90's and 2000's cars that can be repaired by DIY'ers and current mechanics are going to hold value and stay on the roads for a long, long time.

My next door neighbor has a 2014 Tesla Model S. After a bit over 300K miles the battery "died" he went to Tesla and they said it would be around $20K to replace or around $15K to recondition. Instead he went to the Electrified Garage in Pompano Beach and they did a reconditioning for 5K with a 1 year warranty. That was about a year ago and he is still driving the car today. BTW, there's a place in TX that you can ship your car to them and they will recondition your battery for around $3K. Shipping round trip would be around $1400. One final note. It's just like you said, going to the dealer is too expensive, so you go to the Aftermarket. Most of the cars with dead batteries are cars have well over 300K miles. Reality is that most Gas powered cars don't last 300K miles so we're kind of talking about the same thing here. Personally I drive close to 50K miles a year and an electric car saves my well over $1000 a month in fuel. After a decade those savings are in excess of $100K, so if I had to pay $20K to replace my battery it would still be worth it. Truth is however that batteries are getting cheaper. Hell I could go to Alibaba RIGHT NOW and order all 7104 cells for just 48 cents each! What's that? $3400 plus maybe $1500 for shipping? Sure you still have to pay someone to do the work, but even that should only be a couple thousand. To top it off, these new cells have a higher energy density, so the pack would actually have a higher energy rating. PLUS once everything is said and done there are LOTS of companies that pay between $300-$1000 just for used lithium battery scrap for recycling.

We just need to go back to 90s and early 00s cars. They were the best back then.

My favorite repair story from a couple years ago was when my 91 Harley starter went out. I took it to a little shop about 5 miles from home . Young guy at the counter yelled "hey dad how long for a Harley starter?" Dad in the back yelled back " four o'clock" . Cost me 70 bucks!

EV manufacturers claimed battery packs would outlive the vehicles, reality is tons of still perfectly good EVs will get scrapped due to replacement batteries being impossible to find for a reasonable price beyond the warranty period. And even during the warranty period, people may get screwed by sub-par salvage or refurb battery. This may be the beginning of the end for proprietary monolithic battery packs. For EVs to be sustainable, there needs to be modular standards so packs can be replaced one faulty module at a time for 1/10th the price.

Funny Just found a 35 thousand mile 1950 Dodge that sat since 1977 had it running driving and going down the road for less then 500 bucks and 24 hours.Wonder how well a 74 year old Tesla runs lol

I disagree with April on 1 thing: Batteries in cellphones haven’t become better over time. They have only become larger and are now basically not replaceable anymore. Coming from the automotive industry, I can also say that “simply” becoming certified for EV repairs isn’t that simple. Besides special education regarding high voltage system work, there’s also the CI compliance and workspace regulations! You’re (usually) not allowed to work on EV within X amount of feet from flammable materials, standard cars etc., making space requirements more difficult. In addition you need new, very expensive tools. The CI clearance, tools and education can be around US$ 400000.- for a small repair shop with 4 mechanics! Additionally you have the issue of handling (= getting rid of) the old batteries, as well as insurance issues should some customer’s battery ignite. Fun & entertaining video, and April is as gorgeous as always! Best wishes

I just had an old man TV show flashback. When Hoovie flexed his noodle arm, it reminded me of Bowser from Sha Na Na.

Been a throw away society since the 2000's. It's time to go back to simple and effective cars.

People just don't properly maintain their battery with a few simple rules: 1) Never leave the battery at full charge for long periods of time; 2) Vary the charge level; 3) long time storage (>1 day) keep the battery SOC between 50-80%; 4) if the battery's thermal control is not that great avoid fast charging beyond 240 volt chargers. I'm still on my original 2011 Nissan Leaf battery (no thermal control) and it still can be fully charged in all modules with the normal range degradation (right now about 65% the original range). The car has gone through 3 accessory batteries (regular car battery) and 4 key fob batteries in that time so far.

After getting bitten by the Cybertruck, Hoovie takes it out to the gravel pit ...

I still have my Nokia brick. It's the only phone that operates perfectly when I'm working underground. It's been dropped hundreds of times, you just put it back together and it's happy again. It's been dropped in water many times and once dry it's fine. I'm 49 and I'm fairly sure one day my son will receive it in my will. Not just the brick obviously. Or hopefully not just a Nokia brick lol.

I Like hearing April Rose on the radio with Steve Gorman Rocks!

BYD made the Nokia brick batteries. Now they are making cars!

I'm sure battery technology and aftermarket replacements will improve. I can't imagine junking a car after only 10 years of ownership. We're still driving the 2005 Corolla that we bought new and it's parked beside our 2006 Matrix. The odometers on both are around the 300,000 mark and they still look and run great.

Mostly unrelated to this - I saw a Fisker Karma in the wild yesterday in MN. I was actually shocked that there was one up here. It was parked, not moving though... 😄

We already live in a disposal car society. Shopping for my daughter's first car, lots fulls of 100s of great condition mid/late 2000s Kias, Hyundais and Nissans with bad transmissions and engines... And this was during 2021/2022 used car price craziness and they still weren't worth fixing.

Gas ⛽️ 👍🏽

Dear Elon. In 2001 I bought a Casio watch, I'm on the 3rd strap and the 7th battery. #stillworking

The best option is to keep GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR BUSINESS and let the consumer buy what they want!

My first iPhone was the 3G as well. Last iPhone was a 4 and I've been team Android ever since. First phone was an Ericsson R280LX.

battery tech has already improved since these early model S, but yeah we need some government mandate to 1/ have a battery capacity meter like an odometer that is mandatory and needs to appear in all sales documents 2/ force builder to do modular repairs on batteries: i.e. design the packs so modules can be replaced instead of the whole thing OR make the full replacement cheap

iPhone 3G was the 2nd iphone. 3G was the network protocol. The first iPhone was a 2G device (EDGE/GPRS).

I miss 60's cars. beautiful, powerful and you could rebuild everything yourself with the correct tools.

Several big companies are investing in EV battery recycling and reconditioning both. As time goes by you can be assured that there will be more people with working solutions. As Always, May God Bless you and yours!

We all have phones… who after a year or so it doesn’t charge as well as it used to or hold a charge

This was a really great, informative overview of a complex emerging problem. Definitely needs some big picture solutions...

Your studio, the colors, the lighting... Top notch!

New ICE vehicles are disposable as well, especially the smaller cars. GM's Trax went from an already small 1.4L turbo 4 to an even smaller 1.2L turbe 3 cylinder- in a larger vehicle with the redesign. these engines are running maxxed out just during normal driving and are generally considered unrepairable.

Model 3/y can get full battery replacement for about $6500. I think the company is called recell. Cheaper than some a lot of crate engines I've replaced. I don't know much about the company though, bit they do warranty the replacement.

My favorite KZfaq channel!

I think the same thing happens with engines or even transmissions now. Any older European vehicle is as expensive or more than a battery even when replacing with a used part.

This show is awesome - whenever Hoovie talks all I hear is "blah blah blah blah" but I have something nice to look at!!

Sounds like all these Cybertruck owners are getting... Cyber Bullied... (eh, eh, eh, get it)

5:04 how Tyler said this part. Are we just done without. any emotion. And the look on his face. Hits different Well done bud. Outstanding

You extremely fortunate to have that woman

My '03 Ford Crown Vic has 200,000 miles on it and will probably go that much more and I don't have to worry about it burning down a parking garage or my house.

How far away is the class action lawsuit for injuries from the cyber truck?

If all manufactures makes cars like Renault or nio with swap stations, users would be more protected against battery death.

I've been driving a 1972 Ford Pinto Squire wagon for over 35 years. I have replaced the engine once. Did the work myself. Didn't cost much. I've also been driving a 1964 Ford Fairlane for almost 20 years. I bought that with no engine or transmission. I pulled an engine and transmission out of a '71 Ford LTD and put in the Fairlane. Still runs great. There are over 20 different engines that will fit in that car. I may wind up dong a V8 swap on the Pinto. Unless they get totally destroyed or rust away (and cars don't rust in AZ, where I am) older cars are literally immortal.

Elon should start selling Tesla BANDAGES...

There *WAS* supposed to be an option to rent a battery and have it replaced at a service station when the life was up. There are recycling facilities popping up that take your old batteries and extract the metals to make a recycled battery.

Glad your Tesla tat is healing well !

Blond girl: "What's a 3G"? I shit my pants.....

Love you two. Careful with that cool new truck!

Cyber Truck security. Razor blades on the ends 😮

I purchased my Toyota Celica RA42, hatchback, 20R, 5SP, 4 banger new in 1979. Guess what? I still drive her anywhere I want to go. Made in Japan!

this is the reason why i want to make laws that basically require support for vehicles and large appliances sold for atleast 30 years, and after manufacturers MUST release part details and repair instructions. MORE OVER requiring standardization of components and publishing specifications that can be used to develop aftermarket parts for the vehicles.

The part replacement thing is what they dö ön all modern cars, so its not just for evas.

funny thing is elon said battery packs would only cost 6 grand to replace

Me: there is blood on the cybertruck!? Is it from zombies!? Truck owner: no the blood is from me, i was approaching the car

👍Enjoyed the video.

Sell it while you can Hoovie

That Tesla replacement battery is a used “refurbished” one from an old car. Btw, BYD’s parent company made those Nokia batteries back in the 90’s

great chanel,,

Tyler "less than," "fewer than" respectfully submitted.

I do not understand why people are so shocked about the $20,000 replacement costs of a battery. I had my engine locked up on my 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8l and if the Hyundai did not cover any of the cost it would have been a $20,000 engine replacement since they do not make that engine anymore. They had to build the engine at the dealership and then install it. I am sure any can where they do not make the engine anymore would be a similar cost

The batteries are going to the recycling groups, after some of them are repurposed for other uses

For Tesla's the battery fail rate is around 2% overall from Roadster till now. Yes the Model S up until 2016 had a lot more failures but the majority. 2019 and newer Tesla's used as Taxi's and ride share are getting 300 - 400K routinely. I don't know of a lot of ICE that get that kind of miles.

We changed a batt here at shop. 2014 model s. What we found out is they never had the car plugged in and left the car with no charge at all for long periods. Also it went very nicely to replace. Not hard at all.

New Green Deal! Oh sounds Great . Hahaha!! I’ll stick to Gas.

Which KZfaqr will do the first "LS Cyber truck"?🤔

Solution… buy rust free late 90s and early 2000s vehicles! 50 years from now these will be the cars people crave. Live on 1996 K2500 454!

The batteries are recyclable but have to be handled extremely careful. Otherwise the plant might blow up like the one in Scotland a few weeks ago. That was scary 😳😬

The solution has already been found. Insurance companies are now pricing tesla's extremely high or refusing them altogether which closes the loop on cost of ownership. Simple capitalism at work.

This is a great example of how laughable it is to "go green" with disposable crap. From cars to appliances, making items that do not last or that are easily maintainable is NOT green, doesn't matter how you want to market it.

all evs have a master service disconnect{MSD} this disconnects the battery so it can be safely serviced i learned this in my fire dept training. there are guides that show the locations and disconnect procedures

Robby Layton has a body shop, and while he has adapted the battery lift for other uses, the lift cost him $10,000 to purchase for his shop. How many smaller shops or body shops can or will lay out that kind of money to repair these cars?

Check out the videos of Chinese BYD EVs batteries catching fire.

EV's are dying and have zero value?? Who would've thunk it?? 😆😂🤣

10 years old, out of warranty. Send it to Electrified Garage. $3-5k vs $20k is a no brainer. Long term solution is an aftermarket replacement battery. You got the 🏦 and 🥚 🥚 to make them there's a market. I suggest prismatic batteries.

Modern ICE cars are definitely not worth fixing a lot of times too. So complex like you said. Well no one’s going to want to restore or keep fixing these ultimate leasing machines

When a car or truck needs a new transmission is when it usually gets junked. The cost and labor involved is usually more than the vehicle is worth.

Tell me again why in the hell would someone want a EV? This sounds like a nightmare

Where is the link?

Was going to buy a model y but just changed my mind will buy a Camry xle hybrid instead

An EV is an appliance, You can't think about it like a traditional car. Its more like your fridge or your TV. The issue is the premium they charge does not support this model today. When someone designs an EV with a simple and affordable way to replace the battery then we can think about them more like a traditional car again.

The frunk on the cybertruck is very dangerous. I saw a video of a guy slicing carrots with it

Companies such as Li-Cyle (Rochester, NY) are recycling these used batteries 8:25 Also, just like the early computers, I believe batteries will become much more compact and efficient.

So, my besty got a new Macan S in 2015. Drove it hard, serviced it hard, to 145k miles. At 145k, engine started making a slight tick. Tick got louder and louder. Took it to dealership, engine is toast. New engine is $20k. Macan is totaled. What’s different here than the Tesla? This isn’t specific to EVs…

Tesla mau well charge $20,000 but the battery packs no longer cost anywhere near that.

Don't forget about when the frunk got your head at the car wizards.

The cat saved the day. Otherwise it was like watching that MTV show with Nick Lachey trying to cope with Jessica Simpsons's toolset.

There is no fixing any of the battery packs... we RC modelers knew this 15 years ago with our multicell Lipos... once one cell goes and starts showing balance problems... the others are not too far behind. the only solution is an entire pack. then the issue of the Motors and ESCs... ECS are the next thing to go. silicon carbide MOSFETs in them also have a finite life... and when one shorts or fails open inside... the rest quickly follow because they are often multiple devices that have been selected to match. ICE rules for one reason and one reason only... mechanical parts that can be replaced.

My buddy can't wait till his 36 months leased model 3 is up. He keeps track of how many months. Everything thinks its an UBER and he has had people try to get in, then get mad at him.

With recycling issues how many wreckiing yards today will balk at buying a vehicle with a battery that they are not equipped to remove and recycle? How far would they have to ship the large and heavy battery asstembly to a facility qualified to recycle it?

Nio has stations to replace them like a vending machine.. maybe some kind of exchange program.. what if they write code in them so the die right after warranty is up ?

This is something I predicted as soon as EVs came out, I was familiar with Lion batteries from model helicopters. The electricity is cheap, but the cost of battery replacements likely costs more than just buying gas for 10 years. An average person spends about 2k per year on fuel so 22k for battery replacement is a bit more expensive than gas, and the electricity just costs extra.

Batteries are getting recycled or repurposed. No one is throwing them away. I do agree that there needs to be a better aftermarket repair community to keep them going in order for them to be sustainable.

The answer is easy. Keep the repairable vehicles on the road. Anything pre 2010ish, parts are cheap and a plenty for many models and fairly easy to work on. And especially anything pre 1980ish, parts even cheaper, more a plenty, and interchangeable between models in many cases, and even easier to work on. Aka save the OG hoopties.

My first phone was the Nokia brick too. What an awesome phone. I remember playing snake for hours

lots of good battery info in this, and yes you can short term fix batteries by replacing individual cells but it will increase the rate of failure in other cells because you added new cells that are soo out of spec with the current cells. The only thing I'm baffled by is Elon didn't hide this, you knew you'd have to replace the battery pack and that the cost of that battery was almost half the cost of the car, so I'm just confused how its news.

EV’s will end up in people’s driveways or on the street abandoned because the batteries are simply too expensive to replace and the wrecking yards won’t want to deal with the batteries. They’re a disposable vehicle for people with disposable income.

What is the average life span of an ICE automobile? Sounds like we need to reduce the cost of replacement EV battery packs.

I think it would be cool to see you 2 talk about how these batteries are made and the fact you have to mine to get them made

If anyone thinks Karma is not a real thing just watch a GMY upload and see how all the good and honest sales Tyler has made, he once sold a Cayenne to a 70 + year old man for $5 after fixing its issues. Yes he’s had some personal things happen recently but I’d say he landed in his feet with a second YT channel and a freakin gorgeous GF co host! I hope more positives come your way!!

The answer is get rid of the batteries. Generate electricity on-board with a fuel cell or an as yet to be created energy source. Current EVs are a niche product with very limited uses. They are not ready to replace ICE.

Could you do a review of what the new bottom line is for different categories of vehicles. Like, what is the expected value for vehicles at 250,000 miles.

Again, that's what people like me said 'bout evs since they becamed a hype. But the EVs fans said we're liars and EV haters. The hype of "saving Earth" with EV was just marketing propaganda to sell "ready to throw away" overpriced vehicles.

battery cars are not the future !