and the height of the wave sound is a bit shorter ^^

@@stefpir Think it has a slightly more round sound overall too

tubbutec SH1oh1 on mine wicked upgrade best of both.

No, we're not.

Still the Roland sounds better, the behringer sounds harsh with less weight

@@denniswaakopreijers115 The SH-101 was my very first pro synth closely followed by an MC-202. I'm relieved that Behringer has not captured the spirit of these Roland classics.

@@denniswaakopreijers115 I had a "real" SH-101 for many years, and my new MS-1 is superior to it in just about every way.

1.7 inches is actually 43.18mm. 😉

That deepness is probably coming from the age of the SH-101. In a few decades, the MS-01's will sound a tad deeper as well.

Ryan Moran that’s a very good point😊

@@djdrwatson Thank You!!!

Everyone knows girth is more important ;)

yea dont worth the price , even for synth hypester

It does seem like the filter opens further on the MS-1, this is most obvious on the noise comparison.

That sounds like a bit of a plus for the MS-1.

Not sure about better sequencer. It seems to be a little too limited with 32 steps compared to 100 steps on the original.

@@ConwayBob Agreed that way you can match the sh and go beyond.

@@dustcombo It's probably because there weren't many phrase samplers/loopers widely used in the early 80's, especially live situations. Where-as today, you're probably using a looper like the Boss RC202 or RC10R for example, live, and software at home and for recording. That's my guess, anyway.

Synth Shoot your comment really cuts through the mix

I'm pickin' up what yer puttin' down.

@@piercemcintyre1327 😂

@@piercemcintyre1327 lol :)

I sold my sh101 years ago for a ton of money so when Behringer bought this out I got one right away I had a Roland 303 one time and sold that for 2 grand

There is not as big a difference between 101’s as there is 303’s and especially 909’s. I can recognise the familiar sound of a 101 on a lot of 90’s releases and can dial them up on my 101 very quickly.

Noise transistor is different in each Sh101. Has to be carefully selected. The original "chip packages" have a huge spread. But are still better matched internally than earlier synths that needed matched transistors. Ms1 seems to have a slightly lower resonance but better bass compensation than sh101. Ms1 is slightly less rubbery so more defined in sound. 3-4 capacitors and a resistor or 2 and Ms1 is much closer. Hurray Maffez Sh101 pcb has no powerplane and only a 6bit resistor DAC for cv and that might explain a lot. Very cheaply designed synth compared to junos. Those choices made each sh101 special. I dont like that Moog sequencer in the ms1 much. Too many 2 hand Shift combinations. At least it's not only 16 steps. With new coolaudio ba662 clones mk2 can be much improved

Aha this is the synth version of "does it djent? "

Yeah because they lower end of the scale notes were only played on the MS. He didn't switch to the SH until the high notes.

they do

No, that would infringe copyrights.

Yep, that old pair of jeans has been worn for 30 years and stil ok, but new pair busted after 1-2 seasons)

Yeah ok. Whatever you say. Have fun with your cheap toy.

Many vintage synths were cheap toys in their day. Especially Roland. That’s how they got into the hands of the musicians who made them iconic. Now you are paying a premium on something where 90% of the value is in its reputation and usage by talented musicians. broken down to what it physically is, it’s a cheap toy shrouded in myth and nostalgia, but still a cheap toy. Enjoy your expensive cheap toy.

@@hunterguntermunterTo put that further into perspective, Wendy Carlos considered the original Minimoog to be a "cheap cash-grab". Sure, I guess, if you compare it to a hulking, house-priced modular system.

I had another SH101 and sold it for the ms1....

The Behringer version is called the MS-1, it comes in three colors black, blue and red. The -BK is just the black version, -BU and -RD are the blue and red ones. The Behringer might of originally been called MS-101 and then the name was changed to MS-1.

@@PerfectCircuit thanks for the info

zaphod - spoons is an art.

Amazing tho? Really

More like amazing to the right person listening to it

Exactly this. Reading through the spikey and bitter comments from people who had either paid way over the odds for a used original or were worried about their 101's value plummeting is even more entertaining today than it was 3 years ago.

@@davespicer2143’m on the fence of buying a 101 restored w/ midi. From what I’ve gathered ~ sounds like the Beringers don’t have the best qa/qc. Still a tough decision 😅😅😂

I'm one of those weirdos who likes a lot of the colorful synths so MS-1 and TD-3 are both blue for me. Especially since not every place has the non-black at a price premium.

@@SSquirrel1976 The black does look pretty sick IMHO, I got a red one and it is pretty rad too :)

Now that most places have them at the same price, being able to pick a favorite wo worrying about a price premium is nice

I got a good Black Friday deal on a black one! Interestingly the picture still showed the original MS-101 branding on it. I wonder if it will came as an MS-1 or MS-101.

Why does the colours alter the sounds

well one was made this year and the other was manufactured in the 80's

time stamp please!

I hate that sequencer LOL, that was the main thing that kept me off this clone. I am so glad the TD-3 is using the 303 sequencer.

Even a car or bicycle is a copycat .

gunsandsynths nobody can “hear thru-hole”. That’s preposterous.

David Caudill go listen to squarepusher who used the SH quite a bit. there's a magic that unit had that this clone just doesn't replicate

so whats your conclusion?

Sleeping I didn’t pay even half of that for my 101 but we’re not comparing prices. Of course for most people the behringer will make more sense as a new buy but the classic still has an edge in sound.

@@autoy Whatever you wanna keep telling yourself

zzzzzzzzz

Get the f outta here. "sounds fatter." "More bass." How much is Behringer paying you?

Bothand Nether true artist copy

thanks, you put it in perspective; subtle differences can make big differences in the music.. not the other way round "you won´t notice in a mix". If you have a gorgeous magical sounding synth with 100% sound, you want to put it on a pedestal in the mix :)

you are talking bullshit... you have no clue

i agree, and thats what i find funny about these clone synths, theyre releasing heaps of synths with almost the same features but without even really sounding all that faithful to the originals. But they must be selling well cos they keep making them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Think age can be a factor here

@@motoboy6666 Unless filters are like wine and get better with age, I don't think age is big part of the difference in sound in this case. I can clearly hear that the SH is far more wet and fat. The MS has some fatness but it's more wooly than warm.

These comparisons have no meaning. Even the closest clone you can imagine can't be compared to a 40 years old original device, all components are aging. Even the original SH101 like the MS-20 or any other synth was known to sound differently from one series to another. It is stupid to take such comparison as a precise and objective tool. You don't have a time machine to test the behringer clone against a SH101 that will be just go out of the factories in 1982... So keep this in mind. All components are aging, so an original SH 101 from 1982/86 DON'T sound like a brand new one in 82/86... It even has been repaired, with components that are not the original ones. Taking at face value such comparison is stupid. Scientifically this has no meaning. Perhaps the behringer is sounding nearest to the original machine than the old SH 101 used in this video. Never forget that point.

@@_EightySix Well its pretty objective, but to me the raw waveforms are pretty spot on. Noise is different, and its a big part of the 101 sound. Either than that, the ms-1 sounds a bit mer poliched/new, by a tad, again the 101 is an 35 year old synth. Saying that the synth are far from each other are pretty daft to me.

I have Behringer neutron from January and some pots are already scratchy/noisy..

I’ll still have enough money left over to buy three more m-1’s even if it didn’t last three years, but in all honesty the transistors, potentiomètres and soldered circuit connections are what it comes down to

@@piercemcintyre1327 That s way I am considering to expand eurorack with the neutron as starter point..

stefanos kollias electrical lubricant can help clean your pots, they don’t just wear out that fast.

My Deepmind is still working strong after 1.5 years and some mild gigging.

@@Lamster66 Yes

@@Lamster66 I mean, the MS is great, amazing machine for the price. Sounds a bit different, the cutoff also. I am used to SH sounds, the reason of my comment. If you find an SH around 600e, it is a no brainer, if more, then go for the MS.

Wow, man. That was profound.

@@_EightySix amazing grammar to complement that amazing statement too! LOL

There are a lot of people who can't afford a $1200 synth (that's almost 40 years old) but can swing a $350 one.

M P. It is true,buying cheaper when other synths are so expensive.

Roland and korg have mini synths so cheaper less that 500. Roland has release is own vintage synths into new minis synths they do same as the big synths