Barrister loses patience with former Post Office executive: 'That's just word soup'
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19 күн бұрынA former Post Office executive was condemned for using “word soup” jargon by a frustrated barrister during the Horizon IT inquiry on Friday 26 April.
On her second day of giving evidence, Angela van den Bogerd was asked about the cases of several individual subpostmasters and their branches.
Her response, when questioned on the specifics of settlement negotiations with Martin Griffiths, drew a frustrated outburst from Jason Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry.
“What does that mean? That’s just word soup,” he said, repeating part of Ms van den Bogerd’s answer back to her.
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@DavidGetling 16 күн бұрын
The public are losing patience waiting for this evil woman, Vennells, and others to receive the jail sentences that they so richly deserve.
@GuyE. 14 күн бұрын
You never spoke a truer word
@lynkirby7008 13 күн бұрын
I have been watching some of these people being questioned. There appears to be a common denominator amongst them. Firstly, they were in the highest positions and very well paid including fat bonuses. However, their memories of events are very vague and sketchy and sometimes non-existent. Secondly, they are able to remember things that they think make them look good and give great detail on these. Surely it is time for a selection of these people to be in court to answer to what happened and their potential involvement in innocent people being convicted and jailed and the distress and loss of everything that they had.
@hencole 12 күн бұрын
Not one of them is going to prison.
@MerlynMusicman 12 күн бұрын
I'd rather have justice. *Reaches for whetstone"
@kevinlatham5661 12 күн бұрын
@@hencole sad but very true.
@user-bu9nb8wr6e 17 күн бұрын
Well done for calling her BS out.
@Ken_oh545 16 күн бұрын
His BS detector is indeed strong.
@pauledwards6987 17 күн бұрын
Stop her pension and jail her NOW
@bwghall1 17 күн бұрын
IF A WOMAN STEALS FROM A SHOP. SHE CAN EXPECT THE WEIGHT OF THE LAW. is THIS WOMAN immune FROM laws. WHAT HOLD DOES SHE HAVE ON OTHERS. WILL WE EVER BE TOLD. HER HOME FOR THE NEXT 15 YERAS IS JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@bigpants6121 16 күн бұрын
if only.
@CubicSpline7713 16 күн бұрын
@@bwghall1 Your caps lock has a problem.
@Galacticmaster 16 күн бұрын
yeah couldnt agree more, i want this woman and all the execs in jail as fast as possible
@fasthracing 16 күн бұрын
Maybe take her to court first?
@michaelhipperson1554 17 күн бұрын
What are the consequences of lying under oath?
@TankEnMate 17 күн бұрын
Maybe Bogerd will find out?
@user-se7es6uc8v 17 күн бұрын
Depends on your social class.
@NPA1001 17 күн бұрын
They will claim all the publicity means they can’t get a fair trial
@Rosskles 17 күн бұрын
@@user-se7es6uc8v 10000 bloody percent. Bogus' lies costs thousands of lives and he still hasn't been investigated for them.
@johnwainwright6205 17 күн бұрын
Lying under oath is committing pergery which is prosecution and jail
@KM-pq7jk 17 күн бұрын
If her lips move she is lying. How can she sleep having caused so much damage to innocent people (victims)
@timhazeltine3256 17 күн бұрын
Easily, when you appear to lack a functioning conscious
@markfox1545 17 күн бұрын
@@timhazeltine3256- *conscience. Numpty.
@bigpants6121 16 күн бұрын
she tells herself that she did a good job. But we know different.
@Steve14ps 16 күн бұрын
"How can she sleep", I would say Horlicks, but it's not funny considering the circumstances. I don't think she cares, SEP (Someone Else's Problem), in her eyes Horizon was perfect, don't anyone say otherwise. But she met her match in Mr. Bates, so it's now down to damage limitation rather than own up. Shocking. RIP to those who took their own lives or did not live to see justice
@philhart4849 16 күн бұрын
She can sleep easily, because like all sociopaths she could not care less about anybody else.
@Buxtonchappy1 17 күн бұрын
What a despicable individual she is, words fail me, send her to jail.
@heywhotsgoinon8286 17 күн бұрын
Jail.
@simonfoley4984 16 күн бұрын
This woman needs to be in jail ....period
@dismalfist 17 күн бұрын
Consequences. Probably for the first time in her life. Real real consequences are coming. And she falls back into the only delusion she has; that business-speak and lying will save her.
@user-se7es6uc8v 17 күн бұрын
I doubt it. White collar criminals don't do jail time regardless if it costs lives, especially now there's no empty cells. The company will probably get a fine which the customers will pay in increased costs, she will be put on gardening leave until she finds another position and she will get a generous pension. Even the proceeds of crime act won't apply because she didn't get extra money for her heinous acts. She'll sit through the proceedings because she has to and when it's over she'll no doubt pop a champagne cork or two. Ain't life grand?
@JelMain 17 күн бұрын
@@user-se7es6uc8v I think the SPMs have set a red line on such matters.
@dj_ray 14 күн бұрын
No gardening leave. She left that job 4 years ago! 🤷♂️
@prakashmakwana6907 17 күн бұрын
Exposed as a natural liar, immoral, selfish and greedy. Will justice prevail and will she pay for her crimes?
@johncollins8980 17 күн бұрын
NO
@garymelnyk7910 16 күн бұрын
All the anger and indignation in this country about this gross injustice………and what’s happening to put things right???
@prakashmakwana6907 16 күн бұрын
Unfortunately ALL these types of calculated public enquires have just proved to be an exercise to show us that they are listening to the people - but when have any of the guilty culprits ever payed for their crimes!
@garymelnyk7910 16 күн бұрын
@@prakashmakwana6907 I am at a loss to understand why this is so in a fair and just society, which I believe it still is.
@tentaklaus9382 16 күн бұрын
@@garymelnyk7910A fair and just society? Whatever gave you that impression?!
@Busflower1 16 күн бұрын
I am the hugest fan of Mr Jason Beer! He is utterly brilliant and I love to watch how he makes these awful people squirm!
@dj_ray 14 күн бұрын
You’re not. You are certainly behind me in the queue. 😉
@Busflower1 14 күн бұрын
@@dj_ray 🌻🌻🌻
@earlebacciochi9796 17 күн бұрын
Truth , fairness and honesty seem to be the last thing these executives think about in their quest for bonuses, promotions and corporate adoration?
@duncansteward4331 13 күн бұрын
true in near all business and large organisations LOL
@jameslynch7826 12 күн бұрын
Including the nhs
@fireskycam9889 16 күн бұрын
I wonder if these people realise over 99% of the population want to see them in prison.
@AndreA-ke2id 17 күн бұрын
Bring her before a court not an enquiry. And then jail her.
@MaryMclare-sp6vx 17 күн бұрын
Well done for calling her lies out
@MaryMclare-sp6vx 16 күн бұрын
😊💗🙏
@P1959H 17 күн бұрын
The headline is wrong. He did not lose his patience with her.
@brunopetit8710 16 күн бұрын
Can you imagine what it would have been like working with this horrendous excuse for a human being? Just do as i say and dont ask questions type. She needs jail time asap. Disgusting
@eccuk777 17 күн бұрын
word soup --that's a great word!
@ghengis430 17 күн бұрын
Her flat affect indicates something very sinister. Devoid of empathy, should be in Rampton.
@duncansteward4331 13 күн бұрын
being devoid of empathy is why she was propmoted , most organisations love that trait in a person.
@colinslant 17 күн бұрын
Tip for anyone being cross-examined: if you don't want to come across as shifty or a liar, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
@neilmckenzie1989 17 күн бұрын
Absolutely disgusting!
@user-ob4wo9po2y 17 күн бұрын
She’s horrible
@lorrainenovak8228 17 күн бұрын
Lies and more lies jail time
@BenMillen 17 күн бұрын
At no point in this video did he lose his patience, he highlighted her bs, title your videos correctly
@sandydobbie1255 17 күн бұрын
It is now time for these criminals from the Post Office management and Fujitsu to be prosecyfor all th damage they have done to so many people !!!
@kevinbultitude6472 17 күн бұрын
Shame!
@richardmanning4090 17 күн бұрын
Jail and withdrawal of all bonuses and pensions. Not a chance of that happening unfortunately.
@craigramsay9588 17 күн бұрын
Jail her
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc 17 күн бұрын
Word soup didn't know anything but when put on the spot Mr Beer cornered her even when she was trying to spin or obfuscate.
@bigearedmouse17 16 күн бұрын
PERJURY; the offence of wilfully telling an untruth or making a misrepresentation under oath.
@jeffparsons2744 17 күн бұрын
You are going so far down, down, down, down even the devil will struggle to find you….
@fireskycam9889 16 күн бұрын
Even he'll be opening the trap door for her to fall through.
@keithnaylor1981 16 күн бұрын
NO loss of patience shown here!
@fatbelly27 5 күн бұрын
I'd love to have a conversation with Jason Beer about what he really thinks about this procession of liars and incompetents.
@Gina-vu4mu 17 күн бұрын
She's very cold hearted she doesn't care less about the guy that took his own life because of what they did to him and all the others postmasters and she was smirking when she came out of the inquiry they should all be in prison for what they did to the these ppl Sorry is not good enough it little to late for that they all knew there was no cases against the postmasters but they still went a head with it anyway how can they sleep at night rotten to the core
@roswilliams2899 15 күн бұрын
She's stupid to smirk. Every evasion or lie is obvious. She is damning herself every time she refuses to tell the truth. This is why I think lawyers are laughing at her
@MRJERRYCURTIN 14 күн бұрын
Really hope that is the case
@michaelmouse4024 16 күн бұрын
It's striking that she can remember details when it suits her. Did she pay for legal advice on the "I can't remember" ploy? It must have been a great legal brain who came up with that defence strategy - same as the James Murdoch and Boris Johnson examples
@gordoncameron1978 13 күн бұрын
Everyone of them at the top that knew this was happening but still denied it. All need to go to jail. The smugness of them all is astounding
@woodenseagull1899 17 күн бұрын
Prison awaits!
@leefairhurst9058 11 күн бұрын
The public need to see justice being served on these people not a telling off from a barrister .
@davidmilne9911 17 күн бұрын
When are these Post Office Executives going to be prosecuted, they are totally culpable in every instance of this injustice.
@philhart4849 16 күн бұрын
I would guess at about 12 to 15 months after the Inquiry has stopped questioning everybody. The Inquiry team will need time to write, vet and check its report before handing it over to any team of prosecutors.
@hoolahoop6360 16 күн бұрын
Jail awaits
@stewartwallwork6505 17 күн бұрын
Incompetence personified
@grahamnichols1416 16 күн бұрын
Not incompetent but conditioned into a corporate robot. Protecting the brand at all costs. Even to the point of moral myopia. If you lie enough you start to believe that lie as fact and even defend it. The SPMs had no chance against that regime. Disgusting.
@philhart4849 16 күн бұрын
That's a peculiar way of spelling "malice".
@RONNEY123ful 16 күн бұрын
Prison prison prison the nation needs to see justice she needs to be convicted and sent to jail
@VBlueStar3 16 күн бұрын
Jail her now!! Justice for everyone
@Dungshoveleux 17 күн бұрын
Jail time needed asap.
@jeffreyheeks 17 күн бұрын
Why isn't prison a real prospect for those involved in this sickening injustice?
@CubicSpline7713 16 күн бұрын
You have to be charged, prosecuted, found guilty in court, then sentenced... I am sure you know the drill.
@MicheleLLOYD-bk2mt 16 күн бұрын
Cos u in the uk !
@sandramillett8267 17 күн бұрын
Supposed to be a woman of God I don’t think so. Lies.
@m10199 17 күн бұрын
That's the other one, but still...
@patrickmckay8444 17 күн бұрын
Only on Sundays though !
@nannieg7622 17 күн бұрын
Think that’s Paula Vennells but both liars
@jimmurray6195 12 күн бұрын
When are these people going to jail?
@TripinHeidi 13 күн бұрын
This whole situation is absolutely horrendous. These people should be ashamed of themselves. People took their own lives over this as well as being vilified by their local community. They really ought to be held accountable for their despicable actions. I can’t believe they can live with themselves 🤬
@KaushikMajumdarKopiteForever 17 күн бұрын
Angela isn’t sorry, her opening words of an apology were just not meant at all. She’s probably still proud of her action
@boahnation9932 22 сағат бұрын
We should be able to call out what we see as rubbish, evidence or not. Because these people do not care and try to run circles with words.
@nortonmolly 16 күн бұрын
An orchestrated litany of lies
@colinmelling6369 14 күн бұрын
No way should she be walking free .
@Orchardman53 21 сағат бұрын
Blame the Post Office HR Dept for employing Pinocchio style managers
@markreilly8601 14 күн бұрын
I may not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but, if the post masters were somehow losing 1000s of pounds of presumably card payment monies, then where did it go to. Did someone with access to the system somehow spirit this all away and why isn't it traceable.
@drewdam8871 17 күн бұрын
Not the first to lose their rag with this individual.
@SandraHughes-oi2sx 7 күн бұрын
Good !!! He’s a cool cuss!!! But can see she’s a lier and passing the buck! Both these women need a custodial sentence when the time comes, No mercy like they showed the post masters.
@bristolfashion4421 8 күн бұрын
...how did our country get to be like this?
@jermainelong1843 17 күн бұрын
I can't believe this is still going in slow motion. Pay up now!!!
@stevefinn618 13 күн бұрын
What a horrible piece of work that woman is jail time should be coming
@jameslynch7826 12 күн бұрын
They offered to buy silence on the condition of silence and staggered payments to ensure that the victims didn’t speak out on pain of losing the next payments. She needs to be jailed. See how her HR speak works in jail
@SRDXXF 14 күн бұрын
Slithering out of it, no accountability. What a cile individual. People died, and lives ruined because of this person and many others.
@PaulJakma 14 күн бұрын
Immediately after this, he got her to admit that it was entirely at the post offices discretion as to how to structure this payment.
@-stantheman- 14 күн бұрын
Shocking, truly shocking
@davenicholson9003 16 күн бұрын
Hoodwinked again...! Good luck on putting this bunch in prison... !! R.I.P. Justice...!!!!
@Selena-ff5er 15 күн бұрын
All she worried about was her career she didn’t give a dam about people in her way they are Cold And Heartless.
@BushLieWorldDie 10 күн бұрын
Sick of this.
@mattbod 17 күн бұрын
I would not say he lost his patience here at all he calmly stated she was waffling…
@125ZJK 16 күн бұрын
...And while all those families were suffering , her and her lot were collecting bonuses ! I dont honestly know how some people look at themselves. And wasn't one of them some sort of preacher ! Astonishing.
@dzddteo4920 17 күн бұрын
Crooks who will always escape jail as they make the rules
@gherkamum 15 күн бұрын
They knew it was all wrong but did nothing, fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison.
@petermichiels8333 16 күн бұрын
OMG I’m not a barrister or a corrupt judge but a blind man on a flying horse can see that she is a compulsive liar. I rest my case your honour 😁
@CDRS2012 16 күн бұрын
"I was only following orders. Ethics were an alien concept to me. So what, if this destroyed thousands of lives and led to the deaths of truly decent folk? That was not my concern, and I never considered it." Pusillanimous woman.
@sbeasley1785 15 күн бұрын
Absolutely corrupt to the very core - this human IS evil.
@matbritton6816 16 күн бұрын
Words are magic. They can be used to make things disappear. This woman tried to weave a spell that would hide her complicity and partially salve her conscience.
@philhart4849 16 күн бұрын
She has a conscience?
@danielgreen3715 15 күн бұрын
How on Earth this Woman got the Job in the first place beggars belief as She hasn't got a clue about the job or position in the first place! Either that or she is just being Disingenuous or Evasive as She isn't fit to run a Post Office let alone the Whole Operation!
@madcarew5168 17 күн бұрын
Peter Cushing should be questioning this witch!!!
@JelMain 17 күн бұрын
Oh, Jason is doing equally well.
@CubicSpline7713 16 күн бұрын
That would be quiet and smelly. Mr. Cushing has been dead for 30 years.
@madcarew5168 16 күн бұрын
@@CubicSpline7713 FFS!!
@neothurmic3780 14 күн бұрын
Was it his version of Sherlock, Frankenstein, Van Helsing or Doctor Who that you had in mind?
@cliffhanger5059 17 күн бұрын
Lies
@veritas5008 17 күн бұрын
Lying to her back teeth.
@tasty_fish 17 күн бұрын
Toothless government won’t prosecute her or her colleagues or anyone else complicit in this scandal. Remember, innocent people went to prison. Why is that acceptable, but sending van den Bogerd and Vennells isn’t?
@margaretfitzgerald1489 16 күн бұрын
Goverment run
@AntonHoward-mx9sb 17 күн бұрын
Gallows
@philipcollins218 16 күн бұрын
LIAR liar liar and more lies. Should be in prison
@philhart4849 16 күн бұрын
Was she wearing pants at the Inquiry? Were there flames coming from her chair?
@cazyaz523 15 күн бұрын
This is Jason Beer KC’s way of showing his irritation. As barristers we are not supposed to be openly rude or provocative to those we are cross examining but sarcasm can slip in and it did here. There’s no jury, he’s not out to impress anyone, he’s there to elicit facts and stop people trying to speak b-s to the inquiry. He called her out. Edward Henry KC and Sam Stein KC were far more outspoken as they were not the barristers acting for the Inquiry but for Core Participants such as the sub post masters. Their hands were less constrained than JBKC. Sam Stein’s questioning of her was brilliant. He took no prisoners and loved telling her the high court judge in the civil proceedings hadn’t believed a word she’d said. The way he delivered it had me tittering!
@chriscurtain1816 15 күн бұрын
How this woman still walks free is one of life's mysteries.
@coam3708 15 күн бұрын
This KC is as sharp as a razor...and like a shark waiting to pounce well done sir well done
@ataxpayer723 6 күн бұрын
Word soup! What a fantastic question!
@theubiquitusgastronaut8273 15 күн бұрын
It wasn't me it was the process. Who decided the process? Oh that was me.
@dalroth10 16 күн бұрын
Based on what has been said by all of the Post Office management so far interviewed in this enquiry it seems the business was run by a mixed team of lower level "incompetents" and higher level "individuals" interested only in greed and covering up their own failings at the cost of innocent hard working people. If this country still has the moral decency it has long been famed for, those responsible for this utterly foul cover up must be sent to prison. Not just for their own wrongdoings and the harm done to their innocent employees and their families, but to serve as a very clear warning for anyone in a very senior business position who would take the same route to cover their own backsides.
@ianwalker3309 15 күн бұрын
The British public will not rest until these people are in jail.
@chichicjw 16 күн бұрын
She should face jail time along with all the others that knew the system had flaws, hid it and yet pushed forward with convicting post masters, some taking their lives. Set an example I say to show that higher management has a duty to speak up and see action to stop this type of thing happening again.
@zenoelea8239 9 күн бұрын
She is a horrible person. Well done Mr Beer. We just need Sir Williams to put his wig on and say "take here down"
@user-uc8kr1pl6b 13 күн бұрын
In my courtroom he could use "verbal bollocks" !
@robertmunroe8199 2 күн бұрын
Mr Beer KC is a fabulous barrister.
@user-bl4xm6nq3v 15 күн бұрын
I hope she goes to Jail for her doings and lies told over the years in denying that there was nothing wrong with Horizon. Her and Vennels “MUST” not get away with this. “NEVER”
@oriel229 12 күн бұрын
No more pay, no pendion, 5 years in Holloway, alongside that **** Vellis
@kenstats739 4 күн бұрын
I don't think it is possible for Jason Beer to lose patience. He just made the appropriate comment.
@inmate1614 16 күн бұрын
Life in prison or this trial (Inquiry) was pointless.
@christine6878 16 күн бұрын
I don’t think this is a trial just an inquiry.
@inmate1614 16 күн бұрын
@@christine6878 True lol. Still, all of the higher ups involved deserve serious prison time.
@pollenatrix 11 күн бұрын
SHE definitely belongs in jail.
@brettparker521 11 күн бұрын
Why is a coffee shop worker asking questions in court?
@MrDunkiep 14 күн бұрын
Word soup. 😂 That's a new phrase added to my lexicon.
@shaneturner9437 4 күн бұрын
This woman is inhumane, and cannot accept responsibility in wat has happened to all of the Post Master's she needs to be locked up along with the rest of them
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