The idea that the American forces were morally superior to the Ruskies in WWII and this is why Germans surrendered to them is demonstrably absurd when you actually understand the war and even a surface understanding of history xD The German wehrmacht blindsided and invaded Russia after signing a peace deal with them... and then they proceeded to go scorched Earth while devastating every Russian city. town and village they would pass through - 19 million Soviet civilians died at the hands of the Wehrmacht when comparatively "only" 6 - 7 million Jewish folks were killed in the holocaust... though this is a comparison that is not much discussed on the mainstream. The Soviet military lost "only" about 8 million to direct military conflict and all of the rest of the staggering Soviet loss of life, was civilian and related to the Wehrmacht scorched earth policy when it came to Slavic people lol I suspect that, had Germans invaded the US East Coast and burned and marauded their way through the Midwest, they would similarly hope to surrender to Canadians should such a hypothetical invasion have gone south. Would we then presume the moral superiority of Canada? What Ben Shapiro rambles off at pace may seem insightful, even deeply intellectual at initial glance.. that is until you actually spend 2 minutes thinking about it xD

This was shameful... Ben Shapiro is a mouth piece for religious evil

It is such a riveting back and forth Zzzzzz

Yeah, seriously disgusting. They got a neoliberal right winger debating a neocon right winger and we're supposed to think this was "both sides" of the discussion.

And the dystopian debates continue. “No one wants to govern the Palestinians? “ …. Maybe they want to do it.

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@@Rodrifuuu You’re in need of a reality check

Your sarcasm is top notch 😂 👏

@@illdrumatik391 Thanks hhhhh

Facts are pro Israel what can you do...

I typed 'Palestine debate' and this nonsense debate comes out top. Now I know who owns YT

They're both intelligent, of course they are pro Israel.

Thinking the same thing 😭 imagine being destiny though bro is debating with the best debater alive and lex there too there both Jews like bro should be shook I think any normal person would 😭

​@@classifiedinformation960 Shapiro and destiny are both motor mouths known for arguing with teenagers and college students and they've both been greatly humiliated when debating actual scholars

This was a zionist talking with another zionist

good

it's almost as if they are both controlled opposition or something...

​@@darkonone5158alright then whatever you say

@@davidsplooge14 sure thing champ

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At least Dershowitz supports a two state solution, it’d be a wider debate than this was

Why not? Ben has already debated Dracula and the Wolfman and lived to tell the story. So why not Finklestein?

Finklestein already dodged 2 debates with Destiny. And Destiny read his book for it too. Spent whole streams debunking it. I'd rather see Destiny v Finkle

@@TheRainsRuined You keep saying this and it's literally bullshit. Destiny literally did not show up. Surprised you also didn't throw in the lie about the number of deaths on October 7 being greater than initially reported like you did in another comment, which is the exact opposite of what happened. Like I said in another response to you: 1.) Israel literally killed and shelled it's own civilians on October 7 via the "Hannibal Directive" and 2.) the total death toll on October 7 went from 1,400 to 1,200 to less than 1,000 to less than 700 (we could also point out that the beheaded babies and mass r*pe claims committed by Hamas have also been debunked). You really should just sit this one out because you haven't the slightest fucking clue as to what you are talking about. Destiny is literally the same guy who denies that Israel is an expansionist state, even though that is easily demonstrable. He hasn't the first clue as to what he is talking about. You keep saying "He read his book for it, too." Which one? Finkelstein has literally been writing on this topic for nearly four decades. LMAO

Thank you!!

Finkelstein is a moron and you are too if you are under the impression he could debate either of these guys.

No, it's a debate where both agree that Palestinian leaders are the problem.

​@@richardlobo88 You need to learn what the word debate means.

@@LookzA they initially came to talk about conservative and liberal views of Americas topics. When asked about Israel. They both agreed on Israel's point of view.

@@richardlobo88 exactly why your comment is stupid "it's a debate where both agree", in other words not a debate.

@@LookzA in this clip it's not. In the whole video it was.

@@sadface7457It’s not virtuous to support genocide

@@zaidalruwaishan1915there is no genocide, unlike in a lot of Muslim on Muslim genocide crimes

​@@zaidalruwaishan1915 supporteing isreal is not supporting genocide, support ham*s however is supporting genocide

That doesn't mean that you can't disagree on some points, as shown in this debate.

@@bumblebee.146supporting israel is supporting genocide

I agree! We should have had a much "heated" debate on a subject which is really divisive.

Only reasonable people represented

Did these facts hurt your feelings?

​@@kfirevenyou probably go to prayer with Ben

@@sadface7457 no such thing as the devil, thats just something slow people like you obsess about

Conservative vs liberal, and on Israel vs Palestine it’s easy to see which side is right and which side is wrong

Both of em in this case

@@davidnguyen1496 and by that I mean Israel

@@davidnguyen1496 What do you mean "which side"? I only saw one side presented here.

​@@davidnguyen1496thank you

And they still managed to get all things and facts wrong.

Yeah Destiny won by a landslide

In the end Israel is a US key ally in the Middle East.

@@prometheus5405 Israel is your daddy 🥴

@@prometheus5405 "ally" that spies on you, never fights alongside you in any war (including iraq that is right next door from them), doesn't let you stage troops or have bases, and even kills your own sailors to try to pin it on another country and drag you to war. truly one the allies of all time

I think we needed another pro-Israeli perspective in there to keep it balanced.

Actually NEITHER, because "Isreal" isn't a country. *Israel, noob.

No one is questioning with it’s real?

You just dont get that the pro "palestine" side is empty and full of lies thats why they use only violnce. Just for you keybord geniuses could share here your bright comments.

​@@elite7329ya think 😂?

Bro what are your most popular videos 💀🙏

They both agree a one-state solution is not an option.

Norman Finkelstein is a hack. An actual pro-palestinian scholar would be better.

you think he dare to go against Dr.Norman? lol what do you expected from zionist zympathiser

Finklestein already dodged 2 debates with Destiny. And Destiny read his book for it too Spent whole streams debunking it and looking up his sources - Destiny v Finkle would be better: Destiny the 2 state and Finkle - the Oct 7 celebrating until he found out there were more deaths than he innitially realized - 1 stater

Why?

​@@zonianfjb Because I doesn't agree with him😂

@@ioakimantonis4687so you didn’t come here to learn something new, but to reinforce your existing beliefs, gotcha

@@stefangreve7983 it was sarcasm..

This debate is a Zionist cesspool.

They’re possessed by satanic entities

They are different points to the same solution.

Debates aren’t always about different sides. This is pretty clearly about the path to a solution. Not who’s morally vindicated in a conflict

Maybe Lex was threatened or something.

​@@trentirvin2008 Let's all just shift that Overton window shall we?

@@lumpyrex007elaborate how im doing that?

Zionist vs Zionist aka Human vs Human.

he did not imply they are not humans. just that they have a very similar ideological opinion on this specific subject

They are killer

@@theisraelig5162Zionists are human animals

@@samson6707 Being a Zionist equates to being a human, if you think the Jews don't deserve one little safe haven in the entire world after thousands of years of exile, then maybe your moral compass is broken. Whether you like it or not Zionists can have big disagreements between themselves and those are still valid.

@@sadface7457 Who is Naunce?

Ben won't debate anyone for real

Because they arent really arguing they are both pro genocide

What genocide? Of jews on 7/10?

@@mbroitt If you were in an open air prison on a land you were indigenous to, you may attack the people keeping you in an open air prison. The slaughter and controlled starvation of Palestinians has gone on way before 7/10.

so 500 civilian killed is genocide but 28,000 civilian killed not genocide? explain please.@@mbroitt

@@AymanHussein-ci4cuthe difference is the second is predicated on the first and therefore can largely be defended as legal in international law…and hence not genocide

They sound like two chipmunks chattering.

adderall

i thought i was on 1.25x speed

gish-gallopers

@@prn_97_ I had to check my Playspeed to make sure it was still on 1.

People are on the left in the US are majority against what these two guys are espousing. They are both just discussing various degrees of right wing Zionist talking points.

Yeah you can't get elected in this country without placating a foreign country in Israel & the Israel Lobby. Are you just figuring out both parties are basically the same sans a few wedge issues like abortion? They all answer to the same donors & lobbyists at the end of the day.

As long as we agree on Israel.

@@lumpyrex007 Agree how? Do you mean U.S. tax payers funding socialism for Israel? An ethnostate where interfaith marriage is not recognized & they would never let you become a citizen?

I wish there was 3x😂😂

@@sadface7457 tf are you talking about

Same sides but different perspectives, as equally important.

It's 15 minutes from a 2 hour 20 minute video, they actually disagree about lots of things.

@@SuperVALERock half of the full video was about Israel, I wonder if Lex thought Destiny supported Palestine.

@@joshsigala53 They talked about Israel-Palestine between 56:28 and 1:11:25, barring the occasional mention. That's hardly half of a 2:20:04 video. They talked (and oftentimes disagreed) about lots of topics, such as marriage, American politics and Russia-Ukraine.

What is interesting is how quick people are to point out Israeli war crimes but ignore the blatant crimes of Hamas.

@MustardSkaven There'd be no Hamas without Israel's propping them up to begin with. Israel uses hamas, which stems from the righteous indignation of people who've been systematically pushed off their lands by force. Hamas would NEVER be a thing if the ultimate goal of Israel wasn't to consume the ENTIRETY of Palestine to call it Israel

​@@MustardSkaventhe rapist has the same rights as the victim? Moron

True. Two things can be bad at the same time. Hamas killing Israelis & Israel commiting a genocide is bad. However, American tax payers don't send Palistine billions, Palestine has never attacked or spied on the U.S. like Israel has, they have no lobbying groups that influence U.S. policy & elections. ​@MustardSkaven

In fairness Destiny livestreamed his research and found errors in the UNs reports (which are known by experts also but even so) . The UN also just fired some employees for being part of Hamas and the Oct 7th attacks. The UN also refused to condemn the Oct 7 attacks and only allowed it to be passed with a condemnation of Israel attached, even though they do that almost every year anyway. So they chastised Israel for an attack on their own people. The UN has a heavy bias on this issue and would admit if pressed about their mistakes.

Brett Cooper too is a fast talker the woman in Dailywire, Ben's Coworker.

Ever read the Hamas charter.

Your acting like Palestinians are victims here and have done nothing wrong 😂😂 as if they haven't been firing on average 1000 rockets nearly at isreal for 10+ years 😂😂😂 you had to say you had friends on both sides to mask your bias 😂😂your clearly another brainless pro Palestinian

Hamas accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state separate from Israel -although only provisionally. Its statement on principles and policies said, “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.” Second, it attempted to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist” Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or Jews. The updated platform also lacked all of the anti-Semitic language of the 1988 charter. Third, the document did not reference the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas was originally an offshoot. When hamas breached the wall that day, what did they encounter first? Was it A. Military buildings? B Israel soldiers? Or C. Kibbutz' where civilians live? The answer Is c!!! Kibbutz!! All along that wall? Kibbutz. Civilians homes. Its as if they shielded themselves with civilian homes, right... And a Kibbutz is a community of homes. So right at the wall, Israel built buildings for civilians, all along the perimeter. It seems to most people, that these civilians were human shields, right? Crazy 🤪 😜 So please. Stop lying to people. Give them the 100% truth, or if you yourself didn't know about this updated charter, keep quiet. End of. 🟢⚪️⚫️🔴🤪

@@blacklotusxxxxxx You should write a book with that imagination. Probably in the fantasy niche. Here's a quick thinking game for you: What happens if Israel surrenders vs What happens if Hamas surrenders? (spoiler: only one of them will lead to a massacre)

thank you so much for sharing your experience, these voices sadly have been silenced and marginalised for years, especially by people like shapiro and destiny who love to be in denial

His hatred for Muslims? Where you getting that from? 🤣🤣 You just need to make sh*t up to justify why a liberal would be siding with isreal 🤡🤡🤡 maybe if you acctuly watched destinys full videos you would know this is a bs take. He literally knew nothing about this topic and had no bias when he started doing his research live on Twitch. You could have literally watched him res6this whole topic and then come to his conclusion. But for every Muslim you guys don't need to do any research you guys just mindlessly support Palestine. 2 billion Muslims in the world and only like 15-20 million Jews. Yet isreal still has the support of every big country 😂😂 keep coping kid

Don't worry, they aren't saying anything

no Norman Finkelstein or john mearsheimer

Why just so we can see him lose again like he did to Destiny?

Cenk would just scream at Ben

Cenk is an emotional pubble of tears

Destiny vs Cenk debated Israel/Palestine a few weeks ago, it was quite good I suggest watching that to get an idea... spoiler, Destiny absolutely fucking annihilated him.

Agreed. These idiots also talk so fast that I had to turn the playback speed down to 0.25

​@@squatch545 These idiots thinks and speaks too fast for you to understand..? 😂 Let me guess , you either kiss the ground or started using new pronouns

Hasan watcher detected, opinion rejected

​@squatch545 hassan fan 💀

Cry a bit more

how

It’s also objectively untrue. The populations of nearly the entire region are ready to go to war right now on behalf of the Palestinians

Nobody wanted the gews before WWll either. Gews are projecting.

That's also coincides with their nonsensical argument that the people who are pro-palestine are not really Pro-palestine, but hamas supportering Anti-semites.

Remember when Ben Shapiro said "Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."

No, because it is true. They are radicalized. That is irrefutable. They have tried assassinating MULTIPLE presidents : Lebanon , Egypt , Jordon - that was connected with them. On top, ONLY Israel came up with peace talks. It's because peace is not what they want Meaning, the ONLY way you can be Pro-Palestine is if you agree with : continuing a "forever war" in order to reclaim ALL of Israel So acting like they are innocent is completely delusional

Self defence can never be genocide 😂

@@loosesurfer *Genocide can never be self-defence. There, fixed it for you.

it was self defence on October 7th

@@elite7329 we can argue all day all I know is that for every idf soldier that dies 100s of civilians and hamas fighter are killed so who's winning 🤔

You seriously give a shit what the ICJ pronounces? Does anyone? Would you care if it sided with Israel? Please, don't embarrass yourself.

Destiny canceled his debate with Norman Finkelstein.

@@JamieBar I didn't know that. What was the reason he gave, if any?

@@michaelkennedy5106 So far the only explanation is that it is"postponed."

@@JamieBar lol interesting

Norman has run multiple times from Destiny. If he thought Ben had researched him then he would run again.

The first time the term Palestinians was used dates back to 1896, at that point there was already a national consciousness emerging in opposition to Ottoman rule. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

@@elite7329 The term Palestine can be found in ancient documents to refer to the south Levant. It's just another word like Canaan, Zion, etc. FWIW, there are also plenty of Jewish Palestinians, even though the term is not used in debating. Too bad so many positive interesting cultural historical points get lost due to this conflict.

Overton window shaping

Welcome to reality buddy

No-one argued for that. The civilian casualties are on Hamas. All of them. But you pretend Hamas doesn't exist right, it's all Israel? You're sick.

@@zonianfjb wow aren't you paranoid, my comment has nothing to do with either side of the conflict, and I'm not informed well enough to choose a side, nor do I want to be.

EXACTLY

Good thing that this video wasn't uploaded just for you then

And yet you clicked lmfao

​@@Gecko_Papa Lefties just want ways to be offended at this point.

Centre-Right vs. Neocon hawkish far right The more hawkish side seemed to persuade the Center-Right side in the second half of the video that the Pals. didn't want peace. Part of the unstated logic throughout seems to be that the Pal. side has rejected the other side's terms, therefore the implication seems to be drawn and asserted that this means that the Pal. side doesn't want peace. In reality, one need not draw that conclusions, since the reason for rejecting the terms could be problems with the side's terms rather than the Pal side's desires on the topic of peace per se. Bonell (Destiny) seemed to try to make the contrary argument, ie. that the Isr. side kept building settlements so the Isr. side doesn't want peace either. But Shapiro seemed to respond by bringing Bonell back to Shapiro's earlier stated reasoning about the Pals.

Exactly.

😂😂😂 apartheid

Norman has been ducking Destiny for weeks on this. He'll find a way to weasel out the moment he realises his opponent has researched him.

There are always alternatives.

If you look at dresden you can truely say that the british didn't minimize civilian casualties because they pretty much did indiscriminate bombings. Like the comment above me, it's all relatives, and a comparaison. Especially when you take into account that hamas is purposely taking civilians as human shields

@@bacharbaridi yeah you have no idea what you are talking about and it’s obvious

​@@bacharbaridiIsrael has been proven to use human shields, yet they keep saying Hamas has been using human shields as justification for killing all the civilians.

How much of those 20k are combatants.

They are tho. More Israeli military are dying now as a result of taking more precautions about civilian deaths. He's just said that. Not to mention the warnings they give before airstrikes.

he's very disingenuous

​@@Kopite96 giving warning makes carpet bombing justifiable somehow?

So should they not minimize civilian fatalities I’m confused by ur comment

@@Kopite96So they’re giving warnings and trying to minimize civilian casualties but over 10,000 children have been killed with thousands more under the rubble? Something doesn’t add up

Ben is linked to Mossad, so he is literally paid by Israel to spread their propaganda

Norman Finkelstein has openly said he will not debate Destiny because the doesn't like his debate style. I'd call that being scared.

@@Middlewthe idea of norm finkelstein being scared of debating destiny is actually hilarious bc it’s so absurd

@@Middlew you forgot to mention that Finkelstein has made public videos asking Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson to debate him. Nice cope tho

Finkelstein would lose a debate so badly

Not on this issue

I hold neither of these clowns in high regard. Ben Shapiro: "Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage." Destiny: *unironically advocated for the ethnic cleansing of millions of Palestinians only a couple months ago.*

Lol they're just both pro Israel and anti Palestinian, they are basically repeating the same talking points, but Ben is just more bloodthirsty

Ben is not Israeli, and only Israelis are fighting in this war.

@@rennyskiathitis8178 He's a Zionist. He should go fight. I think pro-Palestinian losers should too. And stop getting us involved in tribal wars.

Same for Hamas, why hide in hospitals and in middle of civilians ? If Hamas can use gaza civilians as human shields why should Israel hold back?

He’s an American what the fuck are you on about lmfao

It didn't come off like a debate you are right, more like a discussion where they focused on certain issues that they tended to have different takes or interpretations about.

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These are comments for people who don't actually watch the video

​@@azzwort No it's not

I have shallow knowledge on the topic, i wanna say that upfront. Is there a reason the Palestinians have repeatedly turned down deals to establish a Palestinian stare that Isreal was on board with 4/5 times in the past 80 years? They’ve rejected every deal that would have secured their independence

@@trentirvin2008 that’s a reasonable question to ask. The answer is because every deal they’ve been offered either had limitations on their sovereignty and/or further carved up the land that they wanted for a state. We’ve been fed this idea that they’ve turned down fantastic deals in the past, but the offers themselves were not in good faith and unrealistic. Their position has been to continue to negotiate but Israel’s rightward political lurch sent the country into the militaristic maniacal state we see now.

@@chlorophyllmorelikeboraphy6874 i’ll read more into the land partitioning of those proposals. Its hard finding helpful information about the area since the splitting of palestinian land is for some odd reason disconnected. And knowing what areas are rich or devoid of natural resources etc

The debate wasn't only about Israel Palestine, finding one spot where there is relative agreement in a larger debate is fine.

This is only part of a bigger debate. This happens to be a topic they largely agree on, cause they are both intelligent.

problem is doesn't matter how smart u are, if you're biased you're judgment is compromised and both are biased, one is a militant atheist who hates Islam the other is a Zionist religious jew who also hates Islam, Christopher Hitchens even though he was critical of Islam and even supported toppling radical dictatorships in the middle east like Iraq (and was Jewish), he still stood with the Palestinians, because all u have to do is dissociate yourself and your beliefs from the situation and then examine it, if u still suspect you're being biased then try to flip it the other way around, what if it was arabs who send one of their ethnic groups into Israel, started taking the land and put jews under occupation and apartheid, would people be critical of an oct 7 against a Palestinian state in that case? would they say the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?@@MustardSkaven

When you use words like "apartheid" when apartheid is impossible in an occupation you ended the conversation. Not in a good way. Define "apartheid". And explain how your definition of apartheid is a good representation of the actual Apartheid in SA.@@AymanHussein-ci4cu

"The term “apartheid” was originally used to refer to a political system in South Africa which explicitly enforced racial segregation, and the domination and oppression of one racial group by another." being under occupation and apartheid are not exclusive to one another, all the human rights groups present inside and outside of Israel and Palestine (including Israeli human rights organizations) described the state at which Palestinian live under as "apartheid", the people who themselves the word was coined after, the black South Africans, and their most prominent leader, Nelson Mandela, have also described it as "apartheid", you want an example, ill give u one, did you know that although over 90% of underground water in that region is under Palestinian territory (in the west bank), almost 87% of that water goes to Israelis while only 13% goes to Palestinians, it doesn't stop there no, Palestinians are also prohibited from pumping water themselves AND prohibited from collecting it in any shape or form even RAINWATER, good example? tell me if you need a better one there's many. @@MustardSkaven

They've been trying. He's afraid.

Who is afraid? Shapiro is a warmonger!

Those people were un-wanted for being too succesful, not for being a failed, badly indoctrinated, blood thirsty society...

@@David-xh5df with your home occupied and with no other place to go and your everyday lives controlled and dominated by the occupation with no end in sight.

@@David-xh5df 1 stop illegal settlement in the West Bank, 2 stop settler violence against Palestinian families, 3 provide the same living standard and quality of life to Palestinians as you do to Jews.4 treat them equally under the law as you do with Jews. By doing these things the Israeli government is providing a future for the Palestinians.

@@David-xh5df No 124 hasn't been done is the main reason why Hamas existed with the support of many of the Palestinians. here is my proofwww.btselem.org/sites/default/files/styles/1200x440/public/2021-01/202101_this_is_apartheid_eng_top_1.jpg.

@@David-xh5df kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edV2ncWf29HRgWQ.html

Bassem would lose his cool quickly. It'd be better to have Coleman Hughes on because he keeps his cool which would enrage Bassem.

@@colinreese Lmfao where have you seen Bassem lose his cool? That’s nonsense.

​@@colinreeseBassem would destroy Ben with his knowledge calm and understanding.

@@malgok9733 Eh, i think non-arabs and non-jews need to debate eachother on the topic. Arabs and jews are way to biased. or we can have an anti-israel jew debating an anti-palestine arab. But a pro-palestine arab debating a pro-israel jew is useless. Neither will concede to nuance.

@@colinreese Coleman Hughes and Ben wouldn't be a debate because they both have the same ideological belief on the issues. Coleman's knowledge is very limited on this issue also. Norman Finkelstein and John Mearsheimer are two heavyweights on the issues.

Same here

He wouldn’t debate destiny. He kept running

@@patapon646 You mean both Destiny and Shapiro ran away from debating Finkelstein.

@@driftFDkeep telling yourself that

@@patapon646 Finkelstein is 70 yrs old and has been covering this issue since 1982 - longer than both Shapiro and Destiny have been alive, and is among the leading academic scholars on the conflict. After 42 years of expertise he is justifiably going to want to debate someone who he deems reputable as an expert on the matter, which Destiny self-admittedly states he isn't. Finkelstein has called out Shapiro, however, who is the one running.

@@Quaquadaqu i don't have to tell myself, it's factual.