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I almost didn't watch it because of that! hehe

Lol yeah I probably could have titled it better. I've been told I have the mind of a 14 year old though so it's oddly appropriate, I guess =]

@@madseasonshow Don't we all have that mind? I mean, we're adults and still playing WoW LOL

@@madseasonshow hehe

Same xD

Mike the Milkman I still remember the tanking trinket I got from [Emblem of Frost]! Such a feeling of accomplishment!

I actually quite enjoyed grinding gear like that in TBC. The trinkets were great and the release of ZA offered some great catchup gear. It was a pretty satisfying way of getting gear, compared to BFA. I felt very hollow about getting new gear in BFA. In TBC it felt great and noticeable every time I got a new upgrade. Now I am just looking forward to classic and gear actually mattering again.

It gave me a reason to do my daily H. before LFG you could get anyone to join, including last minute dailies with top players so it gave me a reason to look good on the DPS chart. As grindy as those badges were I liked redeeming them for some impactful gear.

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but converting the majority of the gear drop experience into a shopping trip felt like a rather lazy solution to total randomness from the loot tables. Of course it was demonstrably more fair, but then again, raids should be more important than what gear you get out of them. I'm not going to lie and say it never felt bad that I went through several whole raids in vanilla and simply walked out several gold poorer, but it always felt good watching my guild mates roll on and earn a substantial upgrade to what they had before. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Heirloom shop in Wrath and I certainly think supplementing normal drops with a handful of things you could purchase would've been good all around.

@@AlvOlsen £p0

I *might* try it next expansion if they fix shit, providing the game still exists.

i'm not falling for that shit again like i did with bfa... it's all about classic since blizzard keeps on destroying retail.

@@WeallAreAdults At the very least, wait until the expansion launches and check out people like Preach for thoughts on it.

Fuck new expansion for casual who no one will like, no passionate player will comment and will mindlessly play. Join classic is the shit joh, everybody is going to be playing "the actual good Wow game" and not this Battle for my ass.

@@AntonioKH2 Hmmm. Im to casual then i guess

MORALLY GREAY

May sylvion watch over you!

Utter. GOLD.

Isn't it from preach gaming?

chronic2001n It’s Ion Hazzikostas (the game director of world of warcraft) in sylvannas windrunner cosplay 👌

You the man!!! 👊🏻

You forgot to mention that WoW was dead as well.

@@Paperclown Well, I have to say that I respect your opinion as it does hold true for you, and I wish that you were getting a more positive feeling from the game now. For me it is a family game. All of my children were just hitting their double digits when I started playing. I was a hardcore raider back then and my kids naturally fell into the gaming hobby and each eventually got their own accounts. We played with my sister and brother-in-law, and all of us were doing hardcore content up until MoP. Things slowed down in-game as they do when life happens, and we became casuals. But we always came together to play and had a great time. They are now all in their twenties (one about to turn 30) and live in different states. We have all stayed relatively active in WoW as those casuals, and try to get on together as often as feasible with everyone's hectic schedules. We hit up Skype (if everyone wants to see each others mugs) or Discord (if we're having a bad hair day or don't feel like putting on a bra), get in game and go ham together. There are usually enough of us playing that we can make LFR hell for anyone we aren't happy with (generally those players that are messing it up for everyone else or perpetually AFK) by voting them off, and old content is fun to buzz through for gear, etc, while we laugh at my inability to jump or my sister's penchant for pulling everything in a fifty mile radius because she thinks that if the two of us are together we can take on all the things (we can't, but it's just pixel gold for repairs so...). I will admit that mine is not a typical case, and while I did mean the comment in jest given the other stereotype phrases he used for WoW nowadays, I hope that if someone is still playing the game, that they are doing so because they enjoy it. For me and mine WoW is not dead and we judge each expansion by our enjoyment of it together and not necessarily the ways they are judged by the community at large.

@@sephestra. wow is not dead for some of us

I loved the review. You hit so many nails on the head!

i mostly hated unholy since legion. Cause who thought giving them a rng and worse version of first combo points was a good idea at all.

Haven't liked class design since mop, and I thought it was terrible then

Yeah, I felt the same about feral druid, and I stopped playing because of that. In legion there was always something to do in terms of rotation. Was there a need for resource management? Oh yeah, certainly, but I did not need to stare at a tiny number on my screen to wait for it to go up enough every 3 skills I used.

Donnerbalken classes don’t feel the same at all.. in fact the classes as of Legion are amazing, every spec is like a different class.. it’s a huge improvement over MoP for example

Same in my opinion I feel it specially since I want to start from scratch and new characters have like 3 skills until lvl 30 and then again classes feel so grey everyone has everything I wish each class had some special feel around itself like mage had huge damage or cc warrior being tanky like hunter and rogue resists but problem with cc and stuff. I stared playing wow late cats early panda and there was like 3x time more skills then now.

@@robm78 the more you watch this guy's videos the more you'll fall in love with his opinions and stories. This guy has it nailed down.

Great

Thanks guys...it means a lot!

Actually, I weirdly feel the same way. I don't normally approach games like this, but I pretty much decided impulsively that what MadSeason said about BFA would determine whether I bother with it or not. I think I'll wait for 8.2 and see how that pans out, but he does make me regret missing Legion during its time.

i clicked because of the thumbnail lol xD

100% this. they've taken the reward out of gear. its like a responsibility when you get new gear. so much research and consideration has to be done just to equip something. i remember getting my first mythic +10 gear in legion and it was considerably worse than my +6. i was like yup...im done with this game...

@@VS666 I feel like if you're quitting the game because you don't like that gear isn't a braindead upgrade in all scenarios just because it's higher item level then you should've quit a very long time ago. Gear has not be a relevant or determining factor in player agency in such an incredibly long time. When was the last time it was actually a big deal when you got a specific piece of gear outside of Legion Legendaries? Probably Wrath. To me, this whole "omg I hate having to simulate and blah blah blah" argument is so overused and pointless, man. You're either playing at a high level completing super high keys or clearing Mythic raids at a competitive pace, or you aren't. And if you aren't, you don't need to worry about that stuff if you don't want to. You are actively choosing to be upset about something that will actually, legitimately, have no impact on the way you play this game. From a high-end raider's perspective, gear has meant nothing for a very long time. It's a means to an end (completing higher content). If gear is important to you then you're holding on to a game that no longer exists. Classic is coming out soon, and it's rewarding to get epic gear there, I'd maybe suggest that. But this whole "epics aren't epics and gear is too mathy" argument is literally like 6 years too late.

Don't worry WoW is coming out soon.

One, you are putting your own words into his mouth. Two, you just said gear doesn't matter, in a game that is based on GEAR. That's exactly problem, which was his point.

Agreed, but i do wish we could tone down the praising. Sooner or late he is bound to lose his head over it, and that would really be a shame.

Over a year later and this has only become more true.

@@shmojelfed9664 Yep...I quit WOW in Oct 2017. Not because I was unhappy with the game, it's just with the exception of BFA I had been playing since early 2006 and needed a break. I decided not to come back for BFA because it didn't look interesting. I was considering coming back in late 2018, but then Blizzcon happened, and I ended up putting Blizzard on my permanent boycott list instead. "Don't you guys have phones" was the absolute last straw for me. WOD had put them on REALLY shaky ground (it was a blatant scam), and the only reason I came back for Legion was because I had followed the beta and knew it would be decent. So I came back for Legion, but that was Blizzard's last chance - one more fuckup would result in me never buying another product from them, and that fuckup happened at Blizzcon. The stuff they did over the next year and a half only vindicated my decision. These days, I have removed all Blizzard products from every device I own, and I will never give them another cent, even if they do make a good game again. I consider giving Blizzard money to be morally wrong. I do still get nostalgic about WOW up to Legion (with the exception of WOD)...but if I ever want to indulge that nostalgia it will be on a private server. The only way I would ever consider Blizzard again is if there are consequences for the crap they have done. They would have to get out from under Activision, and Brack and Adham would have to be fired. It's also possible, with the Blizzard brand and all their IP's being so toxic nowadays, that Activision will be willing to just sell off their IP's and shut them down...and if that happened, maybe, just maybe Dreamhaven could snag them, and turn WOW into a good game again. I know that won't happen, but it's a dream. Virtually all of the big developers at Blizzard are all leaving for Dreamhaven soon, quite a few already have. The company currently known as "Blizzard" is just a dead shell, that is basically Activision wearing their corpse like a suit (like the bug guy in the first MIB). It's already starting to decay and stink.

Well you can count me in

I cant wait for it please do something

I've played WoW for maybe a total of three months since 2011. I can't fucking wait for Classic.

Hard pass on Classic when they said AV will be post-nerf. What an awful time to be alive.

YOU HAVE MY AX

face palm* Ion is liar as well

LOL too real

That isn't a "Blizzard rep". Ion is the lead designer of WoW.

It makes you think twice about why you haven't written off this game

woah i just read your comment while tha dude was saying it lol

True, same could be argued about raiding in classic though. Although raiding in classic is a ton more fun and rewarding, Idk to me it just feels like nothing i do matters in retail right now, 99% of the reason i've been grinding classic like crazy.

"make us do the SAME dungeon over and over again just for that +5 extra Ilevel, feels like we're hamsters tbh." not like u didnt have to spend 12 hours in the same dungeon just to grind rep in TBC just to get a ring or anything like that. Settle down.

I personally feel that if a game isn't mildly broken, it isn't good. Hence why I'm excited for classic.

@@matthewrowell5973 Very true. I'm reading the WoW Diary right now, written by one of the original WoW devs, John Staats. He spends a lot of time talking about EverQuest and how it was all of WoW's developers' favorite game, and how so many of them were EQ junkies and wanted to create an updated and more accessible version of EQ. Was EQ a balanced game? No, not at all. Almost every class was "broken" in some regard, whether it was Wizards with their huge nukes, Enchanters with their CC and mind control, or even Monks with their ability to play dead. Everyone could do something that trivialized certain aspects of gameplay. But, because _everyone_ had different abilities like that _and_ the game was extremely difficult in general, it all worked out. That's the ideal way to "balance" a game. You don't make everyone equal; you make everyone equally broken in different directions.

If it isn't fun, why bother?

Matthew Rowell yeah and even in classic if you could make the argument that it’s it’s on kind of balance as it is perfectly and unbalanced. Some classes are the best at their own issues but each class and or spec has its own niche and that’s what’s important about it

You can also just make everything broken to where its all necessary to have. Like it used to be, you needed priests for that fortitude, needed paladins for the armor, druids for Motw and so on. Every class needs something super strong and so specific

bigger zones! i see smthg such as borean tundra and miss how big they used to be

@@STAVROS1801 Nothin borin' about Borean

@@STAVROS1801 yeah same! The zones are soooo small, it's crazy.

To be fair, you don't need the unlock WQs by doing the story on your alts - if you've unlocked WQs on your main, then at 120 you only need to do like, one quest and they'll be unlocked on that character too.

I love the Zone Music from WoD Legion and BfA the most tbh

Supgamer Try classic out if you want to feel weight in your actions.

@@aliengreen2364 Classic is excellent and with a bit of grinding you can get excellent gear with blacksmiting and leatheworking. Although, levelling is a bit more of a pain in the arse.

@@winstonvontoast6163 the difficulty makes it rewarding to me I find, multiple spells to use, you have to earn gold aswell as leveling up to unlock new spells, conserving mana for fights, forced player interaction because of difficulty in an mmo game is good, retail has pros but classic feels more mmo

"Win"? This is not a battle

MaMLP It is, Battle of Azeroth

@@Elriogranade What the hell are you talking about

It's a play on words. Battle.

@@Slammerbit I know. It just doesnt help the conversation

Play classic

Just never leave legion content

Come to Classic Nicholas! It's bloody great. Speaking as someone who was a Wrath-baby originally, I love Classic and am stoked for TBC, eventually.

who is asmongold?

@@arch4916 😐

Asmongold is a well known world of warcraft addict. Good content unhealthy lifestyle until he got a girlfriend lol

Asmongold hella toxic anyway tho

lolol

ManWithCrowbar Exactly. From the start it was difficult even to understand and complex not in a fun way. And then they didn’t give it out to test on alpha/beta, so nobody could give them feedback.

A way worse versipn of legion

legion was actually alright

@@Oopogo_9000 There hasn't been a good xpac since BC

Dubious you really want to think WotLK was bad? Are you serious?

@@Oopogo_9000 I've played since the start of Cata and Legion was my favorite expansion, only little ahead of MoP. Feel free to crucify me.

CLASSIC WILL COME THIS SUMMER YOU CAN CRY ALOT

@BlazeiX ok seeya there

Patickuss Sick burn!

@@Magitroll thanks bro!

Fuck you loser

People find comfort in these cliche's that to some extent are true but offer zero insight into why the game isn't satisfying to many.

@@ikuep You are right. But I'm not about to write a 20,000 word essay explaining the fall of blizzard here in a youtube comment. There are also many aspects that are subjective. Though from an economical standpoint... it's really not hard to see what's going on here if you have any living brain cells at all.

pretty much what all game companies are trying to do now a days. rockstar is one of the worst that do this, because they put more effort into encouraging players to purchase shark cards, than they do in making the game more enjoyable and great to play for all. for instance they put paywalls in the game for new and overpowered vehicles and weapons, by making said purchases require properties and customized additions in order to buy those vehicles and weapons. so why not purchase a shark card that instantly gives you some in game cash to be able to buy that shit faster. rockstar also makes certain things overpowered intentionally to make them irresistible.

But they didn't get it with no effort. It's the effort of the past that is giving them money today. People play WoW today because they are, like MadSeason here, playing for 14 years, so it's hard to just quit.

@@randjan8592 I'm not saying they didn't. And also not saying it was their initial intention, but if you look, you just nailed mobile game psychology #1. Give the players something to lose and that gives them attachment to the game so they will keep spending. In reality, the player owns nothing of substance. They don't even own their own digital property that they have worked 14 years for. If anything, these players don't want to admit to themselves that they have essentially wasted 14 years of their life, because they know when they quit, they leave with literally nothing. It's actually really sad to think about.

bUt mYtHiCs aRe hArDeR tHaN aNyThInGeLsE bEfOrE!!!! Yes one thing _is_ harder and requires more coordination, so that's what they cling to to "prove" modern WoW as a whole is harder and not mindless. Would be like if you claimed Zelda was harder than Dark Souls because you can choose to do a 3-heart swordless quest in it.

@@DrewPicklesTheDark nope, raiding and dungeon are the core of current wow (from tbc onward) they arent optional Than current wow Is harder than classic is a fact, that retail is shit is another fact tho

@@stylesheetra9411 Mythics are, normal raids and dungeons in BFA are still pathetically easy.

@@DrewPicklesTheDark yes they are easy, way harder than classic obv, but not hard, they are entry level as they should be

@@stylesheetra9411 The fact is the moment they added difficulty levels the baseline difficulty needed to see the content is all that mattered. The fact is gear means nothing and there is nothing waiting for you if you beat mythic. Before you could say "Hey Illidan is waiting for me if I do all of this" or a secret boss, something, anything. Gear actually meant something and was tailored to you, it felt good. Now? Theres nothing, literally nothing. Why should I do mythic? Give me one reason! You can't! No one can! Meaning the options beyond LFR have no actual purpose, the game has no purpose, its a game of useless content where you watch cutscenes. Thats it, nothing more. Optional difficulties mean NOTHING making Classic far more difficult because its content up to Naxx (have you beat Naxx? no? Then shut the fuck up) is actually REQUIRED. It has PURPOSE! It has SOMETHING not NOTHING like current WoW. Your NOTHING is POINTLESS!! BFA SUCKS AND IS FOR NOOBS IS A FACT IF YOUR BRAIN HALF FUNCTIONS!

lol looks like dani filth from cradle of filth

What game is that

Star Wars the Old Republic. The definition of remarkably unremarkable

fucking hell I can't believe that dogshit clunky ass game is more fun to play than wow jesus fucking christ

FFXIV feels like old WoW, too. Loving it right now.

because swtor was an absolute copy of wow. graphics, gameplay, gear systems, progression, talents. it hasnt changed much but whatever has changed over the years has been for worse. the game is almost dead sadly. and all the changes they did was to reduce complexity and difficulty and challenge. basically make the game easier and more simple. exactly as what wow has done. but in the first years... it was for sure exactly like wow and it felt good because of that reason.

Maybe you're just not an interesting person to talk to

Come back to classic please

The game has been like that for as long as I can remember. Sometimes you get groups that are chatty, other times you don't. Every MMO is like that tbh

@@mckenzieed In my experience with FFXIV, if you talk, or even just say 'hi' or 'o/' in most groups, you get a response, or even a conversation from most if not all of the other 3-7 people; on Primal data center/soon to be Crystal at the very least. I don't know what it is, but WoW groups have been the most silent, or most uncooperative types of mmo parties I've experienced, and this was even as far back as Cata as I remember.

@@Valanway I know what you mean. I actually actively play FFXIV and I know exactly what you are talking about. The exception is console players which there are a ton of. But FFXIV still has a lot of toxic players. Especially those mentors. I don't know why but when I see a crown, they never seem helpful. Just crap responses like "s l o p p y" or " you suck" etc. With no explanation to what they were doing wrong.

I appreciate it...thanks for watching!

Longest I've been unrubbed in any expansion when I haven't formally decided to quit for a period. I think this expansion is much below average.

@@roberttg3767 unrubbed. Lol :p

I'm glad you said it. People are saying how "Not even close to as bad as WoD" and I disagree. At least WoD had good class design for the most part. And Blackrock Foundry was the shit.

Atleast with BFA, after i quitted in December I actually felt like coming back in early march and i’m having a good time with it now for the most part, I stopped with WoD by the time the second half of 2015 came around and never once thought about coming back, even my subscription expired when I decided to play with my brothers mid 2016.

@@roberttg3767 i too have found their rubbing lack luster.

They work too far in advance for that to happen. Maybe in the expansion after the next.

Blizzard knows who they are trying to go after and it’s not us. Retail will never be the same. Classic is the last hope.

The release of Classic servers is really telling of the current state of WoW. The game is so broken and unplayable that Blizz are willing to regress 15 years to its early years to get people to renew their subscription. Vanilla WoW is great, don't get me wrong, but the fact that people are more excited for a 15 year old game they've already played instead of the next WoW patch or expansion is pretty sad.

@@VictusPrime Sad for the company, not for the players. Some of us have been telling Blizzard to stop with the horrible changes for years, and that was just on the PvP side of things.

@@VictusPrime There is a classic team working on it but Blizzard didn't wanted to really do this, Nostalrius brought up huge demand for it.. modern Blizz thinks that they are doing well with modern WoW design - but who is in modern Blizz? For sure not the develepers from vanilla-wotlk era

You quit during the best expansion of all of WoW - TBC? Damn! Well, at least you will be back for the best version of the game soon.

Allied races pretty much saved wow. But it maybe a bandage on a much bigger problem.

Allied races had potential to be so much greater than they are though. For however nice they are, all we have are just reskins of other races. Even the upcoming fish people are only humanoid because Blizz didn't want to bother figuring out how armor works on murlocs. If every new allied race is a reskin of a current race or a slightly altered model, then by my measurements the system failed. We could have gotten a playable faction of naga rebels, murlocs, tuskar, ect.

The new elite gear looks so traaash i love the faction theme to them but id like class theme with faction aspect

ludhez easy games are ALWAYS bad.

I guess I can see that now but back then I was mad at TBC. I was having fun with joining a guild, doing end-game raids, etc. Along came TBC and I was immediately bored from doing quests again; it was like starting from level 1 all over. That, and your purples were replaced with greens. Grrrr. And finally, I was on the fence with the cross-faction classes. As a Horde player, I dabbled a little with a Pally and thought they were kinda neat but didn't want them coming to BEs. I made one anyway XD. Looking back, I wish I stuck with it like my friends did but other factors played in it too like time-wise, work, etc. XD 8/ /Rant

Me2 Hell, I dont see why people like vanilla so much...its not better.

@@Djuntas Vanilla is better than retail, and TBC is better than Vanilla. I'll take what I can get

@@Buttsmoker wotlk was the best. TBC was fun in some regards. I mean I played TBC for arena mostly. WotLK I did raids and arena.

@@Buttsmoker I mean I did do raids in BC... but I didn't do Kaelthas and then there was that other raid at the end I didn't do that one either. I did all the others. BC was pretty ok.

Blizzard hasnt fixed any of their games and they keep dumbing them down and ruining them Its quite obvious blizzard is being a shit company their original philosophy was: Gameplay First. they dont even follow that anymore because all they care about is money

True, but i loved it the most at the end. Had a blast in Antorus

I stopped during cata also...even the change to Wrath was significant , a different "feel", but was mostly more "refined" wow. Cata it started off on a distinct tangent.

Cata is where I put the break between "old WoW" and "new WoW", or "good WoW" vs "bad WoW"

Ehh idk, i feel like people shit on mop too much for how good the content in that expac was, Ik its not old wow but it was still a very fun expansion with tons of content.

I mean to you it may be, but some of us who dont have a lot of time find entertaining aspects to every expansion

Except bfa

It's still up and running, and doing mostly fine. Had a bit of resurge with their recent "legendary" servers and there's lots of people running around. :) Oh, and the community is still great.

"Classic is what we're waiting for" because the modern game sucks donkey ass.

It is funny people are waiting to turn back time lol, but WoW was so much better back then.

It really wasn't tho. Don't get me wrong: I loved Classic when it was current... but it was honestly kind of a shitshow.

Well said, and the really sad part is: Some simple (public) testing would have revealed that having to re-grind previous unlocked Azerite traits feels incredibly shitty and unrewarding. And Island Expeditions had soooo much potential, the amount of really crazy, fun events and rewards they could have added . . . like a ton of Hozen pirates suddenly spawning and throwing barrels that you can jump on (like the Stormstout Brewery start) - or a crazy treasue hunt where you get tons of dubloons for digging in different locations.

@@Nr4747 See, right there you came up with two ideas that are better than what that Island expedition team came up with. treasure hunts? Yes. Crazy fun with drunk Hozen pirates? Where do I sign up?