I am very sorry for the Hades comments 😭😭😭😭

I love how Zeus is characterized as this terrifying force through his own metaphor of sexually assaulting the concept of Pride

“Lets say, hypothetically, that I was on the run” ~ Ben Odysseusapiro

Odysseus went into scylla knowing he was sacrificing six men that's why he had them light six torches

The fact that you glazed over the fact that the siren said "your daughter" because you were focused on the music was kind of funny.

If you think about it, Odysseus making the choice he did in Thunder Bringer ( 1:05:50) isn’t surprising: he was given the same choice and made the same decision in The Horse and The Infant and Just A Man. In the end, Odysseus will always choose his wife and son. Even if the rest of the world must burn. What a character!!

the last song makes me remember the god’s line in the horse and the infant “the blood on your hands is something you won’t lose, all you can choose is who’s” and he has to choose between him and his crew.

Ody says “row for your life” the screams are the 6 men with torches get snatched off the ship.

23:50 Jorge posted a short/tiktok on 6/16/2024 of the this topic, asking kids not to study the odyssey using Epic cause they will fail. He explains that he uses a lot of creative liberties in his adaptation rather than being a faithful retelling

It's worse than Odysseus just leaving the 6 men behind. He had Eurylichus light 6 torches...6 torches for 6 sacrifices. This was very much meditated where Odysseus chose to let Scylla eat 6 men to ensure the rest of the crew survives

"My real wife knows I'm not scared of the water" Spoiler warning for a released song clip from the ithica saga "Keep your head down he's aiming for the torches" its a call forward😂

Scylla's mutiple head sound is Jorge pitching the va's voice different ways then plays them together as the unatural harmony

Valley girl siren Penelope gives me life lol

"HA YOUR FUCKED" 😭 I LOVE THAT

The moment he told Eurylochus to light six torches i knew what Odyseus was doing. All I could think of was that seen in the first episode of shadow and bone when they light a lantern and the Volcra start attacking the people close to the light.

A lot of reactions i've seen gloss over/miss when the Siren says, "Jump in the water with me and our DAUGHTER," they all miss when the Siren says daughter instead of son, until Odysseus reveals that fact in the next song

Scilla isn’t a siren, she was a nymph that was transformed into a monster with 6 dog heads coming from her waist that attacks and eats people from ships that pass by to avoid the other monster by her.

Someone pointed it out in another video that: *Spoilers for ppl who haven't seen the full video* Odysseus should have kept the sirens to sacrifice to scylla instead of his men.

The Penelope motif in the first song is actually close, but off by a note or two (edit: actually I think it’s specifically the last few notes. It’s usually “\/ Pen /\ -el \/ -o \/ -pe”, but here it’s “\/ Pen /\ -el \/ -o -> -pe \/ -e”)

hehe Static Hades

The reason why Odysseus was not earwaxed in the original story is because Circe warning him made him curious so he had to listen and the crew tied him to the mast. In the original also Scylla (c-la for the english and Ski-la for the Greek) just couldn't be killed and they had to row fast past her lair because she was hidden very far out of reach for them to do anything. And the sirens are originally birds with women head not weird kelpie-mermaids that are Scottish afaik. Edit:Odysseus knew the cost here and set them up and didn't tell his crew.

Okay, so I was relistening to Scylla and Mutiny on Spotify, and something that barely even registered but now looking back on it is amazing because the last time they manage their “Full Speed Ahead” motif cohesively was before Odysseus sacrificed six of his men, but after they start trying to row away from the island after killing the cow It's like the men are trying to perform the "Full Speed Ahead" motif, but unlike before when they were all together, now it's completely disorganized and frantic, especially with Odysseus yelling "FASTER" really sounding like he was just screaming at them instead of giving orders in the background. Gives me the vibe of them no longer obeying him from respect, but pure panic, hence while they're all disorganized and everything feels incredibly off rhythm. I also like the detail that Eurylocus has always been backed up by the crew, but even now in Mutiny when he led the crew to overthrow Odysseus, sure they stabbed him and knocked him out, but the second the stakes were raised, they immediately fell into line desperately trying to follow Odysseus with Eurylocus not even fighting because even after they rose their Mutiny, he was still their “Captain” not Eurylocus!

Whenever the music is in Triples, that's supposed to symbolize the concept of ruthlessness in the music.

The fact Eurylochus calls Odysseus his friend and nickname after mutiny and their fight! And Odysseus begging Zeus not making him choose and sounding like he's crying, like they still care after fighting really gets me. 😭😭

The thing abt the Eurylochus, Eurylochus, Odysseus, Odysseus chants was, in my interpretation, when they say Eurylochus, they're trying to stop him from doing something stupid, but when they see zero hesitation from Odysseus, they chant Odysseus to like stop him too, but halfway they realize he's ACTUALLY willing to kill Eurylochus to get home, hence the line “There is no price he won't pay”

Reminder that the Odyssey is basically the story of Odysseus' great many superhuman feats trying to get out of the absolute fucking disasters his crew creates at every turn of sheer stupidity. It makes sense he's the one that makes it home since he was the only one with a living brain cell

44:36 Remember that Oddyseus told Eurylochus to light 6 torches. And 6 men died.

I am still screaming about the Undertale sounding riff at the end of Thunder Bringer! I was screaming at Jorge "You jerk! You know what you're doing! You know you are making me cry with this!"

Also don't forget the Penelope motif at the beginning of suffering is electronic! She isn't magic or divine so it shouldn't be that way

Also, Scylla had basically her entire song animated in the livestream, you really really need to see it because brutal is a very light word in it

Personally i think the start of Suffering is to show the sirens using their spell/song to try and pull the crew and Ody under their effect and unalive them.

the part that hurts the most is knowing Eurylochus was the one to open the bag he tried to tell Odyessus at the start of the Circe saga ;w; and add on the fact he told Eurylochus to light six torches i p sure Odyessus was planning on having Scylla take out Eurylochus as well

Fun easy way to remember Eurylochus's name You-Really-Cussed? AKA Eurylochus.

It's too bad Jorge didn't keep the livestream up, because the way he presented the songs in there was pretty good; I found a reaction to it, so I managed to see it second-hand at least

Right at the start of Mutiny you can hear the melody/motif for Luck Runs Out and the instant i heard it i had a feeling that their luck was gonna run out

Sighla (You) Sih-la (Jorge) Skilla (Hades game) Many ways to pronounce this name lol.

Mr. Holt is Zeus. He's SOOOOO DAMN GOOD AT IT!!!

As a huge fan of leitmotifs I'm happy whenever old motives get reused and spinned around, but in Epic specifically I feel like (can't tell if purposely or not since I've never watched the behind-the-scenes shorts) that the frequence with which these instances occur and execute callbacks solidifies the almost cyclical nature of Odysseus' journey. Always moving towards his home and always forced to change course; every time he thinks he's on a straight line to Ithaca something pulls him out again. It's neat!

Interesting enough the sacrifices are portrayed differently in tone and I LOVE IT: With Scylla, the 6 sacrifices are seen as necessary because, the only other option was an island with either a constant whirlpool or turbulent waters surrounding in. Bear in mind Poseidon still has it out for Odysseus so sailing to THAT island is basically giving his entire crew to the sea god. So the math is simple: 6 men or the crew In it’s entirety. With Zeus, the sacrifice is seen as something that could have been avoided had a number of things not happened, all of which were caused by Eurylochus: 1. Eurylochus had opened the bag of winds given to them. That bag could have been used to skip Scylla and, possibly, bypass the need to sacrifice 6 men in the first place. 2. Eurylochus staged a mutiny over the one time Odysseus could see no other way out of sacrifice, despite being the first person to suggest cut and running, leaving others to die. 3. Eurylochus killed the cow of the Sun God, despite being PLEADED with by Odysseus to not do it and TOLD THIS WAS THE PLACE OF THE SUN GOD. those three pieces of information, two things are made clear: 1. If Eurylochus remains a part of the crew/ alive, he will continue to be a detriment to the journey. 2. Eurylochus cannot be allowed to be a detriment to the journey. Capped off by Eurylochus’ statement of “but we’ll die…” almost defeatedly. He knows what Odysseus is going to do. Deep down, he also knows he deserves it because, in his own words, “If you want all the power, you must carry all the blame.”

Alright so some clarification scylla is in no real way related to sirens or their abilities Also alot of the past 2 sagas are driven by or affected by circe She sent them to the underword where they really changed scylla which she directly caused because of her jealousy for a man and finally the sun god which its confirmed apollo is in this so it has to be a sun god which apollo is the father of circe And finally its abit ironic history repeats itself They killed a divine beings pet and that divine being went to their daddy to punish them Also in mutiny with them saying cows to eat its a homage to survive at the very start

Zues knew what he would choose not because he became a monster but because he offered a similarly obvious choice. He was never choosing a stranger's baby over everything he loved and he wouldn't throw everything away at the last second for a crew he had warned not to do what they ended up doing.

I love being traumatized! But in all honestly this saga was soo good. Watched the live stream with my girlfriend for support! Do you plan on reacting to the new Troy and Cyclops sagas?

I’ll be honest, they should have eaten Siren Fin Soup instead of that cow (I do not endorse the sharking industry but if you already have the fins you might as well, especially vs risking angering the gods a second/third/fourth time)

Flashy hades has to be a CF subscribers joke since he called posiden hades. And his community now calls posiden wet hades

Can you make a reaction video for Epic casts interview mainly Athena, Polites and Zeus. You can find it on Jay channel i believe. Since you really love Hermes singer i think you would love the character more when you know the voice actors.

Man is NOT greeting the world with open arms.

This saga is so gut wrenching and there was A LOT to unpack😭 (loved the video😗 just subscribed:D)

1:00:51 absolutely! You have really good understanding and you have very similar thoughts but bring up things that make me think a little different. Appreciate it!

All the characters shown so far in the Odyssey Humans Odysseus - Oh-diss-E-us - King of Ithaca, husband to Penelope, father to Telemachus, Main character in the story, protege to Athena. Captain of the crew. Eurylochus - U-rilla-cuss - Second-in-command to the crew, voice of the crew. He causes most of the conflict with the self-servient nature of the crew. Polites - Paw-leh-tees - Navigator, voice of reason, echoes the theme of being welcoming and kind to people. Died in the Cyclops Saga. Penelope - Pen-L-O-PEE - Queen of Ithaca, wife to Odysseus, mother to Telemachus, one of the driving factors of why Odysseus needs to get home. Telemachus - Tuh-leh-muh-cuss - Prince of Ithaca, son to Odysseus and Penelope. also another driving factors of why Odysseus needs to get home. Is assumably almost a grown boy in this current timeline as he was a child in the beginning. Elphenor - L-fin-nor - such an irrelevant crew member he is only mentioned once in the captions, he dies randomly at the palace of Circe because he got drunk. Perimedes - Pear-eh-me-deez(nuts) - Crewmember, drives the sword into Odysseus in Mutiny. Tiresias - Tie-ree-see-us - Prophet that is met in the Underworld Saga in the song "No Longer You." He is dead but was still human before he died so I counted him. Anticlea - an-tee-clee-uh - Mother to Odysseus, is seen in the Underworld (song) and sings her last thoughts, singing how she was waiting for Odysseus this whole time. She died due to grieving. Her actual name is never really mentioned. Gods (AS SEEN SO FAR) Athena - Uh-thee-nuh - Virgin Goddess of wisdom and strategic warfare, matron of Athens and the weave. Seen in the Troy Saga in Warrior of the Mind and My Goodbye. She is the one who built Odysseus into the warrior he is from a young age. Assumed to also still be subtly guiding in behind the scenes. Zeus - Zooss - King of the Gods, Thunder, Lightning, of the Heavens, seen in the Horse and the Infant as he tells Odysseus to kill the son of Hector (the infant). Also seen here in Thunderbringer killing all of the crew except Odysseus. Known for his fooling around with women. Poseidon - Poh-sye-den - Brother to Zeus, known as one of the Big Three between him, Zeus and Hades. He is the god of the ocean, horses, water, earthquakes. Father to Polyphemus (the Cyclops) He shows up in Ruthlessness where he slaughters most of Odysseus's crew due to him blinding Polyphemus. Drives home the idea that in order to survive Odysseus needs to become more of a monster. Hermes - Her-meez - God of thieves, travelers, roads, merchants, cunningness, commerce, speed, wit, language, oration, messages. the "Messenger God" as he is the one of the two who delivers the word of the Gods, he is also the one typically most immersed with human interaction. He is also Odysseus's great-grandfather, which is why he probably also assisted him in "Wouldn't you Like?" in Circe's Saga. I believe it was also that he is Circe's ex boyfriend? Circe - Sir-see - Enchantress foremost, but technically a goddess no less, but I believe they wrote her out as a goddess due to a line they're going to use in a later song. Circe is the daughter to Helios, who is the Sun God mentioned at the end of Mutiny. Circe is i suppose the "queen" of Aeaea, the island that they're on in the Circe Saga. She turns Odysseus's men into pigs as they threaten her nymphs that she has come to live with, which then is beaten by Odysseus with Hermes's intervention. Circe gives him the knowledge to seek out Tiresias. Helios - Heel-lee-o-ss - the Sun God, also known as a titan, as Apollo takes his place as the Sun God, or at least Helios is the embodiment of the sun. Circe is his daughter. He has a home with cattle dedicated to him. Where-then after Eurylochus and his men kill the cattle out of hunger, Helios asks papa Zeus to kill them all. Aeolus - A-ol-uss - God(dess) of the Winds. Appears in the Storm Saga. Odysseus asks them to help the crew along their way, in which they agree to help as long as Odysseus doesn't open the bag of wind given to them. Odysseus agrees, which then creates distrust to the crewmembers as they believe Odysseus was lying and there was treasure within the bags. Then Eurylochus opens the bag, which creates the winds that push them into Poseidon's clutches. Others Polyphemus - Paw-lee-fee-muss - also known as the Cyclops, has the whole Cyclops Saga. The son of Poseidon. He is blinded as Odysseus's attempt to protect him and his crew without killing another soul. Where, in hubris, Odysseus tells the Cyclops his name, which angers Athena. Which then has her leave Odysseus as he lacks what she taught him in wisdom. Which also then has Poseidon hunt Odysseus. Lotus Eaters - Low-tuss - Originally just a island-nation of people addicted to eating a certain fruit which is called a Lotus (but the actual origin is unknown as the Lotus we know today isn't something you exactly eat) the Lotus in question however makes those who eat it be dominated by the fruit. In EPIC, I am not sure what they were actually supposed to be originally, but animatics I believe popularized the idea that the Lotus Eaters were these little furry creatures who were really cute and chill. The Lotus Eaters give the crew guidance on where to find food after Polites gets Odysseus to open up his boundaries about these little guys as they posed no harm. They are also given kegs of the Lotus "wine." The Lotus wine is used to make the Cyclops fall asleep. Sirens - Sye-renz - A monster that has kind of created a derogatory perception of women, but that's neither here or there. Sirens were known for luring sailors to their deaths with their song that charmed them. While Homer never explicitly describing what they really were. They were originally thought to be bird-like in form. While later on in later Greek culture/romanization, they were seen as half-woman half-serpent which is how they appear here. Odysseus's crew sees an empty boat and spot the mermaid-like creatures luring sailors to their deaths. Which then they get beeswax to cover the sound in their ears. Which then they attract the Sirens to them and Odysseus distracts the sirens long enough for their men to get the upper-hand and slaughter them all. In the original myth, Odysseus ties himself to the front of the boat and doesn't have beeswax in his ears so he doesn't get lured to his death. Scylla - Sill-luh - Scylla is a bit iffy when it comes to her origins as it all is discussed later after the myth, as Scylla mainly represents a crag which is treacherous to sailors. Scylla a monster with 6 dog heads connected to her "loins..." and 12 feet She is similar to the sirens in this retelling as she has a melodic voice that connects to the motif that Odysseus is becoming a monster and she relates to Odysseus. It could be inferred that Odysseus meant to sacrifice his men to the monster as he tells them to light six torches, which they do, and six men die due to the fact he says "Scylla requires a sacrifice," back in "Suffering". (the number six appears in the original myth as well, but Circe is the one telling Odysseus to go through this strait of Scylla, she says "better off losing six men then the whole fleet!") which could also go with that he meant to kill these six men as it was the same time that Eurylochus was telling him he was the one who betrayed him by opening the bag of wind Aeolus gave him. With the lines Scylla sings as well it seems like she is a profiteer of chaos causing this distrust between the crew and Odysseus. Scylla is also seen as a "naiad" which is a water nymph, who was cursed by Amphitrite, as Scylla and Poseidon bedded eachother, similar to the medusa myth. This was a later perception made by a Byzantine scholar. A similar tale made by romans (Hyginus) was also created but with different figures. Scylla was also a monster that Homer did not explicitly go into detail with.

"im just a man" sir do you have im just a man plot armor

We are waiting for the next saga because we know it will be LEGENDARY

in the animatic from the stream its implied that ody telling eury to light up 6 toches is to make scylla target those 6 men so that the others could pass through scylla's strait

The betrayal the prophet spoke of was more about Eurylochus opening the wind bag which led them into this situation. Had he never opened the bag they would have made it home by now.

I like almost everything about the new recordings of the Troy and Cyclops Sagas. Either way, I have replaced those songs on all of my playlists to support Jorge! Jorge Jalapeno and his company get no compensation for any views/downloads of the OG tracks due to corporate agency shenanigans. I look forward to seeing your reactions to the comparison of the old vs new recordings! Loved this video btw. Great reactions as usual

"holy cow!" yeah it was

I love the ending of Thunder Bringer because that piano showing only Ody is left alive floating in the waters after the "storm". But also the way the piano plays in the end is so Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts oriented.

Man, the Voice acting in Thunder Bringer is.... OOF! Oddyseus: I Have to see Her... Eurylichus: ...But we will die... Oddyseus: I know.... MY HEART!! You can feel Jorge's passion for this proyect only by the acting, is SO GOOD!!

Thx for reaction sad i was late

Fun fact: Odysseus was lip reading the Siren because he filled his ears with beeswax, so the whole conversation/song of suffering is just Ody improv

Spoiler: The last thundercrack is the lightning bolt Zeus threw at the ship to kill the crew

Okay so a piano can be heard in suffering (I didn’t really notice if it was present in the other songs) but thunder bringer ended with what i heard is (spoiler ig? Telemachus’ lullaby) so I think Athena has been watching Odysseus the whole time and she finally witnessed him becoming the monster so she’ll help him in the next saga (wisdom saga) . All this is generally a guess and from the snippets of unreleased songs that i have heard and yea! I haven’t read the Odyssey.

The only way past scylla is by sacrificing 6 people, one for each head. That's what the 6 torches were for. Easier targets.

All I have to say is that I enjoy your reaction/analysis a lot so thank you

My absolute favorite part is the mutinous crew going "captain?" Captain who, fucker? I told you not to do this like 15 times AFTER you stabbed me. Now you want me to sacrifice myself for your dumb mistake?

Love the video! Lqnsksnd I recomend you to watch the live stream for the thunder saga! It has some animatics that are reaaally cool.

Fun fact: Zeus is the only god so far who hasn't had his name mentioned in the songs he's a part of. Athena, Hermes, Poseidon, Circe, and Aeolus all have either had their names called out by a character or in the chorus, but not Zeus. All he has is the thunder. Also the piano motif at the end is either the same or similar to the one at the end of "My Goodbye" where Athena is saying "one day you might hear what I'm saying, one day you might understand"

Zeus' voice got me willing to risk Hera's wrath

They remastered the previous sagas that why there was a longer livestream

A headcanon that I've seen and fully accepted into my own from this saga is that Telemachus is transmasc and outside of just being a "monster", the fact that the siren dared to misgender his son, is why Odysseus' lines/actions in Different Beast is so violent and cruel in the method of how he kills the sirens

I find it interesting Odysseus had the sirens captured, but it’s a bit disappointing he chose to let them drown as opposed to using them as bait for Scylla. I understand that, narratively, he had to sacrifice his men, but the logical part of me is still disappointed Odysseus failed to think of that alternative. Perhaps it’s a subtle refutation of “ruthlessness is mercy on ourselves”?

If you want to see the Thunder Saga songs with the commissioned animatics, you can look up 4W Element Ender's video, they clipped the Thunder Saga bit from the official stream. Some things make more sense when you see what Jorge had in mind for them, especially for Mutiny and Thunder Bringer. Assuming you want to see that stuff before you check out the whole lifestream. Also be prepared for Trauma Redeux when it comes to the remastered Survive in the Cyclops Saga. I won't spoil how but I will say the improved audio is just...oof. Also Electric Hades :D.

Nice

The start of Suffering (that ee-ee-aa-aa sound) reminded me a lot of Cult of the Lamb's OST

Goodbye Odysseus‘a crew!

i dont think u caught the fact that its not just 6 men that died, Ody SACRIFICED them, INTENTIONALLY got them killed by lighting up 6 torches, thats why Eurylochus was so mad

I really want you to hear the re-released Troy and Cyclops Sagas, because damn i fanboyed over the new instrumentals and new vocals

Looks like a new ship just dropped Bard x (Epic the Musical) Zeus (I’m jk, dw)

Actually listening to this saga for the first time (i only listened to thunder bringer when it dropped lol) and ITS SOOOO GOOOOOD. Odysseus desperately calling out for Athena vis “Master! master!” Is CHILLING (edit; realized it’s probably FASTER FASTER but point still stands). Anywayyyyy I love listening to your musical analysis, its pretty cool since i don’t know music theory and few people pay attention to instrumentation like you did

I was shook to my core, I was so thankful I got to listen to the livestream, (and can’t tell you who I love which song of this newest Saga I like best…) but After listening to Scylla’s song; someone told me if you listen you can hear the 6 men’s scream during the scylla’s song. I saw Mutiny was an animatics and OH BOY… It’s time to see. You-really-cus* idk. I miss Polities… I cannot wait for the animatics! Wondering half way though which of the songs are your favorite???

Not so fun fact, In Scylla, you can hear the screams of the six men getting taken and killed

Eurylochus signed his death certificate after he opened the bag and then told odysseus. Apparently ithica was IN SIGHT when he opened the bag and sent them to the land of the giants. Add insult to injury you caused us such a huge set back AND mutiny against me? Yeah yall are cooked zeus do your thing

Is honestly horryfying and poetic that the Odysseus that was in a way pushed by the crew to turn into a ruthless monster so they could get home would ultimately be turned on them, right after the mutiny, and having ignored his advice, getting to him throwing them away in a moment.

U-REEE-LO-KUSH Euridipus is the name of the theater.

Ben Well Animation has an animatic out for the first song btw. As of 4 hours ago /lh

No worries, I also call him Thunder Daddy. XD

To me the distortionof the electric guitar in thunder bringer sounds similar to a telsa coil.

Please please listen to the cut part of the underworld song about the guy who fall off of cersies palace elpenor i think his name was and it is hilarious

Eurylochus, Odysseus's second in comand is pronounced like “you really cuss” you accidentally put a D in there that doesn't belong 😂

I don't know about yall, but the ending piano theme of thunder bringer reminds me of "His Theme", which is Asriel's theme from undertale. But anyway, really good video, I now have a new favorita bard :3

Eurylochus open bag is his mistake but he not inten to hurt any one but Odysseus intentionally to sacrificing 6 men to Scylla of course the crew choose to joine Eurylochus munity

Lightning hades kills men eating meat

die as a hero saving for his crew? or live as a monster and let the crew die for him?

How'd you say Eurylochus' name wrong so often in the saga that says his name the most 😂

Eurilicus (you-really-cuss)

Should have watched the live stream it had some anamatics

how to remember the name "Eurylochus": (You really cuss)

If I'm perfectly honest this is probably my least favorite saga so far, but it does show the change in Odysseus. He really meant it when he said he'd become a monster, but I fear that might put him is risk of becoming too unlikeable to cheer for by the end. I'm also not as big a fan of just how many melodies were reused here and a lot of them just kind of felt off for the mood that was set.

Bro is onto nothing.💀just spitting nonsense through the entire video.