her and the eight, the war heroes

Caprica is far better than the angel who impersonated her in Gaius' mind.

Caprica Six had lived among humans, getting to know them in a way her space-bound brethren didn't, so she had much more exposure to them. Exposure to another culture usually helps us learn to know them and to see our similarities as well as our differences, differences we focus on when we don't know the similarities. I think that gave Caprica a better handle on Cylons and Humans alike so she saw how they could be SO similar. She began to sympathize with them after the fall of the Colonies and in a later episode, expresses regret that she did what she did and that she finds it difficult to live with that knowledge.

Living amongst people doesn't have that effect at all. But it is a nice bedtime story for retards who've never done so.

That or she would have left and never come back. She was more than willing to abandon civilian vessels and passengers she could have formed into her own Galactica style convoy before.

He rolled the hard eight.

Admiral Cain would not have allowed settlement of New Caprica-Democracy or not.

@@falcore91 She was a fucking Psycho with none of the Zeal or Panache of Loydd Bridges portray of the living legion

Nah she would have left with Lee she was all about survival. She canabalised a civilian fleet of a few thousand much smaller than the galactica fleet. Letting civilians be abandoned to die. Without doubt shed jump with the 10,000 people in orbit and say au revoir to the people on the planet. Would have meant a civil war between Lee and Bill forces against Cain backed forces in the fleet which would dictate whether the battlestars ever return to evacuate the survivors. Would probably have been fun

That is a great idea. Picard loved archeology so it wouldn't be hard to weave your idea into the lore

That was done once in a star wars EU novel. But yes, it never gets covered enough.

@@gregorymuir1985 And that is why I love the EU.

@@gregorymuir1985 Which one?

Its not that easy - light can dissipate, get warped by substantially massive celestial bodies. Also, a thing called albedo decides, just how much light is reflected. It would definitely will be possible to an extent, should superluminal travel be possible.

Nah chief crashing the pegasus was defo the best un

I mean he was right to argue about leaving everyone behind.

*eyeroll

@M J no, actually the Peg is a straight upgrade in every aspect. Its just that it has zero luck with its commanders. Cain got caught pants down in drydock, barely made it out with a ship not fully crewed and not supplied, then went on a rampage in the colonies, apparently mostly targeting her own allies, then went and died and left the ship to fisk. Whose only commendable action was getting killed. Then they made the egghead the New captain who immediately let The pegasus into an Ambush because YES OF COURSE WE GO ON SEARCH AND RESCUE WITH THE WHOLE FUCKING SHIP instead of, yknow, another raptor. So he dies making sure the pegasus can escape the situation of getting piled on by basestars. Then there is Lee, whose idea of a fight is going full jem'har'dar without delay. Never go full jem'har'dar. In gegeral the whole space part of that rescue was poorly planned.

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 he wanted his dad back. Tbh a great commander like adama was worth the sacrifice, what's the point of having a powerful ship when theres no one skilled enough to run it. Adama proved that by protecting the fleet for years in the Galactica

True. Or at the very least, thought to operate fully manned Battlestars (requiring less than 8% of the population) in order to allow them to protect what they were building.

@@darkjediknight2923 Never thought it about it like that lol, 8% wouldn't be that hard to get for what the job is, in fact in the year they were there they could have had massive recruitment and training drive so that deployments could be done on a rotation and give personnel more R&R time. I think when Adama roasts Lee for being too soft it is also commentary on the military at the time as well, they had become too soft after finding New Caprica, let their guard down and unfortunately paid the price.

@@BojackatronHorsemaniac Not to mention the fact they could have spent that year trying to hammer out the dings in both Battlestars. Plus, they could have put Pegasus' foundries to use and started replacing the Vipers they lost. Imagine both ships having wings of combat ready Mk VIIs ready to go!

Well, it all started with the fact that New Caprica was NOT suitable for colonization. The survivors would eventually die from cold and hunger, if not for Cylons forcing them to run again..

@@seangillanders5580 In this series the military answers to the civilians, so I wouldn't be surprised if the onboard resources of the battlestars were devoted to civilian production, by order of President Me First Baltar. I am surprised that the Cylons didn't move the civilians back to one of the 12 colonies, where it would be logistically simpler to support and defend them. Presumably the Cylons were using the New Caprica colony as bait, though if so they didn't keep nearly enough ships around to ensure success.

.. with a fleet of T-800s

@@bobbiusshadow6985 what about E3Ns or predators

"I shall return"

I like how it's primarily a six episode story arc, but there are two episodes after dealing with a lot of the fallout but it also affects the characters in other ways and there is another episode showing a lot of what happened during the time skip. As opposed to when a sci-fi show is episodic, it wraps up the story in 45 minutes, then doesn't mention it again.

I always thought it was sort of a dumb plot line honestly ha

They keep saying the next one is not a reboot. I believe them. I think they are next going to tell the original story of Kobol.

If they just reboot the last season I would be happy.

Yeah we don’t need a Battlestar Wokactica. Until the culture reforms itself-No reboots please

gets me every time

Cheers. Couldn't understand what she said at the end there.

And ironically Starbuck never ends up fighting because Leoben suddenly developed an obsession that it took three more years to find out how that came about.

yep they wanted to make an analogy to the occupation of Iraq more than making a story that had a sensible progression from beginning to end. In the end, they ended the occupation storyline and it was back to cylons chasing down the humans again.

@@jmnnl2279 , the show's opening had wording explaining the history between the humans and Cylons. It ended with "...and they have a plan." In the beginning, the plan was simple and obvious: eradicate humanity. But when they had the survivors trapped on New Caprica, they began arguing amongst themselves about what to do with the humans. This gave the humans time to come up with their own "plan".

If you watch the Movie The Plan it shows they did have a plan

@@ryans413 Ehhh, not really. "The plan is everybody dies yesterday!"

It was hard to watch, especially considering that the Colonials had mostly been on the offensive since the Pegasus arrived.

Slavers getting a taste of their own medicine, this case. The Haitian revolution was bloody too. But there are no French slavemasters there today.

@@neolexiousneolexian6079 And Haiti is a liberated paradise.

@@Hunpecked I hear their mud cookies are to die for.

It was a difficult, but necessary choice. They'd been sitting idle above the planet since they got there, running with a skeleton crew and going soft from lack of action. They were going up against 5 base ships and hundreds of raiders. The Cylons would have tore through them in no time. They had to run, get themselves fighting fit and then prep to come back to rescue the ones left behind.

The reason was they wanted to do an iraqi occupation story which was incompatible with their prior stated goals. They wanted to show what it was like to be on the side of the suicide bombers resisting occupation, nevermind that suicide attacks against robots is stupid.

Great point. I also wonder why everyone hated Baltar after this, and why everyone was so devastated when the Cylons arrived. It’s not like the humans had created something great. The Cylons didn’t even make things worse for them. Also, why would the Cylons want to be there? What was to gain? Nothing. In fact, it would just be a bummer hanging out with those losers. Would’ve been easier to nuke them, and boogie on after Galactica.

@@gregorymuir1985 Suicide attacks against robots designed to look, and most importantly, feel like humans. Although they were immortal thanks to the ressurection ships, they still feel the pain and trauma of injuries and death. The resistance hoped that the cylons would eventually grow tired of it and leave. The suicide bombings also warned the other humans not to collaborate with the cylons.

@@rinse-esnir4010 the problem is that the cylons original goal was to wipe out all of humanity as they demonstrated in the first episode. Them getting tired of it would likely lead them back to that original objective. They would likely just nuke the place as they left. So a pretty stupid idea on the part of the resistance since there was little incentive for the cylons to leave and keep the humans alive if they bothered them too much.

@@RoninDave Depends on what you would prefer: living in the occupation hell or being nuked. I don't think the humans expected to survive the occupation anyway. Lee even considered never coming back to rescue them.

that would be so perfect for now in the USA.

"Fight em till we can't"

@@SVSky This is the new motto of Ukraine

@@dannythomson5239 :)

Jan Hammer has entered the chat. 😁

If I recall I think this season ended in the fall and I remember season 3 was set for October of the next year. I remember my mom saying what a whole year lol

Good point, but you are looking through this in an early 2020s lens. China wasn't on the radar in the same way in 2005-2006.

The Cylons improving their standard of living would have been a great detail, though I'd argue the part about the Centurion servants must be put away. The Cylons rebelled specifically to avoid becoming slaves again (with the added irony of then creating artificial humans that then just ended up enslaving them again). During the occupation many Cylons would be up in arms about what's the point pampering the humans, their original slavers, when that would be generally perceived as an uncomfortable throwback to the past. I'd think letting the humans care for themselves, but under Cylon supervision, was the compromise all the various Cylon factions came up with to test whether living together with humans was possible, but without making it look like being subservient to them.

Cylons chose him for a reason :)

Just like Brexit.

Toby Townrow how is like brexit?

@@thecoderofyoutube Indeed!

@@GugilusVugilusMagnus Project Fear has become Project Reality.

I have always thought that sacrificing yourself and your command for no other reason than to avoid living as the conquered is stupid. Sure if it helps others escape or something, but once you are dead that is is, game over for you. As long as you are alive there is a chance. One of the reasons I really hate Killmonger's speech at the end of "Black Panther".

@@timmorris2048 I can only agree with that.

@@timmorris2048 I disagree entirely. Better to die free than live as a slave.

I love baltar just because he’s the galaxy’s smartest moron

My favourite character lol

aaand - voting for Biden.

Yet we will one day...

You forgot: Democrats!

@@nonel4515 democrats arnt bullet proof my dude.

@@Demicleas Neither are half the robots Nighthawk mentioned.

⁠@@nonel4515republicans too

Inconceivable!

lets see: Power station: that could probably have been done Brick/mortar housing: I don't know if the fleet had any tools for building structures on the ground If not, they may just not have the tools to do it right now. That and even if they did, they would be in limited availability and unable to provide houses for everyone in the span of just a year (a house takes a few months to build irl) planetary defenses: flat out no. They had no spare guns that would work as a ground to space artillery nor the means to produce them or the ammunition for them (about the only thing they can build is Vipers and maybe battlestar ammo thanks to the Pegasus). That, and if planetary defenses had to be in use, that would mean the two battlestars were insufficient already.. and that means they would be boned planetary defenses or not. That and in the span of just one year.. wouldn't be enough for an effective defense to be built even if they had what they needed on hand. the rivers: its even baffling that they wouldn't go for this

No, because President Baltar had other priorities--he, himself, and him. But, the people voted for him, and that's all that mattered. And they got what they deserved.

@@TommygunNG If I'm not mistaken though, there is an episode with flashbacks which do show a ceremony with President Baltar getting spades into the ground to build the first set of New Caprica City housing projects. Whilst he might have focused on self preservation, he did seem to genuinely care about the survival of humanity and progress. It sounds like a lot of humanity were also lazy and didn't have a sense of urgency (the scene about telling the unions to do some work for a change). I'm not entirely sure why they didn't build the main settlement closer to the river that you see during the Resistance arc either since that looked far more hospitable.

@@darkjediknight2923 He only cared about CYA. Even to the degree he may have practiced some enlightened self-interest, he was still too busy with the far more prominent scenes of wine, women, and song. I recall years ago the mistress of some multi-billionaire Greek guy said she knew his business would collapse because he spent more time on her than on his business. (Literally! She even said she now had back problems as a result.) ---- As for specific scenes: Baltar didn't even devote resources to repairing the Galactica. Recall the scene of Adama walking past sparking open wires.

Add further to that: Power Station: Could use one of the ships and cannibalize it. Only issue is fuel and New Caprica doesn't seems to have much tylium so once the resevres are gone, that would be it. So short term yes, long term no unless they found another sustainable way to make power. Brick/mortar building: Not gonna happen. How many people in the Fleet would have the technical knowledge required to build a house? Assuming you had the resources, you still need people who know about construction, electricians, bricklayers for example. About 30 000 people live in New Caprica City and doubt more than 1% would have the skills and experience needed. Then you gotta pay them, you gotta train new people. Not possible to do it within a year or even 10 years with finite resources. Planetary Defences. They have 2 half-strength Battlestars and that's it. Besides that, the whole point they settled on New Caprica is becaused it was assumed that the Cylons wouldn't be able to find it. Planetary defences would have just been advertising to the voting public that the planet 'could' be detected and hence not as safe or secure as people were lead to believe in the election.

I can't believe he got away with the fact that he gave Gina the nuke lol. It never came up again!

It's not unfortunate, it was a good thing. As RDM pointed out, even the skinniest human waist is still human and has a certain shape to it especially when you plaster over it a metallic costume. By going CG they could make the centurions more menacing by not giving them human proportions. So this was a good use of CGI because it made the centurions feel less human because they weren't constrained by real human anatomy.

@@Jaknize1 I won't argue that the CGI centurions LOOKED GOOD, they did, but as a kid, the way they had shots in the basestars of groups marching around, likely multiple shots of the same eight guys but still, I always had the sense of just vast numbers of Cylons, like in a war of attrition humanity was utterly screwed. I just never got that sense visually in the reboot. With the centurions...they always did a good job of showing absolute swarms of raiders.

I also would have liked more footsoliders, having practical effects while maybe limited visually, are far cheaper and easier to film, Beside I rather like the look of the original soliders anyway. Also miss the "By your command" They used to say alot.

They first decided to maybe not do CGI but they went CGI too make the robots feel more robotic then a human in a suite

Imagine a Cylon and Terminator war

@@ryans413 I honestly think that would be amazing

They were there for a few years

Only one. They settle down on New Caprica and stay for one year before the Cylons arrive, having been one light year away when they detected the nuclear detonation of Cloud 9. The Cylons land and occupy New Caprica for an additional 4 months before the Exodus when Galactica and Pegasus return to evacuate the planet. @@ryans413

So say we all

what bugs me is they already shouldve left when the 6 used a nuke to detonate to suicide. they should know that would alert the cylons.

@@thehantavirus ya lol

@@null643 What Season 2? It was one of the best. Season 3 on the other hand...

@@thehantavirus President Baltar didn't want that.

@@baybarsedturner2 Season 3 went off the rails after the New Caprica/Exodus arc. The gritty realism the show had been known for disappeared with the Pegasus.

Why? The CGI still holds up.

Not true. Season 3 shows Cylon's infected with viral encephalitis. They are vulnerable to certain pathogens

​@@armorofgod1430 The only disease they get was the one that disapeared in history. Such as the flue. Wich is the pathogen they were infected with.

@@kayd6572 viral encephalitis; go back and watch it. They not immune to all human viruses, just highly resistant

@@armorofgod1430 Indeed, not to mention the fact that Anders was an Earth Cylon - almost indistinguishable, biologically, from humans.

Adama's fault for giving a civilian (who could have been a Cylon) a fully functional unguarded nuclear warhead, when all that was needed was a microgram of plutonium. Of course no responsible military commander would do such a thing, but BSG was more about drama than logic.

@@Hunpecked true there was no reason he needed an entire bomb

I believe the Defender was refitted into a civilian ship

Likely a decommissioned first war survivor sold to the private sector, the same way you'd see WWII jeeps sold off.

Raiders

Definitely Raiders.

I remember playing Deadlock a few years back and I always HATED hearing Intel about a Basestar Fleet and it's escorts moving anywhere near one of my fleets. I had two Minervas and a few Rangers as my heavy hitters and I STILL got nervous facing down a Basestar Fleet.

It gets worse. ☹

@@Hunpecked I just finished watching season 3 and I found it fantastic.

@@doctorigp Your mileage may vary. 🙂 How did you like the 4th season?

@@Hunpecked Just finished season 3, I still need to watch season 4. But 3 was definitely worthy of the first two seasons.

@@doctorigp I agree that the third season was "worthy" of the first two, but probably not in the same way. 🙂

Brevet rank, so she could act as X-O. Once out of that billet she goes down to her permanent rank.

@@SVSky Yeah, just looked it up and saw that. Plus, the insignia she's wearing is unique compared to the normal Colonel one.

They all thought they tricked the Cylons they where living on this planet for a few years by this time most the people started making there way down to the planet and living there that’s why the ship is undermanned here.

I believe the context to him saying "I surrender" rather than "we surrender" was that he was placing responsibility for the Colonial's surrender on his shoulders alone.

You could argue with that. However Baltar gave her the nuclear warhead in the first place so he is guilty in that manner as well.

@@TheLandy94 Oh absolutely Baltar was equally guilty if not completely at fault. He gave a Cylon with a death wish a nuclear warhead. How stupid was that, you know?

It´s similar to pretty much any invasion/ occupation in history and the future ;)

"Baltic." I see what you accidentally did there. :P

Technically its the past

Galactica and Pegasus are the only two analogic space Battle ships of the Human fleet. For this reason they survive to EMP Attack .

@@lorenzoliguori6377 cool cool

The show explains that Cylons are extremely capable when it comes to hacking and infiltrating Colonial computer systems. So they avoid all forms of wireless intership communication and stick to hard lines for everything, to minimize the impact a Cylon breach would have.

@@jerod4764 neato

Their ships are deliberately set up to make intrusion from Cylon hacking more difficult.

That's a spinoff, not a reboot. And no, the reimagined series was not just the 80s series 'if the Cylons lost the first war'. Humanity didn't even build the Cylons in the 80s series.

For instance. 4 years later. New Caprica has 3 large power stations, a main "New Caprica City" with brick and mortar housing and leafy suburbs near the rivers. The planet has prospered and Baltar's administration is now announcing a new Security Policy to have rotational service aboard both Battlestars. He is awarding Admiral Adama the "New Caprica Medal of Honour". His re-election bid includes planning expeditions to other areas of the equator to build a second city as well as a National Works Programme to build a 3rd Battlestar. 20 years later, Baltar is reminiscing with retired former Admiral Bill Adama on talk show panel with TV host Maya about the bold bid to settle on a new planet. Baltar comments on the Election contest between retired Colonel Dee Adama, wife of current Fleet Admiral Lee Adama versus the incumbent and reportedly corrupt Gaeta/Zarek administration. Bill Adama is asked what will be a crucial issue in this campaign, and he opines that the Construction of a further 5 Battlestars that Dee has proposed is a good call along with a pledge to provide subsidies for people to have more babies. 50 years later. The New Capricans have now prospered and with electricity widely available, have mastered internal habitats within buildings to counter the inhospitable climate on some areas of the planet. The Fleet has increased to 15 Nova Class Battlestars, the original Galactica, the Pegasus and 5 defensive missile orbital platforms and an Observation space station. The planetary government announces a Space Expedition Force to go and search for Earth to be composed of a new class of Battlestar and a Cloud Nine style ship. Statues of Adama and Baltar have been built.