Here is my theory for the current collective. Guinan said the Borg are millions of years old, but in VOY the Vaadwaur said the Borg only ruled a few systems a few hundred years ago. If both statements are to be correct, then something must have happened to the Borg. Most likely, a galactic alliance almost annihilates the Borg over and over again. Then the Borg regain strength. And so on. (The Borg also have gaps in their history records, which supports the theory.) What if the last time there was too little Borg to form a stable collective? Instead, a queen was created to act as the stabilizing center of the collective. The queen would then indeed be the collective itself, even though she is an individual.

I think the word you were looking for was 'parochial'.

Borg scary race of aliens

Thx for the spoiler time stamp mate. Gunna order this book now.

I have heard there is an idea that the Borg occured several times. Each time the Borg are the result of a Civilization accidentaly going down the wrong path with nanotechnology.

Love this

The borg queen could fit in with your idea. The queen could have started out as a safety protocol, in case the collective become to cohesive, and they lost their individualism but the queen becomes corrupted and instead just order the hive around like her own army. No longer even caring about the individuals of the hive mind. May be this even happen through assimilation where they assimilated a species where a queen did order around a hive.

Was just thinking the same. Might not be a super fantastic origin. But much more realistic.

I came to make this exact post. Good job.

Yeah this. I always liked the idea of it being some iterative evolution of a race's technology and philosophy being used with the best of intentions culmination into this galactic nightmare.

Honestly this makes the most sense.

Vger , and the Borg are two different things.

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The Borg were an offshoot of the Cylons that went wrong!!

It would include the Doomsday Machine from ST:TOS. That episode said that machine was a prototype of a larger machine built to fight a deadly enemy.

I really, really like that idea! Unfortunately for us, the current custodians of Star Trek have neither the imagination nor the inspiration to come up with an idea like this.

@@geraldstephens6612 "Vendetta" by Peter David does cover this. It is a TNG/Borg novel with Picard and the Doomsday Machine.

You can do it just don't call it star trek

Oh yeah it's utterly chilling to read :)

Agreed. And sorry. But it's always going to be the canon origin of the Borg for me. Even if I thought the resolution of the trilogy weaker, it's a great story and an inspired origin concept.

@@RowanJColeman i havnt read the books yet but il order them in.... can you tell me why or when the pursuit for perfection started.. like mow im wondering when did morals go out the window... the maco assimiliation was an act of desperstion but moving forward.... for the an original new idea id like the borg to be something which started off as an act of survival, i mean one whole planet who realise they cnt procreate anymore... something similiar to the asgard from sg1... they delved in cloning which over time was failing so they incorporated machine and organic bodies to survive.... they would have an ai which would control the central hub.... they have a central hub where the mind gets downloaded... the ai would then put each mind into a body.... but they failed to realise in doing so the ai and millions of individual personalities overwhelmed the ai... they started to die out one by one due to the ai not coping... to stop their deaths the ai would numb the personalities to stop individual thought an emotions... imagine the ai being similiar to guilty spark in halo... itd wanted the best for its creator. but in doing so created the borg.... now goin from her the ai would change....it would have the traits of its creators which warped its logic circuits.... the ai would then seek out knowledge to free its creators and return individuality back to them, but this would not work... so the the ai and borg are on a everlasting quest for new technology to gain new knowledge.... the ai does not have a physical body... so it would use its creators numbd out drone bodies to assimilate new aliens into it,,, but the information isnt quite right, so the ai would use the new aliens out in space to seek more aliens.... basically its a snowball effect... so now over centuries there would be 100s if not thousands of different species turned into drones seeking out knowledge or perfection... the idea of perfection and bring order to chaos is silly in my opinion but we have tng an first contact canon suggesting this line of thinking... they really should not have given the borg a queen,, it devalues them.. but were stuck with that idea.... so guess my origin theory is in the bin lol

It honestly feels disappointing to me

Exactly. But it is inevitable. As we advance further, we'll realise that the hivemind is the way of perfection. Resistance is futile.

@@jyothishkumar3098 I don't know if you are joking or a plain idiot. You like fun and happiness right? There is no place for that in the hivemind. I want to destroy all technology because of blind statements like that. It is not inevitable. The solution would be to just NOT DO IT. Ahaa ^^

E'Musk

But what about Zuckerberg's Meta?

Well said

Yup. This is why villain origin stories are so frequently negative for the overall lore. They deflate the power of that villain.

Indeed , the moment we foubd ou they had a leader/ queen they where less scary

We can always use our imaginations....and that is scary enough!

@@Aleksandar6ix they can also use your imagination, resistance in futile.

They are us. Picard explains progress in this clip: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eLB1dLZ43biZqas.html It's the same reason for which we fear the Borg.

You must have an... _unusual..._ definition of civilization. _Voyager_ is set in the 24th century; we're in the 21st century now. That's more than 2000 years just on the current calendar, and civilization goes back thousands of years before that.

On the scales of civilization, 900 years isn't that far apart. It'd be pretty similar to the Spaniards and English coming over to the Americas and meeting the Native Americans.

@@scarling9367 Well, i assume by " minor power" they meant the borg were either warp capable at that time or headed that way technologically. In this case, 900 years is really, really a long time to develop and assimilate. See for example Earth when they first met the Vulcans, a few hundred years later, with the Federation at it's peak, things evolved drastically. Now imagine the Federation expanding for another 600 years or so..

@@thevividend From where we're standing, yes, it'll seem like a big difference. Going back to scale though, cultures and civilizations with a 1000 years of technological difference have met each other right here on Earth. It's not without precedent.

Well put

One of my main gripes about ST is how human-centric it is. Really drives me up the wall. However, I didn't mind the human connection in Destiny as, while it wasn't stated outright, it would make the Borg's obsession with humanity make more sense. I hate how the Borg single out humanity, but with Destiny, I viewed it as the Borg recognizing some of who they used to be and it kind of driving them crazy, even if they didn't know why.

God forgive me but Jesus Christ! That sounds absolutely awful and the queen species wasn't human or from the alpha quadrant so that makes even less sense. Thank God that didn't happen. I will say for a pretty bad series I think the Enterprise finale was absolutely brutal and they deserved so much more!

That was one possible story thread not guaranteed. But we know from the Voyager episode "Dragon's Teeth" that the Borg existed LONG before that. The Vadwaur recognized Seven as Borg yet they were in stasis for 900 years. They also made mention that the Borg greatly expanded their territory in that span. BUT there was a "dark time" when much of the Borg's knowledge was lost (unknown cause).

That sounds really bad imo.

I think no one knows when they started and have no idea how. No nearby space faring and trading races survived the initial expansion, and the Borg after all this time probably don't remember, either because it was unimportant or dangerous and it was purged, or because of corruption of the data.

7 of 9 was only on 4 seasons I think.

@@ynkybomber Right you are, lol, but I think my point still stands :)

Nurse Chapel isn't Lawxana Troi's aunt. However she is "Number One's" sister.

Number One, Nurse Chapel, Lawxana Troi are all one creature who changes her species and her identity over the years.

I agree with AlmostSwedish... enjoyable format.

As you do 😉🤘🏻

same here

@Kaagh178 Understand something called inference. Yes, some have been given origins. But do I need them? Np. Tha was the point.

@Kaagh178 Nope. Even Mumm-Ra got an origin. There's a comic that reveals he was an Egyptian high priest who sold his soul to the Ancient Spirits of Evil for immortality and power.

Lazy writing. No origin story means lack of creativity. Nothing can just be. Everything has to come from somewhere or something.

It was "over 82 AU"

You mean lazy writing? That's just as bad as jj's mystery box.

JJ has nothing to do with the artifact in Picard tho…

Superb comment , had a lengthy chuckle to it.

I second that, giggled so hard milk came out my nose.

This is not a bad idea. I still think it's better to leave it unexplained and up to people's imagination. BUT your idea will work with one modification. Let's say, in addition to travelling a great distance through the wormhole, it also sent it back in time. That way the Borg would have more than 300 years.

@@StormsparkPegasus Maybe. In the film they called what it passed through a "black hole", which in the 1970s they confused with wormholes. Even now we're not sure how wormholes work. Some believe they're simply shortcuts to other parts of the universe, but some at least could also be breaches in the space time continuum.

@@white-dragon4424 Exactly...some wormholes in Star Trek have one end shifted in time from the other. Remember the wormhole they used in that one early Voyager episode where they were talking to a Romulan on the other end, and later discovered he was like 30 years in the past? Not all wormholes do that, but the fact that some have been shown to would justify that in-universe.

@@StormsparkPegasus I think I vaguely remember the episode. Even though I have all the box sets it's been a long time since I watched them.

@@white-dragon4424 Yeah...there may be more but that's the main one that comes to mind off the top of my head. Also, the way it was worded in ST:TMP was vague enough to be able to do just about anything with it. They said "Voyager 6 disappeared into what they used to call a black hole".

Ants ARE able to increase their collective intelligence by linking antennae... Queens do NOT direct the colony, though. Just like the Borg Queen shouldn't really exist.

No public knowledge or knowledge among normal starfleet officers it seems, or at least officers on the Enterprise-D. We do know the Hansen went on a mission to track down the Borg in 2353. The Federation Council on Exobiology backed and supported their project. This was over a decade before Picard encounter them. Until at some point they decided to withdraw their support for a unknown reason call the Hansen back, a call they ignored. We also know the Al Alurian knew of the Borg an were assimilated by the Borg. There no reason why they wouldn't inform the Borg of the threat. Especially as the Al Alurians knew of Earth and presumably of the Federation long before they were assimilated. We also know that Sloane in First Contact, shared her experiences of the Borg on the Enterprise E with cochrane. We know this because Captain Archer discover reference to machine people in one of the speeches he gave. So humans have known of the Borg before the Federation came into existence, before we were even sending vessels out to explore. Q just came an told everyone that Borg are coming and showed just how powerful they are, not that they existed. An well the knowledge need to become public in the Federation. An what better way than tell Picard because that guy give speeches, shout and screams until someone listens to him.

We don’t need more Borg stories done to death

I think Star Wars inspired that trend.

@@GODCONVOYPRIME I agree, about the last Investor Day I don't get the need to put so much stories between Ep. III and IV. We already had The Clone Wars, Rebels, Rogue One, Solo and Jedi Fallen Order; now we will have Andor, Bad Batch, maybe Lando (if I got it right) and Obi-Wan Kenobi. We get it, people loved Rogue One (not me) and The Clone Wars (which is actually pretty great, nothing to say against it), move on

To find that Mary Sue is responsible for it all

Damn Daleks they ruin everything

@@obelic71 the ultimate conqueror of the universe the Daleks

@@svenmartin840 Borrrgggggggg borrrrgggggggggg BORGGGGG exterminate exterminate EXTERMINATE

I mean if you go with the capaldi era cybermen it works really well.

I was about to say that.....

The creators of Voyager wanted to create an original character, so they didn’t have to pay or credit the writer of the TNG episode that he first appeared on. Shady af.