that sounds more like meg.....jussayin...

The bubba that facecamped the first survivor he downed and every other from then on is better than the guy that got 8 hooks and they all escaped Edit: made this comment before watching the video didnt realize scott said the same thing as me

Yeaaah supa nice system.

The real fun part is that at the top is now what BHVR wanted to avoid - one or two good killers, except it went from a Spirit who has to play the game but lacks good counterplay, to campy Bubba, and they only face teams who escape from co-op teamwork, or stupid Blendies who never learned to loop or actually fight a good Killer. And now all the good Survs get to face even more Campers, and all the good Killers get to face even more useless Survivors. And at the bottom facing new players are all the good fair players who get to suffer seeing babies in every game. And then these new players get upset and cry about how hard the game is. In fact, some of the best games would be at mid or low SBMMR. Where the people who loop for years get put because the Altruist for the team, and where the super tactical but non-tunnel/camp 8/12 hook Killers go because their opponents were just slightly more coordinated to pull out an escape.

@@TheNemesis442 claudette, after getting unhooked, procedes to run the killer for about 2.5 seconds and goes down. Meg waits around the corner with a flashlight and goes down in 3 seconds after Claudette. Leon (me) running WGLF, Windows of Oppertunity, Blood Pact and BT trying to think of how to save this team while Feng procedes to absolutely crush gens like a frat boy crushing cans on spring break is how this game normally goes.

That's called being outplayed.

@@ebaynetflix and that's not something you can do without a little skill

@@Danaile1 ??? It is absolutely possible to be outplayed without any skill at all. Brand new players are bound to be out skilled. You don't deserve pity points for being worse than your opponents.

@Chiii Ling This is not true. The old pip system was incredibly busted and some killers had to actively play worse to pip up such as Plague. The pip system was far worse.

"I think we did a pretty good job"

That's not the Q&A that's Behavior in general.

@@ScottJund I wanted to phrase it as nice as possible, but yes xD

Behavior has been so arrogant and ignorant to the community that this game isn't fun for me or my friends. I'm a killer main, and I love playing all of the killers. Killer has never been unfun for me, and yeah, sometimes I can't win, but that's the game. Go next, the next game could be fun. However, my friend and I play this game, so we have to duo. We've played this game forever and we have so many hours in the game, hundreds of hilarious clips, and tons of memories. This game was the most fun game I've ever played, but now it's unbearable. We've both quit because when we play survivor, having fun becomes rare. Because of Behavior's neglect if DBD, the MMR system rewards killers for playing in the most unfun ways. Camping and tunneling is widely agreed to be boring and annoying. Me, myself, am a killer main. I know when the only option I have is to camp or tunnel, but killers from my experience don't. Nearly every single game we've played after the SBMM patch has been unfun and mostly a chore. Most killers we play against are hardcore meta, so we can't loop them for long (W is the only option), so no fun there. Besides, half of the games I played had killers that camped off of their first hook until their first kill. Then they camped their second. If they don't do that and actually pressure gens, they tunnel survivors out of the game. My friend and I can mostly handle getting tunneled, but our teammates (who are often significantly worse or babies), cannot. I am not complaining about killer strategies. I am complaining that this game has become an infinite loop of boring waste of time matches because killers are rewarded for playing like this. I am not syre what the highest MMR looks like for survivors, as it is extremely hard to get there in my experience, but the casual survivor experience has changed so much. Sometimes we do have fun games where we can breathe, and sometimes we still get great moments. But it's gone from every game to every 20 games. My favorite game is unplayable. Thanks BHVR

Honestly, this is dangerously close to what happened to Tanki Online. I remember the game getting at least 40k players online at any given time, and that was after its prime. The devs kept making changes that the playerbase didn't like, and kept asserting that they knew what was best. Fast forward, and suddenly there were around 4k players playing on a good day. They made it so you can't see the online player count a few years back, but there's no way it's any higher now than it was back then. Granted, the issue was exacerbated by a very pay-to-win playstyle as things went on, but I feel that happened because they wanted their monetary income to remain the same even though the active player base was rapidly falling.

Thats been Behaviour’s behaviour (lol) since 2019?, this game is fucked

Considering a lot of this community wants longer gen speeds, even though one can stack 4 slow down perks on top of each other (as well as a mangled add-on on a LOT of killers), this community isn't worth listening to a lot of times, especially when map size variability is the issue.

@@JakeobE DBD forums in particular has some of the worst balancing ideas regarding COH, they want self-heal straight up removed to "balance" it, which is exactly what will make the perk useless and never be run again. The devs are stupid but the community, consistently, focuses on extremes and M1 Killers being able to counter every single thing Survivors can do with ease. Patterns regarding balancing complaints like Lucky Break rework amongst other fears, have demonstrated this consistently.

@@The_B_Button I agree for the most part, but I don't think removing the self-heal will make the perk "useless" like you say. A big reason why CoH is so strong is the insane healing speed, allowing 3 injured survivors to reset in 12 seconds. Now, removing self-heal will make the perk more "situational" in a sense, in that you need a teammate now, but it will still be extremely broken if you just have a teammate with you.

@@JakeobE Not everybody has everything unlocked. Especially with the influx of new players from Epic the first few hundred hour is a rough experience as a killer. Who are the free killers? Trapper, Wraith, Huntress, Hillbilly and Nurse. Neither of them has a regression or basically any slowdown perk. So you have to start buying DLC to get i.e. PGW or Ruin. But even then you will have some serious difficulties with tracking, so you will need to grind a lot to get decent perks on at least one killer. Its not fun feeling completely helpless as 2 gen pop before you even find anyone or being completely unable to defend your last 3 gens as kicking does dogshit and single tap stops the regression. As survivor you have much easier time to start, as there is very few perks directly affecting gen repair speed and most maps are fine without any exhaustion perk if you play stealth.

@@Debilinside Not really. Survivors technically have an advantage considering evey meta-perk is free except DS and CoH. But only technically, meta doesn't mean shit in low MMR and the first few hundred hours will only be low MMR. Also, what you said about the free killer perks is just straight up not true. Thanatophobia is a great slow-down perk. Unnerving Presence and Huntress Lullaby also work extremely well in low MMR as slowdown + information perks, since new players struggle a lot with skill checks already and these perks amplify their struggle. Tinkerer is also very useful for gen pressure and gives information and Nurse's Calling is also a very good information perk. Jolt is quite alright for gen pressure, too. Spies from the Shadows is amazing as an information perk. Of course a completely new killer will suck against experienced survivors but that will happen vice-versa, too. And not a single perk could change that outcome anyway. The starter killer perks are not meta, but work well for beginners against beginners. While meta killer perks would mostly just destroy beginner survivors hardcore. Using Devour or Ruin on new players is a guaranteed 4K, since they sometimes don't even understand cleansing yet + don't know common totem locations. A few meta perks also suck for new survivors (wasting dead hard, not understanding boon-totems and then self-care next to the radius or breaking evey totem so CoH can't even be placed, sucking at hiding and by that making Iron Will useless). And there is NOED, what can fuck over new and experienced survivors alike. If you actually watch new players, you'll see that new survivors lose a lot more against new killers than new killers lose against new survivors. My first win ever as a survivor was literally because the killer was afk and that was 20 rounds in. You only start to get problems as a killer when you gain so enough experience to get out of low MMR, but by then, you should have enough iri shards to go for a new killer with nice perks or just pay the 2 bucks for a DLC key for Hag. On console they already have her anyway. Until sb reaches high MMR, they played more than enough to own every original-killer-meta-perk even if they haven't payed a single dime for the DLCs and only bought them with iri shards. The most problematic thing is not the perks but every free killer except Wraith being not that easy to learn. Especially Nurse, Hillbilly and Trapper are hard af to use correctly as a new player.

I SCREAMED WHEN HE SAID THAT

I miss your dbd coverage. Not that I don’t blame you for going other routes. It’s draining playing the game and being a fan can’t imagine making content on it lol.

@@TonyLehane Every now and then there is a topic I’m like “it’s a shame I can’t talk about that”. But ultimately moving away from DBD as a creator has made me far happier.

@@Tericho that is genuinely so sad that you and so many others feel that way, I'm glad ur doing content u enjoy

Hey T, I never thought I’d see you here. XD

I took it the other way of "If I run the killer for 5 gens, loop them to hell and back, moonwalk pallet stun into flashbang stun, etc. but die because the guy had NOED," is that really skillful? I can't even imagine how blind you would have to be to say that someone who died after adapting to and running loops on random tiles on a random map is not skillful, just because they took their first hit after all the gens are done and their teammates left

it's pretty skillful to me to get 8 hooks before 1 generator is popped, and then let them all escape after farming for 5 minutes. tanking my mmr on purpose to meme with baby survivors takes alot of skill in this busted, broken, stupid system.

frankly that’s just how mmr is. it’s a flawed system. it doesn’t take account of skill unless you win with said skill. that’s why elo hell in other games exist.

Exactly, I know kills are the killers main objective but 3 hooks 1 kill is no where near as impressive as 8 hook 0 kills. Hyper focusing one person like that will grant you a kill majority of the time but doesn't take a lot of effort, where as getting every survivor on the hook twice shows that you are able to end chases relatively quick, also this is just my 2 cents but in cases where i go up against a killer who just tunnels me then camps first hook their skill in ending chases is a lot lower than a killer who spreads out, and pressures gens. BHVR made the game but I don't think they actually play it very often because their understanding of whats skillful and what isn't is non existent

@@jonathanellwood2093 very true.

Almost word for word what I was going to comment

Just means I can 2 hook everyone and get paired with blueberries so I can keep having fun and not sweat every game

@@nathansparks9814 when I was playing a lot right after MMR dropped this was my strategy. I’d hook everyone once for BBQ, try for a second, and if I managed the 8th hook I started breaking stuff. It was a win win, I got pretty good BPs and didn’t push my MMR into sweaty levels

I mean I’m sorry but I think so. He’s factually found a better strategy at killing survivors than you. If you’re getting everyone on death hook, And all escapes, that screams low skill to me.

@@Summonick2 I would argue it’s lower skill but better strategy. Most people realize proxy camping and tunneling 1 person out ASAP is the best way to win because as soon as the game becomes 3-1 instead of 4-1 it really swings the power. However most of us would rather spend our game time in chases, not standing for 2 minutes staring at someone in a hook. The root problem is having fun in DBD and winning in DBD require opposite styles of play

Dbd mobile has disconnection bots too. It's literally just bhvr being numbskulls

Program the bot to just hold w and predrop pallets with an occasional tbag or flashlight click and I likely wouldn’t even notice the distinction tbh.

@@richt7525 lmao the fact that you ain’t even exaggerating is the funniest part

@@yeayea115 I’ve gotten bots at the start of the game when the queue times are taking too long in the mobile before. I think the disconnect bots are a good idea but I hope don’t add the queue bots unless they make them a bit more skillful

@@kedricarmstead8760 the devs won't add DC bots to PC as that would be admitting they got upstaged by the outsourced devs for the mobile port.

They have a very arrogant attitude.

its been doomed? you continue to support the game...

@@saliva1305 thinking of giving up on the game myself

@@misterpinkandyellow74 very smart

@@saliva1305 I haven't played in a very long time I still like Scott videos regardless

Having depression

I legit had to rewind to catch that

@@lemonjello6377 Lmao

My exact reaction

So what you're saying is Patrick doesn't understand Hockey or DBD, honestly feels like he doesn't know anything about games in general

@@seakhajiit He's not wrong that shots don't = wins. But that's an incredibly reductionist outlook on the sport. Hockey isn't close enough to DBD for it to make sense anyways. Team VS Team. Solo VS Team.

Even 5 or 6 shots is a high number for some of the game's most frequent shooters

@@ayosnack1607 Sorry, was just using a big number to try and prove a point. 30 is usually the total amount of shots on net in a game. But you're right. If you've got 6-10 shots that's very well done.

@@william4996 ofc! Just saying for people who don't get it, the analogy is big dumb lol

Omg! Another Linkin park fan

@@bubbasbasementparty4570 Indeed!!!! Been a fan since 2009 🤘

They are literally telling you what they count as a win; you are just choosing to ignore it because its convenient for you.

@@ebaynetflix stop defending the devs and see they have no idea what they're talking about

@@b2superbattledroid977 Then please explain how, because Scott is wrong in a way that numerous other attempts in quantifying skill in a game have proven to be true. If you can't articulate why something is wrong other than feeling its wrong or parroting a content creator, then you should reevaluate your position as being incorrect.

Not to mention the RNG they talked about.... a match can swing violently in one direction or another based on it.... in that hokey scenario it would be like blind tossing the puc onto the field after you did the same with both goals and all players. in some situations the goal of one team would be hugging and facing the wall to make it impossible to score on or another with the puc 2 feet away from a goal next to an enemy player. Your game was not built to be a sport stop trying to bubble gum and rubber band it into one.

Clearly he does not

Sometimes the right move for a survivor is to make a sacrifice. Sometimes them not getting out can allow the others to escape. Sometimes its not the right move to go save someone on hook. If the person on hook was chased all game, then doesnt get saved are they less skilled? The team won the game, but not the one who did the work? Survivor is more difficult to rank than killer. Without a detailed and comprehensive system to tell the entire story, survivors can really only be scored as a team.

McLean is not sorely missed it you saw his response to junds fake developer update video on all the changes we been asking for years he was completely against everything

@@deeziegaming8545 I'm guessing that mclean guy was just lesser of evils

@@gachispy yes lesser but still evil unfortunately lol

McLean still has some merits.

@@pantless1472 McLean is likely responsible for Alchemist ring turning Blight into old Nurse, among many of blights busted add-ons

Mario party elo lol

DbD is actually less random than several games with large competitive scenes. It has no output randomness (DOTA grand finals have been decided by a crit) nor does it have the ability to autolose from RNG (poker, MTG, autochess). The ability to manage random chance is a skill, even if its not a skill that you value.

So that baby Dwights who just installed don't get completely shitstomped by a 5000 hour high level Nurse, Spirit or Blight 5 games in a row. The game isn't as random as something like Mario Party because that is purely dice rolls and RNG where ad DBD does at least have aspects of the game you can influence with skill and practice (looping, mind games, prediction, game sense).

I honestly blame the playerbase for begging for it for years

1) This idiotic player base asked for it, just like the cosmetic store 2) Because it's made on a way that hooks new players and makes them spend a lot of money as soon as possible before they realize that the game in fundamentaly flawed

Well, the player would get 5 minutes in the box for pulling the glock and the other team would get to have a power play for the whole duration (aka doing gens in dbd). Hockey is weird.

As a player, in hockey, as said in the video, all the players get the win if the team wins, in dbd you can sacrifice yourself so 3 players escape and you get the lose even if you were the "top scorer" of the team, and you lose mmr as the most BP (so most actions towards the win) and maybe the blandette in the corner with 9k bps gets a win

a dead team cant score so it makes sense, would be a dick move to pull out a gun but still would make u win

Probably the worst choice of sport for this analogy. Anyone who watches hockey would tell you the team that outplays loses plenty of times.

@@PauloAguil really? Damn I didn't know. I'm not one of the 3 hockey player mains sadly

Not gonna lie you had me in the first half lol, I thought you were going to throw a little shot but it was wholesome 😁

Feel like that’s most dbd content of late, a game they did good cut out from a section of their stream

Indeed

HoOCkey GaME 🏒

LOOL NICE REFERENCE

Milk spills over table

"why stop there, just make it nearly impossible to down them in the first place - look what we did on the game map, i think we need more god pallets and stronger heal meta"

1 second but it's still a large amount

@@yeayea115 It's 1 second per great skill check I believe, and 3 greats is just an average amount most people will hit

@@bigdaddysquare7278 negative. Comparison video showed it requires all great skill checks hit to shave off one second

It's 1 second, not 3. And most players won't even hit the skill checks.

The sad part is that nobody can measure how much better they'd be doing had they been covering at least the actual base for professionalism. Right now, they have no pressure to do anything better and are actually under the delusion they're doing well because of the numbers. This world is a joke, and a bad one.

It usually does, he’s just dumb

@@Zakon673 its more of a win than getting 1k because you camped one person and the rest have no hooks. And at this point, I wouldn't really say its a slasher simulator

@@kerm7532 Also not tanking your own bloodpoint or other players, hooking every player twice means that there are chases and objectives being done inbetween the hooks presumably, therefore every player are doing things that give them bloodpoints in a match.

@@Zakon673 It's not even a slasher simulator. it's more of a torture porn game than a slasher sim.

I think its fine to count that as a win, but not not as a loss for survs. And if we are doing it individually, surviving while dead on hook is a draw. Then taking a hit and going down to save someone thats dead on hook, means you loose MMR for that play.

>Expecting BHVR to adress the community. Last time they did it was with 2.0 and I am of the argument that this update was the beggining of every current problem.

perk tiers oof

Wait? People are still swatting? Jesus some People I swear aren't even human.

Is it possible? Yeah you totally could the reason Scott and others say you are unable to is because it wastes a lot of time since you could quite easily spend less time on a system that works just as well

we have litarally seen them do exactly what u just said to a degree with the bloodpoint system which is still in the game to this day. they are highly capable of assigning "skill points" to various actions to determine skill but they are blatantly just lazy and dont want to spend time on making an effective system. at the end of the day, there is absolutely no reason to have a sbmm system in a game that is unbalanced from the core and doesnt even have a comptetive option to seperate the sweaty fanbase of the game from the casuals

They already have this in the emblem system, for the most part. The structure is already there!

remember how long it took for them to make this shitty sbmm system? 2 years! Now asking for an advanced system god knows how many more years it would take for them to just create a demo test system

@@wrathybear 2 years to come up with escape = good die = bad

Very rarely are game designers actually good at their game, nor do they necessarily have to be. That's why you get feedback from your community, assuming the devs actually listen. It seems like the DBD team is taking pages from the Diablo playbook.

@@CloudsOfDespair Yeah, they don't listen to their community at all and act like they know what's best, despite being inept while playing.

I think a lot of people overestimate how easy or successful the camping/tunneling play style is. I think it’s far less impressive to shit away a game with 8 hooks and no kills than to get a dirty 3-4K using camping and tunneling when needed. I find almost no challenge in getting lots of hooks, especially if I just proxy camp and hook the rescuer. Getting kills in dbd is pretty hard.

@@Summonick2 is reliant on the other person's skill and not your own. Also I'm not really talking about someone who uses it when needed, but someone who defaults to it. Someone camping isn't chasing or finding people, which is a killer skill.

I kind of think it's more like one step forward, off the stool.

Good one

Pretty sure all devs of DBD are trash. That’s why they continue nerfing killers for their own sake😂

@@NealBoss I'm a survivor main, and I can guarantee they're all incredibly bad, most killers can be somewhat easily handled with experience meanwhile we have shit like fucking BOONS... Christ, why were boons added??? To help the babies pick up a character and find a way to be useful to their team, which I'm guessing includes the devs bc they still haven't nerfed them

@@NealBoss Nerfing? You mean buff right? This game is definitely killer sided and you'd be dumb to think otherwise

@@cosseybomb what killer have they been buffing besides adding the dumb addon to blight? And the game is in no way killer or survivor sided by default it only becomes that way depending on what killer, map, swf, or unfair tactics (ie face camping/ tunneling) and even then they are ways to play around them

@@cosseybomb you’re joking right?

This makes me think that the devs are either highly incompetent, or just dislike skillful play in their game because it was never meant to be competitive in any way.

@@smooktober7639 THEN WHY DO THEY FORCE MMR UPON US?

this comment deserves an award :D

The last part was a perfect description of what killer feels like lol.

I mean personally, I've been playing ghostface purely so when I lock eyes with a survivor over a dropped pallet and they tbag me, I can tbag them back and we can share a special moment over the pallet. That's it, that's why I play killer

Exactly. Just like you said, not even the slightest power fantasy is there anymore.

I agree with everything but am failing to understand exactly what you mean on your 3rd point. If a team absolutely destroys a newcomer but doesn't clicky click or tbag, and is nice in the end game chat does that still count as toxic to you? When MMR shits the bed and pairs me up with a killer who bought the game 20 mins ago I don't go easy but always give encouragement in post game chat to keep playing killer and to not give up.

BP and MMR are different......but I see where your coming from.

That’s how it was when the game launched. "Ranking" Bloodpoints required Pips Awarded 0 - 6999 -1 7000 - 9999 0 (Safety Pip) 10000 - 19999 1 20000 - 32000 2

@@kilzfordays not only BP system, but remember we also had the Emblem system aswell afterwards, that system that did stuff like factor in gen completion, unhooks, getting downed, healing, and how long you did chases. It was not perfect and had issues of the 'jumping through hoops' problem but it was a hell of a lot more robust then the current MMR system, everyone kinda assumed anyway the MMR system would tweak and grab the emblem elements, but i guess people had too high expectations for something claimed to have taken 2 years.A unfortunate trend in general with anything in regards to core gameplay health in this game (Why the hell did it take years to increase Keys hatch animation and have them deplete, why is that a several year rework, why did the endgame collapse take 4 years?, ect)

Exactly. If this system is already in place to earn bp and rank up, then just make it a ranked game again and match people based on their ranks. Like…duh. Why abandon a ranked system that covered all of the “nuances” for a black and white mmr system that isn’t suitable for a game like this? It’s not fucking rocket science. They’re literally so lazy and they just don’t give a fuck anymore.

@@thepisswhore People try to talk in circles to make excuses for them because they are fan boys but you hit it on the head honestly

It is a joke at this point.

You know what I consider well in life? Playing any other game...XD im such a hypocrite...

just watch it on twitch

Losing is not skillful and you shouldn't pretend it is.

@@yurei3714 just did

What does base kit mean?

@@DmaSells it’s mean every survivor gets it with out it taking up a perk slot so think of it as now every survivor has 5 perks

@@DmaSells it mean they will have it on them at all times, even if they don't have the perk equiped.

Now now dont forget ill now buy bubba face camp 1-2 survivors to death and now im much better then Otz scott and etc combined According to Patrick Atleast LOL

I mean, bt becoming basekit sounds good.. doesn't it?

Just that very simple adjustment there is already 100 times better than what we got now

How long have you played? I've got around 2k hours myself.

For real, killers could literally get like a 1.15x BP multi post-game and I'd go back to playing killer no matter how meta & toxic it gets. Catch me running NOED, BBQ, Devour Hope and Thrill 😈

no

I still very much think circle of bullshit, overly generous hit validation, and good friggin lord the dead hard buff, are all contributing factors, but having read this I’d have to say I wholeheartedly agree. It’s such a dramatic shift that happened so gradually that I never quite noticed above the subconscious level, but now that you’ve pointed it out it’s obvious and undeniably true. Playing killer is just so much more stressful now with far less of the ‘fun’. My only incentive to carry on anymore is rising above the challenge to stomp annoying ppl, and it’s likely not good for my waning mental health lol.

The high mmr streamers I watch are getting more and more "potato" squads when playing survivor, it's so stupid and it's fun for nobody. The easier it is for survivors, the more sensitive they become to getting killed and the more toxic they act towards killers that simply try to win (aka deadass calling them bad for winning because they did it through "op" means, calling them tunnellers and campers when that's not even what they did, etc.), and a system that tells you you're gonna get rewarded if you escape and nothing else exacerbates this so much more. Before, you got killed, big deal, you got your points and your pips IF you actually did well. The initial goal of the game wasn't to survive, it was to play, and that's why you got such small bp caps per thing to do. This was due to the undercooked design that does nothing to naturally force interactions, and thus the forementioned was the fix. Now that it's gone... well... we get this bs.

I stopped after a month cause solo q became a "try not to rage quit" challenge, I ended up with people that had less than 100 hours every game. in a month I got at max 10 good survivors, not even amazing, barely good.

It isn't enjoyable for survivors either lmaao

cats tend to do that yeah

What a worthless comment

@@Null041 your fun at party's

@@trashyboiyeee9149 that comeback doesn't even work here

@@Null041 lmfao who hurt you?

well he should continue to think that way about his leaving players - in the end at least hes right about his game no one is playing anymore

God it’s beyond smug and full of himself, he acts like you just called his child a slur when you question the ranking system

@@DoctorDarlingTTV lol

Love Huntress, love her look, lore, mechanics, etc. Hate playing DBD because it is almost always boring, miserable, or both and I'd rather boot up FFXIV, Minecraft, Spelunky 2, etc. because at least I know I'm going to enjoy myself.

Lmfao. This. Do they think that DbD is the only game in existence?

@@blueboy1958 Apparently some people do. I gave up DBD last month and went back to GTA Online, I haven't played the game since. I just watch DBD videos now.

@@xxprototypexx5056 I gave it up once Boons came. Playing Deep rock galactic and enlisted ever since

i said it first

Why do I think about Zubatlel

It's actually a job requirement at BHVR to be the worst at what you filled to and yet have the biggest fucking ego on the entire visable universe.

@@luden1577 what makes you think about zubatlel

@@gilberino1909 zubats name is Patrick

Wipe the whole fucking team at this point. Just take game balance ideas from fog whisperers.

@@Tufticles I actually had never seen this side of them and after this dudes attitude making me literally want to throw up in my mouth, I feel so guilty for spending how much I have on cosmetics.... I can’t support this

Fucking HIRE. HIM. BHVR.

That doesn't solve the main issue in the video... idk what you mean

Okay but damn you are fine!!!

@@eternalchocolate53 aww thanks!

That’s how it worked originally. PIPing was determined purely on score when the game launched . This is countered simply by farming though. I’d still go back to it if we could.

This reminds me of how COD leaderboards used to work. To be high on the leaderboards you needed to have a high SPM because that's generally more impressive than just camping for a high KD or playing in a full team with comms to win every game. An MMR system that's based off of how many points you're getting every 5 mins would be interesting, and a hell of a lot better than the current system

Honestly I just don't get why they can't use the grade system. It basically already does a really good job of showing how you did in the match. And it also shows what grade you're on and how close you are to going up or down

It’s honestly “what do you guys not have phones” level. I’m incredulous. He’s so PERSONALLY offended that he may have a system that isn’t great-it’s a very depressing overwhelming ego here literally ruining this game that we all love at its core. This person is gross

If that's what the game rewards, that's what you should do. Playing honorably doesn't make you a better killer, it just makes you worse.

@@ebaynetflix Some people care about having fun.

@@ebaynetflix well I absolutely don't care about mmr, the emblem and points system gives more for more chases and hooks. Also If committing to more and more chases doesn't make you a better player, what does that? Camping?

@@Pouria_1664 Winning makes you the better player. The fact that you value chases more than the game's win condition is a personal judgement of yours. Literally every game has people complaining about strategies to win, from zoners in fighting games to zerg rush in Star Craft. This behavior is neither unique to DBD nor is it any more true. This is just something that DBD players tell themselves to feel better about their loss.

@@ebaynetflix no you're misunderstanding it. I'm saying I value being in chases to learn and improve than to camp to get kills However truly as you said, only chasing unless you're stomping every chase so that they're not keeping up with gen pressure, it's not gonna be successful in for a kills and winning stand point. Basically my point was playing in a match normally than just face camping and not bothering with anything like gens ,strategies to win and etc. but I very well understand and apply a strategy than just chases to win for sure. Also fun is a more important factor to me, so even if I'm losing I'd rather not camp till end game either way

literally such a stupid system

DBD: looks like you couldnt escape the facecamping bubba on your own. shame about your MMR then. your teammates did better than you so rewards for them.

He's Canadian, I'm not sure he'd even know what baseball is. (/s)

I disagree, for reasons like a bad player predroping every pallet in the map to avoid getting hit or a good player taking hits from another teammate

I was thinking chase time but your idea is actually a lot better than mine, good thinking.

@@bylukx pre-dropping every pallet will only really work for one chase and that's if the killer can't work around it, which most good killers can. Also, taking a hit would be a one time thing and then they either escape the chase or become the new target and then loop the killer for a while, if they are good

@@smooktober7639 i was gonna say that as well but good players could have really long or really short chases based on if the killer is willing to commit to the chase lol

Lol, we did have BP-based ranks back in the day, from 1.0 until nearly 2.0. It wasn’t great. Mostly because killers naturally get way more BP than survivors, and the BP gain between killers is wild. The amount of BP you can get during a bad game of Wraith vs. a good game of Trapper is ridiculous. On the survivor side, you’d wind up in situations where survivors would actively chase down the killers to get into chases with them, meanwhile there are literally only so many BP’s you can get from doing gens. Once the gens got done, you couldn’t get any more BP’s from that entire category. Also, the rankings capped the BP rank contribution to 5k, so the skilled player who ran the killer for 5 gens would only get credit for 5k BP (aka, 5 killer stuns iirc), no BP’s for gens, and maybe no BP’s for escape. So the guy who ran the killer for 5 gens depips, while the guy who did gens and escaped would definitely pip.

I mean, technically the goal of the killer is to kill and the goal of the survivor is to survive. That's why you see competitive players either hold m1 or sits under a hook, because it is the most efficient way to achieve your objective. The problem is that it's so ridiculously boring that the Legacy Meg with 5k hours in the game basement dives a Bubba and dies and then some baby killer gets her and cries about how mmr is unbalanced. I think both sides exaggerate it to an extent, but basing a system on kills and escapes when the most boring thing to do is kill and escape speaks volumes about what the goal of the game is. They said they want the game to be competitive and they're doing a phenomenal job at that and are probably going to bore the playerbase right out of the game

@@jonathanellwood2093 whenever i see the word "technically", i just kinda zone out, apologies.

While it'd be slightly harder to implement - points in regards to proper/advanced usage of your Killer's power would help too. Like if a Huntress player hits a hatchet from halfway across the map they should be rewarded for their skill as well, just as say an Oni who dashes to the other side and gets the down. Right now there's no incentive to get better at hitting long ranged hatchets beyond personal skill motivations because neither the current MMR or current CoH meta rewards it.

@@jonathanellwood2093 actually read your comment now, completely agree.

@@DuskEalain to be fair things like these would kinda be included in the entire "end chase fast for a hit = more points" thing, since the huntress chase is technically non-existent on long range hatchets and the oni power cuts down on chase time too, but i dont see anything wrong with making mmr work different for each killer because even if mmr works the same for every killer, theres always going to be discrepancies into what killers can achieve more mmr gain for any system since the killers themselves are different. so yeah, i agree, this could easily be included and have a positive impact on matchmaking too

yeah basically, I rarely play killer but am pretty unbiased when it comes to balancing. Healing speeds don't mean shit when the boon can just be put in the same spot over and over again. 5 totems spawn which means there should only be 5 boon placements in each game assuming the killer snuffed every single one. This would also help newer players learn totem spawns because it would force them to go find another totem to bless. The audacity of these devs lol

@@smooktober7639 the existence of one survivor having circle of healing pretty much eliminates any chance of snowballing the average killer has unless they purposefully go out of their way to find and snuff boons anytime they’re placed down. One survivor bringing a single perk can fuck the average killer so hard man

25% heal speed LOL not even a real nerf

Congrats! You found the old matchmaking system!

Noice!