Tesla Model Y: What I Learned After 50k Miles of Ownership

Tesla Model Y: What I Learned After 50k Miles of Ownership | Review & Impressions

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8 ай бұрын

We took delivery of our Tesla Model Y back in May of 2021. This was our second Model Y as we had originally taken delivery of one of the first 3k Model Y's built back in 2020. When the 7 passenger option started delivering, that is when we switched to the Model Y we have today.
Along with a fresh interior update, the Model Y came with a larger battery. This was of course on top of adding the 7 seat option, which we would use from time to time with multiple adults and our 2 children in the car. This combined with the impressive storage space in the Model Y makes it one of the best cars to consider. Don't just take my word for it, the Model Y was the best selling car of any fuel several times this year, throughout the entire world.
We have surpassed 50k miles on our Tesla Model Y and there is a lot to talk about. In this video I will review the costs, wear and tear, battery degradation, autopilot, FSD, overall pros and cons and wrap it up with final thoughts following this 50k miles.
The hard thing to explain to people is just how much cheaper it is to operate an electric car. Because EV's usually come with a higher price tag than their gas equivalent, it takes a shift in thinking for the average consumer to understand. When factoring in the maintenance and fuel costs, an electric car can save substantial money.
In this last 50k miles, degradation of the battery has been as much on my mind as it is many. That said, the battery has seemed to really settle in at the 10% mark. When I took delivery, the BMS read 79 kWh nominal. At this time, that is now reading 71 kWh nominal. This 10% reduction seems to be pretty good considering that over half of the lifetime charging on this car was on a supercharger.
Autopilot and FSD continue to make progress. The good news is that in this last year, FSD and Autopilot have improved at a much faster rate than the previous year. Phantom braking does still happen, but it is much more rare these days compared to a nearly daily occurrence last year. FSD, while not ready for wide release in my area, has made pretty significant improvements over the last year also.
Overall, this car hits a lot of the marks. It executes in ways that other EV's are not able to. The Model Y is the best balance of price, range, space, performance and comfort. Add on top of that the qualification for the $7,500 EV Tax Credit, this Tesla Model Y is going to be hard to beat. If your budget is somewhere close to the average new car price in America, there is no other car you should be looking at as the Model Y is the BEST all around EV on the road today.
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@tiffanylukianenko29 5 ай бұрын

I just went to a showroom (Nov 14, 23) and I literally watched the sales person pour his iced coffee all over the drivers white seat and clean it up after 2 mins without any stain or wetness left behind. I’m getting the white seats in my model Y

@BeardedTeslaGuy 5 ай бұрын

unbelievably easy to maintain. worth it

@PaulaBrahanCan 3 ай бұрын

I've had white seats for 2.5 years and they look brand new.

@daveparrish7887 28 күн бұрын

For older persons me 69/ wife 72, this car is so enjoyable 2023 Y longer range. Passing weaving trucks on up hill freeway, a joy. Super charger all over the place. Just bought FSD AT $8000, great to have, still some issue at road work areas and other quirks so do have to still pay attention. But on long distance highways, awesome.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 28 күн бұрын

It’s an amazing car

@influentialnobody8960 26 күн бұрын

You should make a video , will be really helpful for older folks

@Dcc357 8 ай бұрын

I’m a mechanic and am tired of all the oil changes, filters we do on me and my wife’s cars. Our Tesla Model 3 is mostly maintenance free, and I can probably find a good used set of tires here at the dealership I work at for free.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Yea, the difference in ownership experience related to maintenance is hard to explain to people that have not owned an EV before.

@Dcc357 8 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuy it’s funny because I used to laugh at these cars. I love almost every bit about that car. It was a gift for my wife when we just got married.

@adampritchard7182 7 ай бұрын

Oil changes are easy compared to how many times you’ll take a Tesla in for service

@ekwh84 7 ай бұрын

@@adampritchard7182which Tesla do you own and how many times have you taken it to the service center? Just curious

@adampritchard7182 7 ай бұрын

4 times for my model y performance for creaks rattles and panel gaps. Sold that after 8 months. 3 times for my wife’s model y long range. And now a front safety restraint system fault trying to schedule that as Tesla cancelled fixing it twice now with no explanation after waiting weeks for appointments.

@777Outrigger 8 ай бұрын

Best ownership video I've seen. Great job. Subscribed.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@ericn3221 7 ай бұрын

You are an absolute natural at this. Flawless delivery and great content. I am seriously considering a new M3P, and decided to watch some Y reviews before deciding.

@FinancialFaiz 5 ай бұрын

When is the Performance M3 coming?

@jerz8289 2 ай бұрын

Just got a brand new Model Y Performance for 42,700, recieved 10k free supercharging miles, and was able to move my FSD at no cost from my 2018 Model 3 Performance.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 2 ай бұрын

Nice!

@gust9464 4 ай бұрын

Great breakdown on this car, especially all the upgrades it received since 2021. I didn’t realize it was that many. 👍🏾

@MrAliouBah 3 ай бұрын

Best video on ownership. Thanks for making it . Appreciate you

@BeardedTeslaGuy 3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@zaidpatel8695 8 ай бұрын

The updates you get for Tesla over the years make it awesome. I have owned several cars in my life. Never got a single update on any of them throughout the ownership.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

yep, and its not just bug fixes. It's legit new features. No other car like it!

@JeffDangel 8 ай бұрын

I get it, but still trying to convince myself to get this car given the depreciation. I would have to keep this for its life (which is?) to make sense. And seeing that list of features that were added it sounds like people who get early builds of each model are the ones who are fascinated with the updates. “Real time traffic” has been a thing for a decade or more, and if I had CarPlay I could choose who’s traffic I wanted to use :)

@asommer518 6 ай бұрын

@@JeffDangel all car depreciate not seeing your point. If it cost? Teslas are dropping in price. Average car (all types) is near 45K now Yep thats high no doubt. The model 3 now starts at a very reasonable $35k.

@donaldbanner2185 5 ай бұрын

@@asommer518 These are TRASH and we all know it ...Depreciation is worse becaus of seams non alignment batts will need replace fo 30K resale plummets ...Get a Lexus!

@david100483 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip on the rear seat wear. I also have the white seats on my 7 seat MYLR and will get them protected. I’ve had the car for over a year now and no stains on the seats! I used the ceramic coat you recommended and they still look great (I have 1 kid but we often drive with other little ones). Thank you again for all of the good info you post! ✌️ 🍻

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Glad to help!

@daehancanada2575 7 ай бұрын

Great review! Combination of an owner and technician points of view!!!

@fortifiedgaze8688 7 ай бұрын

High quality vid, good stuff

@arthurmartinez815 7 ай бұрын

This video was the best I've ever seen, honestly explaining in detail & completely everything you'd want to about Tesla model Y before you buy! I would suggest submitting this video to Tesla. Awesome job! Great Luck to you!

@calmorton4619 7 ай бұрын

Hard to disagree w arthurmartinez. Not merely a tremendous ad for Tesla but for the early EV adopters of any* EVs. Thanks for nudging us in the right direction.

@marcopolo-xj4yw 5 ай бұрын

I’ve had a 2021 Prius XLE for almost 3 years with zero problems of any kind. None. 55mpg average. I think it’s prob the most reliable car ever made. Hard to even consider spending more $$ for inevitable problems.

@benana87 5 ай бұрын

Prius is heavily underrated. My friends a mechanic for the nypd and he swears by them

@Havoc2003414 3 ай бұрын

I’ve owned 3 Prius. One from 2nd 3rd and 4th gen. I had zero issues. I now have a model 3 2022 rwd and I love it. I just have a fear of the maintenance costs or wait times for repairs. Insurance is a bit more expensive but from what I’ve been quoted from various companies a new Prius would have cost me about the same to ensure. Time will tell I guess.

@benana87 3 ай бұрын

@@Havoc2003414 thats really good to know.prius is known for being tanks

@tonymiles89 2 ай бұрын

Great video and review on your Model Y!

@philippesandmeier3736 7 ай бұрын

Excellent, very practical review

@GXDoubleX 8 ай бұрын

Great video! I have a 2021 MYP and have enjoyed every minute of driving it (well, except when I got rear-ended once and spun out on a track another time:P). I think one thing most reviews of Tesla vehicles don't cover enough is just how many new features the car gained over the years through OTA updates. The car is just so much more full featured today compared to two years ago when I took delivery it's hard to appreciate without experiencing it. I now struggle to think of something else I'd like Tesla to add because they pretty much covered most of the bases with updates so far within the limitations of the hardware that exist on my particular car. It's been far and away the favorite car I've owned up to now.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

I compiled all the truly new features that were added since I owned towards the end. 46 new features in 2+ years of ownership

@GXDoubleX 8 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuy yes, that was great. Most reviews of Tesla cars I’ve seen really don’t emphasize the update enough or at all.

@davejohnson6144 8 ай бұрын

I have a MYP but hate the rough bumpy ass ride!!!!

@billybobbob3003 7 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuy THE BEST ELECTRIC CAR TODAY IS TOYOTA RAV4 HYBRID PRIME THEY CANT MAKE ENOUGH JUST LIKE FORD MAVRICK

@Broxty 5 ай бұрын

The maverick is gay as fuck... @@billybobbob3003

@bluedog9935 8 ай бұрын

It’s also a great car for seniors! We love ours and it’s a great road tripper. The charging stops actually make the overall trip more enjoyable and autopilot alleviates the fatigue of a long trip so you don’t feel so wiped out when you get to your destination. We have a 2021 Model Y too and I’ve noticed less phantom braking the last six months or so as well. I’ve been a subscriber since the early days and appreciate all the hard work you’ve done to bring great content to us all. Thanks so much!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

For seniors I could not agree more. I remember when the Y just came out and I’d see older gents getting out of model 3s at chargers and it looked very uncomfortable. Model Y is so much easier to get in and out of

@LJ-jq8og 8 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuy 💯

@LJ-jq8og 8 ай бұрын

Same for me 😊

@BKNew2022 7 ай бұрын

The ride quality is so bad, my daughter gets sick every time on the road trip. My mother also bought a Y and she’s looking to get rid of hers; the car gives her a migraine. I love my Model Y. Tesla is a super cool toy that can accelerate like crazy. But other than that, I can’t recommend it to anyone who’s looking for typical comfort of a normal car.

@bluedog9935 7 ай бұрын

@@BKNew2022 It’s true that the original Y’s ride is not great, but what you’re describing sounds pretty extreme and not normal. Then again, I remember taking my kids to school in a Honda Accord with a bad muffler and both kids complained about having a headache by the time I got them to school, so I understand. In terms of ride quality, I’d rate it a 7 for the size and weight that the Y is. And for $50K it really should be better but without an air suspension, they’ll need some engineering magic. Fortunately there are a lot more options out there now and more on the way. Good luck!

@zarkmuckerberg2458 7 ай бұрын

This video/review was incredible

@pjprachyabrued9855 8 ай бұрын

Great review. Thanks!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Cheers

@denveroilers9458 8 ай бұрын

I did the math on my RAV4, with my mileage and services it will take 12 years for cost parity with the modelY, so not exactly cheaper to own a Tesla. This does not include the cost of insurance, I was shocked how much more Tesla was to insure.

@Ughthisagain 8 ай бұрын

The killer here in Illinois and guessing other states is registration cost. It’s double a ICE car. And can’t get custom or sports/hobby support plates for EV car maybe they will figure it out eventually

@jamesavakian4977 8 ай бұрын

My son received 4000 dollar credit in June from work and will receive a 7500 dollar credit in January The Rav 4 limited are selling for 46000 so the cost parity is only 6 months. You can buy a new model Y today for 47000 . without the tax credits. I suppose you could save more money with a motorcycle

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

make sure you also factor in the tax credit that is now available for the Y that was not available back then

@denveroilers9458 7 ай бұрын

@@jamesavakian4977 I'm in Alberta Canada and I have tax credit included, extra cost in tires for Model Y nullifies my cost of oil changes after my free oil changes run out.I can't add in mechanical breakdowns for the Rav4 no more than you can the Model Y, I know you will all say the don't break down, well some owners have been having to pay almost $4000 for a new heating system(heat pump, octovalve ,etc)

@mrxman581 7 ай бұрын

@jamesavakian4977 Yeah, that's only due to politics and the law changing recently which now eliminates other EVs from getting the federal tax credit that used to get it. Including cars like the Rav4 Prime. Hopefully, the law will change again to reinstate the other foreign made EVs. Some of which are superior to Teslas. Give American buyers a level playing field to purchase the best car

@Flickerbrain 7 ай бұрын

Great review! We are thinking about getting the VW ID Buzz but it is around 20k more than the Model Y, Buzz doesn't have 4WD and the Model Y has more space and is way more efficient. Great to hear an honest opinion what it is like to live with a Model Y, thanks for that!

@juliotorres6868 5 ай бұрын

Good job, keep this good work, love the graphics with numbers, I’d wish every reviewer would have this approach

@BeardedTeslaGuy 5 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

@dieuworld6670 Ай бұрын

Amazing review thank you for taking the time to do it 🙏🏾

@BeardedTeslaGuy Ай бұрын

My pleasure!!

@civwar64bob77 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great review! I've had my white Y/LR for 5 months (my first BEV). I love the car. My only complaint is all the bugs on the front after road tripping! Also, as a new owner, there were a bunch of unexpected small costs for me: Floor mats (didn't come with in NY), mud guards, portable tire inflator, screen protector, microfiber towels (to hand wash those bugs off!). And for emergencies: CCS adapter, lift pucks, tire patch kit. No spare tire crossing fingers. I've only been charging at 120V household current (which is working fine so far, but others my have to spend a few thousand for Lvl 2 charger install). Also I haven't put any PPF wrap on the car to protect the "soft paint" (which also costs a few thousand). Still, it's a wonderful car.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Yea the front end of the car is a massive “flat” painted surface that demolishes all the bugs. Other cars have a big plastic grill instead of paint

@MrCountrycuz 7 ай бұрын

Can’t you get a 220 outlet installed? You have 220 for your dryer.

@civwar64bob77 7 ай бұрын

@@MrCountrycuz I put in a Splitvolt 2 weeks ago so now I'm charging much faster. $230 on sale for the 10-30 model (plus $$ to buy an extension cord to the Tesla, plus 10-30 adapter). Brand new EV owners need to factor in this also. I'd bet most don't know about the Splitvolt--I only learned about it recently.

@fpartidafpartida 7 ай бұрын

Please do not get rid of this vehicle. Keep throwing miles on it. Would love to see the battery degradation after 120K miles. Actually, would love to see how many miles you can throw on it before it needs a battery replacement. Even then a video on getting a refurbished battery replacement would be super cool to see and then seeing how many miles a refurbished battery would last you would also be an interesting vid.

@benana87 5 ай бұрын

Great points. As promising as tesla has been, battery replacement and customer service makes me curious

@Secretsquirrel27 3 ай бұрын

Have 289k on my 2013 model s. Original battery. still holds a charge just fine with no issues.

@wiredspeaker5658 3 ай бұрын

@@Secretsquirrel27% degradation?

@user-fq3ox6ir9q 3 ай бұрын

@@Secretsquirrel27 Whats the battery degradation?

@Secretsquirrel27 3 ай бұрын

@@user-fq3ox6ir9q I’m still holding at 96% integrity

@StevenGresser 8 ай бұрын

Great video. Thanks for the info. I recognized some of the areas in the driving footage as I have driven basically every highway and back road in central Florida for my job so that was cool.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

hahaha

@rayredmond8205 6 ай бұрын

Great video very informative...

@BeardedTeslaGuy 6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@grocerylist 8 ай бұрын

After just barely over 500 miles on my wife's 2023 MY, I'd never be able to recommend anyone buy an electric car from Tesla. The main reason is that in August we were involved in a non at fault accident while sitting at a stop light. We only had the car 10 days and now it's not driveable. The problem is that in the Seattle area in a 200 mile range there are no Tesla certified collision centers available to start repairs until May 2024. So we won't be able to drive our Tesla for 9 months, not including the time it'd take to make necessary repairs. I knew in the past Tesla had part availability issues but had no idea that collision centers were so backed up. Everyone I called in WA, OR, ID and BC Canada said they had a queue of over 200 Teslas in line for collision repairs! I don't care if the car is good, if you get in a minor accident and then can't get your vehicle fixed potentially 10+ months, it's simply not worth the risk to own one. I blame Tesla for this because they force you to use certified collision centers, otherwise apparently you could lose your warranty. In doing so, Tesla should make sure adequate collision centers are trained/certified to meet demand and that necessary parts are available to complete repairs. Unfortunately I believe Tesla cares more about selling vehicles than keeping existing customers satisfied. In the meantime our MY sits in the garage until May 2024 and we get to keep making payments on a car that we can't drive until well into 2024.

@mini2nut67 8 ай бұрын

And Tesla doesn’t license others to make parts. Yes, you are basically screwed because Tesla has a 100% monopoly on their parts.

@Dcc357 8 ай бұрын

Your case of an accident sucks. If the accident was bad enough though, the batteries could have caught fire and your car insurance or GAP insurance would have kicked in on the spot. That way you get another one (which would probably not be your choice again lol)

@grocerylist 8 ай бұрын

@@Dcc357 actually I wish that would have happened, I'd rather it have been totalled so I could buy another car that's not a Tesla. Now I have to deal with diminished value and be fearful driving over the lifetime of this vehicle of someone else running into me again and not having my car again for nearly a year.

@Fanta.... 8 ай бұрын

Im sure he will find time to get more service centers once hes finished denying ukrainians the ability to defend themselves from russians bombing their civillians in the black sea. just hang tight buddy, uncle elmo is a bit tied up.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

It's hard to find repair availability for collision anywhere right now. Of course it's even harder with a certified Tesla body shop. But the benefit is that you are cruising around in the safest car on the road

@roosty04 8 ай бұрын

Great content thanks for sharing! I just purchased a model 3 long range this past August with white interior so I’m always looking for videos on reliability. I look forward to seeing more of your videos. ✌️

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Cheers

@tallbrownie8109 6 ай бұрын

Excellent review

@BeardedTeslaGuy 6 ай бұрын

Thank you kindly

@laplena1727 4 күн бұрын

Just pulled the trigger on the Y, AWD with the 7-seat configuration yesterday. With the decrease in price and ridiculously low financing rate, it was just hard to pass. Hadn't even seen this video yet, but glad that people like you have done some analysis on the benefit/cost analysis for a considerable amount of time, so I thank you for that! I have family that lives in Orlando and I have to say, Teslas are not very common out there, as much as they are out here in California (I live in Sa Diego). Subscribed, and looking forward to seeing more informative content. Again, much appreciated! (Cute babies, BTW. They remind me so much of my boys that are 4 and almost 3).

@aquint5554 7 ай бұрын

Cost of ownership makes sense. Cost of entry, still looking at about 15k saved on a gas variant of the Rav4 (gas would be better on the hybrid trim). I think many ppl get hung up with the idea that also you don't get a tax credit if you don't owe money to the IRS. If you're a person that constantly switches cars, getting an EV is pretty much a mute point. It's probably why you see a lot of used EVs in the market today and they have a significant depreciation value compared to hybrids/gas powered vehicles

@OCOutdoorsman 8 ай бұрын

Excellent review; we picked up our model Y in May and it’s performed flawlessly. I love auto pilot and use it all the time when I’m stuck in traffic; I actually look forward to driving long distances now!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

yea, long distance travel is nothing in a Tesla.

@OCOutdoorsman 8 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuyHow are you liking your Model X?

@harrytobiassen5214 7 ай бұрын

Phantom breaking ? or assigned speed limits were there never were? Zig Zig Ziggy flames indicating your proximity to something? I've had mine since March and they have a long way to go. I'm not totally impressed. My 2017 RAV4 parking backing up puts Tesla to shame. Bird's eye view gives an actual picture around the car. Having said that oh, it's great on the road at night when you're driving alone and in auto-steer. Voice commands are still terrible. It doesn't recognize me when I'm leaning against the car with my phone in the pocket. Don't you just love the rain gutters and the way they keep the water out of the car ... oh wait! I meant in the car. Run to your car and a torrential rainstorm and get right in? Not a chance you are soaked! Shall I go on?

@jebes909090 6 ай бұрын

You guys act like this is special but new cars SHOULD NOT have issues😅 all new cars should basically be headache free for the first 5 years or so. They are literally designed that way. Then they are designed to fall apart. Keep in mind that 100% of model ys are less than 4 years old. They started being delivered in march 2020.

@marcelsilveira1117 8 ай бұрын

Great video!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@teenguyen4124 5 ай бұрын

Wow what a great video! U are the best thank u❤

@BeardedTeslaGuy 5 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@rhuynh 8 ай бұрын

Another excellent video from you! Well done, well produced with great data! You are one of the best. Feels most Tesla channels are all about clickbait and taking forever to get to the punchline. Not yours

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Appreciate you

@OMGWTFLOLSMH 7 ай бұрын

Excellent review/video. I wish you would have stated why the windshield needed replacing 3 times, especially in Florida. Stones? Debris? Stress cracks/defects?, etc.

@teslashawn 8 ай бұрын

Another great informative video 🤙

@JonathanRootD 8 ай бұрын

Infomercial*

@belavet 8 ай бұрын

I don't think he's paid by tesla to do any of this...@@JonathanRootD

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Appreciate it, and just like EVERYONE ELSE, no I am not paid by Tesla. Tesla doesn’t pay anyone to push their stuff

@eclipsegsx96 8 ай бұрын

Great video! You should have 100k more followers

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Hope to be there soon!

@amitagarwal2 7 ай бұрын

You didn’t talk about insurance?

@mythicallegendary3992 21 күн бұрын

Maitanance isn’t horrible if you go with Tesla insurance. However I’m in SC and my insurance for the car (pretty basic but it does cover everything) is around $320 per month. (My 2017 ford fusion was $140 a month with the same insurance company) Wanted to edit because I forgot I got a quote from progressive as well, they quoted me $180 for a minimum quote that I feel most people use.

@skuvakid 8 ай бұрын

I also have 7 seater and have used it several times with all 7 passengers. What I do is leave the Trunk blackout cover on so heat does not enter and point middle air vents up towards the roof/back. We are in Puerto Rico and temp gets to 100 easily. With this method I’ve felt cold in 3rd row with Ac at 70 degrees.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Good tip thanks for sharing

@rossgeller729 7 ай бұрын

This car is nicely glued together!

@mrxman581 7 ай бұрын

LOL, but kind of true. And, even then, not so nicely.

@restinbeats9755 7 ай бұрын

Good car review❤ I picked up my Model Y two months ago 🎉

@gregorysims3697 8 ай бұрын

You do consistently excellent videos. I have had a 3, Y and X. My biggest problem (so far) was with the Y, when the power steering just died. Car had to be towed on a flatbed truck. But Tesla paid for everything and loaned me a Model S during repairs. They even brought my Y out from Schaumburg so I didn't have to drive in and get it. Loaning me the S was brilliant as I later bought an X because of the great features -- air suspension, chilled seats, power doors, remarkable sound system, two extra screens, three years free supercharging and three months free FSD. I have love all of my Teslas, and can't imagine buying anything else -- unless my X starts having major problems.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience. The weak point on these Teslas is the 12v battery. That can shut down the car completely. Tesla finally moved to a Lithium replacement a couple years ago

@qman66 8 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuywhen the 12v eventually dies will they replace it with the same old one or give you the new lithium one that new cars come with?

@ratukamina 7 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuy Speaking of the new 16v lithium battery that's on my 2023 Model Y LR 7 seater with less than 6K miles and the car sitting on my driveway with battery at 77% that 16v battery drained itself completely and the car shutdown and remained locked couldnt use phone key or key card to gain access. Had to use jump starter to open the frunk using the wires under the round cap on the bumper. Car booted up and I checked in service mode the low voltage battery was 0% and being charged rapidly fast by the high voltage pack. Tesla fixed it by replacing high voltage controller and two weeks later it died again with battery at 74%. It's at the service center right now and I have a loaner model Y for the first time. This car has been in service for other minor things 5 times (I only got uber credits instead of loaner vehicle) and one of those times the main controller was replaced to get the USB C ports in the 3rd row working since it was dead from the factory and mobile service couldn't fix it by replacing the ports. Now I've started the lemon law process and thinking what to get next. Even if you get a perfect Tesla from factory what will be the cost of these controllers etc once out of warranty is my concern.

@ROMTHIRTY 8 ай бұрын

This video is so good it makes me want to go buy one! And I already own one! haha. I love my Model Y

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Haha thanks!

@rahrjiyanin8072 5 ай бұрын

Beautiful video

@BeardedTeslaGuy 5 ай бұрын

Thank you

@SANTIAGOSANCHEZ-yw3pd 7 ай бұрын

Good information…Thank you we own a M3LR

@BobbieGWhiz 8 ай бұрын

My base model 3 RWD on inventory in June 2023 cost me $32,100 including fed-$7500 and state (CT-$2250) incentives. Inventory cars are even cheaper now. Add a trade in of a 2012 Forester with 108,000 miles ~$7500 and my final cost was slightly less than $25k.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Wow congrats!

@wranglerlife4ever42 7 ай бұрын

You should also add a chart that shows the cost of the Model Y you have vs the cost of the RAV4 you are comparing it to. If the RAV4 (non hybrid) was $35k and the Model Y you have was $56k then the cost to own/operate/maintain would still be well in favor of the RAV4. After 150,000 miles the Tesla might start to pull ahead. Now, factor in the $7500 tax credit and it becomes even closer and might be a wash closer to 100,000 miles.

@zzzfan5299 5 ай бұрын

Also worth adding the residual values, which would be the true cost if you sell them both at the same year with the same mileage.

@tomsullivan2907 8 ай бұрын

Just ordered the Spigen Seat Belt Guide, good call thanks for sharing.

@Fanta.... 8 ай бұрын

just be aware, there will be more slack in an accident, which will mean the inertial reel lock on the seatbelt will engage in a bit looser position.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Welcome

@saulziv 7 ай бұрын

Exsalant and helpful video. I will love to know what tires you are using for extra and what rim protection you have on? Thanks again

@susan3831 7 ай бұрын

Great video. I like that you get deep into the details. I saw you compared charging vs gas and maintenance between a Tesla model Y and a Rav 4. One variable (I may have missed it) is the price of difference. In 2023, the base price Tesla model Y is $43,900 (non-negotiable) and a RAV4 is $27,975 (negotiable). I believe the RAV4 will have a smaller battery cost:)

@kevinc2332 7 ай бұрын

Yes. People forget to add the total cost of the vehicle + maintenance.

@minogoda 7 ай бұрын

Maybe its not a great deal in all states. Here in NJ, u get 4k off if the price is under 45k and zero sales tax on EVs. Add that to the federal tax credit of 7500. Now the car is 31,500 with no sales tax and you are getting a car with waaaayyy more features than a rav4.

@kevinc2332 7 ай бұрын

@@minogodawhich may be true. But will a model y last 15 years? Then you’ll have to buy another car.

@colingenge9999 7 ай бұрын

@@kevinc2332Model Y should easily top 20 years. Range reduction is greatest in first 50,000 after that it becomes less by about half so at 15 years you’ll still be usable.

@aeneas116116 5 ай бұрын

My local Toyota dealership is selling Rav4s for 46k not including tax, title, doc fees, and other mark ups

@colingenge9999 7 ай бұрын

#1 no cost tip: from Toybox, set up Rainbow Road, click always. Often AP will be off when I think it’s on leading to dangerous situations because it’s SO hard to see that tiny blue icon but Rainbow road cannot be missed even if you’re looking sideways. #2 phantom braking. Always keep your foot touching the accelerator which will over-ride phantom braking with a blip of the accelerator.

@samerabdallah82 7 ай бұрын

I purchased a pre-owned Tesla via the official Tesla website, but when it arrived, I noticed it was quite dirty, and there were paint chips all over the car, likely from its previous owner in a Texan farm area. I was surprised by the condition because I expected better from a Tesla website purchase. Nevertheless, after bringing it to Arizona, I took the time to restore it, and now it looks as good as a brand-new Model Y. I admire how well you maintain your vehicle; I wish the previous owner of mine had been as diligent as you are.

@PC-ut9rt 5 ай бұрын

I’m in the Clermont area as well. I recently visited the newly built service center and had a great experience. Lot better than the one in the Orlando area. We absolutely love our model Y, no complaints.

@belavet 8 ай бұрын

The windshields really case me pause when calculating savings. We got our MY in february 2023 and my wife's daily commute already has the vehicle just under 21k miles. We have replaced the glass once... covered by insurance. Luckily our rates didn't go up, but looking at your numbers of having been done three times, that gives me a ticking time bomb feeling. I have never had to replace glass in my 20 years of driving.

@kradius2169 8 ай бұрын

... Just don't follow close. Fixed.

@cyclopsvision6370 8 ай бұрын

He has also taken it on a bunch of road trips, as has been documented in multiple videos, where speeds are higher, and debris is more likely to be kicked back at higher speeds. For city driving, at slower speeds, there's less of a chance of high speed debris cracking your windshield. If you are really worried, leave some extra room between you and the vehicle in front of you to lessen the chance of getting hit.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Not much I can really do about it. There’s soooo much construction and no one is responsible for keeping the roads cleared

@belavet 8 ай бұрын

@@kradius2169 when ours cracked we weren't following close lol. We don't drive any differently than we have for... 20 years of driving, as mentioned.

@belavet 8 ай бұрын

@@cyclopsvision6370 speeds are higher than what? My wife has a 100 mile highway commute. It's where ours broke... can't really maintain more than 3-5 car distances at all times. We don't tailgate.

@helloitsme394 8 ай бұрын

If someone is comparing ICE to electric, such as Rav4 to Model Y, there is a very real price difference in insurance rates and fees. That would be great to know in a video like this of things you learn after 50k miles of ownership. I'd be curious how much money you spent on insurance vs. a nonelectric vehicle.

@ohger1 8 ай бұрын

That's not apples to apples though. You have to compare cars of the same size and cost. But, I did check with my insurance agent (Allstate) comparing a Mach E and Y to replacing our Edge with another Edge. Going with identical model years and roughly the same size cars and costs (although the Edge was still a bit cheaper than both), the Mach would cost us $1200 more than the Edge and the Y would cost us $1600 more in insurance costs than the same year Edge. That's significant but that's Allstate. Several people have said other insurance rates are much closer to ICE than Allstate.

@helloitsme394 8 ай бұрын

@@ohger1 That’s a good point. I assumed it’s always vastly different but it could depend on the insurance company and state you live in. I think it’s still worth comparing after 50k miles if we are talking about finances but share the disclaimer.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

It’s so different location to location and person to person. Our 2020 model Y was cheaper than the Chrysler Pacifica we replaced with it

@ohger1 8 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuy Are you talking insurance? if so, who are you using?

@aacmove 7 ай бұрын

Better to compare it with a Camry or Lexus RZ if you talking luxury and size. Rav4 is nowhere near the price of a Tesla, and I would imagine the supposed quality!!!! If a Tesla is the same level as a Toyota then more fools the people who pay those prices.

@meanboy2000 6 ай бұрын

I compared it to my old f25 x3 3.5 based on HP. That mpg was around 18mpg combined. 50k miles at 5.50 for premium comes to a little over 15k in gas.

@pprreejj 8 ай бұрын

Great video.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

thanks

@vadskar64 7 ай бұрын

Good review, but to be fair, you had to compare to rav4 hybrid which comes with 41mpg and two years free maintenance. And also compare insurance cost, which for rav4 is significantly lower.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 7 ай бұрын

Just trying to show that this car is even more affordable than a much cheaper car.

@mrxman581 7 ай бұрын

@@BeardedTeslaGuyThe Rav4 hybrid is still less expensive than the MY, but more fuel efficient than the Rav4 full ICE.

@721bad17 8 ай бұрын

curious about the difference of Registration fees and insurance between the Rav 4 and the Y , im in California and i bet its quite a big difference. I would imagine the savings the Tesla offers makes up for those. im hoping?? thx just doing research before i dive into the electric car market. thx for the breakdown, good vid!

@david100483 8 ай бұрын

I live in Ohio and my registration fee is $200 more per year for full EV (on top of regular registration fee). My insurance is actually not much higher Vs previous gas car.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Yea there’s a difference, but it’s so location dependent. Here in FL, the registration is cheap for most any car so not much difference. Insurance is expensive for everything here though

@ronrandquist7762 8 ай бұрын

I live in Utah and bought my Model Y LR in Feb of 2021. My insurance with 100/300/100 limits is just over 1,200 per year. That’s about 100 per year more than my 2014 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid. In Utah EVs pay higher registration to cover lost gas tax revenues. My registration for 2023 was about $340. Registration for my 2015 Ford F350 was $150. I’m at about 35,000 miles on original tires, but I also have a set of winter tires that I run from mid October to early April. Supercharging in Utah (peak times) is about .43 to .48 per kWh, while I pay .10 for charging at home.

@saneauto 3 ай бұрын

3:26 Thanks for sharing this. I have about the same cost of driving as your Tesla Y in my old 3rd gen Prius. Because i drive a lot I have the additional cost of frequent oil changes. Yes Ive had to recondition the battery pack twice and replace some modules but most of my repairs have been under the hood. Approx $4K of ICE repairs in 400,000 miles of driving.

@tonybaroneee 8 ай бұрын

Sick drone shots!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@sergiomomesso1590 8 ай бұрын

Hyundai Ioniq 5 owner here. I liked your video and thank you for it. About resale value and comparing to Toyota, you comparing normal car to one with the best reputation in America. Normal to have less value right now especially when warranty is about to end with new technology. I like your model Y but to my taste, missing one element, V2L. So useful when you need it like when electrical shortage happen and I use it when cost of electricity is too high and charge when price is very low. About Camp mode, (In Ioniq 5 it's called Utility mode) I got about the same result as you. Like 5-8% for sleeping all night (Tested 2-3 times at +30C and 2 times at -5C).

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Yea vehicle to grid is coming with Cybertruck, and hopefully to the other models soon! Super useful

@petersimms4982 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree, my mod 3 is the best thing I’ve ever bought , I’m a 55yr old mechanic 😊

@BeardedTeslaGuy 7 ай бұрын

such a good car

@Andsegs 25 күн бұрын

Lmao! I was cussing you out when you curbed your rims. Subscribed!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 25 күн бұрын

😂😂

@detmonmonten6727 Ай бұрын

Great job, I am considering model Y

@BeardedTeslaGuy Ай бұрын

Best all around car on the road today!

@wtrskrs 7 ай бұрын

No regrets whatsoever, but it is always a little frustrating when people list supercharger or home charging rates that are on the low end of the spectrum. In Northern California, my cheapest home charging (with the EV time of use plan) is $0.25/kw, and I'm lucky to find a supercharger under $0.40; usually well over $0.50. So my costs are about double what you are listing. Granted, most places in the US have lower electricity costs (as well as lower gas costs), so it's still cheaper in California to charge my MY over gas in a comparible ICE. I just wish I had those low rates....

@jebes909090 6 ай бұрын

Because pro ev channels are completely biased.

@MJIKS22 7 ай бұрын

One thing the EV could bring back is the road trip experience of stopping for longer periods. People used to stop at diners to fuel up and basically just made the stops a larger part of the trip. Could be interesting if businesses move to this.

@yellowsnowman9157 7 ай бұрын

Sounds awful. If people stop, it's by choice and not to accommodate a vehicle they is deficient in these areas. EVs are a scam.

@ejaygood 6 ай бұрын

@@yellowsnowman9157expound

@armandogonzalez0814 6 ай бұрын

@@yellowsnowman9157100%

@darthsyphilis8528 6 ай бұрын

@@yellowsnowman9157we all know they take awhile to charge, so how is it a scam

@asommer518 6 ай бұрын

@@yellowsnowman9157 different pace for trips. My wife has a three hour drive limit anyway then needs bathroom etc. 15-20 minutes charge gets you a lot of range back. Those who use fuel stand an average 4-5 hours a year at the pump plus the drive time going out of way to fill up. This is for everyday driving. EVs charge at home so all that nonsense goes away locally.

@photostudio5861 26 күн бұрын

I didn't watch all of this long winded video, but the cost comparison between the RAV 4 and model Y stood out. Generally the biggest expense associated with buying a new car is depreciation. Toyota has great resale value while Tesla is not so great. I would guess that if you sold each car after 50k, the better return on the Toyota would swamp any extra savings in operating costs for the Tesla.

@markeby6985 4 ай бұрын

I have the 3rd row and find it better than expected. My 5/8 and 5/9 daughter and son could ride in it no problem on an hour trip when I got it just for grand kids. The AC was an issue summertime in MI, but simply aiming air vents up more seemed to take care of it. Don’t find the leg room to be much of an issue either if you adjust middle row correctly. With 2 adults and 5 kids could also still make them scream when hit the “gas”. Haven’t used the tow bar though and would like to know more how well that works. Not sure will ever use it now after heart surgery and remote camping becoming less likely so I am glad camp mode is standard inside Y.

@traviswalker007 8 ай бұрын

You should factor in the monthly insurance cost on a model y vs rav 4 hugeeeee difference.

@mattfrekwentflier8342 8 ай бұрын

What tires did you get for $852 for 4? That's very low

@javiercastro4561 8 ай бұрын

On Facebook marketplace I've gotten a full set of tires with rims with tpms for 800$ they had less then 100 miles before the changed to aftermarket on there model Y .

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

They are Perelli Scorpion

@Ughthisagain 8 ай бұрын

That’s an amazing price. Cost me 1500$ for 4 pzero elect tires. But I feel DT shop has best warranty and support for a 50k tread life tire I am good with this cost.

@nibotkram7743 8 ай бұрын

My Y has been great as well. I’m taking my 3rd trip to Phoenix from the PNW. Biggest likes are the dog mode, autopilot and lowest cost of ownership.

@mangeshp3289 8 ай бұрын

19 inch tires are cheaper then 20 and 21

@matter0525 2 ай бұрын

Entry height is important to me, and I really want an EV, so THANK YOU for demonstrating the seat height! Great review

@stemp1ar151 7 ай бұрын

Great Video as always! Quick Question... You replaced the tires at @852, what did you go with as I just got a set of tires for my other car (not the tesla) and it was @1100...

@kylecordes 8 ай бұрын

Model Y depreciation is more similar to other cars in the 50-60K price range, compared to the lower depreciation of a 30-something Toyota. Also what matters to a buyer today (at today's lower price) is depreciation going forward, not historical depreciation from when new prices were higher.

@cyclopsvision6370 8 ай бұрын

The difference is, the Tesla depreciation is because Tesla is lowering prices of new vehicles, not the traditional depreciation based on time and mileage like conventional ICE vehicles. If Tesla did not lower prices, the depreciation rate of EVs would be a lot lower than ICE vehicles.

@kylecordes 8 ай бұрын

@@cyclopsvision6370 The difference is not as great as it seems though; it is more visible because it appears on the Tesla website. Actual selling prices of other brands can fluctuate widely also, fueled by either dealer markup or incentives. Also, Model Y price was way up, but now is down, and is probably not going much further down from here. If you bought at the peak your depreciation is awful, but if you buy today, probably closer to typical.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think Tesla depreciation can be compared to “normal.” Huge price volatility is causing exaggerated swings in value on the used market

@Morphling92 7 ай бұрын

Also to add, in doing a lot of car shuffles this year (wife’s car going bad, my truck crashed, getting a second Tesla because crash scared me and turned in my Prius, and MIL car died) is the depreciation and used values are drastically different than 3 years ago. Even as I got my model y a month ago, used ones would pop up on websites (Tesla and third party) and they were only a couple thousand less than new. And these were model y that could have conceivably been purchased after the price drops. Used cars are holding value. Yeah because they ramped up production of the y and price came down $15000, used prices will equally drop.

@venkatvudayagiri2765 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think this is an Apples to Apples comparison, RAV4 LE is 35k whereas MY is 55K. A 20K difference will take atleast 5 years to make it equal.

@awashkowitz7156 8 ай бұрын

People tend to forget that initial price difference…In a vehicle with good mpg and good reliability, cost of ownership generally evens out around the 5 year mark….but there are lots of variables

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

Don’t disagree but it is an easy car for people to wrap their minds around. I’m showing you how the Model Y, a 50k+ vehicle, is no more expensive than a base trim RAV4. That’s a great story

@simplymatt_ 4 күн бұрын

I saw the zip code you’re in, I’m also located in the same zip code! Picking up my model Y tomorrow!

@stevenroglen2583 3 ай бұрын

I'm at 69,500 on my 2021 Y (Dec 2021 delivery) and it's been 1 set of tires, a windshield replacement which could happen to anything and 1 set of wiper blades. I came from a V6 Ford Edge so my gas savings is off the charts. Tesla app says I saved $1925 over the past year, but I was getting 16 MPG in my edge. In 60k miles with my Edge I'd of spent close to $9500 in gas alone, compared to the ~$3,690 in charging costs (this is number is probably lower because that's just for the past year and doesn't include my first 6 months of free Supercharging. More than made up the difference between the price. Edge was 45k got my Y at 49k

@BeardedTeslaGuy 3 ай бұрын

yea, the maintenance savings is significant.

@gaprofitt 8 ай бұрын

I have a 2021 Model Y and a 2023 Bolt EUV. It’s an interesting comparison. The Tesla is obviously faster, has more cargo room, more comfortable and better for trips. The Bolt however has a much better ride, a better turning radius and Android Auto and CarPlay which I prefer over Tesla Nav/interface. I love how nimble and light the steering is in the Bolt. Is the Tesla worth $15k to 17k more? I think the answer is a solid no.

@ohger1 8 ай бұрын

They aren't even close in size class. I would expect the Bolt to be a lot cheaper than the Y.

@gaprofitt 8 ай бұрын

@@ohger1 99 percent of the time it’s plenty of room. Maybe if you have large strollers or something.

@ohger1 8 ай бұрын

@@gaprofitt Yes, but that's not at all the point. I looked at the Bolt which we liked, but it's off our radar because we're looking at the Y and the Mach E, both considerably bigger and heavier because that's my wife and I prefer. But there are far bigger and heavier cars than the Mach E and Y, but I don't want anything larger than a premium midsize.

@gaprofitt 8 ай бұрын

@@ohger1 I’m just talking like from a practical perspective. A car doesn’t need to fart to be a good car. For most the Bolt checks all the boxes.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

If you won’t use autopilot or supercharging then yea, there’s not a whole lot of value to be gained. The Bolt is a solid alternative as long as you can get an honest dealer

@Nafstejyn 7 ай бұрын

Great video, but tough to say it's "more than twice as expensive" to own a RAV4 when you didn't discuss purchase price. You likely spent more than $5400 more on the purchase of your Tesla than a RAV4 would have cost, thereby eating up if not far surpassing the cost of operating and maintenance. So big picture and TOTAL cost of ownership, the Toyota probably comes out to cost less.

@TheEpiCool 7 ай бұрын

Facts

@Shutityou 7 ай бұрын

And the rav 4 would hold its value very well. Especially when it gets to 6 years old

@junomean 4 ай бұрын

Great video. Only ask, compare the insurance with RAV4 as well.

@DefinitelyNotYouThankGod 7 ай бұрын

Get (Exo-Shield) its a clear film over the windshield that stops chips/road sand.. keeps a clear perfect glass!ive been using this for almost 2 yrs. I haven’t replace the windshield since!

@dipalipatel4069 7 ай бұрын

I am very upset with the price change. It cost me 70,000+ for 2022 Tesla Y performance and now it cost 50,000+. That’s a slap in the face

@MrXzist 7 ай бұрын

That’s why you should never jump the gun

@THE-NC2 7 ай бұрын

@@MrXzistexactly in another few years all the models will drop another few thousand

@Edgar876 7 ай бұрын

Should have used that money to buy crypto ₿ guess how much your profit would have reached as at now with btc current high pump over the past 2 days

@Nicool333 7 ай бұрын

Why? Technology prices generally go down because of the pace of innovation. For a car like Tesla, owners should consider this basic fact at time of purchase.

@chrisdiceart 7 ай бұрын

Not sure if the video has any value or not after the third product placement I stopped watching

@YesCivic-R 5 ай бұрын

$66k new and now worth $34k ( 50k miles), depreciated $30k. The biggest issue is the depreication is faster than any others especially comparing to ICE, due to constant price droping of 1st generation EV by nature of automation and lower material cost.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 5 ай бұрын

Maybe, but I bought this one in early 2021 so I’m really close to existing prices

@danielkim672 7 ай бұрын

I guess my thoughts would be different today with lower price but i have the MYP and it is priced at luxury level and drives like a high tech fast civic or mustang. I can see why one likes it but it will depend on the buyer. For a heavy commuter like this i want more luxury and better fit and finish. To each their own though!

@ShuttTheFrontDoor 4 ай бұрын

Kind of looked like the Clermont region in this video then saw what I'm sure is Lake Louisa State Park. Love that area!

@carlosmcmahon623 5 ай бұрын

Brother "thank you" I learned a lot from your video. As my wife and I are looking to get into a new (EV). I learned a lot about the Teslas you own and the graphs were amazing and helped me see how your vehicles are doing over time. Also, I did not know about the new January 2024, tax credit on the spot. We thought it would be given to us during the 2024 tax years in 2025. Thanks for making this informative video.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 5 ай бұрын

so glad it was helpful!

@AWritersHusband 8 ай бұрын

Camera quality looking sharp

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

cheers!

@Rocket_Fan 8 ай бұрын

Excellent video! What app are you using to measure battery degradation ? Thanks!

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

That app is called "scan my Tesla" and interfaces with an OBD device that you have to have installed on the vehicle.

@SaltyRNFrank 5 ай бұрын

which brand , type amd size of wheel rim did you place on your Y and tires , size and brand . Great Vid Ty

@ilovmusic22 4 ай бұрын

Very insightful I honestly thought I would be saving more with an electric car but didn’t realize charging was so expensive and can’t charge at my apartment.

@pakmichael604 8 ай бұрын

Love the video and just ordered Tesla Y. What Thule model on the roof do you have? I'll need to order one too for camping trips.

@BeardedTeslaGuy 8 ай бұрын

its this one amzn.to/469losG

@BogeyTheBear 8 ай бұрын

A kWh is closer to a pint of gas than anything else, so divide the kWh capacity by 8 to get the "gallons" an EV uses and multiply the efficiency by 8 to get the MPG. In your case, 16,000 kWh is 2,000 gallons, and 3.2 miles per kWh is 25 miles per gallon (coming up with 50,000 miles).

@dmobile32 7 ай бұрын

Can we have the initial cost compare to the Rav4? How about the windshield repair costs? Any thoughts on time spent on charging given that the charger may not always be available out side of your home? I have a plug-in hybrid and time to look for free charging at work is just unaccounted for. I guess if you don’t mind waiting for charging and have time at work to find charging stations, then it might work out to some degree.

@evanmclaughlin09 Ай бұрын

While I have not watched the video all the way through, I will say that one key cost you must roll up in this total cost of ownership is insurance. It’s can be almost double to ensure a Tesla depending on where you live. That would move these two vehicles much closer together at the end of the day. It should absolutely be considered.

@ed_1969 7 ай бұрын

It does not cost anywhere near $9600 to run a rav4 for maintenance. Oil changes are about $40 to do yourself every 5k miles, cabin filters are $20 each and take 2 minutes to do yourself. Wiper blades depend on what you want to use... $20-80 a year and tires lets say $1k

@nirui467 4 ай бұрын

I was wondering how the Toyota maintenance cost was determined I also thought it was kind of high.