Is Divination Always Reliable?

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Benebell Wen

Benebell Wen

11 ай бұрын

Mary K. Greer’s 2023 Jul. 24 post about the group reading exercise: / pfbid02kvj3bdmgyaa7oe6...
The Masters of the Tarot Conference at Omega Institute (me recounting my 2019 and 2023 experiences): benebellwen.com/2023/07/20/th...
Q#1: Is a divinatory reading always reliable?
Q#2: If a querent presents the same question to five different readers and gets five very different answers, what is your theory of reconciliation? How do you reconcile that?
Q#3: If we see a set spread of cards that hypothetically answers some divinatory question and five different readers interpret that same spread of cards five different ways, what is your metric for determining who is right and who is wrong?

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@fairday8587
@fairday8587 11 ай бұрын
Okay, so, I have a friend who is a mentally ill teenager, who has a hard time visualizing things, imagining scenarios, plotting possible outcomes.. you know.. doing the sort of future forecasting we all do everyday just as part of normal daily life before resorting to divination. Given the nature of life, that fills her with fear. She finds that tarot readings help her with this... I'd like to believe that they just serve to help her think things through but over time she's becoming more and more reliant on their accuracy so this topic hits home. For the purpose of this conversation though, what it means is, I've done literally hundreds of readings for her, on the same questions. Sometimes more than once in a day. I give her the speech about not asking the same question over and over in such a short amount of time, but.. she doesn't care. I give her the speech about the future not being set in stone, she doesn't care. She asks other readers some of these same questions and gives me the answers and wants me to double check my results and theirs. Seeing all these questions over and over again, I can see writ very broadly just how important the fact of bias is. It permeates everything. It's been a nice confirmation about my ability to set myself aside and it's helped me be even better at that, but it's not possible to be completely divorced from it and its amazing how many readers don't even try, or care to try as they feel that their bias is part of the psychic message. I have run across some readers for instance, for whom every knight is an evil lustful horn dog who just wants sex. (Remember when a knight was a good guy, rescuing people, fighting for right?) Just looking at the hundreds of readings I've done on the same questions for her.. and how many different answers, how many different variations of the cards come up has given me a lot to think about. It does seem like over the long term a lot of patterns begin to form and show up that tell a larger story than just a three card reading or evening an opening of the key can show. (None of which seem to matter to her as she wants to know about now and tomorrow, not... the super big picture). I have found that the only way to make sense of seeming contradictions is to look into the big picture and to look at where meanings of cards overlap, to get a sense of how the nuance of a situation changes from moment to moment and then to try and dig down past nuance to the real issue. Sometimes in these seeming contradictions there are deep connections at the core... and a lot of contradictions seem to reflect the fact that people, readers, seekers and people she wants to know things about are also very self contradictory. It's funny how often we don't recognize the contradictions in our own personalities. Also... when doing a lot of reading for a lot of people in a row, if I start seeing a group of cards come up over and over again I tend to look at the astrological correspondences, check what's going on astrologically and find that indeed, a lot of people are going through similar things at the same time due to those influences. This doesn't help my friend, she is certain that she is the only one going through what she is going through, teenagers huh? I suspect that.. this would be true of all sorts of other influences, social class, what's going on in a community politically, the state of the economy. I have been seeing a lot of cards lately that seem to point to deep childhood family influences. (Thank you Doctor Freud ha ha ha). In any event. I think the answers that you raise in this video must point us to larger and larger pictures to help us get a grip on the smaller, more personal scenarios. In the end I think knowing what will happen is probably less important than why it will happen.
@fer-uf2oj
@fer-uf2oj 11 ай бұрын
Incredibly thorough and challenging as always, Miss Wen. Your videos never fail to leave me awestruck at how committed you are with the quality of the knowledge you share whilst doing it with such transparency and integrity. Truly, watching/reading you always inspires me to work towards my goals. Thank you for all your efforts and sharing! I can’t wait for your upcoming book. As for your questions, I’m not sure I have an answer, as I don’t use tarot often enough to have a personal experience that can answer that. But I feel like, whether it’s through tarot or other means, when you ask the same question, you usually get the same answer. If you ask too many times you still get the same answer but now with a hint of mockery
@TarotTherapeia
@TarotTherapeia 11 ай бұрын
I am increasingly convinced that accurate readings depend upon the capacity of the diviner to read ‘with’ the client and not ‘for’ the client. Determining accuracy is about the degree of resonance for the client. It is more a collaboration between the diviner, the client, the cards, the question and the moment. The universe is ever in flux and so are we, thus the reading will vary even if all the other variables are static. I agree it’s more like the subjective engagement with art. I also think we confuse intuition with a lot of other inherent and learned attributes. It’s one of those concepts that I think many people agree upon but few could differentiate. It makes me think of the phenomenon in the fairy tale The Emperors New Clothes. Unpopular opinion I know but critically examining our assumptions paves the way for understanding. Love your work Benebell ❤️
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
Though I wonder-- then what about general readings where there is no question presented, and the querent simply sits down and asks you to get started, where a reader wouldn't get any supplemental information at all. But many readers have found that such general readings still turn out to be really accurate, or have this very high potential of being invaluable reading experiences. But those types of readings aren't collaborative at all. Hmm.. Very good points here though! Thank you!
@TarotTherapeia
@TarotTherapeia 11 ай бұрын
@@BenebellWen I think the question is there even if it’s not spoken or conscious. Perhaps also why at times the question asked is not the question answered. Esther at Mindful Tarot had this great perspective too that she didn’t come to tarot to give her answers, she came to tarot to give her questions. Not spread questions of course but critical questions of personal inquiry.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
Q#1: Is a divinatory reading always reliable? Q#2: If a querent presents the same question to five different readers and gets five very different answers, what is your theory of reconciliation? How do you reconcile that? Q#3: If we see a set spread of cards that hypothetically answers some divinatory question and five different readers interpret that same spread of cards five different ways, what is your metric for determining who is right and who is wrong?
@UncoverTheBones
@UncoverTheBones 11 ай бұрын
For Q3, I’m of the mind that the person who pulled the cards would be the one who can most accurately interpret them. I’ve found I pull different cards to answer the same inquiry as someone else and we’ve arrived at the same conclusion. A friend and I pulled cards side-by-side to work through a question they had and that’s exactly what happened. Tarot is so amazing!❤
@alessandroburchi5406
@alessandroburchi5406 5 ай бұрын
A#1: Depends... Somehow, someone is asking a question and the Problem is in a relationship with the Solution. Can we say that the answer is the question? A#2: those five different answers are like a choir of a unique answer A#3: to decide if someone is correct or incorrect, One could feel those words and then listen the reaction within, the inner truth. Each One of them is sharing their 100% inner Truth, that is relative, not Absolute... The solutions will be unsolved in the necessary resolution of that precise moment of authentic perceptions. Thank you Benebell Wen! ❣️
@stuartshrigley-wightman4563
@stuartshrigley-wightman4563 11 ай бұрын
I have found that intent is important to how we approach the reading/ the sacred act of divination. But also I always have to be aware of the fact that i can not remove me the reader/ me - the filter/ lense is always going to influence it. I can not but do that. That’s where training and self development comes in. I have to always monitor me in the dynamic. Our ego bias our personal, opinions and experience is always going to have to be filtered through. Like sunlight through stained glass. I’ve found I’ve had times where I have completely connected and read without me influencing I guess what you would call a clinical reading. Other times I’ve been too involved/ triggered. By the question and the unfolding of the reading. I guess that’s where transparency comes in. Is intuition/ psychic ability is always going to have to be filtered through our human experience/ ego. So no it cannot always be right. Again that’s where I feel personal development again comes in. We are human- in that we are a soul experiencing a human experience so we need to learn to be a hollow bone- get out of the way. Five readers are going to see five different view points. We all experience life from our point of view. We may all hit on the question but come from different view points. Lol I think I make sense.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
You definitely make sense! Very thoughtful perspective!
@user-co2ds3ox5u
@user-co2ds3ox5u 11 ай бұрын
Great conversation to have and challenge our little brains. Fortune telling would have to be the hardest thing to do - most people don't believe you can. I believe we are not in control of what is happening ever. Although it may seem otherwise. Our bodies and minds are composed of the five elements and other things that run the show. God, or spirit, life force is inside quietly watching, unseen and unrecognised. To divine really is a divine practice. Treat with respect and see what happens. Good or bad, right and wrong are all biases and concepts. Tell it like you see it regardless and be happy you get to play ☺️
@InternetSumerian-le6rp
@InternetSumerian-le6rp 7 ай бұрын
The Book of Changes is fascinating to me and I never lose interest in it because simply understanding the mathematical patterns in it has been a puzzle for decades. Many different people bring different pieces of the puzzle together, for example I do not speak Chinese but some of the Chinese is so old it is like trying to read a book in English from the year 400 AD. Some people use it as divination, others understand it as a reflection of your inner being and inner mind like Carl Jung
@BrianSullivanopus125
@BrianSullivanopus125 11 ай бұрын
This is a question that has haunted me for a long time. It even inspired me to tweet you a question whether you had a ritual that you performed before casting The I Ching. I then remembered the incantation in your private translation of the I Ching Book of Changes that you privately released with one of your programmes. It seems to me that changing once word in a question can change the energetic tone of a potential casting. Often writing down, or clearly defining, the underlying issue beneath the question helps me get meaningful results. I use the I-Ching for deep reflection. A process that takes too long for interpersonal divination. I have found that spiritual transformation is found in the spaces between the contradictions. Much as Music is made possible through silence and meaning in the spaces between the words of a sacred text, or even by meditating the very obvious contradictions in a narrative. Not able to speak Chinese. I use multiple translations and meditate on the images, words and symbols that connect to me. For example, I use the Buddhist -Ching of the 17th century as well as Taoist translations. Rather than see Yi expressing fatalistic changes, I see the oracle as a Book of Transformations, focusing on the intent of the primary Change line.
@walters8748
@walters8748 11 ай бұрын
These are my immediate thoughts to your questions-I'll be curious to see how they'll change once I've watched your video. 1) Memento Mori-to that end, all divinatory readings can or will be accurate in time as long as the human experience and the readings are bound by that reality. 2) "I mark the hours, every one. nor have i yet outrun the sun."-if you should ask the same question five times to five different people, you will never have asked all five questions at the same time. I would not think of the five questions like the same note but more as a chord or several notes that fall one after the other within a song. Knowing the pitch, the tempo, the genre, the scale or maqam, the tunes, the influences-if some one wants to live their life within Wagner and Beethoven, it would not be unheard of to suppose the next notes played might offer a variation though there might be an octave range in-between. So if the next stanzas the readers present are within the realm of western classical-I would not question too hard, which is wholly different from a reader predicting a sudden downshift into do-re-mi, a koto, or gnarly ripping guitar solo mixed with experimental urban conscious rap. But even if a reader does do such a dramatic shift in reading, I would take the divination, inference, prediction as suggestions, supposing that its use and value would depend more on what is to be done than what is predicted. 3) Metric for determining who is right and who is wrong? I would say there's no magic bullet, save for time-and even then only in an ad hoc manner. But I suppose it depends on which reading you'd like to give power to as "we have to be idealists, in a way-because then we wind up as the true, the real realists."
@Peekaboorose
@Peekaboorose 11 ай бұрын
Whoa, what a challenging group exercise you participated in! My brain would've been melting 🤣 And I love the PJ pants. They match your top (my fashionista fantasy self is all about mixing patterns) 🩵
@elsolslb
@elsolslb 11 ай бұрын
Q#1: I think there is a wide range of possibilities for this answer. Like a line graph or spectrum on variables such as the reader's experience, their ability to gain intuitive information, and the querent's feelings toward the reading. I have done readings for some who have not felt happy with the reading I gave them, probably because they didn't hear what they wanted to hear. I do love it though when I find out months later that my reading was indeed accurate ^_^. I personally feel that it is extremely rare to have a reading that is 100% accurate. Often times when I get a reading done for myself from another psychic, there are moments where somethings said doesn't fully resonate with me or just doesn't "feel" right to me. For example, I had to stop a reader halfway through their intuitive information dump because she kept saying that a girl was going to come into my life as a romantic interest, and I had to explain that I'm actually gay and it would be a man if anything at all. I don't fault the reader for that at all, because I personally feel that the message was delivered but maybe not at 100% accuracy, which I'm totally ok with. Q#2: I could understand why a querent would want the same reading done from multiple sources, especially if it is based on a topic that means a lot to them. I would say then for the querent to self-reflect and make sure that they are not getting multiple readings just so that they eventually get the answer they want... other than that, I think gathering the information that is similar from each reading might be a good indication that at least that part of the readings is true. Q#3: I personally feel that a reading should have intention for the card spread when cast. A 3-card spread for example may mean different things to different readers (past, present, future or 3 cards for the next three months, etc.) But for the sake of the question I would say it falls on the querent and their own gut feelings to determine which parts of the readings resonate with them, or can play the wait and see game and see which outcome ends up happening. The way I cast my cards is unique because I developed my own system that works for me, and my readings are heavy with intuition interpretation instead of traditional meanings of the cards. So I don't ever expect another reader to interpret my spreads the same way I would. What a fun thought exercise!
@sadiespencer8767
@sadiespencer8767 11 ай бұрын
Question 1: kind of? I like the artist analogy. If you asked 5 artists "construct an animal with big floppy ears and a long nose and also make it very big" you would get 5 different pictures, maybe a sculpture, maybe a song, depending on the artist's personal medium. They'd all be "right" if the artists followed instructions (another caveat) but they would all be different.
@augusthavince8909
@augusthavince8909 11 ай бұрын
Poll 1: I think that the reliability comes from the reader. The cards are so full of symbols and layered meanings. If a reader can pick up on some personality traits and indicators of the querent, certain things in the cards will stand out and be interpreted. Add awareness of current zeitgeist and events, and even mysterious intuitions of subtle things that couldn't be rationally figured out, and a reader could be very accurate. Poll 2: The five different readers may be attuned to very different aspects of living. I guess if a querent is asking for a very specific answer (which I understand isn't usually how it's supposed to be done, or maybe I've heard wrong), it may be a moral value based reading. Kind of like the power dynamic or cheating examples you gave. Each reader will speak according to their values. Also, each reader may point to differing paths to take according to their values. One may point to a path that is simpler to take, and so very little advice is given. But another reader may point to a path that is fraught with complexities and pitfalls, but will give the advice necessary to navigate it successfully. It could be a matter of a reader being sensitive to another's intuition, that maybe the querent is too distracted by so many things in life that they want someone else to get an answer. Maybe the reader is picking up on the querent's aspiration, confidence, all the cons of the situation, basically the querent's intuition. So the reader is picking up on the vibes of the querent as the querent is talking about the issue in question. The reader empathizes all the above psychological experiences and that will inform how the divination is read. Though, the I Ching seems pretty definite in its answers, forcing the reader to consider the complexities of the path forward, or the querent already has considered what to do in any situation. They just needed a second opinion on the direction to go. Poll 3: Who is right is whom the querent favors. Really, if a querent is getting bad results from following a specific reader, then that reader is probably wrong again. It may be a matter of finding a reader that a querent is comfortable being with or the reader is able to read them well.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
Ooh, I really like your reasoning in Poll 2, perhaps a bit like the fable of the five blind men touching five different parts of an elephant to describe what the entire elephant feels like.
@Ethony
@Ethony 11 ай бұрын
This is so great something really chunky to think about. Also! I LIVE in my PJ Pants so relatable content.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
😅😅 since the pandemic I have pretty much been living in my pajama pants as well 😅😅
@karensorrentino9498
@karensorrentino9498 11 ай бұрын
I’ve been studying different systems for just under 2 years and I’ve wondered about this. I’m not sure I can fully articulate my thoughts, but I’ll give it a go. If the diviner is sincere and has developed a shared language with the collective consciousness, then I don’t think there is a right or wrong. I think it is what it is at the time of the reading and the interpretation is what the querent was meant to hear at that moment. If the experiment is with different diviners and each one provides a different interpretation, then that is what is meant to be heard by the querent. If the information is in conflict, then it’s up to the querent to use their free will a/o their intuition to decide how to best use this information. Think about how often a querent provides feedback regarding accuracy only to have interpreted your interpretation in a way that makes sense for them. This confused me at first, but as an “interpreter” I’m a conduit and I interpret the message based on how it makes sense to me (including my filters -experiences, culture, etc). The querent then receives this interpretation and tries to make sense of it based on their filters.
@aure.antharas
@aure.antharas 9 ай бұрын
Q1: I can’t say anything is ever sure/reliable/set. We live in a world of probabilities (yay my science background) so I typically aproach any reading as „giving the most possible answer/outcome at a given moment”, but never say it is like I said. I also agree with other readers commenting that many factors may influence the reading (querent lust for a specific answer being one of the most troublesome). Q2: Maybe it’s too simple of an answer, but I just look for patterns. Seemingly different answers may still reveal some more general common principles. Honestly, I don’t recomend to „just take what resonates” (I know it’s quite unpopular opinion of mine), because many times „what resonates” is just „what we want to hear”. Q3: I’d go for this the same way as for Q2. Patterns and underlying energy. I’d just go a layer below what they say in spoken words. But let me explain something, because without that my answers may sound a little weird :) I do not read any divination tool in an academic fashion. I mean I can and I know all the meanings of Tarot cards etc. but, honestly, academic aproach always goes through the window when I try to read. What I do (and many other readers too, some more, some less) is channeling. The way it looks in my case is just pure download of information straight to my mind. But in my experience the information itself, the idea that is being presented is always way way more than can be translated into our spoken language. So I can do my best to translate it, but I will never be able to give the full picture. This is why I like the idea of divination being like an art. Imagine students in an art class and they are tasked with picturing an apple. One will emphasize the colors and shapes, another will focus on lines, angles and edges. But still, the underlying idea is an apple. Hope that makes sense :) Love you all!
@morighani
@morighani 8 ай бұрын
i think it’s also a matter of the limits of the divinatory tools we’re using
@tigerjin6086
@tigerjin6086 11 ай бұрын
On repeatedly casting on the same question: In the Septuigant (and only in the Septuigant) there is a scene where King Saul seems to be repeatedly casting the Urim and Thummim until he got (what he perceived to be) a clear answer (1 Samuel 14:41). In this scene he eventually gets the real answer and one he does not like. The Urim and Thummim was how the Old Testament patriarchs "enquired of the Lord (anytime you see that language in the Old Testament they were using this mysterious divination device). So, here we have an instance of someone repeatedly casting to get a straight answer from literally God and he does eventually answer.
@kale9196
@kale9196 11 ай бұрын
To answer those questions, I think it's important to understand how different tarot readers do their readings. For me, I am not a psychic. I operate in readings by inviting spirit guides to join the reading, and I ask them to speak to me and the querent through the cards. I approach it like a conversation between a spirit guide with the querent, while I am the spirit guide's interpreter. My readings are not meant to give answers, but to give the querent perspectives to consider so they make their own decisions. Q#1 With that in mind, there are three parties in each of my readings - the spirit guide(s), me, and the querent. Now think of you approaching two friends of yours to ask for advice - are any of your friends advices reliable? How would you tell if its reliable? Similarly, the spirit guide and me speaking will each have our own biases and recommendations - there is only reliability that the querent can "feel" the recommendation is what they want to do or what they dont want to do. EVEN IF the reading I provided was not what the querent wanted, I have given them something they know they don't want, and that itself will be some sort of lesson for them. There is reliability in that whatever message is received, a lesson will be learnt. Q#2 Lets say this querent approaches 5 different tarot readers that read similarly as I do - again, it all boils down to the querent's choice. All 5 of us are providing perspective. Whether the querent decides to follow only one or follow all of the perspectives given, they each serve different purposes. Q#3 Similarly, I don't apply "right and wrong" to messages received in readings. Each reading serves their own purpose and carries certain biases. Not all tarot readers read the same, and not all tarot readers approach the same "spirit guide" when reading. Expanding on that, all tarot readers have different levels of understanding the messages given by the same spirit guide. My belief is that I should never decide for the querent, because the choice should always be in the querent's hands. I guess the best metric of "right" and "wrong" would be the perspective that the querent is waiting to hear. But i believe the "unwanted" perspective also serves as confirmation for the querent that it will be something they don't want, further helping them get closer to their answer.
@brokeheartwolf3733
@brokeheartwolf3733 11 ай бұрын
Always 🦉🦉🦉from you🙏🙏🙏👍🏼👍🏼❤️☯️
@leenbee17
@leenbee17 11 ай бұрын
I have a tarot friend who has always given great general readings but when I ask about a potential partner, she always advises me that it is better to stay single, which she has done happily for many years. I don't go to her for relationship readings. She's a great reader otherwise. If you came and asked if you should cheat on your partner, I would put my bias against it in a reading because I've seen how much it devastates a person first-hand. Yes, we do influence the reading as readers and I think it depends on what questions are asked. I loved your insightful video. Much food for thought.
@ngonfinda9606
@ngonfinda9606 11 ай бұрын
The only option that matters is the castor if they know what they are doing and are in tune with spirit.
@amber.cartomancer
@amber.cartomancer 11 ай бұрын
Yes!❤
@marygreer4036
@marygreer4036 11 ай бұрын
This is an intriguing discussion with lots to think about. Thank you for taking on some of the issues talked about or implied by the teachers and participants at the Masters of Tarot workshop at the Omega Institute earlier this July. I once wrote an affirmative answer to the question “Are the cards always right?” I’m no longer so sure but I do know that neuroscience has definitively shown that intuition is not always right but we can learn to increase its accuracy. I do see individual bias coming up in sample readings in Internet forums. In classes where we meet every week I do test cases where we ask questions where a definitive result will be know in a week or two. Yes/no predictions tend to have a 50-50 result, although there is often one or two people in every class who are consistently more accurate. One woman asked for a reading on what would come when she went to take care of her recently deceased father’s finances. The cards seemed to predict an expected upwelling of grief etc. The following week she demanded to know why we hadn’t warned her that when she went to close his bank accounts that she would be in an armed bank robbery! However as we delved into the cards and the events of the robbery more closely, she came to some profound healing moments that included healing childhood memories of her father. It is these kinds of experiences, rather than right-or-wrong that I cherish the most.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I remember you talking about those classes and weekly test cases with the 50/50 result, but that about 1% of the class population seem to exhibit far greater consistent accuracy than others. Thank you for that memorable and provocative small group exercise. I and a lot of the attendees really enjoyed it and have continued to chatter and reflect on it long after the event!
@jaimeoleary6741
@jaimeoleary6741 11 ай бұрын
Q2: Comment on topic around 18:25, querents asking the same question over and over: In my experience, when someone keeps asking the same question repeatedly, they don't like the answer they're getting in the reading. This tells me that there is an outcome they are hoping for and they think the more they ask, eventually they will get the answer they want to receive. Querents in this headspace usually have blinders on when it comes to whatever I tell them anyway and can be a bit headstrong about actually hearing how I am interpreting their cards, i.e., what the cards are actually telling them. So, when this happens to me, I try redirecting the conversation I have with the querent during the reading as to why this is and pulling cards on that instead. Are they wanting permission to do something or go in a direction they either know is wrong or will upset or hurt people in their life? What is the outcome they want and why do they feel that would be best for them? While sometimes my delivery of this kind of twist on their repeated question may be blunt and not appreciated (depending on the personality of the person), it definitely gets them thinking about their motivations and what actions they can take to create the life they want or perhaps to change their perspective on why they are so headstrong and stubborn on their specific desired outcome. Q1: As to whether or not divination is always reliable: My brain is still chewing on this question. I am leaning towards yes, but there are variables to consider. A few of which could be from the the talent of the reader, both natural and learned, their experiences, how they form their questions to the divination tool, to their state of mind on any given day. Q3: Again, to me (in my humble opinion), it all comes back to the reader: their perspective, life experiences, biases, knowledge base and talents means so much here. Is the reader also a medium and therefore do channeled messages come into play? I feel from the reader's perspective, from their point of view, at that point in time, they are all correct in their interpretation. Perhaps one reader overlooks a card combination that another fully focuses on. Does that mean that the reader who focused on something else is wrong? No, personally I don't think they are. Their focus was simply drawn else where and they went with it. How often have I had a reading done or given one where the answers were odd or weren't clear right away, only to look back once life plays out to see that, yeah, the cards were spot on, but my interpretation of them may have been off or that there was a variable to life I couldn't see at the time which increased the accuracy of the reading. Hindsight's 20/20 right?
@jamesnammack7535
@jamesnammack7535 11 ай бұрын
When used correctly, it is impossible for the Universe to make a mistake about itself through any oracle. With tarot cards, I always riffle shuffle and double-cut the deck at least fifteen times. In this way, my tarot card readings have been 100 percent accurate 100 percent of the time. In some cases I have made mistakes of interpretation, but the cards were always correct. But to make sure that my readings are always 100 percent accurate, I use a random number generator to select the cards, runes, hexagrams, or whatever other oracle I am using. In this way, not only are my divinations 100 percent accurate 100 percent of the time, but my divinations only take an instant to perform.
@greysector1330
@greysector1330 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for putting this subject up, allways wondered how far one can take an interpratation, just got your I Ching book, love it ! What's the I Ching book you held up in the video?
@lessonlearner9788
@lessonlearner9788 11 ай бұрын
I find it interesting that both divinations compliment each other. Sometimes when I want to really to get down to brass tax, I use a bunch of divination methods and they almost always compliment each other, offer insights that I would have never have interpreted. It's also interesting how if you use different tarot decks they seem to be almost the same as using different methods😂 But my favorite is to use runes with the Tarot they're like cousins to me
@tigerjin6086
@tigerjin6086 11 ай бұрын
@BenebellWen Q#1: Is a divinatory reading always reliable? No. I do believe in spoiling the casting. If the caster is distracted, thinking of something else, or the casting mechanics go awry (cards falling out, or the tools hitting an object or falling where they shouldn't) the casting should be redone. This also means we can't always know if the casting was poor. If the caster was thinking of a tv show when casting we don't know. If everything went correct with the casting, then it is always reliable. "Lots are cast into the lap, but they are disposed of by the Lord. " Q#2: If a querent presents the same question to five different readers and gets five very different answers, what is your theory of reconciliation? How do you reconcile that? Most diviners suck. But the scenario at your conference where it was all experienced pros is concerning. It might be possible to logically reconcile some answers ("they don't contradict, so they are all true") but, if it's "yes, no, maybe, unclear, ask again" that's a real problem. I would want to pin the problem on the querant, casting, or question. Because, otherwise, I can't see how you get contradictory answers. In your scenario, I want to say the problem is that it was not a real situation being asked about so it was not a correct divination, it was something made for a test. #3: If we see a set spread of cards that hypothetically answers some divinatory question and five different readers interpret that same spread of cards five different ways, what is your metric for determining who is right and who is wrong? Experience. And not just as a diviner. Many questions require life and work experience to answer well (obvious examples are in professional fields). If there's someone with little life experience, but lots of divination experience, I would sooner go with the life veteran who is also a diviner. A diviner with an eccentric approach to divination I would also question. So, if it was an astrology read, and one of the guys is answering with his Uranian Astrology dial, I would go with the guys with their placidius charts over him. Specific interpretations over general interpretations. I do think many diviners who can't be specific cannot read. It's not intentional on their part, but it's that they can't get past the basics. The diviners with more specific and bold reads I will trust over someone just giving the dictionary definition of the read.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
I think I align a lot with your perspective re: Q#1. As for Q#2, I actually see it as very probable that such a scenario would happen, just statistically speaking. We say some cards in the deck have fairly “definitive” established yay or nay meanings, but then a lot of the cards in the deck do not. And what if we introduce reversals? If a classically “positive” card is reversed, some read that as “no” while others read that as “yes, but delayed.” Thank you for your insights though! These points are very thought-provoking.
@toadstooltarot
@toadstooltarot 11 ай бұрын
I am in the habit of doing the same generic reading every day which is a 3 card open reading posed to 4 different decks, the question being “what do I need to know today?” I often get mutually agreeable guidance across all the decks and will often get the same card appearing more than once calling my attention to focus on its predominance.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
After posting this video where I said I saw agreement across my 3-card tarot reading and I Ching reading, I reflected, questioned again and am now wondering if I only SAW the agreement, and wholly ignored the disagreement. Hmm... I wonder how much of it is us cherry picking what to focus our attention on and what to dismiss. Anyway, I really like the exercise of a 3-card open reading posed to 4 different decks! I'm going to try it sometime!
@toadstooltarot
@toadstooltarot 11 ай бұрын
2 of my 4 decks are major arcana decks which does increase the odds of a repeat card, though it doesn't always come from those decks. And usually a repeating card will show up in a different spot in the spread (although I'm not sure that matters in a 3-card spread it can read differently according to its relation to the other cards.) @@BenebellWen
@RayTomlin
@RayTomlin 11 ай бұрын
While I've only started reading Tarot, I've read the Runes for almost 30 years... and While I do think intuitive information is for the most part always accurate, the lens it is seen through can be blurry. For example, I've taken quite a few classes and workshops on Remote Viewing (fancy term for Clairvoyance with specific restrictions) And many times while everyone can successfully get the "ohh yea that's what that is" it is very very rare that the drawn image looks exactly like the photo from the envelope. Most of the time things are flipped one way or another, shapes are abstracted.. ect.. I think all Psychic readings are dealing with the same restrictions. The lens we see though or understand our intuition through doesn't always give the highest clarity. I always welcome second or even 10 other interpretations because my experiences don't always see things the same as someone else does.
@lauren.xo01
@lauren.xo01 11 ай бұрын
I've done 411 readings on Etsy, got a feedback rating of 4.8. most ppl don't give actual feedback to say if I'm right or wrong, a few have said my readings haven't resonated, others have said it did resonate or it was correct. It's not an exact science, I interpret the cards the way I think they should be interpreted, I usually don't ask for a lot of details before pulling cards, usually someone will ask a simple question like will I get a job soon/will my ex call me/should I sell my land. I answer based on what cards come out. I do simple yes/no readings, I have timing cards I use so for example someone might ask when can I move out of of home. I also do Celtic crosses, 2 and 3 card spreads. It's a bit hit and miss, you never know if something is going to resonate until you deliver the message
@JackChanek
@JackChanek 11 ай бұрын
What a thought-provoking video! My answers to your questions: A#1: Ye Gods, no, divinatory reading is not always reliable. Divination is an interpretive art and not a predictive science. Each system has its own conventions of interpretation which help to keep things on the rails, but sometimes divination is wrong. Nonetheless, I think that divination is accurate on the whole, and certainly more accurate than blind guesswork. We don't need to demand 100% accuracy from it in order for it to be legitimate and worth our while. A#2: This depends in part on the skill and experience of the readers involved. Given contradictory readings, I'd likely give more weight to ones that come from seasoned professionals versus absolute beginners. Beyond that, though, I don't know that I do have a clear reconciliation theory. Supposing that a querent goes to six equally qualified readers for a yes/no question, and gets three clear "yes" readings and three clear "no" readings, I don't have a clear way to say which answer is better. I would probably default to trusting the first reading the querent received. It's for this reason that I don't recommend getting multiple readings on the same topic without a change in circumstances--not because "the divine" will fail to treat the question seriously, but because doing so will only muddy the waters. I think divinatory ritual relies implicitly (and sometimes explicitly, as with horary astrology) on asking a question in the right place at the right time, so as a querent, the best thing you can do is to ask the question once and trust that that's the correct place and time. A#3: This is why I harp so much on standard (or semi-standard) card meanings. I think they give us a shared vocabulary that helps prevent exactly this sort of thing. Yes, different readers will see different nuances in the same set of cards, the same way that different people will have different perspectives on any situation, but we should all agree on the core facts. If you ask for a yes/no reading and I draw the Tower and the Five of Swords, readers should generally be in agreement that the answer is no, even if we have different things to say about exactly what's going on. Having a shared vocabulary means that different (qualified) readers interpreting the same cards will pick up on broadly similar themes. The differences in their interpretation, then, are not a matter of divinatory information contradicting itself, but of different people having different things to say about the same information--which is just as much the case in mundane counsel as it is in divination.
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
Hi Jack! How’ve you been? Love your point re: A#1. As for A#2, yes, I so agree. I think there’s something in the fundamental premise in horary astrology (i.e., asking the Q at the right place at the right time to the right reader) that can be used to explain repeated divination in general, as you said. If I got six readings from six different qualified readers and the net result is a draw, the reconciliation will be which of those six was the “right place, right time, right reader” one. But since I have “no way” of knowing that, going “just once” makes the most sense. Even with a shared vocabulary of card meanings, there are a lot of cards in the deck, especially combinations of cards where it’s not as unambiguous as, say, The Tower, Ten of Swords, or the Ace of Cups, where it would be conceivable that one qualified reader interprets the card combo as “yes, most likely” and another qualified reader interprets that same card combo as “no, probably not.” Though I do like your point that it’s not about right or wrong, as another commenter here pointed out-it’s about different people having different things to say, different perspectives on the same issue.
@kolorninecup7597
@kolorninecup7597 11 ай бұрын
When taking it to the [Hermitts Cave] as he would sometimes "reference" yours' ~ I told him (it) was American / Chili Dogs / by the looks of things, he instantly referred back (it) to David Bouie in The Labyrinth as Chilly: Bully ~ {meanie} in defense of "Bad Foo . . . d". That is ~ just what ~ having been victimized [10] years in, by the FAMILY of that bad blood ~ those being Spun Out. For the year 2000 in Art Class - during the mid 70's, a grouping of five skyscrapers representing the New Crystaline structure of the facades . . .. There is a Cubed city [Marriage] coming out of the Sky for Israels 75th birthday according to the Cristian mythos involving the nations, that is related to The Dark - Princes Ruby witch helped, lead to reestablishing that country.
@willemdubbeldam9285
@willemdubbeldam9285 11 ай бұрын
I think the question is not so much whether divination is always reliable, but rather are we able to correctly interpret the answer we receive? An oracle does not so much answer a question as give an overview of a situation. In my opinion, it is therefore important to let go of the question and see the answer in a broader context. Personally, in over 40 years I have never received a "wrong" answer from the I Ching, although I have received answers that I did not understand at first but which turned out to be correct in hindsight.
@DownUnderTarot
@DownUnderTarot 11 ай бұрын
I'm happy to read on almost every question, but I try to avoid multiple readings about the same question that the goddesses (Tyche and the Fates) don't like it if you ask the same question twice, but the Devil does.
@walters8748
@walters8748 11 ай бұрын
Taking a very basic gist of the video-and I likely missed many things-it seems analogous to the protestant and catholic division on how to read and interpret the Bible. Whether it be "Sola Skriptura" or tradition is necessary; whether it be divination alone as central authority or the influence of the intermediary-i.e. the Diviner. To this end, Q1: No. Of course not. Considering the number of divinatory practices there have been throughout the world and ages-Bibliomancy, Anthomancy, Stitchomancy, Rhabdomancy, Belomancy, Glyphomancy, Astromancy, and (the most relevant to this discussion) Taromancy-it would be foolhardy to suppose that every divinatory reading is reliable; outside of the general truths of our existences, life, and mortality-what might be "divined" by a person is wholly different from the world of which we occupy. As attractive as the Ptolemaic model may be to the antiquarian-I doubt any modern-day reader or querent would want a reading that did not follow the Copernicus model of the universe. Yet divinatory readings, like any other sort of reading made and done are marked by the perspective and the time & societies they come from. So in this sense, the perspective outline seems to lend itself to a certain formalism or even orthodoxy. Q2: You have to make choices. It's as simple as that. Choices, or perhaps the better word is to decide-(de)+(caedere), (to cut off) ; as much enthrallment as it can be to envision for oneself five different life paths, "πάντα ῥεῖ"-we cannot step into the same river twice, at least according to Heraclitus. Besides, "Non est ad astra mollis e terris via". If it be sacred, it may often require sacrifices-so no matter what, one must decide the path one will follow-whether or not it leads toward a way to Greek tragedy like Oedipus, Ragnarok, or even possibly Progress & Innovation Q3: There's a saying amongst people in the Darts community about Archery: "In Darts, we use the whole board." Which I suppose goes back to the whole analogy of the Sola Skriptura. Where does the Divine or authority act through? While it may seem very powerful to hit a stationary target 100 meters off. There's a different finesse that comes from the pinpoint accurate shots made in a few paces of a crowded, noisy, and dark pub. Not to mention a completely different experience between the Olympic archer utilizing the most "advance" bow shooting technology-specialized for that specific context versus the Mongolian archer on horse back who has learned the many different drawing and shooting techniques that once brought Eurasia to its knees. Which is a roundabout way of saying-depends on what you're shooting at.
@24vlinders44
@24vlinders44 11 ай бұрын
To do a reading, you need a solid assumption. My assumption is that the cards are always right. If not, what is the purpose of reading the cards? I think the cards capture the energy of the moment and perhaps more. I don’t think you need a special successful ritual to capture the energy of the moment. If you look at omens, for instance, they didn’t need a ritual to occur. The planets don’t need a ritual to stand where they are supposed to. It just happens. If 5 people were to do a reading for the same question at the same moment, would they get the same cards? I’ve not heard of that experiment being done but I assume they’d get different cards. Which would mean that the cards that show up are somehow bound to the interpreter as you said. I don’t think this is a crazy idea. No one has an identical understanding of the cards, or the spread, or the card in the spread. Even if you give someone the same text for what the cards mean, we still have to understand what the text is referring to and how it makes sense. We try and understand it from concrete situations that have occurred in our lives (or at least I do) as well as the lives of others where these patterns have played out (or our psychological or metaphysical understanding of them). I don’t think it is ever possible to experience all of the ways in which the meaning of a card can manifest (just like you can’t predict all the ways in which Saturn in Leo opposite the Sun in Aquarius will manifest). But even if you look at a form of divination where everyone interprets the same spread like astrology where everyone interprets the same sky would everyone arrive at the exact same answer? Or would it differ because everyone has a different understanding of the elements that make up astrology? Wouldn’t someone in the Hellenistic period come to a different understanding than a modern astrologer? With the third question, I don’t know if we are now asking how we deal with subjectivity objectively? 😅 I mean a metric is something in the objective realm. Question 2 kind of establishes that divination may be subjective. But if I were to choose, I think the metric for correctness is always how things play out in real life. Real life situations teach me a lot about tarot and what other facets the cards could refer to that are not written in text books but fit the symbols. For abstract questions, I don’t think there is a metric. Just my two cents on your questions. Really interesting questions by the way.
@crazypikachucrcr7529
@crazypikachucrcr7529 11 ай бұрын
Missionary, face to face:( But,) then we are in Tao of the Tiger,AI......... Change comes in form Bat....?☯☯🦇🀄🌹🎬
@dkb3596
@dkb3596 11 ай бұрын
Dear Benebell, Is it possible to add Turkish language for translations? I'm watching your posts with Turkish translation. I'm grateful🙏
@BenebellWen
@BenebellWen 11 ай бұрын
I'm not sure I can on my end, but I wonder if KZfaq itself offers automatic language translation services for the video transcript?
@dkb3596
@dkb3596 11 ай бұрын
@@BenebellWen I asked because some of your old videos are automatically translated into Turkish. I hope it can happen again. In any case, thank you very much 🙏🌸
@crazypikachucrcr7529
@crazypikachucrcr7529 11 ай бұрын
Hello, Thankyou Liu -shi- jiu/// 😄 😄 ☯☯🦇☮☮🀄😘😜✌Faith in Chinese History,( Three Wise Men) Chinese; Great History bigger than the bomb? A bomb e=m c square ?
@amber.cartomancer
@amber.cartomancer 11 ай бұрын
As a playing card and Tarot reader...YES...the cards are always right😂❤🎉
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