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Barking and lunging at scooters - how Diesel's behaviour was changed (CASI)

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Zurison

Zurison

Күн бұрын

A video account of how Diesel's reactive behaviour to scooters was changed using systematic desensitization and counter-conditioning.
PLEASE NOTE: The video also shows how quickly it was possible to revert to reinforcing an alternative behaviour i.e using consequence driven methods. Respondent and Operant conditioning seldom occur in isolation.
Because people are interested in how long this took, here's a summary:
Each session was guided by the dog. No more than 30 minutes. Some were about 15 or 20 minutes. If we went longer than thirty, it was broken up. If the dog appeared stressed, we stopped (but we were very careful not to put the dog in a situation where this occurred.) Here's a comment I posted earlier about how long it took:
"It's hard to work out a total amount of time but I guess an average could be worked out. It took 9 sessions (8 really, since the last was testing to make sure it all came together) Actual sessions were dictated by Diesel-anything from 15 minutes to 30 of actual scooter time. So you could say it took minimum of 2:15 hours to a maximum 4:30 hours. We took our time, let Diesel have a sniff in the park whilst setting up.It was actually a lot of fun."

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@AlexSpieslechner
@AlexSpieslechner 2 жыл бұрын
years in training and nobody ever guided us through the cc process like this video does. thank you
@Zurison
@Zurison 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found it helpful.
@fearfuldogs
@fearfuldogs 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you once again for another fantastic resource for those of us trying to help people understand how to help their dogs.
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you found it useful.
@thesummerland6165
@thesummerland6165 3 жыл бұрын
I wish all humans understood dogs and animals well, the majority of behavior issues are humans not understanding animals or causing behavioral issues by not teaching them properly or being a good parent, dogs WANT you to show them what you want.THANK YOU for explaining how shock or prong collars only reinforce negative associations, I had a rescue woman argue with me that prong collars work on stubborn dogs, she didn't understand my training to counterconditiong with a food lure, she told me it was 're-enforcing wrong behavior' when in fact, it was redirecting BEFORE reaching threshold, and this was a rescue, so disappointing that rescues don't even bother to educate themselves on the best modalities and the animals suffer or other cats, etc are in harm's way bc humans aren't cognizant enough to teach and be aware of individual dogs and why they act as they do
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the encouraging words Donna. Yes, it is a time consuming process to get the footage and even longer putting it all together during the editing process. Well worth it though. Video footage is a great way to learn, so I picked up a lot from this process myself that will help for future procedures.
@Luculencia
@Luculencia 6 жыл бұрын
I used a similar method to desensitize my dog to prams, bicycles and scooters (but I started with the object stationary, and progressed to the object moving slowly, then fast). I didn't own any of these objects so I took the opportunity whenever we passed one on the street to do a quick training session (I'm sure passers by thought I was nuts feeding my dog treats and praising her while standing next to someone's locked up bike xD ). It worked though! She ignores all these things now. I just have to work on skateboards next (but it's hard finding an unattended skateboard to start with!) and since they make a loud noise when they move it might be harder for her to get used to them.
@balupot
@balupot 8 жыл бұрын
Trying to learn more about counter conditioning and this video is very helpful! Thank you for making it! :)
@Zurison
@Zurison 8 жыл бұрын
+balupot I'm so glad it helped.
@AaronDaar
@AaronDaar 10 жыл бұрын
Oh, this is such a nicely produced video-well done! I have been looking for a video that clearly demonstrates the effectiveness of desensitization and counter-conditioning. While the techniques are more-or-less adequately demonstrated, I just have one problem with how the Before and After segments were done. Most pet owners would like to walk with their dogs outside without fear of their pet lunging at the leash and going crazy. They would also like to be able to relax while walking the neighborhood. For me, relaxing is having the dog on a loose 4-6 foot leash while I enjoy the sights and sounds of the neighborhood or park. I may be talking to a neighbor, talking a friend or maybe even chatting on my phone. It is not having my dog standing tightly against me while I distract them with a handful of treats. Now to have a convincing demonstration of the technique’s effectiveness, I would expect to have the setups of the Before and After to be the same. Same location, time-of-day, # of distractions, gear, etc... Let's look at the Before test: "Before" segment: 00:13. Direct link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsp2fpijrMjOemQ.html. Handler has dog on 6 foot leash, standing standing still on the side of the pathway. There are no other people around. We see the person coming from far away. THERE ARE NO TREATS PRESENT! Dog is barking and lunging while handler just holds on to the end of it. Now, let’s look at the After tests: "After” segment #1: 00:33. Direct link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsp2fpijrMjOemQ.html. Handler is walking the dog on a short leash with presumably a treat bag or handful of treats tucked into their abdomen. Dog is targeting on the treats and receives them during the walk. "After" segment #2: 00:45 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsp2fpijrMjOemQ.html Handler is standing still with their dog. The dog is sitting very close almost in between the handler's legs. The leash is kept very short (you can see that most of it is coiled up) and the handler is keeping 100 pct eye focus on their dog. Treats are forthcoming. The setup (antecedents) in the before and after segments are so different, that it is not surprising that the behavior is different. I would like to see the "After" segment redone with the same setup as the "Before". Put the dog on a long loose leash, do not focus on the dog, have no treats and then let a scooter come in from long distance without the handler trying to get their dog to focus on themselves. Unfortunately, this video supports a wide-spread theory that many pet owners have-that the basic CC/DS protocol is insufficient in itself to bring the dog to the place where most pet owners want them to be. This results in pet owners seeking other solutions that will definitely curb the bad behavior like pinch and shock collars, albeit with a very good chance of having very bad side effects. Would it be possible to re-film the ‘After’ segment to match the same setup as the ‘Before’ segment? That would be so helpful!
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Hi Aaron, An in depth review! I am not keen to re-edit because it is time/energy intense and I doubt it will dissuade those who would choose prong and choke collars in the long run. This is not a how-to video. It's documenting how Diesel was guided through a personally tailored behaviour modification programme. I would expect guardians to seek professional help with this sort of behaviour change. My opinion is that limited understanding and poor application results in disillusionment with techniques. It is not necessarily the fault of the technique. It would take more than a 15 minute video to learn how to tailor a behaviour change programme for an individual dog. This is not the end product - it's the beginning of the guardian being able to take over and continue in the real world. I encourage my clients to remain connected with their dogs on walks: which means not talking on phones, listening to ipods or ignoring their dog when things they fear are approaching or may be liable to suddenly appear. This is part of continued antecedent control and developing a greater bond with your dog.
@AaronDaar
@AaronDaar 10 жыл бұрын
Zurison I totally understand the expense in editing video. I understand that this is not a complete how-to, but could be used to market/advertise the capabilities of a technique. Pet owners would like to have confidence in the effectiveness of a training method and this video is the closest I have seen to being there. Regarding your comment about "...the guardian being able to take over and continue in the real world...", are you suggesting that the CC/DS treatment was incomplete at the time of the "After" filming? That they need more work before a relaxing walk outdoors will be possible? Or are you saying that there is no true end-point...That the guardian will never be able to relax while walking with their dog? (On the positive side, the vigilant owner will be able to proactively avoid the lunging, barking reactivity.)
@TheFoxAndTheWeasel2
@TheFoxAndTheWeasel2 10 жыл бұрын
Aaron Daar Hi Aaron I am the owner of the dog in the video. The simple answer to why we can't edit in Diesel's current walks is that I moved thousands of km away from Dog Charming! But he is no problem to walk now even without treats and without me paying much attention to him. We don't encounter many scooters these days but we see bikes, which we did the counter-conditioning for before we made this video (with the same 'before' reaction). We have had lycra warriors jet past Diesel at high speed with me not even knowing they were there until they had passed, Diesel just looked at me and went back to his walk, no stress at all. He ignores bikes when he is off-lead as well. In his current home we had to go through the same process with the horses on the property, he would initially bark and lunge at them but now he sees them every day without being interested. This video was made just after we'd finished our 'formal' D&CC sessions and I was probably a bit over-cautious about keeping Diesel's attention because his reactions were so fresh in my mind then. But over a year later he has constantly impressed me with the strength and permanence of his behaviour (and attitude) change towards Things That Move Fast.
@AaronDaar
@AaronDaar 10 жыл бұрын
TheFoxAndTheWeasel2 That's great to hear! Thanks for following up and congratulations on having a great result with the training.
@WaggersDogWorks
@WaggersDogWorks 11 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful video! Things were explained clearly, and I like how you marked the passage of time, something that is very important when helping dog guardians set their expectations. Maybe adding the total amount of time at the end of the video would help (that's just me brainstorming). What a great job. I absolutely loved it!
@andrewiyer
@andrewiyer Жыл бұрын
this is a million times better than overly-excited american trainers yapping in an unstructured manner in-between losing their mind about the latest dog box or something. really good work!
@aerbear24
@aerbear24 10 жыл бұрын
Great great video with a lot of detail and to the point. I got teary at the end!!
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Hope they were good tears ;-)
@OzzicatAu
@OzzicatAu 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, impressive. I wish every dog owner could talk to a behaviourist. I had a dog years ago, along with cats, and had to learn a bit of dog behaviour. Still, nothing helps more than a behaviourist's advice. Well done. Thanks for helping the dog and his human :) xx Natalie
@Zurison
@Zurison 8 жыл бұрын
+Ozzi Cat - Australian National Cat Magazine Thank you for taking the time to leave such a positive comment.
@NoemiCugudda
@NoemiCugudda 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! My dog is also reactive to scooters (and bikes, skateboards, skates, strangers, you name it) and this will definitely be of help :)
@lmatthews44
@lmatthews44 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for posting this. What a great example to share of how behavior change takes place.
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the positive feedback. Always appreciated.
@pennyh4758
@pennyh4758 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The best and most comprehensive on this subject that I've seen.
@Zurison
@Zurison 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm glad you found it useful.
@paulaherring2786
@paulaherring2786 4 жыл бұрын
I tried something similar without instruction but was not able to get quick results. After watching this vid I will add the slow progression component. I think that will fix it for sure. Thanks from the both of us!
@pawsitivelyterriers
@pawsitivelyterriers 8 жыл бұрын
Great video - will be letting people on our Terrier Forum know about it. I hadn't come across your channel previously but will certainly be looking at more of your videos in future. Thank you
@Zurison
@Zurison 8 жыл бұрын
+Pawsitively Terriers Thanks so much for the feedback. I'm glad you found it useful and appreciate you spreading the word on how to help dogs with similar issues. :-)
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pat. I'm glad you liked the 'real time' presentation.
@dogsexplained
@dogsexplained 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown of the criteria needed! Thank you for taking the time to put this video together. I KNOW how long it took as video editing is time consuming!
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found it useful. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
@miket5114
@miket5114 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I hope you don't mind but i send this to a lot of my clients who have reactive dogs - best video to demonstrate what to do and how it works.
@Zurison
@Zurison 8 жыл бұрын
Of course! That's what it's for. I'm glad you find it useful.
@blkbeauti05
@blkbeauti05 Жыл бұрын
I got my dog at 8 weeks. He never had a problem until he was neutered at 16 months. Now he’s going crazy when he hears motorcycles.
@natkeegan
@natkeegan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Awesome demonstration of systematic desensitization and counter-conditioning.
@Zurison
@Zurison 7 жыл бұрын
Natalie Keegan Thanks for your comment.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm glad you have found it useful. It was a lot of work to put together and edit, but well worth it.
@sonyabevan7857
@sonyabevan7857 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment Ann. I'm glad you found it useful.
@nolanerunner1
@nolanerunner1 5 жыл бұрын
Thnx for the vid Very good stuff ! I have a collie rough pup 16 weeks He is skittish around new things He’s not timid at home Just when he’s in a new picture so to speak He is starting to generalise his learn8ng though to new surroundings We had a skateboard encounter in a shopping centre car park a couple of days ago He freaked but I followed the skateboarder to the practice area and merely walked my pup around at a safe to him distance I had no treats with me ( when he’s scared he’s not interested) but I found a stick Nd engaged him in a fetching game ( on leash of course ) He was half hearted but it still distracted him a little bit from the noise I’d say he was about 70 - 80% calmer after about fifteen minutes of being around the noisy skateboarding ramp Finally I sat him down within a few metres of the guy who continued to practise tricks He was a lot calmer by then We left the immediate area but sat together on a nearby bench where we could still hear but not see the scooter The pup was calm I guess this is a form of flooding which may not be the right thing to do with every dog but I still felt I had to grab the opportunity to socialise and expose him in this critical window that is fast closing It is very hard and most people are time poor and can’t get to resources like skateboards and scooters easily but I know it cN be done My pup was fearful of just walking out of the front door three weeks ago but I had to socialise socialise socialise so we’d g9 to Bunnings the big hardware store car park and practise walking round cArs Obviously not fully vaccinated so I avoided grassed areas So glad I did that cos he’s a lot bigger now and technically I’d still be waiting til he was 18 weeks to take him out on walks outside which is nuts He goes to puppy training each week but that’s not enough with a skittish pup It’s gonna be a tough road with this pup but I’m determined to keep exposing him to the world he’s so wary of
@lizstorey3777
@lizstorey3777 9 жыл бұрын
I have a one year old rescue dog that is abnormally reactive to motion and certain noises. Because of his background (feral parents) he also has an instinctive prey drive that overrides everything else and I am having many difficulties training him using PR and FF methods - which I prefer - because I am forced to control him physically and he has literally pulled me into the middle of the road and caused me to fall over on several occasions. I think all the videos will be extremely useful - thank you
@Zurison
@Zurison 9 жыл бұрын
Liz Storey I hope so Liz. Hang in there because if you set up a training plan carefully it is extremely powerful and effective using PR. If your dog is performing the unwanted behaviour too many times, he's letting you know he's not ready for a particular scenario and to take a few steps back with something easier. Then reintroduce it later when he has a stronger training history of that task. Good luck!
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Yep, he sure is. It's amazing what can be achieved with well planned behavioural change procedures that respect the welfare of the dog. Thanks for your comment.
@AnnaBanana-cv6hj
@AnnaBanana-cv6hj 11 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the video! It gives us some kind of picture of timeline and progression. It is a great video. Thank you!
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lovely comments and suggestion. It's hard to work out a total amount of time but I guess an average could be worked out. It took 9 sessions (8 really, since the last was testing to make sure it all came together) Actual sessions were dictated by Diesel-anything from 15 minutes to 30 of actual scooter time. So you could say it took minimum of 2:15 hours to a maximum 4:30 hours. We took our time, let Diesel have a sniff in the park whilst setting up.It was actually a lot of fun.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for sharing too.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your lovely comment.
@lisaschlieckau
@lisaschlieckau 3 ай бұрын
My dog lunges and barks at other dogs only on leash. The distance is about a block, he will become very interested with ears forward tail slightly up. Half of a block with statt the hackles and barking. Quarter he is lunging and barking. When off leash in a dog park or at my families with other dogs he is submissive and listens to others but is also like a bullet rinning up to them, he then play bows after greeting.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your lovely comment.
@lindsayball3458
@lindsayball3458 11 жыл бұрын
fantastic video! so great to see the practical application of theory and methods and was can be achieved in relatively few sessions. thanks for this video - fab!!!
@janegilbert9851
@janegilbert9851 5 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. I’m so inspired by you, I have the same problem with my dog.
@lindaha3614
@lindaha3614 2 жыл бұрын
This is my dog exactly. Thank you for such an I informative video.
@lindsaymann5383
@lindsaymann5383 3 жыл бұрын
Love this, thank you. I've found it again after a few years I think! :)
@Zurison
@Zurison 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting me know 🙏
@maggiej.8425
@maggiej.8425 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I already had an idea of how to teach this but this was super helpful. I hope this works I have a little sheltie that is terrified of bikes and motorcycles. When I take her on walks people on bikes take her for a vicious dog that and I quote from someone today, "might take their faces off". This is the opposite my sheltie is really super sweet, random children can poke her eyes and pull her hair and she just sits there (I obviously dont have children do that or get her out of that situation right away bc it's just not nice but it has happened).
@Zurison
@Zurison 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know that this was helpful. Good luck with all your training.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm pleased you like it.
@trumplostlol3007
@trumplostlol3007 3 жыл бұрын
My Aussie girl is constantly looking around even inside my property. Treats will work for a second. The next she will look around again. The only time she can focus on me is when I play her favorite frisbee catching game with her. She will focus 100% and ignore even the noisiest Harley Davidson passing by on the highway right next to my house. She is a typical timid, territorial, fear aggressive working dog. LOL
@blinddogtraining
@blinddogtraining 10 жыл бұрын
Really great example! Thank you for sharing!
@JohnJJay
@JohnJJay 7 жыл бұрын
Great job, thank you so much for the video. I'm in the process of learning any good tool and approach that minimizes disconfort for the dog, while I'm not entirely against a 'no' nor a light-to-very-light -R if and when need be. This video of yours (as well the 'attack dog to relax dog' I just watched) showed me something very good, coupled with the nice follow-up by the owner below in the comments. I still wish we could see actual videos about the 'after' for us unexperienced to actually see the resulted new behaviour in daily life. If you or any user could provide some good links, I'd appreciate that a lot. Thank you, subscribed!
@BlackShepherdAzzy
@BlackShepherdAzzy 9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic! It definitely taught me something.
@Zurison
@Zurison 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks for letting me know that you found this helpful. :-)
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@marsbarzy
@marsbarzy 11 жыл бұрын
Wonderful, very very good! I loved the steps you took and it was wonderful to see this in 'real time' :-)
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm glad you think it was a relatively small amount of sessions as well as me. I like to compare a few hours of this type of behaviour modification versus a lifetime of tight leashes or choker collars - which isn't really changing the behaviour at all. AND it 'aint no fun either :-(
@citydog
@citydog 11 жыл бұрын
Really well done. Thanks so much.
@DeandGinger
@DeandGinger 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will help with how to work with my dogs. Appreciate the videos, truly!
@wolfmoongirl
@wolfmoongirl 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I have a client with a pitbull with this very problem. Very helpful video. Thanks for the detail. It will help other dogs!!
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you found the video account of Diesel's plan helpful.
@eyesofdaniel
@eyesofdaniel 3 жыл бұрын
Wish i'd found this video while I was back in Perth, would have booked our dog in for some sessions in a heartbeart! Working on him now (Primarily reactive to other dogs and foxes) and hope to see this much improvement
@Zurison
@Zurison 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found the video and I hope it helps.
@casualworkandplay3840
@casualworkandplay3840 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent information, thank you
@Zurison
@Zurison 3 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome. Thanks for letting me know you found this video helpful.
@jachthondendelfland2597
@jachthondendelfland2597 10 жыл бұрын
Very well done and helpful ! Thanks
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I appreciate the kind feedback.
@DrDaleHubbardPhD
@DrDaleHubbardPhD 7 жыл бұрын
Great training
@Zurison
@Zurison 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@NataliyaCooper
@NataliyaCooper Жыл бұрын
Good video for food motivated dog !
@CanisPDT
@CanisPDT 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! Thank you for sharing great video.
@rockapuppy
@rockapuppy 11 жыл бұрын
great video, will start training with referencing this video for my Staffy bull who goes bonkers over skate boards! I guess the same strategies can be used for her fear of street cars going by!
@guitardoggie
@guitardoggie 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thank you.
@Zurison
@Zurison 9 жыл бұрын
Shari Strader You're welcome :-)
@bordercollies777
@bordercollies777 6 ай бұрын
Hi, does this mean the dog will always need to be given treats to be comfortable around scooters, bikes etc? Thanks for a brilliant video 👌🏼
@Ihatecabinetmoths
@Ihatecabinetmoths 4 жыл бұрын
I need to do this. My dog got her face scraped by a passing bike she lunged at yesterday
@antheahirschi5524
@antheahirschi5524 4 жыл бұрын
Wow this is magic Thank you for the clip I wish you are my handler
@TheFoxAndTheWeasel2
@TheFoxAndTheWeasel2 11 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, he's like a different dog :)
@g-hmd
@g-hmd 3 жыл бұрын
wow, my dog barks at motorbikes and it is an unpleasant experience for everyone. i don't know how i can use this to combat that behaviour but i'm hoping one day i can
@Zurison
@Zurison 3 жыл бұрын
A similar process can be used for motorbikes. It would be best to have someone with a motorbike to help you in the early stages so you can set up for success. You need to work out what it is about the motorbike that triggers the barking: the sight? the sound? the movement? All of these? Then break it down into individual components rather than just present the whole motorbike at full speed, noise and racing past. Does your dog bark at pushbikes? If so, you might find that easier to start with to teach him the basic process and then move on to the harder motorbikes. We practised with pushbikes with Diesel a few times first because he barked less at them, so it was easier for Diesel's caregiver to practice the steps with the bike without Diesel barking.
@virginiamillares
@virginiamillares 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Really good job!
@Winnipegaussies
@Winnipegaussies 11 жыл бұрын
This is most positively Aussome! :)
@lassy222
@lassy222 11 жыл бұрын
Amazing video thank you
@martinaluisetti
@martinaluisetti 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video thank you so much
@Zurison
@Zurison 4 жыл бұрын
Than you for letting me know you found the video worthwhile.
@pinkydibs
@pinkydibs 10 жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Always appreciated.
@merandaperez5503
@merandaperez5503 3 жыл бұрын
Yaaay when I get a dog I wanna be able to be everywhere with her and that includes me skateboarding but I don’t want my dog to be scared of wheels my dog now is terrified of them
@skinnyboyasian4847
@skinnyboyasian4847 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh my dog literally treats scooters like an enemy. She will not stop biting forever even when forced to stop
@AndreYeu
@AndreYeu 11 жыл бұрын
Well done.
@kolaszeph6112
@kolaszeph6112 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video, it's very interesting ! Just one question how can I do using the same way but for stop my dog barking against other dog when I m walking in the street and he is tie with a leash. I can't have an other dogs every time I want to train him :s .. Here with a scooter is more easier ... If you have an idea will be great to share it ;) !! Thank again for this fantastic video, very good job ! ( sorry for my english I m French :) )
@animalobsessed1
@animalobsessed1 5 жыл бұрын
The answer is that you don't go outside for a training session, but rather you encounter a training session when you go outside. Take treats with you every time you walk your dog, and if/when you encounter another dog, you use the opportunity to train. You can't tell other people to stay outside your dog's reaction radius, but you can maintain the distance yourself by backing away/crossing the street if they get too close. This obviously isn't as ideal, and might take longer than purposely setting up specific scenarios, but it will still achieve the same end result. In the beginning, if you forget your treats at home one time, and see a dog in the distance, keep them outside your dog's radius at all costs, even if it means changing directions, so your dog won't have an opportunity to practice the unwanted behavior. (Talking from experience, this is how I did it.)
@rochellemlee
@rochellemlee 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! Do you recommend to guardians to continue treating when trigger appears and dog looks to you for the rest of their lives? Wondering if/how to taper off when dog is responding like Diesel near the end of the video. Thank you!
@Zurison
@Zurison 3 ай бұрын
I recommend reinforcing each time the dog looks back at the guardian until there are no stress signals (tense body, tail erect etc). Then you can substitute more natural reinforcers like trotting towards a tree for a sniff. It really does depend on the dog. Some don't need treats once the barking and lunging has stopped. Others may need refresher courses throughout life depending on the context.
@rochellemlee
@rochellemlee 3 ай бұрын
Wow thank you for the quick response. Much appreciated!
@nokiki11
@nokiki11 9 жыл бұрын
i want to apply your video to my dog. but my dog is scared of people. so what should i do?
@TT-bg2mn
@TT-bg2mn 4 жыл бұрын
Love the video, really helps. I have a mini Doxie and he goes nuts at basically everything. I will try this method and give an update. Can i ask if this would work even when he hears and lives / sees our pet ducks everyday, yet still barks ferociously at them every time?
@richardbridgewater1337
@richardbridgewater1337 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, one question, the time between sessions what is happening to re-enforce the lessons learnt.
@harryberry474
@harryberry474 8 ай бұрын
I'd like to have seen this to conclusion meaning NOT giving. treats...THAT would be a trained dog if you're giving treats for every encounter are you supposed to keep rewarding for the rest of the dogs life? Walks become feeding time for the dog if that's the case.
@gstar3099
@gstar3099 3 жыл бұрын
I mean I got a bit annoyed at all those scooters whizzing by... That dog is awesome!! Well done all 😁
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you :-)
@annetteclarke6372
@annetteclarke6372 Жыл бұрын
Is something like this possible with motorbikes? I don't know anyone with a motorbike, so can only try when we have one driving past on the street
@Zurison
@Zurison Жыл бұрын
Definitely. It will take a careful set up. Make sure you are at a distance from the road where you don't get the reaction to start with and your dog can eat. Only move closer if your dog doesn't react. I'd get a skilled trainer to help you with the plan.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks :-)
@MyIshiacasonbrown
@MyIshiacasonbrown 2 жыл бұрын
I got to get a big bag of treats to do this
@anette-ze1sf
@anette-ze1sf Жыл бұрын
and a big bag of patience too!
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you - I think it's pretty neat myself ;-)
@dpinsy
@dpinsy 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Can this same thing be applied if the dog is reactive (lunging and barking) to other dogs? My 3 yr old Aussie Cattle Dog is very reactive to other dogs. Same as Diesel, he sometimes won't take treats while another dog is too close. Otherwise he is very food motivated.
@Zurison
@Zurison 6 жыл бұрын
Dennis Pinsy Definitely. The same principles apply. It can be harder logistically because one is dealing with wrangling another live animal - the second dog (rather than a scooter which is easy to set up and control). But done with careful planning it can achieve a similar outcome.
@Zurison
@Zurison 11 жыл бұрын
Let me know how you go. If you find you have lots of episodes where your Staffy bull keeps going bonkers while you are trying to help him - find a good trainer versed in behavioural science and who uses positive reinforcement to give you a hand. Good luck :-)
@i.d.trainingacademy7368
@i.d.trainingacademy7368 10 жыл бұрын
Great vid, I was wondering how long each session?
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
Hi Tu Perrito Ideal , I only just saw your comment. Each session was guided by the dog. No more than 30 minutes. Some were about 15 or 20 minutes. If we went longer than thirty, it was broken up. If the dog appeared stressed, we stopped (but we were very careful not to put the dog in a situation where this occurred.) Here's a comment I posted earlier about how long it took: "It's hard to work out a total amount of time but I guess an average could be worked out. It took 9 sessions (8 really, since the last was testing to make sure it all came together) Actual sessions were dictated by Diesel-anything from 15 minutes to 30 of actual scooter time. So you could say it took minimum of 2:15 hours to a maximum 4:30 hours. We took our time, let Diesel have a sniff in the park whilst setting up.It was actually a lot of fun."
@i.d.trainingacademy7368
@i.d.trainingacademy7368 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you Zurison! :)
@SOMEWHEREiMAYBE
@SOMEWHEREiMAYBE 8 жыл бұрын
what if my diesel isn't motivated by food?
@Zurison
@Zurison 8 жыл бұрын
I hear a lot that dogs aren't motivated by food but I've actually only met a few who truly didn't like food. It was often a case of being too distracted, too worried or stressed to take food at a particular time. When we changed the environment they were able to eat. If they truly can't be motivated by food, find another reinforcer like play, a toy, physical contact that your dog values. I'll see if I can find a useful video for you on reinforcers.
@mrwhammer
@mrwhammer 3 жыл бұрын
Mine is scared
@ir0n2541
@ir0n2541 Жыл бұрын
What if the dog is not food driven ?
@Zurison
@Zurison Жыл бұрын
If a dog is not eating food, I'd get a vet check. All healthy dogs eat food to survive. If a dog doesn't eat, they don't survive. If a dog eats at home but refuses food in other environments, it could be stress. I would test various foods at home to find ones a dog eats readily and use this for training. A common training error is to take a dog into a stressful situation and expect them to eat; too many distractions going on or having the object of concern too close. Change the training so the dog is relaxed and focused on you in the beginning, before adding things the dog reacts to at a distance they just look at it but can still eat. Hope that helps.
@c_lee.
@c_lee. 6 жыл бұрын
Hi
@korvusmangata9007
@korvusmangata9007 5 жыл бұрын
What do you do with a dog that acts like this but doesn't accept food?
@Zurison
@Zurison 5 жыл бұрын
This is a really good question and it actually leads to more questions in order to answer it. 1. Does the dog accept food in other situations? 2. In what situations will the dog accept food and what types of food does the dog like? Stress can cause a dog to refuse food. Distractions can cause a dog to refuse food. If either of these are the case, then the environment needs to be changed so that there is less or no stress or less distractions. Start in an easier environment and build up difficulty slowly. Diesel didn't take food if a scooter was right in front of him a few metres, so we started at a distance where he looked at the scooter but didn't bark or lunge. He was able to eat at this distance. Then the distance was gradually reduced. Use food a dog really likes for this type of training in preference to foods a dog is not as keen on. For example dry food won't be as appealing as soft, stinky sausage. One of the most important things to remember is that if the dog is lunging and barking at something, this is not the time to train. You need to get away from the object and set up training scenarios where the dog is not barking and lunging first, You need to teach the dog what to do first before adding the object they are concerned about. Just like we learn, in small, easily attainable steps, so it is with dogs. Thanks for asking that question. It is a common one. I hope I have answered it for you.
@korvusmangata9007
@korvusmangata9007 5 жыл бұрын
@@Zurison wow! Thankyou so much for the lengthy answer! I will study it and put it to good use. My rescused German Spitz thanks you! Edit: I live in a crowded urban neighborhood where a dozen kids play outside around my front yard. So as soon as the door opens, the distraction lvl goes all the way up to 10 immediately. That leaves us training in either the back yard or the living room. I'm just glad Kenji doesn't go berserk at wind, grass, and cars anymore. There is progress.
@Zurison
@Zurison 5 жыл бұрын
@@korvusmangata9007 You got me on a slow day, hence the quick and long reply ;-) You raise another really valid point about distractions either being completely absent or right there in full force as soon as you open a door. You are doing the right thing by getting a good foundation inside and in the back yard first. I also teach dogs through a door without going outside so that the the door doesn't increase their excitement level with anticipation of dashing outside. I start when it's a quiet time in the neighbourhood and build up to busier times. When the dog shows improvement behind the door, I start to open but we don't go outside. But we can train easily at the entrance with a lead on without the behaviour of concern. Then we move on to walking out the door when there are few distractions or triggers for the unwanted behaviour. Every dog I assess has different needs, so every behaviour programme is slightly different. Diesel's scooter plan was unique to him. Other dogs may be similar but with slight changes to meet their needs. Sounds like you are doing a good job so far. Improvement is improvement and slow and steady is often the best way to go rather than fast-paced. Good luck.
@korvusmangata9007
@korvusmangata9007 5 жыл бұрын
@@Zurison when i first introduced her to walks, we'd just sit with the door wide open at 3am and I'd hand-feed her breakfast while keeping calm. Being in a bustling city, there really is no "quiet time" since i live between a hospital, jailhouse, and fire station... but 3am is as silent as is gets. I also randomly put on her leash + harness whenever she's relaxed, so she associates those items with being content and her existment level doesn't go through the roof the moment she hears the metal clasp. I'm training her so that everytime i stop, she sits and focuses on me without prompting her. She's doing well considering where she was, but we still have plenty of work to do. Thankyou!
@Zurison
@Zurison 5 жыл бұрын
@@korvusmangata9007 Wow! It sounds like you are doing a great job and giving a great foundation. Well done for being so caring and committed.... and thoughtful in your approach x
@koltybam3800
@koltybam3800 3 жыл бұрын
What dog is Diesel?
@Zurison
@Zurison 3 жыл бұрын
Kelpie.
@cailineireann1359
@cailineireann1359 3 жыл бұрын
this does not help if I don't have person with a scooter.
@anette-ze1sf
@anette-ze1sf Жыл бұрын
you could aks a neighbour for help
@JamiePenrithDogTraining
@JamiePenrithDogTraining 7 жыл бұрын
"The scooter means, good stuff is going to happen" ... Can I ask how you can make that statement with any degree of accuracy please? For example, behaviours occur in a contextual manner, meaning that the entire context depicts the availability of food; rather than the presence of the scooter in isolation. This is clearly evidenced by the fact that the dog does not behave independently within the context, notice the stimulus (scooter) and immediately look to handler for reward. The dog here, has both visual and olfactory cues to the presence of food, regardless of the scooter? ... I have another couple of questions too, if you would? . SDS is a FEAR reducing process involving muscular relaxation, subject-determined stimulus hierarchy and ESPECIALLY visualisation. The video claims to show Both SDS and CC. Can you please explain how this video isn't simply CC and extinction, as opposed to SDS? I echo the comment made below by someone else, food hasn't been faded (something Dunbar in particular has issue with!), in which case, it's presence (even in the owner's comment) denotes bribery over reinforcement. A reinforced behaviour is self-reinforcing through association. Extinction protocols are notoriously weak once the availability of reward is withdrawn, incredibly susceptible to spontaneous recovery, reinstatement and renewal effect. 1 session .... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a-BiYNuWm6zekYE.html Your thoughts would be interesting? Thank you.
@attapuptraining
@attapuptraining 6 жыл бұрын
The dog has learned that "the scooter means good stuff is going to happen," because you can observe the conditioned emotional response he has to it by the end of the video. He notices the scooter, he turns to the human in expectation of good stuff. The owner and trainer could have cleaned up the process by refraining from feeding until the dog looked at the stimulus, rather than feeding constantly as the scooter was present, but we can see that the connection was made when we observe CERs later in the video. Just like Pavlov's dogs drooling was an outward sign that their bodies and brains knew that a tone meant food was coming. Along with the outward sign comes all of the internal, chemical, involuntary responses to a stimulus. I suppose you're right that we can't absolutely isolate the scooter as the single distinguishing stimulus in the environment. It did transfer to bikes and a baby carriage as well. But the point of using counterconditioning/desensitization to modify behavior isn't to isolate a single, solitary stimulus. The point is to change an learner's internal state regarding the stimulus, thereby affecting its outward behavior. It could be the sound of the scooter's wheels, of the way people look perched on it, or the fact the Venus is in retrograde that makes the dog react to a scooter. But we can observe that the dog reacts to a scooter, and we can change that reaction by changing its emotional response to it. Extinction is a process where all reinforcers are removed for a behavior and the behavior diminishes to essentially zero. Extinction applies to voluntary behaviors performed in expectation of reinforcement. CC/D is a classical/respondent process, not an operant process. Desensitization is always occurring in conjunction with CC. We can't use visualization with animals, so we use the "happy place" of food. This has nothing to do with extinction, reinforcers, or "bribery." By the end of the video, as the narrator explains, the owner has shifted from simply making good things happen to reinforcing the behavior of looking at her. This behavior grew out of the CERs created through CC/D. drsophiayin.com/blog/entry/preventing-dog-bites-stop-dog-aggression-before-it-starts/ The dog in the video you linked to is wearing a shock collar. Suppressing behavior is not the same as modifying it. It's not best practices for a myriad of reasons, and is especially ill-advised to use on a dog with a history of aggressive behavior (towards children no less...)-- avsab.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Punishment_Position_Statement-download_-_10-6-14.pdf Further, aren't they illegal in your country?
@JamiePenrithDogTraining
@JamiePenrithDogTraining 6 жыл бұрын
Atta Pup! The condition emotional response in The original Pavlovian conditioning experiments, elicited and involuntary response in the dog i.e. salivation. What is being shown here is not an in voluntary response but rather an operant, learned response from the dog in the presence of the owner/handler as part of a compound stimulus. Were the dog to salivate on sight of scooters alone, then yes; we could infer that a condition emotional response has taken place. What the video shows instead, is a context in which The dog has learned that remaining in close proximity to the owner results in a food reward. This is not a CER. Remove the owner/handler and remove any food rewards. Observe what happens with the dog. The behaviour is still dependent upon a food reward, I think we agree on that? Luring isn't solely a case of presenting a visible target/food reward. Simply having reward upon you, of which the dog is aware through olfactory awareness or visual cues and responds in accordance with the acquisition of that food, still equates to Luring.
@JamiePenrithDogTraining
@JamiePenrithDogTraining 6 жыл бұрын
Atta Pup! Systematic Desensitisation is a procedure designed solely for the purpose of reducing FEAR. It has nothing to do with redirection of appetitive behaviours onto alternative appetitive behaviours. Aside from that, It is entirely contextual, as is Counter Conditioning, since (again, is is shown), the alternative behaviour is stimulus dependant - that being the presence of both owner and food - of course it has something do do with reinforcement and bribery - since why else is the behaviour occurring? If this dog were to be turned loose in a skate park or a children's play area, you would see just how much of a CER has truly been achieved. There is no one to 'look' at, no one to deliver food or the possibility of food; consequently, the picture held by the dog, becomes more of an unfinished jigsaw - significant pieces are missing. So what might you suppose the dog will do? Given that all organisms are looking to further their own good; what is the best option available to the dog in such a context - Exactly what it always did; react. There is no secret or great wonder in the fact that stimulus/behaviour associated punishment, suppresses that behaviour. Often instantly, and often for tremendous lengths of time without any 'collateral issues' whatsoever. Why? Because appropriate punishment absolutely DOES alter a CER from approach to avoid. Why? Because every animal on earth is predisposed to place its own wellbeing above all else. Suppression isn't an ugly word. Neither is punishment. It's natures way of equipping animals to navigate life. 'Suppression isn't modification' - incorrect. That's a statement of preference, not fact. As a child, I once touched a red hot coal - in 35 years, I have never done so since. The consequence of touching, served to modify the action of doing so - Extremely efficiently. Please read Daniel Tortora's study on the elimination of avoidance motivated aggression in dogs from 35 years ago ... The total modification of aggression throughout a 2 year period in every single one of the 36 subjects tested. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6223971/ No, it's an e-collar; not a shock collar; and no, since DEFRA found no conclusive evidence of compromised welfare linked to their appropriate use, e-collars are not banned in England.
@izziekeyes5888
@izziekeyes5888 10 жыл бұрын
If he's doing so great then how come you refuse to try once without bribing him with treats.
@Zurison
@Zurison 10 жыл бұрын
What the video shows is respondent conditioning followed by the acquisition phase of conditioning alternate behaviours to the behaviour of concern. During the maintenance phase food reinforcement is phased out in preference to more natural reinforcers. His guardian has continued to help him and he now no longer needs reinforcement with food around scooters. (You can read his guardian's comments about his progress below).
@Luculencia
@Luculencia 6 жыл бұрын
If you're suspicious that it works I assure you that it worked fine with my dog - I don't need to give her treats anymore and she doesn't even glance at bikes, scooters or prams anymore (she used to go bezerk before training). The treats aren't a bribe, they help the dog change its emotion about the object.
@alfamonk
@alfamonk Жыл бұрын
you say he wouldn't take treats, but then in the first session at 2:45 he's sitting there already taking treats... our dog hears mopeds and motorbikes and goes crazy, but is not distracted by treats.
@Zurison
@Zurison Жыл бұрын
Correct, Diesel wouldn't take treats once he had already started barking and lunging. That's why the baseline is determined to see at what distance from the scooter he starts barking. The training starts at the distance he does NOT bark and is able to eat. Then distance is gradually decreased. If a dog is barking and lunging during training the set up needs to be revised to prevent this.
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