Before You Buy a Brompton T-Line

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This is a full review of technical details and design analysis. Pure facts, less opinions.
0:00 Intro
0:24 Frame Holes
1:31 Welding Improvements
2:03 Self Aligning Hinges
2:55 Quick Release Pedal
3:37 Folding
4:07 QR Pedal is not easy
4:24 Rear Frame is the same as P-Line
4:43 Carbon Handle Bars Sizes Mid & Low
5:18 Handle Bars are wider
5:24 Carbon Fork and Brake Cable Rubbing
5:43 Carbon Seat Stem
6:50 Telescopic Stem is steel only
7:02 Carbon Rails & Pentaclip
7:12 Replaceable Chain Ring
7:27 10 Speed Chain
7:48 Derailleur
7:54 Moving a folded Brompton
8:20 Dual locking Seat Post System
8:54 Thoughts on the ride
9:43 Tubolito: Light Inner Tubing
10:03 When can you get one?
10:10 1st 500 users are beta testers
10:26 Electrifying P-Line? T-Line?
11:45 Unfolding my Thoughts
Post review thoughts:
Brompton said to not worry about rain water in the main frame. See their explanation in comments.
The pedal has a hex on the end. Very slightly twist the axle (not the pedal) as it goes in, the hex will line up and the magnet pulls it in from there.
Brompton said that the Axle length in the P and T line is the same as the C Line.
This doesn't mean you can switch the external 4 gear hub wheel to the C line because it has a special hanger on the new frame for the derailleur.
There are reports that the handle bar doesn't clip in as well as the original steel frame Brompton. As you saw in my video the handle bar bounces back out if you push it down too hard.
The first 500 users will be asked for feedback, which will be to applied to the next batch and the current batch. The term "Beta Users" was created by me.
There support line will answer your questions even if you don't own a Brompton bike. It's amazing!
• Before You Buy a Bromp... - the words "Rain Water" was covered by subtitles text.
The circumference of the Ti top tube is 17cm vs 14cm of the steel tube eg it's got a larger diameter so the tool kit will fit in there but it will slide to the back. You can certainly plug the top tube ie insert a rain cover or bag
I'll put an Endoscope into the top tube of the brompton T-line in the next video.
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@SingaporeUntold Жыл бұрын

Confirmed. Water does collect at the BB area. I actually saw a vid where someone was taking out the BB and water poured out 😅 The original design is better and cleaner for aero. I think they shouldn’t have worry about those few grams making water an issue and having a slower bike that creates “dirty air”

@DrJamesT Жыл бұрын

Could you please share the link to the video?

@whazzat8015 Жыл бұрын

Aero on a Brommie? Come on.

@franciscosantana899 2 жыл бұрын

Very thorough analysis. I appreciate the time and care you took to ask so many pertinent questions.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate your feedback!

@CrappyProducts 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service, we appreciate that. Now we only need the T Electric and judging by the several surveys they've been sending out, I would expect an updated Electric Brompton to be imminent

@0oSiLveRo0 2 жыл бұрын

they can make that cost 10000 euros maybe

@MrJofArnold 2 жыл бұрын

I can't remember the last time I've wanted something this bad! Sad to have missed out on the first run. Really great video; thanks for asking all those questions.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Wait 1 year

@MrJofArnold 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT Hah. Yeah, I saw you mention that in another post. Is that official timing or inferred from the likely length of their beta period? I'll build my own for now and sell it around that time. Having a super-light Brompton with decent gearing would change my life.

@railwaystationmaster 2 жыл бұрын

5K Bad ?

@taber247 2 жыл бұрын

First one to like the review of this great bike. Thank you for sharing. Take care.

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 жыл бұрын

I have bought a black Titanium seat post for my LightweightH6LXBrompton, with a lightweight AceOffix saddle mount on top, for the mounting and angle of the saddle. I have an original, titanium fork and back-frame as standard and I look for a titanium stem post, as I have changed every loose part I could find, to titanium. But I still have 6 gears for use in a hilly area!

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 жыл бұрын

On my former top Lightweight, Bromton had put small pieces of tape to prevent rubbing through the paint, for the first two or three folds! I then had bought some carbon to protect it against wear. And I don't like being able to loose my pedals!

@E38vip 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad that this will be able to be purchased with no raffle in the future. I've never had a Brompton let alone a multispeed bike. Think this is the one for me

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

You’re in a very privileged position to invest in your mental and physical well being.

@fmulleady 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it up, excellent Dr James!!!

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@chrismaddox15 4 ай бұрын

Excellent video. Thanks!

@U-Choob 2 жыл бұрын

Incredibly insightful.! Thanks 🙏

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your test ride videos!

@mdrahatkhan8708 2 жыл бұрын

you are great. Nice and helpful video. Very informative.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@dashamin 9 ай бұрын

Bro your concern is legit! The tube allows water and sand to enter the bb. I will upload the video soon

@TheRoyalRoads 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks that was very informative and fun to watch too.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@gordonwhiteside4633 2 жыл бұрын

Great review! Thank you so much!

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@PaulRaffaelli 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video from clearly someone who cares. Thank you. I did a test ride myself and it does what it sets out to do, I think. One purpose: it’s light. Crazy light. I felt no difference with the test ride on the short journey I did. Expect that the handle bars are noticeably wider. But no biggy. I also loved the new seat. Much smaller (lighter) but very comfortable. I know it’s on the P Line. Like you. Interested to know about the rain. Probably doesn’t matter. Even if it’s heavy rain you’d probably stop at some point to unfold it drain anything out. Which won’t be much by the looks of it. Tbc though. Couple of minor worries. The beta testing for early buyers. I hope it’s safe. They should definitely make clear that buyers are beta testers. And if there are any major faults. These need to made and the buyer compensated. Issue with this stance is that I know all products are beta products. But for Brompton representative to say that is very worrying. Even deficit full. Small red flag. Repairs. Can parts be bought? These are new parts so not yet. That could be very expensive. Plus the inner tubes. Can other tubes be used. £26+ per puncture is steep. May even be an idea to swap for Racer tyres and tubes after the first puncture as these treadless tyres are prone to punctures in London from experience. But as said. It’s a crazy light Brompton. That’s been the talk of the town for years. And they’ve delivered. If it’s safe and rides the same as any Brompton. Job done. If it’s faster or smoother that’s a bonus to me. I imagine it will be though (too early to say from my early test). Thanks again.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your compliments. You can certainly change out the tyres and inner tubes. It will be over the 8 kg barrier though.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

“Kiong Hee Huat Tsai." Happy Chinese New Year! A whopping 50% of the viewers for this video is from Singapore.

@mikstratok Жыл бұрын

A T line, with a SON dynamo hub, and the litepro 7 gear upgrade. That'd be my dream bike.

@SingaporeUntold Жыл бұрын

So does the bb see any water ? Can anyone confirm that it’s sealed I feel the holes also are not aero and create “dirty” air

@714SNF Жыл бұрын

thx for the video! thoughts on the P-Line?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Brompton wrote back to me regarding the water in the top frame. I'm sure they are aware this letter will go public as I message them coming from this channel. In short there is no need to worry. If there are any issues they will sort it out. The bottom bracket is sealed internally. I would suggest T-Line owners to stuff a plastic bag in the top tube during a downpour anyway: Hello [DrJames] Thank you for contacting us here, at the Brompton factory and for your interest in our brand new T Line model. To the best of my knowledge, corrosion can occur when metal is in contact with water(from the road, would hasten the process). Your concern that corrodible materials could lead to rapid degradation, and the effect that may have on the structural integrity of the bike is understandable. In raising this with our design team, I have been advised that the T Line's mainframe has been tested in our test shop, for thousands of hours of continuous exposure to damp road conditions. The bicycle with this same characteristics has been ridden over many miles of test rides, for the same reasons. We do believe that the bikes frame should not present a usage difficulty arising from water corrosion, regardless of the new design (hole between mainframe and front frame). If however, owners may encounter component issues, when they are putting their T line through its paces, we shall certainly act to remedy any such issues for owners. For how the bike is conceived, I confirm there is no possibility for water to penetrate within the mainframe and to reach the bottom bracket, as it is sealed internally. Please note that you will get 3 free services for your T Line, which will be performed at the Junction Store of collection. meaning, if there is any issue with the bike, our mechanics will be more than happy to assist the end-users fully... ...I hope this helps to clarify. Should you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to get in touch. Kind Regards, Marco Brompton Bicycle

@JohnnyMotel99 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think titanium is affected by moisture and corrosion, in the same way as steel.

@ashab1 2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyMotel99 this is true however there is product named frame saver from recollection that can be used in steel frames or I personally use a silicone based lube sprayed inside, the raw lacquer version of the Brompton is the one that suffers from rust accelerated by gritted roads and wet weather riding as water penetrates and spreads under the lacquer as there is no paint for protection.

@ivanteo1973 2 жыл бұрын

even titanium does not corrode, you wouldn't want water to fill up and stay and the bottom bracket tube area.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

@@ivanteo1973 this is why you should stuff the tube.

@ivanteo1973 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT of course there are many things we can do to make it better but i am not expecting this concern to be addressed by user themselves.

@philunger8926 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video, thanks a lot. about the suspension, I didn't see any..... do you have any information about it? thanks

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Brompton has rear suspension using a rubber block. T-line has a stiffer suspension block than the C line. It's the same block as the P-Line.

@Anakena3 2 ай бұрын

Subscribed ! Verythoughtful comments and analysis ! Price tag is really challenging for me. I’m wondering where Brompton is heading as a companies. Feeling diversification of lines, integration of major third-party component, are a bit hasty. Also pretending to democratize bike as a mean of transport with bikes trending between 3 and 6K is a bit provoking

@Cavush 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Thank you.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@FELENATOR 2 жыл бұрын

You should change your name to the brompton doctor. This is all the information I craved and more thanks. Now to save up for a while.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

My Brompton cost £900 back in 2010. I can sell it back out now for £700. They keep their value if you look after it.

@ARJWright 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the questions and thoughts. Lots to chew on, some which makes sense from a product perspective, some which might make more sense well after time/rides. Question(s) to you @DrJames: - titanium doesn’t (usually) have the quality of rusting or warping due to water damage; granted, some cities have funny water. What’s the concern about the water damage? - the handlebar seems to be held onto the bar now by half a usual stem fixture (the front part of the stem of many normal bikes); could you confirm? If so, this would be a really neat area for accessory innovations *and* something I could see showing in a redesign to other Brompton models in the near future - does the Brompton toolkit fit inside the frame (if so this would be a pricey but suitable water-collection solution)? - you mention the acceleration and ride feel; would you say it leans more sporty (P-line) or more cruising (normal Brommie)? - feels there’s actually a tick more speed in this model besides adding the 54t up front… I wonder what Brompton might be plotting for touring/explore iterations where a lower or wider gear range amongst 4spds could be played with Thanks again… very helpful video 🙏🏽

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

-There appears to be a hole in the top tube that leads water into the diagonal bar between the top tube and stem. This bar could 1) fill up with water 2) lead water into the bottom bracket see kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oZuGdtZzxJbcnGg.html -I'm not sure what you mean by "half a usual stem fixture". kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oZuGdtZzxJbcnGg.html shows a plate bolting down the handle bar onto the stem. For sure accessories can be made on top of this. There are accessories made for the current brompton to hold smart phones. -The circumference of the Ti top tube is 17cm vs 14cm of the steel eg it's got a larger diameter so the tool kit will fit in there but it will slide to the back. You can certain create a plug to block it ie like useful rain cover rolled up -sporty and cruise depends on how much you lean down when riding. You can choose the Mid (cruise) or Low (sport) bar for the T-line -Brompton doesn't have to plot anything - go to brompton hacks on facebook and you'll find people are already customising the bike to their adapt to their needs. You can easily change the size of the cogs on all their bikes for $3-4 USD per cog.

@ARJWright 2 жыл бұрын

- ah, water into the bottom bracket could be nasty. Yikes - top of the stem looks like the front of a regular bike’s stem - interesting on size of tube; thanks for clarifying that part - the rider’s lean determining the feel; I wonder 🤔 - not on FB, but aware of the usual hacks; thinking more along the lines of what Brompton has been doing w/thematic products. The shift to 4spd feels like it points to other branches that only hacks explored, and some hacks couldn’t explore fully (am in design, it’s just a lens that happens around every product) Thanks for your responses once again; definitely need to get to Brompton Junction NYC when the weather dries out, and see about getting a test ride

@mrmotorvator 2 жыл бұрын

I see the old model used to show the seatpost/frame lock has a magnet ring on the BB: what electric system are you using?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Swytch Pro

@Arxces Жыл бұрын

Electrifying a carbon fork bike with a front hub motor is a bad idea?

@phillblake6829 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful bike

@fullflame9136 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the technical video on the T Line, A question is it possible to swap the rear triangle and front forks of the P Line and put onto a C Line Brompton ?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Yes you can.

@fullflame9136 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT Excellent, that gives some more Colour options to the P Line.

@mrmotorvator 2 жыл бұрын

Does water still leak into the front brake cable at the 'gatherer'? The outer was in 2 parts and the cable rusted. Why not use a noodle to ease the 120° cable bend?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

The cables bend to 30 degrees when folded. What's a noodle and how will that offer relief? I've seen on Brompton Hacks someone installed a Duomatic hub - it's a 2 speed hub and brake in one, controlled completely by the pedals to create a wireless system.

@nicolascaillat9130 2 жыл бұрын

It also lock the brakes at freezing temperatures... Dangerous

@pootlingalong8928 2 жыл бұрын

There are so many reasons to like this bike and to appreciate the work that has gone into developing it, but for me it looks like a cheap aluminium bike you could buy online anywhere due to the thick tubing. I've always loved steel because you can manufacture a bike with the most elegant, slender tubing. This new Brompton, whilst undeniably impressive, would offend my eye every time I look at it, sorry! Before I get shot down, can I just remind everyone that it is a good thing we all have different likes and preferences and my love for the steel Brompton does mean that I'm not going to be taking a Ti Brompton out of the market thereby denying a Ti-lover his dream bike :)

@mlee6136 Жыл бұрын

I’m using Ridenow inner tubes which are half the price and weigh the same (very durable)

@pgreenx 2 жыл бұрын

Hey should have Moots build the frames. Best titanium construction and welds in the world

@CapNemoDRS Жыл бұрын

Very nice bicycle

@atriantafy 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, excellent review. I have two questions: 1. Do you think the new Swytch ebike conversion kit could be installed on this T Line Brompton? If no why? 2. You mentioned that you can feel every crack on the ground which got me worried about my back and wrists. Do you think that by changing the rear suspension and the air pressure you could get it to a decent enough state to minimize impact? What other mods would you recommend to make the ride as comfortable as possible ? Thanks!

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

You might have missed the answer to question 1 in the video, the fork is carbon. It's not designed to handle force from motors. 2) change to a softer suspension or change the tires, or get a seat post with suspension.

@earlbee3196 6 ай бұрын

I’m going to buy one, I’m not gonna ride it, it’s just a piece of art in the kitchen.

@rydmerlin 2 жыл бұрын

Will the titanium tubing dent easily? I I get a sense we’ll be seeing recalls with these.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Titanium Grade 9 stats: www.matweb.com/search/datasheet_print.aspx?matguid=c27e9d21a20a4d2fb2332abba2379c7a

@stefan_brix 2 жыл бұрын

The T-Line shows clearly, that the original Brompton is really hard to optimize. One thing that can be optimized is the poor drive train of all Bromptons: It should have an internal geared hub of high quality that fit in the small 112 mm spacing of the rear triangel. That could be a customized Shimano 11 Gear hub or (just a dream) a customized Rohloff. Is a Belt better than a Chain? - I think yes, but I do not know if it is folding as good as a Chain ... The left Pedal: The original folding pedal still is the best compromise, even though it has the problem, that ist must be unfolded when the bike is unfolded because the pedal cannot pass the rear triangel. I have used some version of quick release pedals and it is very inconvenient (and "dirty", because the mechanism needs some lubrication) to stow the pedal especially in everyday situations (the video could not have shown it any better). Also a "no go" for everyday usage is the lack of lighting. SON offers the perfect dynamo hub for the Brompton and the cabling should be as integral as possible. LED-front and rear light weigh just few grams. There is no need for a rear carrier, and it is really good, that Brompton included the front carrier block even to the T-Line. I don't like the original brakes, even though they got better over time. I would prefer V-Brakes or hydraulic Brakes, especially on the rear wheel. But again: I tried a lot things myself (Rohloff, Hydraulic Disc Brakes, Shimano Nexus 8 with Rollerbrake, Quick release Pedals, other Folding Pedals) and I know exactly that it is really hard to optimize the original Brompton (for everyday usage). The only optimization I can recommend without any consideration ist the SON XS for Brompton dynamo hub in combination with the FLAT S PLUS or 2C PLUS (rear) and LUMOTEC EYC or LUMOTEC MYC from Busch + Müller. I use a soft microphone cable for the rear light.

@dewexdewex 2 жыл бұрын

I find the Shimano hubs are much less forgiving than the 3 speed SA ones. The latter are very robust. If the shifter index on Shimano hubs drifts, they get ruined. The internals seem a bit on the weak side.

@whazzat8015 Жыл бұрын

What's wrong with the 3spd hubs? You don't like a shifting style based on the Macarena?

@orall Жыл бұрын

On my test ride I was shocked how fast it was vs P-line. It was as if it wanted me/ asked me/ was pushing me to go fast.

@DrJamesT Жыл бұрын

It's also fast on emptying your savings.

@whazzat8015 Жыл бұрын

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

@marcomongke3116 2 жыл бұрын

Always wondered what is stopping Brompton to have internal routed cables?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

The fold

@marcomongke3116 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT i saw an internal cable routing on brompton copy not long ago. Perhaps such designs are in testing phase or has some kind of flaw i just havent realized yet.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

@@marcomongke3116 is this on the internet? love to see clever engineering

@marcomongke3116 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT i dont wanna get into detail but its in Chinese website. i want to get 1 when all supply chain stuff ends and when bike goes on some kind of sale this summer. But i cant help but whisper to you quietly here lol. its a model from a brand called 3sixty.

@hinterdemhorizont468 2 жыл бұрын

Hi James, Can you answer me a question ... Bromton does not have to make ahead of T line Electric, my question is, the Swytch set to T line fits? Can do this model electrification yourself? Too bad that Brompton does not have to electrify T line Model.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

I don't recommend fitting a motor to a carbon fork

@hinterdemhorizont468 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT Thanks

@DrGalta 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT Why?

@richmondstar4354 2 жыл бұрын

Does the new seat clamp/suspension block design actually remove the play on that T line which quite obvious on the previous model? Like the new rear triangle design and the derailleur set up this time to be honest apart from it looks very low on the ground. The stem clamp is quite good but saw that already few years back when someone converted the Brompton stem upper part to accept 31.8 bars. Some parts is like Brompton catching up with 3rd party vendors and Brompton modders😀….more external gears, hinge clamp, removable pedals, Tubolito😀…..again would love to see a water bottle mount behind the stem😀 Forgot to ask also if you tried to hold both brakes and rock the bike back and forth if any flexing by the stem/fork area? I just wish the first batch people will actually get a much better welding finish than that demo.🙃

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

I rode this through regular london traffic. I experimented with the front, back, and both brakes after reaching 5-10mph and there is no obvious flexing in the stem or fork. Brompton is not a risk heavy company. It took 20 years from idea to launch for the titanium frame. 10 years to add an electric motor.

@malcolmhedges7346 2 жыл бұрын

Any talk of tubeless ? Bit of a niche market I guess for that size of tyre. Believe a Taiwanese company make those pedals, any talk of the ability to buy individual components? I fitted SPD’s on my 6 speed but I’ve hardly used it (long story), thought I might go back to flat pedals

@JogBird 2 жыл бұрын

if they are mks pedals, that would be japan

@NoZenith 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@jzzx1984 2 жыл бұрын

can it fit a 54T chainring?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

you might need to change the whole chainring not just the teeth

@andreabruehs1280 2 жыл бұрын

I don't like that one of the pedals is so easy to disassemble. I would certainly lose it accidentally. This is so important for two-legged friends when cycling that I reject this "innovation" not only for this reason.

@peteturner8493 2 жыл бұрын

A missed opportunity to go with a belt drive & ditch chain + sprokets, longer lasting, far less maintance & no worries when touching clothing re folding!

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Carbon drive was achieved by ARCC. They custom built one for a client. It's very difficult and time consuming to put together. So they are keeping metal chains for the sake of manufacturing speed.

@JogBird 2 жыл бұрын

internal gear hubs are very heavy, they are using chains with a derailler system to save weight.. i suppose you could turn it into single speed, but, most people do not want that

@peteturner8493 2 жыл бұрын

@@JogBird Internal hub drives seem to have worked for Brompton bikes, then not much of a leap to go belt drive I would suggest.

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 жыл бұрын

I don't like a loose pedal, as you may loose it at one time - and then what?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Brompton sells spare parts. You can choose to never take it out.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Brompton just released a video on the duel seat post locking system kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abSedtaBy5jJfHk.html they explained it better than I did. I think it's possible to 3D print a silicon locking block for C-Line and legacy Bromptons.

@boredalchemist 2 жыл бұрын

I personally cannot believe they messed this up so bad, they should have just gone the full TI like the TI clones are

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

These are my speculations. We don't know if it's messed up until we have real world test results.

@boredalchemist 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT the design changes look cheap as well imo

@motomoto898 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this video. I certainly have been looking forward to it, since watching your last video. I have a lot of mixed feelings tbh. First off, it's very disappointing that at this price point the bike is being released to the public for further 'BETA' testing in return for just 3 free servicing opportunities. My understanding was that the bike had been developed and tested for a whole year. Certainly this is no pharma company in R&D in a phase IV drug trial. I have not heard of such a process with any other big bike brands like Specialized, Trek , canondale etc. If this truly is the official stance, and one must assume so given that a Brompton Junction T Line "Expert" is saying so then it must be true. Brompton should have been more forthcoming and clear that this is a BETA version and it should NOT have been sold, rather given to select customers to provide feedback. If this isn't true then they really need to communicate with their staff. Rolling my eyes when the expert says 'they' haven't told us, I forgot to ask 'them'...appreciate his honesty but the disconnect is ridiculous. Can you imagine walking into the apple store and hearing that. Am I being to harsh on the expert? maybe, but its not personal, I am sure he's trying his best given the position "they" have put him in. How could 'they' Brompton HQ/engineers not have considered water drainage. ok that's my 50 cents on that for now. Apologies - just venting my frustration with BROMPTON-Him-Her-Them- They

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

When the 1st iphone came out it had lots of issues including phone reception. All those people who got the 1st iphone are really testers for the next version. They paid for the R&D for the next version. Companies need the cash to invest. Brompton is no longer headed by an engineer but a business person. They invested resources in retail stores, marketing and 23 T line support videos on KZfaq. All these fancy videos and product launches require timing with third party providers. I just saw the brompton market lead on LinkedIn thanking all the companies that made the retail display units for the T line. Because the supply chain is broken the T line was delayed. But since the launch must go on. I suspect it was premature. They don’t even have enough bikes to fulfill the demand. It’s possible this was done on purpose too mimicking Tesla Model 3 launch. People waited a year to get one and they put a $3k deposit for something that didn’t exist. The crossbar hole is a concern. I hope I can get the attention of one their engineers to comment.

@gonzalogarcia7435 2 жыл бұрын

Tern or brompthon???? Hello from Chile

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Because I need a tiny draggable fold, hands down Brompton. Tern made a Brompton clone via kickstarter and it was not as good.

@marylim2011 2 жыл бұрын

Rain water will travel down inside the top tube causing it to rust, I have cut on my leg by the Brompton stock sharp edges paddle a zillion time - its annoying. The break handles are not the most economically positioned for ease of use. Sadly, There is no room to make any adjustment. Cannot feel any adequate suspension at all.

@ncongdongmail Ай бұрын

It will need to be magical rainwater to make Titanium rust...

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 жыл бұрын

As I have just bought a "hollow" titanium bolt to hold the stem post, on my Lightweight, it do make sense. But I still like my double, easy wheels on my mudguards to be able to roll. I have also bought some "carbon clamps" to hold the original titanium struts on my mudguards, for saving a little extra weight, and a new Joseph Kuosac headset, as a proud owner. Also a new Ceramic titanium crank. I may buy a new titanium stem-post at one time also?

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Upgrading to a Ti stem post is probably the easiest weight saving method. Apparently it has a bit flex to absorb shock. I think it's all down to the suspension block.

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT My bike is a Flaming Yellow, black version and I have found a factory being able to sell a titanium stem post painted in Flaming Yellow, as the original post. I may buy one.

@rotcataergeht 2 жыл бұрын

I have a citizen Rome folding bike that can fit into a luggage for flying.. This one wouldn't fit in luggage

@dewexdewex 2 жыл бұрын

I question all the range options which started to materialise in around 2006. I don't think they do anything for user experience. While Will Butler Adams did transform the company, the emphasis on marketing and vanity over the original 'form follows function' ethic I'm not a fan of. It's a HiFi bicycle now and mostly over priced. Maybe the company would have not survived without this fundamental shift. I would like to see their engineers put energy into developing an affordable folder; more than the recent lower grade basic Brompton with no mudguards/folding pedal which they marketed a couple of years ago. Something different, something sub 600GBP, 12Kg max and folding to a 35cm cube. Less emphasis on obsessive weight minimisation, more on affordability. Maybe not even a bicycle, maybe a decent folding electric scooter.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Brompton is racing to the top not to the bottom. At the top it is more about making a statement aka form. Ti i can argue IS a function for those who can afford it.

@Muddy283 Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting summary of the difference between Andrew's and Will's philosophy for the Brompton Bike company. I have to agree with Andrew that Brompton's creeping price inflation has unintentionally and undesirably turned it into a luxury item.

@user-bx1fp6tl6v 2 жыл бұрын

Здравствуйте, какая цена, и где можно купить?

@mlee6136 Жыл бұрын

I have 2 Titanium road bikes and a T-line. The welds on the T-line are rough and not the same quality as most Ti frames. The ppl,welding the T-lines are not the greatest. In fact Brompton quality control in general is poor. In saying that I still really like my t-line. Just wanted to call Brompton out in their quality and workmanship.

@platypushatstand 2 жыл бұрын

Never buy version 1.0 A hole in the frame that lets water in on a £4k bike, get outta here! I’ll stick with my H6L.

@pedrocols 3 күн бұрын

To each its own but wow these bikes are very expensive.

@JOHNGIBS 9 ай бұрын

EXPENSIVE BUT STILL NEED TO UPGRADE 😭😭😭😭😭

@markmendoza711 2 жыл бұрын

All those new things are good to me, except the PRICE 😂💔

@railwaystationmaster 2 жыл бұрын

Where's the ALL Titanium option including forks and a seat post ? , it a no brainer that given time when the T Line frenzy has waned purists will doubtless be demanding .

@randyholloway920 5 ай бұрын

IMO having all titanium will sacrifice ride quality. Titans such a harsh ride, that having carbon fork and seatpost is way more comfortable. I bought a competitor all titanium bike and endedup changing the seat post for that reason. It was my first titanium bike and I just didn’t realize that issue. Big regret. Anyway the Brompton is a great bike, but 16” wheels don’t work for me. It they ever make a 20” wheel, well then we’re talking.

@stevenning4635 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it is so meaningful to have the Brompton in such low weight if it doesn't offer a 2-piece crankset.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

A 2 piece is more costly than HollowTech for 100g saving.

@railwaystationmaster 2 жыл бұрын

5K You gotta be smoking !

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Inflation is cruel

@whazzat8015 Жыл бұрын

If you have to ask how much it costs, you cannot afford it.

@Purplepigster Жыл бұрын

Welding ?? Brazing !! no welding .

@MatthewYoung-nn7ek Жыл бұрын

Ridiculous that a £4K bike lets water into the frame. That is a serious design flaw

@theflyingbrompton4787 2 жыл бұрын

That color needs a black Brompton sticker. The white sticker looks out of place with the color scheme.

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

it's not a sticker it's laser etched

@theflyingbrompton4787 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrJamesT ahhh, did not know. Thank you. Still ugly.

@felixcat9318 Жыл бұрын

I was initially very excited about this new model, but then began to notice things that I didn't like, such as the use of carbon fibre forks, handlebar and seat post, and those ugly holes in the hinges. I also didn't like the cassette gear. However, the major dislike was that it wasn't an Andrew Ritchie Brompton! What drew me to the Brompton was its design and engineering excellence, and I love how it looks when folded, perfectly engineered by its passionate designer. This new model changes virtually everything, not even using the existing titanium forks and rear triangle! Simply put, its not an Andrew Ritchie Brompton...

@user-jv4uw6oz8m 2 жыл бұрын

한번에가자 바로 t라인으로

@haribo- 2 жыл бұрын

Ugly design. why do you need a huge hole on the frame?

@whazzat8015 Жыл бұрын

To get the water to the other side. C. Little

@fffffffggggg11111 Жыл бұрын

"mumble-mumble-mumble-mumble" - no wonder so many under 3 year olds are having never before seen communication issues.

@shabbos-goy9407 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen better welding..

@DrJamesT 2 жыл бұрын

Join the queue

@whazzat8015 Жыл бұрын

They welded it on Saturday.

@athomenotavailable 5 ай бұрын

Such ugly welds, and in the middle of the tubes too

@norbertjasiak9143 Ай бұрын

Garbage. Design. Always. Problems. Not.

@faraon1994 11 ай бұрын

I've been riding this bike for about a month kzfaq.infoUgkxwC0IIeIomGQVeBWg-kKJaToZkLEFIA2W and a half now and I think it's fantastic. It helps me get to work on time every day since I'm able to fit it inside of public transportation rush hour. The price is great too, people are always shocked when they ask me how much I paid for the fold up and I tell them "200". It's easy to fold and installation when it ships is insanely easy. All you have to install when the bike arrives is one foot pedal, everything else is done for you. I do recommend you carry some sort of wrench to tighten any loose screws on the handle bar and seat whenever they get a little bit loose. Other than that I think it's a fantastic bike. Easily fits in the home, can fit inside a car trunk and can even fit in subway rush hour.