Funny story: my mom used to babysit for Leo Durucher and one of his three or four wives whenever they would come to Denver to see his sister. She said they would come back screaming at each other and be in some big fight, ostensibly from wherever they went out that night, and then, before he would pay my mom, they would go in the bedroom for 20 minutes, both returning laughing and obviously made up. My mom was only around 13 at the time and was understandably confused about all this because she came from a family where I'm sure sex was something that was only penciled in on certain times and never discussed. She also said that she used to hear him come home a little hammered and cussing in these hilarious ways that to her was so shocking, but so funny even she was laughing. Always spoke highly of him, as a real gentleman though. Said one night she was scared walking home, and so he walked her home to make sure she was okay. He even took her to a minor league game and showed her how to keep score. And that's really why she loved baseball her whole life even though no one else in her family did. I think it's fair to say Leo was totally rocking some major BDE with the ladies.

Timing 100% is the reason why people hate the Astros and not the Giants. If we found out tomorrow that a team that won a World Series in the late 60s or early 70s was cheating it would be an interesting footnote in baseball history. Most people who watched/ played in the series are either elderly or dead, every player and coach is long retired. But if we found out tomorrow the '20 Dodgers or '21 Braves cheated it would be an outrage. The teams are still mostly intact and almost all players and coaches are still active in MLB and so are the teams they beat (in this scenario by cheating) to win the world series. Fans would want to see punishment leveled by the league just like we wanted for the Astros coaches and players.

My dad was a huge NY Giants fan. He tells a different story as to the remarkable run by the Giants to catch the Dodgers in the standings. You mentioned that the Dodgers swept the Giants on Aug. 8,9. During one of those games, Jackie Robinson crossed home plate, and made an 'unsportsmanlike' gesture to the Giants. The Giants manager held a meeting and said something along the lines like, "Did you all see what he did? I want you all to play your hearts out for the rest of the season, we're gonna catch the Dodgers if it's the last thing we do."

Great video man. Just subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what else ya come up with! One thing that might be an interesting video could be the red seat in right field at Fenway; the spot [supposedly] marking the location of the furthest hit ball in Fenway history, hit by Ted Williams. The seat is freaking FAR out there and it’s now sort of thought that it might be a bit further back than the ball actually went. Can you gumshoe this one and find out if there’s any truth to Ted Williams longest homerun at Fenway? lol I’d be super interested, speaking for myself at least

Doctoring a baseball originally was not cheating.Spitballs was outlawed because back in the day they only had so many balls and most players chewed tobacco so the balls would get all sowed up.Burleigh Grimes was actually godfathered in to keep using it until he retired.

Great video but 3 mispronunciations: Monte Irvin. Montee. Clem Labine. La-bine like wine, cookie Lavagetto like lavajetto. I’m old enough to remember these guys so it hurt my ears. Otherwise, great video and beautifully researched

What this tells me is that the Dodgers need to get better what knowing when they're being cheated. It was nearly 70 years and they still hadn't figured it out

The worst Wednesday afternoon game in Dodger history.

The Giants went 44-15 from August 1 to the end of the season...

Not gonna lie, I kinda like how cheating and baseball have a toxic romance

What kond of technology were they using in 1951? Smoke signals?

Wow! Who would've thought the Expression: "Nice Guys Finish Last" was an abbreviation of a saying from Giants Head Coach pertaining to winning at any costs necessary - especially cheating. Wild how the original quote was something to the effect of "Nice guys finish in 7th place" (last place in the division)

Stealing signs was never illegal, as long as the plaeyrs and coaches ON THE FIELD or in the cdugout did it. It was the fifth home run Thompson hit off Branca that year. The underlying problem for the Dodgers in those days was that Charlie Dressen, their manager, had no idea how to handle pitchers. When a pitcher had a sore arm, Dressen told them to just get out there and pitch and work it out. Casey Stengel, the Yankees' manager, on the other hand, knew enough to save his best pitcher Whitey Ford for the big games. Ford was not allowed to pitch too many innings during the season, so he'd still be fresh for the World Series.

that was a very well put together video. thank you

REALLY GREAT job on the video !! Kudos

Sir, At least an acknowledgment of my original research would be appreciated. I know one of your sources is "The National Pastime." At least list a bibliography!

this is a solid ass video , I'm definitely gonna be returning

Thanks for putting salt in the wound as I was a Dodgers fan in 51.

It’s so weird watching a video on the Giants but their logo is now being used by the Mets

Great video! Well done

Most iconic play? No 1 of a billion cool baseball plays? Yes

Wow, this channel deserves hundreds of thousands of more subscribers

Look, if you can, on the fly, pick up a pitcher tipping his pitchers, without the help of any video or electronics, then it’s fair game. It’s not the others team fault that your pitcher is telegraphing their sweeping curveball.

only 715 subs? woww, good video i subscribed 1k soon

Great video. Good work really enjoyed it. Thanks needed this today. All the best.

yes, but without baseball, none of this would have happened.. love this game..

great vid

Great video by the way!!!!

This is THE reason why I can't listen to anyone claiming the Houston Astros should be stripped of their 2017 title when they only did pretty much the exact same thing the Giants did here.

Sign stealing for a player, with their eyeballs, while _ON_ the field is simply part of the game. If a coach can’t make/change-up the signs well enough and a player(s) can tell what’s coming… that’s on the signER lol once they start using cameras and smart watches, banging in trash cans or sticking a buzzer in their jersey _(ASTROS!)_ is _NOT_ part of the game. It’s cheap and pathetic. What the Sox did was bad but what Houston did should have resulted in player suspensions (see: Jose Altuve getting away with _BLATANT_ electronic buzzer cheat) I’ll never respect Altuve again bc I assume he’s just a cheat.

Fun Fact: Without cheating and googling/wiking the answer (this is from the movie Little Big League), who here happens to know who was waiting on deck when Bobby hit that famous home run?

I wouldn’t let the less than convincing batting statistics decide whether or not the ‘51 Giants cheated. The only stat that really matters is the Win/Loss column. They could never have accomplished what they did without the huge advantage of their batters knowing whether a fastball or breaking ball is coming.

Considering you say 2017 Astros as being the most hated sports team, I posit they come nowhere near the Evil Empire. Great Video though.

Some one say something about cheating?

Altuve falsely accused?

Stealing signs is not cheating its baseball .

Bro can we not get over the Astros yet? They were just the only ones that got caught. This year Mookie literally admitted the Red Sox did it & said quote "...yeah everybody was." This year the Dodgers also hired a "video coordinator" that was literally suspended with the Red Sox...

hey the Astros are good at cheating..personally it would take alot of the joy of winning away for me but then again im not a professional

So if you cheat and there is no statistical proof, it is not cheating?

Hey "cheating is woven everywhere" when money is involved

If electronic sign-stealing has been a known issue in MLB since the 19th century, and MLB has done very little to stop it, why should any fan give a damn about it in the slightest?

Thomson never took his eyes off Branca. Look at the film. How's he gonna take a sign from the ourfield 450' away when he never takes his eyes off the pitcher? Also he hit Branca like he owned him so why would he be looking for help?

Well done 👍🏽. #astrosfan here

Let me be clear on 1 thing I do not condone cheating at all.But you gotta remember something even if you know you still gotta hit it..

so you mean to tell me to the dodgers have been getting screwed out of titles due to sign stealing since the 50’s?😂😂😂😂😂😂 this makes me hate the Giants even more!!!

But sign stealing is not illegal I thought.

giants were out scored 14-1 at home going to the bottom of the 9th did they cheat then?

The best bit about comparing the 2017 Astros to the 1951 Giants is the Dodger were on the losing end both times, figure stuff out guys. lol

Astros cheated on the road, hence the trash can in Canada. Empty stadium and you could hear the trash can echo. Astros stats were significantly better than the next best team.

Wait.. the Giants AND the Dodgers were former NY teams? Given that the NFL Rams came from Ohio, I'm wondering: are ALL California teams just someone else's hand-me-downs?

I honestly don't care if a sign gets stolen. You make your next pitch public, then you really don't have a right to complain when the other team pays attention. I'm at a loss as to why catcher signs didn't get phased out in favor of electronic equipment by the end of the 90s so that the Astros controversy never happens.

Ok....Jordan's was a push off. What's your point

The scoreboard in the Polo Grounds was 500+ feet to home plate. How do you “steal” a sign, relay it to 3rd base coach and then to batter before pitch is thrown? IMO, that’s a stretch without technology. Admittedly, I’m a 3rd generation Giants fan who saw the 9th inning(school kept me from seeing the whole game) and Bobby Thomson’s HR; I was more concerned that Thomson might not have touched home plate. BTW, during that stretch run, the Giants beat Newcombe 16-0 in one game and I watched Dark and Stanky pull off a triple play in another. That’s just good baseball.

Its funny but the yankees did the exact same thing before the Astros

13:50...How does film of Willie Mays hitting a HR in Candlestick Park, San Francisco, have any relevance to the Giants' allegedly questionable 1951 pennant chase? But, no problem. I'll gladly watch video anytime of MLB's greatest living legend.

Do you know what K.I.S.S means? All those extra stats have zero meaning

Baseball rule no.1 If your not cheating your not trying.

Creative ways to skirt the rules are part of baseball. I don't get mad when I see it. I admire it as part of the game.

A few games really mattered with Astros it gave them home vs yankees and yankees won all their home games in that series

It lived on in infamy? Meaning people hate it, and think of it as shameful? Like the nazis? God people using this word wrong didn't used to annoy me so much but literally every youtube video essayist has to make this mistake once and it's driving me nuts!

Falsely accused?

The worse play ever Bucky dent🤢🤮

Did the giant s cheat? Yes. Does it matter? No. Cheating can only get you so far. You still need to hit the ball and make the right plays. In addition, its u clear of KNOWING what pitch is coming can help. Sometimes it hinders your concentration. Plus, let’s be honest, cheating in baseball is a time honored tradition. The way the giants stole signs is quite ingenious Ann’s also quite silly and I would be telling my team, if I were a coach, to use their methods of possible. So we have a great story and baseball should be proud of that.

Mike Fiers was the whistle blower on the Astros. He ratted because AJ Hinch left him off of the playoff roster in 2017. Why? Fiers almost cost the Astros some games in 2017. He wasn't exactly a Cy Young type pitcher. Hinch wanted to WIN. Fiers may have kept his mouth SHUT if not for fact that after Fiers was off the Astros after 2017 the Astros ate his lunch each time he faced his former team. He was just bitter because he wasn't wearing a 2017 World Series Championship ring.

shit millions of modern fans dont know about isnt the most iconic play in baseball

12:25 What's to say Altuve was "falsely accused?" Was it ever proven he WASN'T wearing a wire, or are we merely going off his lame excuses?

They couldn't play Hodges' call.......after 72 years??!! You gotta be kidding me!!! BTW, was he related to GIL Hodges?

If MLB execs had had any huevos rancheros, they would have had the Astros vacate the World Series that year AND either had them either play all their games on the road or forfeit all 81 home games.

Lots of comments here from people who think cheating is fine, and some even think it's a good thing. Huh.

Ha ha! Cubs were so bad they had to cheat and they still couldn't win.

The astros mainly used buzzers not trash cans

The original Astros

The 51 Giants in that run actually hit better on the road than they did at home. So it’s bunk.

12:25 okay. This tells us all we need to know about your credibility

I detect a Brady-Patriot hater at the end of video. Haters gonna hate. As you said, still gotta play the game. Patriots 6 SB's , Brady -7 SB's.

Well done. EXCEPT that too many players' names were mispronounced. Sad.

It's not cheating to hve a ADVANTAGE and use it

YOU know WHAT WAS CHEATING AT IT'S BEST WAS HOW THEY KEPT BLK PLAYERS OUT OF BASEBALL UNTIL 47 AND STILL TREATED (JACKIE) THEM LIKE SHTTTTTTTT SHTTTTTTTT Racism was secondary

The Astros used buzzers

Another crybaby Dodger fan, making excuses for why Dodger Blue almost always chokes when the chips are down. Also, don't the practically equal home/away stats for the '51 Giants after 7/20/1951 indicate that the team was simply on a hot streak?

What's "fraudulent" is not even being able to spell Bobby THOMSON's name correctly, yet accusing him of cheating on this play. Clickbait! Learn the story of the pitch: that Branca was trying to back Thomson off the plate, and he missed the target, so Thomson pulled his arms in and hit the ball into the lower deck.

Blah, blah, blah. Booooooooooooring.