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Michael Jordan could also stretch his arm 50 feet for a slam dunk. Check out the documentary called Space Jam. Could LeBron do that? No. Case closed.

This further shows the Lebron James weakness that is playing in a organized offense that developed the lesser players to the degree that if any thing happened to the star they could move on without him. Jordan submitted to the Triangle Offense which allowed the inferior players to perform in a system that when M.J. retired they were able to move without him and just insert new dudes in the system. Where as the way the Cavs played no Lebron no way out.

MJ left bulls twice with 2 3peats.. LeBron left Cleveland twice with 2 sweeps😂 Now compare that😂😂😂😂😂

Interesting argument. Except you are forgetting that LeBron didnt "win" the championship before leaving Cleveland the 1st time.....MJ's bulls did. Also, Cleveland's entire team continuity was changed from coaching and player perspective....while the Bulls coaching scheme and dynamic was still intact (just not at the same championship level). These Lebron and MJ arguments for comparative greatness need to cease. Look at the game footage for each player and decide for yourself if MJ made his teammates better by being the "ultimate" utility player.....or has Lebron benefited by his teammates allowing him to "shine" in the LBJ system by supressing their own strengths.

Lebron Happens when God decided to play 2k and create a player, Jordan Happens when God himself plays Basketball.

I'm glad you go back to reexamine things the way they would be scrutinized today. Everybody remembers things so differently 😂

Don't forget bulls had same roster, they took like 7 players off the cavs after lebron left, that matters.

Excellent video, finally someone shows more complete context. The 93 Bulls did cruise through the regular season and could have easily won 64-68 games that year. And I remember Scottie being interviews saying they payed every game in 94 like it was game 7 playoffs. I have always said the 55 wins without MJ was not a knock on MJ nor was it a pro toward Lebron.

Best series ever to refute this nonsense that Lebron is better than Jordan.

Agree totally. Anytime someone has brought up the 1994 Bulls, I always say that only proves how good Scottie Pippen was. LeBron and MJ are both great players, but they played in completely different contexts. The best argument/counter one can make is that MJ never made it to the Finals until Pippen became a superstar, while LeBron got there once with nothing around him. But Jordan went 6-for-6 with Pippen, and LeBron lost twice with D-Wade.

Bulls with Jordan 6 championships Cavs with Lebron 1 championships

if MJ didn't go play baseball how many rings would he have prob.be 7 or 8 in my opinion

Silly comparisons! After you lose in the championship 6 times, this debate should end. There are more interesting topics.

Scottie MVP? Revisionist history alert.....Scottie did not get it done against the Knicks at crunch time in the playoffs. Also, the following season Pippen struggled to get the MJ less Bulls to anything but a .500 team (minus Grant now playing with the Magic). Context does matter...and MJ could not have won those 6 rings without the help of certain players on the Bulls. However, this is besides the point as Jordan's greatness is about "how" he utilized his skill set to "fill in the gaps" for his teams in the triangle basketball philosophy. That dynamic only worked for 2 teams...Bulls and the Lakers....based on the skill sets of those teams and ability to accept their roles. MJ was able to utilize his dominant basketball skills (offensively and defensively) at crucial moments within games to help his teams garner championship success. Lebron's system and skill set has allowed his teams to reach more championship opportunities than MJ's teams....but failed to win more than losing due to Lebron's playstyle depending too much on his success ( ball dominant and less team cohesion) within game flow.

THANK YOU!!! I've been trying to make this argument forever on these boards!

When Jordan left they already won 3x.. when LeBron left., Cleveland already got a taste of a sweep..a humiliating sweep🙄

Jordan didn't want to join other superstars. He wanted to beat them. He didn't change teams once they were no longer contenders. Instead, he made two different generations of the Bulls champions and they both three-peated. He won every Finals series he was in and didn't even allow a single team to force a Game 7. He took most of two years off, and then came back, and won two more MVPs and three more championships. Not bad for the guy who once didn't even make his high school's varsity basketball team.

you are the most rationally minded hoops commentator i know of. absolute agreement on nearly all your vids!!!

Oh and by the way lebron is extremely intelligent so he knows this "system" he runs is in efficient at winning titles. He is only concerned with mj. Look he has logged way more time to reach Jordan's numbers and hes playing against people who he's bigger ,faster and stronger than to boot.

When is part 2 coming

MJ makes his teammates better.. LeBron makes himself better by making everyone else believe that he makes he's teammates better.. but MJ actually does.. simple.. when they both left.,the bulls team chemistry was still great.. when LeBron left.,they sucked coz there was already no team chemistry all along even when he was around 🙄 easy

Michael Jordan vs Lebron James is like Wayne Gretzky vs Alex Ovechkin.

Bulls played badly in 1993, they only had 57 wins. In 1994, they lost MJ but added Kukoc, Longly..., etc. Which was still a good team, they had more good big players, and Kukoc was a great players and shooter. In 1995 before MJ came back, Bulls played really bad and might not able to make to playoffs. But after MJ's coming back, you got to admit that the bulls played much better than before, even MJ was not in even 70% condition.

People get too emotional with these "GOAT" debates. Bottom line is this. Look at overall individual accompaniments and resumes. Nobody cares about finals appearances.. they only care about finals won. Nobody cares about MVP runner ups... They only care about the winner of the award. Nobody cares about the teammates you played with... They only cared about the end results of your team and your individual season That being said, Michael Jordan has a more impressive resume as of today.

The dude who created this video is forgetting that the Bulls got the #1 pick of the 1999 draft the year after Michael Jordan retired. The main difference with the 1994 Bulls and the 2011 Cavs is that the Bulls didnt went on to rebuilt the team. They stick with the stars they had while the Cavs intered into a rebiulding process. Thats why they selected Kyrie Irving in the 2011 draft, Dion Waiters in the 2012 draft, Anthony Bennett in the 2013 draft and Andrew Wiggins in the 2014 draft. If the dude who created the video had the desired to be impartial, then he should selected the 1999 Bulls and started from that point onward.

Look, it's not something you can really quantify by the numbers, who's better!! When you watch James play, he is unstoppable, he is built like a brick shit house, one of the most athletic players to ever play in the league, supremely talented, and good on defense and passing too. But when you watched MJ play, it was just this feeling, something unable to be measured, that this is the greatest player ever!!! James is good, but he's not really that exciting to watch. Jordan was in the air taking teams on 4 to 1, shooting the ball backwards, getting fouled and throwing it up in the air and making it, stunting like an extreme gold medalist!! There's no question he is the greatest. James is chasing rings to get the recognition that he belongs on the same level, while Michael was already known as the greatest player of all-time before he ever won his first championship!!!

What you failed to consider is the system (or lack thereof in Cleveland) for both teams. The reason why the Bulls were relatively successful right after Jordan's retirement was because they actually ran a system that the players bought in to and the fact that Phil was a great coach. The reason lebron's teams crumble after he leaves is because of the lebron james system which is built to glorify him and him only

There is not enough space here for me to blow this argument full of holes.

bulls with jordan= champion...cavs with james= swept

What if Jordan went 3-6 would we claim Jordan to be the Goat Hell No so why is James in this debate period

you can say the same things about the 14-15 Miami Heat who lost Lebron, lost most of its core (Ray Allen, Battier), had some mid-Season trades (rotation players for Dragic), had some injuries (Bosh, McRoberts, Granger) and then failed to make the playoffs. The whole point of this is we have to look at what's left of the team rather than the player who left. Thus, this can't be used against MJ as GOAT

man, what a great video. props on the info collected

Exposing all these Lebron fanboys great video!!

You have the best intro man

Imagine if mj woulda played with that 94 team they woulda had a 4peat possibly 🔥

Awesome. Thank you for the video.

The thing is every time lebron leaves the team is just bad because of the LEBRON system. The team is always built on lebron and when he leaves your team is just left with specific players to play with lebron

Why can't Jordan just be the greatest ever and LeBron be happy with greatest player active. Nobody doubts his skill. I believe He's close but he will never be Jordan.

2018 Lakers win 34 games. LeBron joins in 2019 and will probably still win 34 games.. The fact that the bulls could still win 55 games in 94 shows MJ actually made his team mates better. Without having to be there. And after have won titles in 91 and 92, the bulls cruised through the 93 season only winning 57 games while focusing on the playoffs. Just like the warriors are doing now.

Your intro song sounds a lot better at 1.25 speed imo, you should give it a shot

Jordan with the Bulls 6-6 Lebron with the Cavs 1-A LOT

Interesting argument. I wonder why he failed to mention that the 2015 heat kept their core, coach and brought in great role players such as luol deng and Goran Drogic. It's way more comparable than 2010 Cavs.

Great video. Your videos are always good. Keep it up.

Lebron 3-5 in the finals, more help than Jordan. Jumping teams to chase rings, cant play off the ball, ball dominant. Never 3peated.

It's doesn't make sense to compare a dynasty championship team 3x to a regular season team who won a ring.....This is not proof Lebron is better then MJ stupid comparision

Thank you for making sense of that season, for the Lebron fans.

Jordan won 3 in a row, retired for 2 years, came back and won 3 In a row again with a difference roster, he didn't go cherry picking from a other teams roster, he won with who he had we can't say that about LeBron and looks to play with other superstars, and yall give pippin too much credit, Jordan raised pippin level of play he didn't become a all star until they second title run.

You should compare with the 85-86 team when MJ got injured and lost the season. In 94, Pippen was an established all-star so it is unfair for MJ since the Cavs only had LBJ as a star.

thats a is a great argument, the other side being the bulls played the triangle offense and removing mj would not change how it was played, since they had the same roster and coach. while the cavs played around Lebron who when he left had no one to fill his shoe, also the addition of that many new players and losing older players would put team chemistry off. its like ac vs dc current essentially

Why don't people mention the season Jordan came back? "The Bulls struggled in the first half of the season with a 23-25 record at the All-Star break. However, they received a major boost upon the return of Michael Jordan, who came out of retirement to rejoin the team, faxing a memo that simply said "I'm back."[2] The Bulls won 24 of their final 34 games, and finished the season with a 47-35 record, going 13-4 with Jordan back in the lineup. The Bulls finished third in the Central Division and fifth in the Eastern Conference. Jordan wore #45 on his jersey, but later on changed it back to #23 during the playoffs"

MAKES NO SENSE! *THE BULLS WERE CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER BUILT TO GO TO THE FINALS PERENNIALLY, THE CAVS DIDN'T EVEN CARE ABOUT WINNING PERIOD!!* BULLS = RINGS CAVS = EVERY LEGEND DROPPED 50 ON THEM BEFORE

MJ lost before the finals 9 out of 16 seasons

You failed to mention that the 2009-10 cavaliers had some key injuries too. The 2nd and 3rd leading scorers in Williams and Jamison missed a combined 70 GAMES! The 4th leading scorer in O'neal also missed 30 GAMES! The backup center Ilguaskas also missed 18 games..... "Key role players" in Delonte West and Daniel Gibson also missed a combined 48 games. And Danny Green only played 20 games that year......... Yet they still went 61-21. And the fact that you put in Darnell Jackson who only averaged 0.8 points per game and only played 27 games as a "Key loss", tells me that your view in this argument has some bias. And some of the players that replaced Jordan weren't all that either. Bill Wennington only averaged 7 points per game, Blount only averaged 3 points per game, Longley only played in 27 GAMES and Pete Meyers never averaged over 5.2 points per game in his career before joining the Bulls, and he came over from Italy.... The only real additions were Kukoc and Kerr. And the Bulls were a couple bad calls away from making the Conference Finals. And that Pacers team who they would've faced wasn't all that either (47-35), so they easily could've made the Finals WITHOUT Jordan. Meanwhile the Cavs got the 1st pick in the draft. This LBJ vs MJ argument still stands.

Wow! The loss of the Cavs’ 4th leading scorer is what led to the Cavs losing 63 games in 2011. smh

Basically, the Bulls without MJ is a Miami Lebron team..

Wrong wrong wrong, the Bulls also went into the Lottery after Jordan retired in 1998 finishing 16-66. Why do people forget that.

All this video proves is Jordan "actually" made his teammates better.. So good that they could play without him because they learned from him.. They didn't make it without him to the championship because they still needed a leader despite how good he made them.. LeBron doesn't make anyone better.. That's why none of his teams play good when he not on the floor.. That attributes to them not being able to create on his teams.. Also some of LeBron old teams had alot of injuries after he left.. That's why they lost so this argument anyway is stupid

My only problem with the argument is we are comparing a way out of prime Shaq and Z to Dennis and Scottie and saying that’s the same thing?

Let’s not forget that they went from 45 wins in 95 to 72 wins in 96.

Which one of these guys never had a teammate averaged more than 22ppg in the finals? Which one of these guys never shot below 40% nor averaged below 25ppg in the finals? Let's not forget that Jordan's all time supporting cast had a total of 11 all star appearances with and without him while LeBron's had 44.

People forget the Bills were ass in 1994-95 the following year going 23-25 until MJ came out of retirement and saved their asses.

I understand the point of this video, but you sort of contradict your self. In another one of your vids, you talked about the MVP voting and why the playoffs don't matter, but it's the impact player in the Finals appearance that matters. If you look at Jordan's Final's appearances from that way, that's why he's such a talked about player. You have to look at the fact Jordan was the ONLY guard who changed the paradigm of how the game is played. The game was dominated by big men when Jordan was winning titles and that was unheard of. So everything has to be looked in perspective. You used a lot of stats as well to prove a point. That won't work when talking about Jordan's impact on the league. You have to use to eye test for that. Honestly, if Zeke won another 2-3 titles, I would be putting him right up there with MJ because Isaiah Thomas was a beast in Detroit. But he doesn't get his due because he had a bit of an attitude...and wasn't very likable due to the team he played for. So Jordan has to be viewed differently than other players. He was in a very good system. I would never give Jordan winning those titles alone. But I tell you what Jordan started? Hero ball. THAT'S what the league needed to keep the game alive. When Jordan left for those 2 years, ratings tanked. Jordan comes back? The NBA lives again. NO player before or after him has ever had that effect. So his 6 for 6 is symbolic to the league as well...for a player who stood for perfection in ways the average fan won't see it. I don't think he was...but he was definitely the best, imo, to ever play the game in terms of competitiveness and desire and will to win. Lebron can't say that...lol

How do you go 67 and 14 In an 82 game season

This is a pretty good argument here. It does show how important the organizations are to this argument, as well as how fatigue played a role. I do think that the Bulls success in those playoffs (and how they should've beat the Knicks) and the greatness of Scottie does still hurt the argument here, as the Heat also fell off after Lebron left too.

FACTS FACTS FACTS LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC

Jordan accomplished more in less time. Lebron has played played in the same amount of years and has yet to accomplish as much. Keep that in mind

Not only that, but everyone on the Bulls played with playoff intensity in regular season, because they had to prove that they werent just "Jordanairs". They absolutly maxed out their potential, just like 2016 Warriors. This is proven in the next season, when they were barely above .500 before MJ cameback in 1995. They were 23-25 at All-Star break, 34-31 at his return and made 13-4 run upon his return to make the playoffs. Bulls won 24 of last 34 games just from news MJ would be bacm after receiving fax that says "Im back". All in spite of him still being rusty from playing baseball for 1.5 years...

Only 2 of those cavs teams won a ring without LeBron. Even Danny Green won one with LeBron in the Lakers

The difference is the bulls eventually had pippen who led the team when Jordan walked away. Meanwhile no player could lead the Cavs out of lotto. Kyrie Irving couldn't even do it. Bulls were trash before Jordan and so were the Cavs before Bron. I think Bron is the most valuable player because of his Arsenal up until now but i still have MJ as the goat

Excellent video

The bulls went 67-15 in 1992 and 57-25 in 1993

Great video!

Im not even gonna watch this shit. Ill just say that the cavs got destroyed twice in the finals the last year James was there, so all they did was get out of weak easts. And Kyrie was in early MVP talks after moving to Boston

3:00 forgot to mention that Jamison only played around 50 games as well.

Your Argument at 3:16 support my argument that the only difference why MJ only played for one team compare to Lebron had to build a super team to win, is because of the difference of the Organization, Bulls is a top tier organization that knows how to build championship teams, unlike the Cavs, that is why Lebron even left them the second time.

Stop with the Lebron dominating the NBA by reaching 8 finals. Total nonsense.... Lebron was lucky he came into a weak east just like Magic came into a weak west in 80s. The East was brutal in 80s with Celtics (as great as they were only manage 3 rings) Detroit 76ers and Atlanta. After MJ Bulls dominated 90s, the East have only won 3 out of 12 finals up to 2010 making a case the weakest era for Eastern Conference. Then Lebron took another 2 stars from the East (Wade & Bosh) to team up hence weakening the east even further. The recent moves of stars from to west such as Butler and PG13 further weaken east

It's not just the 2011 cavs.. its every team lebron left. Why didnt this video include the 2014 -2015 heat after lebron left, who still had basically their starting 5 minus lebron

hey the bulls have the triangle to win 55 games while the cavs dont have any system

They are comparable because it proves that MJ had better teammates. Rodman and Pippen are both 1st ballot HOF players. Shaq at 40 was not for the Cavs and Mo Williams isn't even an allstar without Lebron James.

Thats 2010 Cavs roster looked bottom 3 if you just erase Lebron from it

No KZfaqr should talk about LeBron being better than Jordan cuz kids get emotionally abused apparently

why wouldn't you compare both prime teams, like the 2012 Miami Heat without lebron vs '94 Bulls LOOOOOL

Lebron fanboyyyyyy

I will try dissecting this video piece by piece as I come along it in the video. Firstly,the very first part where he talks about the Cavs being worse after LeBron left is true...but let’s not act like ANY of those guys being there still would have made any difference 💯 those were role players that only played small parts in LEBRON’S grand scheme of things. LEBRON was the FATTEST reason they were so successful,so I have to disagree with his argument on that 1

Thoughts on a LBJ vs. KD future video???

This dude acting like mo. Williams big z can carry the cavs out. Of the lottery 😂😂😂😂

It’s obvious the Cavs were tanking to get the number 1 pick...

🔥🔥🔥

Well I guess I'll stop using that argument

Excellent video. You could also include how Miami was a playoff team before LeBron came but wasn't after Lebron left. I had been saying forever the LeBron was not the only player to leave Cleveland and you just laid it all out.

Did you ever (at one point) think that Pippen was once a Top 10 player in the 90's?

Like Shannon Sharpe two things can be the truth

Let's see how Cleveland does again without LeBron.

Great video

So if you say that KD is better than Lebron than is he also better than Jordan.

Yall gotta remember Jordan's era didn't have that many 3pts shooters

1994 was Scottie’s best basketball

Cavs' strategy is to tank when LBJ23 left, is that simple and the conspiracy of the NBA helping them to win 1st picks is there, I would not be surprised of an old LeBron coming to retire in Cleveland to support rising Zion...

You can’t compare the 2010 Cavs to the 1998 Bulls though. Although both had their best three players removed in the year after. The Bulls 3 would smoke the Cavs 3. Bulls were losing prime hall of fame players and Cavs were losing 1 hall of fame player in or before his prime, an after prime Shaq and just Mo Williams.