As a toolmaker who learned about metals I agree that hammered forged barrels a a better choice, move the material rather than remove the material
@daneblackburn613 Жыл бұрын
Just remember the angle of the dangle is directly proportional to the heat of the meat
@johngg25 Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh…. Did my 2nd grade son somehow get access to a KZfaq account. 😂
@gutWrench9mm Жыл бұрын
@@johngg25 no . We need him
@markn.1473 Жыл бұрын
Classic B&B 😂
@divineperspective8940 Жыл бұрын
We used to say this at my old job
@patrickpendergast8988 ай бұрын
Truth
@cameronmccreary4758 Жыл бұрын
The nice thing about hammer forging is the metal is work hardened so the barrel can take the higher pressures.
@xdkosman787 Жыл бұрын
Great news, now that 5.45x39 uppers went way up in price and are extremely hard to find now, Bear Creek needs to make these uppers.
@Gunner-736 ай бұрын
I have use 4 of Bear Creeks barrels, I can damn near put every round so far thru the same hole with the 6.5 Grendel. The 3 x 7.62x39 barrels are all sub moa. No hickups, not ever one.
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal6 ай бұрын
That's awesome to hear!
@chrissheathewoodguy Жыл бұрын
I think I'm up to 6 barrels from this company and they keep on treating me right. Most i can get sub moa @ 100 yards. Very good for a simi auto .
@Robert-S- Жыл бұрын
Really hope you can expand the length and calibers you offer in the CHF barrels soon. I nabbed one of the earlier offerings and have been very pleased with it so far, do wish I had waited a little longer for you to start offering the 1:8 twist, but I have had no issues with the 1:7.
@BuckFoeJiden Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, your chrome lined and/or chrome lined barrel will outlast traditionally/button rifled barrels 3-to-1, however they're typically less accurate. Stainless, Button rifled ARs that are made from quality components and assembled well can hold groups as tight as 0.25" at 100 yards, but expect those groups to open up over time. CHF Chrome Lined barrels typically hold 2-4" groups at 100 yards, but you can expect those groups to remain very consistent. As far as value for your dollar goes, a button rifled 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium barrel is what I go for unless I'm trying to build for precision long range shooting. QPQ coated barrels aren't quite as durable as chrome lined, but generally don't negatively impact accuracy as much. I've been using Bear Creek Arsenal as a source of parts for upper builds that I sell on the side for a while now. While they're a budget friendly company, and aren't my first choice for high quality builds, I have put together a couple of uppers with their barrels and bolts that will hold accuracy with any of the high dollar builds I've done. Their customer service is fantastic as well! Because of how good they've been to me over the years, I always try and use at least one part from them somewhere in every single upper I build, even if it's just a gas tube.
@tyquanwashington.8510 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Would be awesome if you did another video on CHF, chrome lined barrels.
@maritimeus Жыл бұрын
Turbocam's TX4 surface treatment is beating out melonite QPQ for wear resistance - I'm getting it on my AR barrels. It's good for cut, button, or CHF barrels. Easy decision!
@NCHiker1970 Жыл бұрын
This is what I was trying to explain to a friend, just sent him the video.
@TheLordsFriend Жыл бұрын
Bless your business
@murphytoadster98648 ай бұрын
SOLD! I was just about to order a hitman industries barrel but saw this video and now I'm buying bear creak for just 10 bucks more.
@bisleyblackhawk1288 Жыл бұрын
Well done and informative video 👍🤘👍🤘👍🤘👍
@UnknowableAbsolute Жыл бұрын
Hammer Forged is best(imho) but machine for this very expensive, this is why method not so popular
@NortheastSurvival9114 ай бұрын
I just purchased a complete lower and upper for an AR-308. And I must say.... I am thoroughly impressed. The lower is just your standard basic lower. The upper however is a beautiful 416r stainless steel heavy barrel. 20 inches long. When I received the firearm I noticed that there was no machining or tooling marks anywhere. I took it apart and I cleaned and lubricated it thoroughly and then I sat there for about a half hour just working the action around. Then I took it apart clean it and lubricated it once more. And then I took it out. I currently have I don't know somewhere around 400 rounds down range without a single failure in any way shape or form I mean no hiccups whatsoever. And it is maintaining accuracy perfectly. I will definitely be a repeat customer.
@deathtothewageslave Жыл бұрын
Any plans to bring back the chrome lined barrels?
@jadslash8 ай бұрын
Your accent changes every frickin sentence
@bacog85 Жыл бұрын
I go to Bearcreek for all my 2A needs best prices and quality I've found so far. Great products and customer service. Don't know how it took this long for me to stumble upon your YT channel, but definitely sub'ing. Keep yo with the great work.
@adame2706 ай бұрын
If you think bca is the quality you must be new to the firearms world. They make ok plinking guns. I bought 2 and had to modify 1 to make it work.
@nozrep8 ай бұрын
totally unrelated random comment: your accent, sir, fascinates me! First video of yours I have ever watched, and, that is what caught my ear first even before learning this about barrels, which I did not know either. I am hearing bits and pieces of South African English? British English? AND American English? Am I right am I right?😂 But all combined together into your own unique accent!! Well that is personal I suppose. It’s just that, I am always fascinated by language and accents, having a semi-musical background, and so the way in which any person anywhere talks is always catching my ear because, it also lends a window into their personal story and personal history. So therefore I do not mean any disrespect. Just that, you accent fascinated me when I first heard it and I felt compelled to comment!
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal8 ай бұрын
Ricky is originally from South Africa but has lived all over! He has lived in the US for a bit so he is starting to sound like us:)
@douglasfletcher718 Жыл бұрын
So let's talk about rifling. I want a BCA10, but I'm an old cast bullet guy. I make my own lead, tin, nickle slugs and they work great with cut rifling. CHF barreled means polygonal rifling most of the time, and that means no lead because the hills and valleys aren't deep enough to spin and stabilize the bullets going down the bore. They end up shooting lead like a smooth bore and getting tighter from lead deposits which drives up pressure to potentially dangerous levels (like the old exploding glocks.) So what I want to know is : can I get cut rifling? What is the difference in thousandths of an inch between your lands and grooves? CHF is great, but it limits my ammunition choices. That limitsmy decisionto purchase. And, in a shtf apocalypse situation, lead may be all you can find....
@hokehinson59879 ай бұрын
Hammer forged barrels are more popular in Europe. CZ is one company from experience produces hammer forged barrels. Not sure if it is cheaper to produce but they seem to be more stable and have better wear characteristics than cut or button barrels.... Its down to opinion and how much cash one wants to part with. Honestly how many of average folks wear out a barrel from actual use? Most folks either trade or sell give away and move up to another rifle or handgun from boredom or needing to just have something new or keep up with buddies. Back when a rifle, or fowler was a tool that put food on the table daily. It's place was a sacred spot in the home ...over the fireplace mantle. Folks bought the best arm they could afford. Having arms showed their place in society. Today it's more sport and being bling.
@WhiteBoyNick16 ай бұрын
And I love the sport and bling for sure
@rodrigoarcoverde385 Жыл бұрын
Good to know. So Bear Creek makes Cold Hammer Forgged AR15 barrels? When do you start to make it?
@joeyzagari415520 күн бұрын
So is cold hammer forged barrels therefore strengthens toughness, and therefore tempers the metal (I think that’s what he said in video). Does this mean that the tensile strength increases overall. This could imply that cold hammer forged barrels should have longer life but become unstable or drift accuracy as they warm up. Perhaps button rifling work hardens the surface of the rifling as the grooves are cut and now left with a balance transition from high tensile to more ductile steel deeper in the metal underneath the rifling. I have no idea which method is best. I do like the smooth perfection of cold hammer forged.
@realshady16 Жыл бұрын
What are the differences between stainless barrels and other barrels?
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Жыл бұрын
Great question! We will add that to the video list; in the meantime make sure to check out our blog about AR-15 barrels for a quick summary
@buckinthetree1233 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure this method has been well tested and is the preferred method by many high end barrel manufacturers. It seems to me that a cold forged barrel would lend itself to movement when heated up with multiple consecutive rounds being fired. It seems to me that the heat would release stress build up in the steel through cold hammer forging process.
@Louis-op4zj Жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the grain of the steel. And heat treating releases the stresses of the grain. But I'd assume that different forging techniques would still have an impact on grain.
@CaptGus Жыл бұрын
If it good for a fully automatic military rifle, yeah Cold forge hammer is the way to go, but the button rifles are gray with Today’s technology barrel making . most people will never come close to be able to actually shoot as good as the barrels are capable. If you wanna cold, Forchhammer get it but you don’t have to. Maybe one day all barrels be made Cold hammered and we won’t have to worry about it anymore. The most championships have been one with button rifles.
@Sirheater1 Жыл бұрын
@BearCreekAR I purchased the BC-15 AR .300blk out rifle. Tried shooting subs through it, and it hung up ever round shot through the 30 round magazine using sub sonic rounds. I called 6 or 7 times, and left messages with there customer service line. They will not answer there phone or return calls. I figure all I need is a lighter spring so it will properly eject the casings. Expect No service after the purchase for Bear Creek Arsenal.
@patb7723 Жыл бұрын
Don't know if you ever heard back from them but instead of messing with different buffers another way to easily make a 300 blackout run not only supersonic but also subsonics if it doesn't want to fully cycle a new round or eject spent is an adjustable gas block
@thatjackal749 ай бұрын
Was the gun suppressed?
@msquared96058 ай бұрын
Yeah buddy, semi autos aren’t gonna cycle subsonic ammo without a suppressor
@chimayinasniffer5 ай бұрын
I want a hexagon barrel, like the hk p7m10
@codyschaver1200 Жыл бұрын
Can someone please explain to me on how to get a response from this company?!? I've emailed and called many times but can't even get a "f!@# off" response from them!!! This is ridiculous!!!
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that! Someone will be contacting you soon
@chrishanks4869 Жыл бұрын
Any chance y’all make a 6.8 spc upper for next hunting season
@chrissheathewoodguy Жыл бұрын
I wish they did. I love the one i have , but would love to build another with out the crazy barrel prices...
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Жыл бұрын
We discontinued 6.8 SPC in favor of 6.5 Grendel
@spencertruman2004 Жыл бұрын
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal that was the right decision
@birdsoup7778 ай бұрын
Awesome video. I like the Logo.
@johnrussell37557 ай бұрын
thanks you made my day
@magmacoffee Жыл бұрын
That is true if you’re not already dealing very high quality barrel material… you cannot improve something that is already beautifully beautifully foraged from great material… I find the button process gleans more accurate barrels
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA11 ай бұрын
They use a "carbine" (a rifle) to make the rifling? Curious, I'd probably use carbide.
@lyfandeth Жыл бұрын
Your BC15 straight fluted barrel versus spiral fluted, neither mention much about the barrel. Can you tell me more about the barrels, and why one is rated with a much higher MOA and price? Barrel material? Cold forging? Or something else?
@salt-team-six5883 Жыл бұрын
Thanks great video
@wolfhound4449 Жыл бұрын
How tight is your torque on built uppers? I almost broke my bench trying to get the barrel nut off and had to give up when my vice broke
@silvergrizzly316 Жыл бұрын
You got that right brother! My nephews 450 bushmaster was/is so damn tight I never did get it off . You can only twist so much b4 something breaks and I didn't feel like shearing off the lugs on a brand new barrel. Unfrickinbelieveable!!!
@wolfhound4449 Жыл бұрын
@@silvergrizzly316 when the vise broke I tried heat and still didn't get anywhere finally gave up rather than breaking the whole upper just to change a dust cover and paint it another color
@silvergrizzly316 Жыл бұрын
@@wolfhound4449 we did too, applied heat, still no results! Idk who's torque'n these barrel nuts but something needs to change.
@derrickheavener2946 Жыл бұрын
Glad it wasn't just me, lol. Maybe they staked it?
@paulshort5609 Жыл бұрын
@@wolfhound4449 You don't need to remove the barrel to change the dust cover... Search YT .....
@langleyj8199 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, answer to my question.
@zenbdr4 ай бұрын
What is the hole diameter for a 7'62 barrel?Kalashnikov and what are the safe dimensions?
@MabRaty-ec7ij7 ай бұрын
What is the internal diameter of AR-15 barrel before rifling if we rifle by using rifling button?
@bpm990d Жыл бұрын
Interested in a 1/7 20" length HBAR with a Wylde chamber. Seems like all the Wylde chambers are 1/8.
@DasGonz13 Жыл бұрын
So do you own your CHF machines or do you sub contract those barrels out?
@larsonhomeinspection99325 ай бұрын
Chf is the way to. More accurate, harder steel.
@calvinhobbs8910 ай бұрын
Probably a dumb question but do the chf need any break in or good to go out of the box , thanks for your time
@tomasteply19564 ай бұрын
Depends more on the surface treatment inside. If it is chrome lined or nitrited the surface is so hard compered to projectile that chances of lapping the bore are almost zero.
@willthompson90734 ай бұрын
Why is it so hard to find information on hammer forging machines I've been trying and trying to figure out what type of hammer forging machines gun companies use to rifle barrels I'd like to start my own gun company rifling is one of the most difficult processes of making a gun so idk why it's so hard to find this information
@F15ElectricEagle Жыл бұрын
What about the 4th method of barrel rifling: Broaching?
@joeyzagari41553 ай бұрын
Could wire electrical discharge machining (wire-EDM) be of any benefit, or possible, to make rifle barrels, or achieve higher precision tolerances in a trued smooth bore surface before cut or button or CHF?
@1SmokedTurkey121 күн бұрын
It’s possible and regularly done by hobbyists. The only benefit it offers is practicality and ease of application. They are not as good as hammer forged but make rifling possible at home.
@charlesballiet7074Ай бұрын
Its just work hardening the metal its not tempering anything. frankly if they just heat treated the steel it might work even better at least untill the barrel got so hot that it would lose the temper but by that point thermal warping will have caused loss in accuracy
@liggerstuxin1Ай бұрын
Criterion crew?
@TNerdo Жыл бұрын
So forge is good for full auto. Got it
@tom77685 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see BCA do a ar15 a1 clone in a 1/12 twist.
@spencertruman2004 Жыл бұрын
Not for an ar it doesn’t make sense. It shoots a 40 and 55 grain well if that’s what your after. I have a bolt with 1-12 and love it
@kanaancross3177 ай бұрын
I’m taking gun smithing classes right now and am looking at electropolishing. Do you guys do that at all?
@tomschumacher5434 Жыл бұрын
👌🏼
@otter44 Жыл бұрын
How does the button rotate when being forced through the barrel? Is it the same principle as a rifled slug where the cut of the exterior of the button forces it to rotate?
@thetoneknob4493 Жыл бұрын
the button drives itself along, the shape is such that it has to rotate at the desired twist rate, as you push it supper hard it dose all the work its self.
@neutronalchemist3241 Жыл бұрын
Button rifling machines make the barrel rotate at the desired pace as long as the button is pushed in, so to not have any error, but it's not really needed. Due to the elicoidal shape of the grooves, the button auto-rotates as it's pushed into the barrel.
@murphytoadster98648 ай бұрын
Wait nevermind remind... I was under the impression that they cold hammer forged all of their barrels. Im guessing mine is not because they didn't mention what it was made of in the description and it was 75 bucks
@michaell39722 күн бұрын
The button is Carbide, Not carbine, (Carbine is a short rifle), . Hammer forging does not rearrange the molecules. Unless you hit it with a Nuke. It does however realign the grain structure of the steel. Same as in Knife Making. Rearranging the Molecular structure was a myth that persisted for years t suggest that a forged blade was superior to a stock removal blade. It is fully disproven. KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years i the Craft
@michaelshubr40849 ай бұрын
Broach Cut and Button Cut, Hammer Forged is just a cheap way to produce rifling while cutting Costs!
@blackonblack...9244 Жыл бұрын
CHF can withstand FA.
@ronkay1573 Жыл бұрын
Cut rifled barrels more accurate in my experience in centerfires.
@TrapperAaron Жыл бұрын
He seems to use the words carbide and carbine interchangeably
@Rico11b8 ай бұрын
Cut rifling is the most accurate. It also has minimum tool marks and the finish is much more accurate end to end. For precision rifles cut is the only choice.
@Peezy714215 ай бұрын
Daniel Defense would like to disagree with this statement. Their barrels are both CHF AND Chrome lined and are really ACCURATE. Even their gas gun is sub MOA with their CHF Chrome Lined barrels.
@Rico11b5 ай бұрын
@kpperry784 But they can't. Never said other rifling types weren't accurate. For the greatest accuracy potential though, cut rifling IS the choice.
@Peezy714215 ай бұрын
@@Rico11b That’s an interesting claim…when the DD Delta Pro is considered by many as one of the most accurate rifles on the market…and it has a CHF AND Chrome lined barrel. 🤔
@Rico11b5 ай бұрын
@@Peezy71421 I guess we're not talking about the same levels of precision then. Cut is the best, and no others will beat it for precision. No one is shooting anything but Cut rifled barrels in F-Class to 1000 yards. Cut rifled barrels dominate even Benchrest competitions.
@Peezy714215 ай бұрын
@@Rico11b Logical fallacy. The reason why you see more barrels using cut rifling is because that along with button rifling is that they are the most ubiquitous forms of rifle manufacturing. There are very few cold hammer forged setups in the US. The CHF process increases the uniformity and concentricity of the barrel, and they withstand and dissipate heat better due to the metallurgy benefits CHF provides. Lastly the lands and grooves are formed more precisely due to it not being a deleterious process (like being cut). It’s precisely formed around the mandrel which has reverse rifling, from the carbide hammers beating the outside of the barrel. Everything about the CHF process benefits precision. It’s just not as widespread because again there aren’t many machines in the US that feature it.
@NoName-dn8nv5 ай бұрын
Didn't know lgbtqw has a new gun channel
@syndicatehelp1781 Жыл бұрын
Do you sell barrel blanks as well if i want to import in india for my company
@ElsinoreRacer Жыл бұрын
Why are your 300blk barrels 1:8? I have yours at 8.5" and using subs it is a very close thing and depending on ammo, they keyhole (which I try to not think about as I mount a can). Q products are running 1:5. True, some supersonics cut for expansion don't like 5:1 much. So, 1:6 exists but is rare. Maybe BCA sets the trend and standardizes on 1:6 twist? Please?
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! We will pass it on
@cleetismcdougall5425 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got 1/7 and 1/8 twist barrels that shoot good subsonic and supersonic groups. One 10 and one 10.5 Ones an Aero P the other Faxon. That’s pretty much the industry standard if you want to shoot both super/subs. I wouldn’t go below an 8” barrel it’s not worth it.
@ElsinoreRacer Жыл бұрын
@@cleetismcdougall5425 Well, mine does not shoot subs well. Glad yours do, does me no good. I am assuming the difference is your barrel length is giving a higher fps and spin rate. My 300 is intended for home defense (CQB). I want to use it with subs (and can) because in enclosed spaces I want to minimize blast and flash. So, I want/need a shorter barrel. I had a 10.5 and it was too long with the can. I would probably be okay at 1:7 but BCA only offers that at 7.5." Rotational energy is a way to impart more energy into a target without speed it up. The new 6.8 blk is rifled at 1:3 twist. Yes, one in three twist. There ARE 1:5 twist 300blk barrels out there and are golden with subs, a few supers not so happy. Thus my 1:6 suggestion, esp at shorter lengths.
@BlownF1508 ай бұрын
For all practical purposes, all things being equal there is no inherant difference in accuracy between any of these methods. Bullets don't care how the rifling is made, they care about surface finish, consistency, and concentricity. Steyr was one of the early adopters and developers of the rotary CHF process, Ruger was an early US adopter. The main advantage of the CHF process, for the companies that can afford the investment, is high production cost savings. All the claims about accuracy, wear resistance, work hardening, ect. is just marketing babble. A button rifled barrel can be every bit as tough, wear resistant, and accurate as any CHF barrel.
@Mr.shorty44 Жыл бұрын
Are you British or American
@DuneRiderLife Жыл бұрын
Any 7.62x39 CHF barrels coming soon?
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Жыл бұрын
Those are in the works for the future
@virtuaguyverify Жыл бұрын
I just got an email today, 7.62x39 CHF are available now
@DuneRiderLife Жыл бұрын
@@virtuaguyverify lies i just cecked
@virtuaguyverify Жыл бұрын
@@DuneRiderLife got no reason to lie. It's there
@DuneRiderLife Жыл бұрын
@@virtuaguyverify your right just saw it my fault. But there complete uppers. Im just looking for the barrel.
@user-yr5ee9vm9eАй бұрын
if your barrel will shoot in the .1's or .2's sign me up or 1/5 moa
@starling61Ай бұрын
Hammer forged barrels are cheap to manufacture and the least accurate by far of the three methods. They do last a few shots longer.
@alphadogpredators2 ай бұрын
To be fair m240 machine gun barrels are cut rifling..
@dilorenzopiero5162 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍
@zeck8541 Жыл бұрын
Then why don’t you offer hammer forged AR barrels? Don’t expect me to believe that your $80 barrels are hammer forged.
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Жыл бұрын
We do offer cold hammer forged barrels!
@lc5823 ай бұрын
Some of your pronunciation is reminiscent of the south african accent…
@Bear_Creek_Arsenal3 ай бұрын
Ricky is from South Africa. So that's the South African accent you're hearing
@PeasantKing-od5lg2 күн бұрын
Only thing we know for sure is your guns are terrible
@dirkmcmeans6255 ай бұрын
Lose the creep accent and the creep beard, probably...
@Suckmytoes11 Жыл бұрын
Any chance my order will be shipped before Christmas?
@bryanst.martin7134 Жыл бұрын
Here we go adding background music which so much more important than the subject matter. Unsub!
@mwoods5166 Жыл бұрын
Very Karen like behavior. I don't think bca minds you unsubbing! They sell firearms, they aren't depending on youtube for income.
@BuckFoeJiden Жыл бұрын
It must be a miserable existence to get so upset over something as insignificant as background music 🤣
@11binfantryfollowmeus.army95 Жыл бұрын
@@BuckFoeJidenOr to comment about a comment……….
@ZaMonolith1986 Жыл бұрын
@@11binfantryfollowmeus.army95 like you just did? lol
@nikhilatyoutube7 ай бұрын
This music is really a distraction, i agree. Something light won't be bad
@richardmartin32435 ай бұрын
I have looked down the barrel of an Bear Creek AR10 with the 20th stainless steel barrel I don't see no rifling in the barrel I've seen him in the grands in 14's AKSK s's room is in 300 windbacks I don't see one in the Bear Creek AR1020 inch barrel stainless steel where's the rifling at it looks like inside of a pipe no rifling