saved" ending, but its tied in with the upper city part of baldur's gate that got scrapped.... meaning her good outcome is also scrapped, at least for the time being.

You don't need wish. Resurrection is a level 7 spell, that regenerates missing tissue. Killing her, removing the engine and casting ressurection would revive her with a regular heart. Somewhat gruesome, but absolutely possible. And would you guess what level you need for a 7th level slot? Level 13. Yeah.

@@ologracz1110 Another thought I had, was that Gale has on him at the start of the Game, a scroll of true resurrection. Theoretically he could wait for Karlach to die and use it on her to fix her. Or use it to do what you suggested.

@@ologracz1110 it doesn’t make much sense for an archmage like gale to be trapped at level 12 though, even less sense for him to be a god at such a low level

@@Chadius_ThundercockI know this is an old comment just for the record, all of the companions are supposed to have been incredibly adept at what they do, the tadpoles reduce them all to a lower skill level. Gale mentions this in act 1 when you first meet him trapped in the portal, saying he was once a wizard of incredible power and now with the tadpole he can barely control a transport rune

So sweet

Como que murió? En mi partida no murió, se fuen con will a los infiernos.

its already in the game, just cut for time. Dataminers cracked that a few days ago. Was all connected to the now cut zone of the upper city, so we are currently stuck with only her bad endings.

Yes! Her reaction to that is priceless!

I haven’t seen it but wat i have seen is the love making scene a couple minutes before this which looks like it got skipped as well, really just makes this whole video untrustworthy

Also in her ideals and what actions gain her favor. Kindness and honesty. So much empathy from and for both characters.

SAME. Im sitting here drinking beer and thinking about my life like never XD

Yep...

No way! 😅 Nice 4th wall breaking here!

She absolutely breaks the 4th wall more than once

You think there will be a Definitive Version too? This game has been in development for 5 years

Her endings just seems unfinished, hope we get that in definitive edition too,and better if we get in an update. It's stupid how we can literally(SPOOOOILEEER AHEAD) save Gale with a nuke in his heart and we can't save Karlach with the engine, when the game literally give us the puzzle pieces but doesn't let us put them together

Not sure but 1 DLC with more endings i see It Is hilarious how every character as good or bad ending okkk but you leave the arc incompleted like Astarion or Karlach Shadowheart i think is decent because she work with his religion and Wyll didnt watch but he cant escape the pact

@@glibchubik4090 It's how Larian does things instead of drip-feeding DLC. Also, those 5 years also coincided with the pandemic lockdowns which definitely hurt their productivity and for game development a majority of the time is spent on platform compatibility, reworking, and polish. So relatively minor additions with a focused direction can be developed quickly as 2/3 of those don't apply.

ou can go with her and wyll to avernus and try and find a cure. wyll will convince her if you convince him to sell his soul to Mizoura again so he could resurrect his father. Mizzoura will ally with you in teh finall battle and I think you can bone her too f you keep her to resurect wyll dad's

@@HisameArtwork if you reject the deal but save wylls dad he can still go back to hells alongside karlach

There is now, if you haven't seen!

DLC going that path could be fun

she's still too hot when you're a tiefling

It's infernal hellfire, not mortal plane fire. She burns you no matter what your own issues might be, functioning more like a curse than a physical heat.

@@ShadowQuickpaw 😭

Personally I like that Karlach has no perfect ends. The way they were able to write that depressing realization that there's no easy solution to an unjust problem forced upon, similar to how a young person may develop a brain tumor or a athlete may get his legs permanently broken due to a drunk driver, is really well done and creates for some bittersweet endings as you try to help her make the most of it. So if they do add more endings, I do think they should continue that theme. Like, maybe you can get the Gondorions to fix her heart, but it'll only activate if Mizora performs an infernal ritual to do so. Mizora will be willing to do so, but only if you can convince one of Karlach's dearest friends(ie you, Wyll, or the blacksmith lady) to sell their soul to Zariel. You can still counteract and screw Mizora out of the deal by then later turning whoever sold their soul into a mindflayer which effectively destroys it, but either way the only way to fix Karlach's heart would be by sacrificing the soul of another. That would allow the players to give Karlach a more happy ending without invalidating the rest of her endings or the tragedy of her story.

@@trevordavis6830 maybe it's just cause i haven't gotten to that point in the story yet but my understanding was that Karlach was used, abused, and sold off as soon as it benefitted the person she believed to be a friend as a slave essentially. I don't believe that the only resolution of a pained character is more pain. Bittersweet stories need to be perfectly balanced between bitter and sweet. More bitter doesn't equal sweeter moments, eventually to much bitter makes the sweet moments forgetable in the wake of all the tragedy. Karlach was forced into servitutde, forced into a life of strife and war she never asked for, and while she does get offered some resolution to that along the way, being given the choice of damnation and death are not actual options. There comes a point where you're just torturing a character to torture them, and it's a very very fine line to walk. Especially if it makes the character's story seem incomplete.

​@@MrKingKrow Considering all the options you get in this game with how to end her story, I don't really see how you can make it any more happy or less painful without removing most if not all the emotional meaning and weight to her story. Hell, the mindflayer ending is already almost a borderline perfect ending for her given that she gets just about everything she wants with the only two downsides being that she's a mindflayer now(which she actually enjoys being) and she can no longer go into any afterlife. The issue with just giving her a perfect happy ending like having her heart be fixable with no downsides is that robs the emotional weight of what Gortash did to her and essentially invalidates all other endings for her. Gortash didn't just abuse Karlach, he robbed her of her future without a second thought and now Karlach's life is forever changed by it no matter how unfair it is. If her heart is just one simple quest away from being fixed then it makes what he did to her feel so much more minor and unimpactful. Its no longer an unspeakable act of lifealtering abuse, its just relatively minor act of villainy that's Karlach can ultimately fix and move on from as if it never happened in the first place. Her big emotional speech after killing Gortash and the resolution in able to find acceptance afterwards loses all emotional weight, arguably to the point of being pointless, due to how you should already be able to fix and forget about her damaged heart by that point. And you say her endings in the game are "accept damnation or death" but that's not at all what they are. There is beauty and happiness to be found them, especially in the Mind Flayer ending. At that point in the game, Karlach thinks she's doomed to die and has found peace in the fact, thus she chooses to selflessly sacrifice herself so that her friends need not lost their humanity. And because of that last act of pure selflessness and bravery on her part, after she's already accepted her death, she is rewarded by having her heart restored. And its a really joyous feeling to see her face light up with joy upon realizing that she can now live the life she's always wanted to. Its a really great and satisfying ending to her arc, but if you give her the ability to fix her heart without any issues then there's no reason to ever see this ending. If you have that option why would you ever not fix her heart and avoid missing all of her best emotional beats and beautiful bittersweet endings? As nice as it is to tell a story where you overcome your abuser and all the suffering they've caused you, and I think its equally as valid if not more so to tell the story that damages of abuse can't always be handwaved away and will stick with you forever but that you can still find ways to adapt and find happiness in spite of those permanent scars.

@@trevordavis6830 Except the problem is that her "perfect ending" is teased constantly throughout the game. Dammon talks about it in act two that he can't fix her heart because he lacks the material. In act 3 you are burried in the material but can't discuss it with Dammon because reasons. The robots talk about how her engine is a defective prototype, and you find the people who made the working model, but can't ask them to fix it because reasons. You have divine intervention, where you ask god to fix a problem for you, but you can't ask god to fix her heart because reasons. As early as act one you can get a scroll of true resurrection, magic than not only brings the dead back like the Scroll of Revivify but also replaces missing limbs and organs such as, for example, a missing heart, but you can't use it like that because reasons. You talk about "beauty and happiness", but its not there. If you played the third act and talked to her or saw the final cutscene with her, she is not at all coping well with the fact she is about to die, and she when she does die she dies screaming and in pain, crying in agony over both the fact she is popping like a gasoline filled water balloon thrown in a fire pit and the fact that she is not at all ready to go yet. Also her mind flayer ending is also depressing. Like, yes, she is technically alive-ish in a round about way, but the mind flayer isn't her. Part of becoming a mind flayer is your soul leaves, and whats left is the tadpole piloting your body with your memories remaining. Even talking to her in that scene she is clearly a very different character from the bubbly, fun loving tiefling who traveled with you throughout almost the entire game by that point. All of this combined is already really sad, but that combined with the fact that every other character gets a good ending but her makes it even more depressing. Not tragic, not bittersweet, just malancholic and sad, and for all the wrong reasons. They already have a story about the "overcoming your abuser" and thats Asterion. Literally his entire character arc is tied to the fact that becoming a vampire screwed with him in everyway imaginable and continues to do so. Or if they wanted to have a character who had to die and was going to regardless they should have removed the Dues Ex Machina scene for Gale and made it so his bomb went off no matter what happened, you just got to decide when. They could have had him tell you about the bomb in act one, have the bit at the begining of act two where Elminster tells him Minstra wants him to set it off, then have Minstra appear at the end of act 2 and be like "Yeah you have to go because any magic that is potentially powerful enough to remove the bomb also runs the risk of setting it off or worse, exposing this weave eating device to the weave at large, risking another spell plague." They could also move some dialogue and say that the crown the Absolute was obsessed with was only uncovered because Gale removed the wards Mystra had in place to keep it hidden when he got the bomb lodged in his place, which would in a round about way make the entire plot of the game his fault. From there, the entire of act 3 should not allow any attempts at removing the bomb. You can talk about it, maybe have one side quest where you bring it up, but Gale should always shut it down and be like "no, it has to be this way." None of the Dialogue with Karlach where she is screaming over Gorachs broken body. None of that "All I see is the Abyss that should have been our future." None of that, just scenes like in act two where Gale invites you to watch the stars with him and he talks about how at peace he is with his death. From there instead of screaming on his way out he could have a nice hum as he walks over to where ever he is gonna die, similar to the scene where Doctor Moridin died in Mass Effect 3. That would be tragic. His death would be unavoidable, but that would be ok, because it actually fits the tone of the game and doesn't constantly tease you with "but what about this glaringly obvious answer we just aren't talking about".

​@@trevordavis6830 uhhh, because it was never intended to be "her story". Everyone acting like "oh it would ruin her stories tone, it was supposed to be tragic" are being silly, shes flat cut content. Data mining showed a few days ago that her actual intended good ending was tied to the upper city part of act three... the part that isnt in the game due to being cut for time. Her bad and meh endings only happened if you failed to do the upper city parts of her quest, but sense the ENTIRE ZONE IS ATM DEAD, she can ONLY have the "you done goofed" crap results. It was never intended to be tragic, its just a result of game dev. One that the definitive edition will prob solve in a year or so.

is that what happened? really?

definitive edition will properly finish up the storyline with all the enriched infernal iron that will let us "cure" her. Or closure that you get to chill in the house of hope

It is, probably, done for science, I hope at least. Like the worst ending in ME2 aka all die and that weird scene with Joker continuing on his own, or deliberately making the worst choices to post on youtube, so, others do not have to.

She's too kind. That could be irritating. Almost like My Little Pony

😂 I was being my evil self I have issues I let people know all the time there is a lot of wrong with me 😢 sowy life hasn’t been kind to me

I did it because my Warlock had only gotten two hours of proper sleep in a week and was not feeling particularly chatty

killing her gives you good loot and exclusive quests. also the position had already been filled by that time. no need for dead weight. of she went. buh bye!! ... also Wyll wanted her dead and i like that guy. it wasn't a hard decision.

She does

LaeZels too. This game doesn't even give us some slides, let alone an epilogue :(

laezel have a much better ending where she stays with your character and a "epilogue" conversation at the end like shadowheart, overall way better ending than karlach.@@glibchubik4090

@@glibchubik4090 Zel has an epilogue no? Get me after the ending (spoilers ahead) talking that Vlaakith gonna hunt her down, and if you want to stick together with her besides that.

@@glibchubik4090 if I'm not wrong there's a sort of compatibility issue/bug between the different epilogues and some overrides others. Some dude on Reddit re-did the ending from the same save point and got different endings even when choosing the same dialogue options.

Just cause you don't like them doesn't mean they're unfinished. The tragedy is what makes the time you spend together all the more valuable. Stop being a child.

Went to Avernus with her, too.

Karlach deserved a happy ending out of anyone though. :(

First, remember it wasn’t the emperor but vlaakith who imprisoned him, the emperor just utilized his prison. Second, the emperor had been fighting the githyanki guards for awhile, he clearly had a lot of animosity towards them, he was biased and didn’t trust that Orpheus, a man who was known to have a rage as fearsome as a comet, could be rational. Ultimately the emperor is playing the calculus of war, choosing the pragmatic options that will give him the best chance of success and survival, perhaps at one time before his transformation he believed more in the ability of individuals to adapt, but by the end he viewed the world far to clinically. Who knows, maybe Orpheus only works with you because you turn your bsck on the mindflayer, perhaps he does attack you out of hatred for ghaik and the emperor’s hand in his guard’s death; you kill him in self defense and the brain wins. Had the emperor been more human he might have tried this outcome, but perhaps he was just to far gone

The Emperor is what Karlach will become, given time. becoming Illithid destroys your mortal soul, and changes the way you think. illithid Karlach is a space monster that ate her memories. it will forget eventually.