The "added weight" is rubbish :) The easiest way to make your bike lighter is not to unload the bike itself, but the rider instead! I have lost 11kg recently, and plan to lose another 10 before the new season starts.

In my opinion is not about the negative opinion, is about making sence. The bike is dual sport with more dirt orientated. Now, the bike is taller with a bigger tank, ok you say that extra weight can be managed, but making it taller makes it special for taller people when it comes to hadle it in the dirt. This is not a motocross bike that height does not matter. May be I am wrong, I am talking out of my experience. I think the regular Africa Twin has a good height, the extra clearance from the ground should had been optional, making it accessible to everyone.

If the rider looses weight because the bike is heavy, Now the little guy has even less control over the bike. If you have extra weight to loose that's got nothing to do with the bike. I have no weight to loose i'm actually trying to gain weight so i have more strength to manage the weight.

Chris Hart Lucky you! :) I have to loose another 6-7 kg to get back to my old weight... It’s difficult as fuck, but I am managing it somehow :)

Zoran Jager, Eating nice food is so much easier than doing weights or going for a run. It's one life long battle. Good luck. It's always worth it just doesn't seem worth it in the short term but it will always worth it.

You are correct. There's a low seat option available too.

It helps when you are crossing Mongolia.

Some of us live off the pavement, and need to cover serious miles out in the middle of nowhere. The bigger tank of the Adventure Sports seals the deal for me. Hard to find a real ADV bike that isn’t a whale (looking at you, R1200GS), but has the ergonomics/comfort/range to cover decent distances, and still be light/compact enough to be reasonably decent off-road. The new AT Adv Sports seems to strike a very happy balance.

Also a lot of people don't start off-roading at the end of their driveway, a lot of people have to travel some distance before the off-road begins. This is not a motorcross bike, its a rally touring bike.

I use my bike as a car, so 12K for a new machine that I'll put 100-plus thousand miles on (and literally ride daily) is a bargain.

Denis Calvert: Since the introduction of PCP to the market, whereby you don’t finance the full cost of the bike, manufacturers appear to have gone crazy with pricing; and for the vast majority of us, it’s just a weekend hobby. Manufacturers will eventually price themselves out of most people’s budgets; which is one reason, the ‘bike shed’ scene is taking off. And let’s be honest, you don’t need massive power to have fun.

That's life, inflation. Can't get a bog standard Ford Fiesta for that money though.

Costs almost $26K in my country. 12 grand, dollars or pounds, is nothing here.. You can barely get a 300cc for that amount of money in my country :(

Helixx honda seems to be cheapening suspension internals as a cost cutting, the whole vfr range was subject to recalls. Mine only took 4 years to be put right....

I said that im halfway between flat foot and tip toes. 5'10 1/2" in shoes. 33" inseem, i would be fine with it. Someone said the seat goes 900mm on the lower setting. I'm sure it's tha tallest bike ive ever sat on. Unless anything can be suggested.

Sean Frank yes, certainly easier to read. Even the layout is better plus words instead of numbers for the modes. But it’s still a bit old school compared to the Tiger and KTM. And the reflection is an issue.

Onur erdoğan it's more about in-seam than the overall height. Some one can have as much as 4" in-seam difference be the difference between 5'8" and 6'

Yep, chris hart is correct. I rode with the seat in its standard position of 920mm which can be very simply adjusted to 900mm. There’s a low seat option too bu at 1.78m I expect you’d be fine. Give it it a test and let us know how you get on. Cheers, Michael

Nope

Next step make it even taller again and add yet more fuel should be even better. Making the bikes taller and heavier is all they seem to be able to do now, and of course go up by 50cc and gain about 5 hp and add an extra 11kg.

try being a tall person on bikes mostly designed for short people.

Aus Explorer the bikes are edging towards being very tall. Doesn't bother me. Maybe they can make money on lowering kits that way. If i took this bike for an mot the guy that does it would not even be able to get on to do the brake performance part. Many of these bikes are for people 6 foot + now.

Moto Riders Globe sense and oriented

So what. If you like it buy one and don't worry about what's everyone else thinks. I think it'll make a perfect winter bike in the UK.

I agree, who cares. The only ones who should actually be caring are the reviewers, because the reviews should take that into account. For example, the 2016 version had really bad tires for the road and MOTTORRAD magazine discovered the front tires were deforming in bends, and at least one guy (KZfaq legend Schaaf) had a very serious accident because of this. A good review would at least advise on stiffening the suspension and putting on better road tires.

And your point is?

exactly just a fashion thing now days god forbid they actually get dirty and used as intended

Hehe, my AT is definitely in that rare, 1% ...

I will be when I buy mine. Of course, I need a bit of time to work up beyond our forest service roads.

I take my 1200GS Rallye on single track. These big bikes are surprisingly capable, and fun, off road :)

Finkelroy My Point was the cost of repairs when it gets damaged. I’d happily ride your AT off road!

Yeah I have a 16 model and ride it off road I had a klr 650 before and it was so hard off road the twin is awesome off road

Short answer: yes. Honestly, compared to the BMWs and KTMs, this is a bargain and I know people who have no compunction against taking their $20,000+ BMW out into the sticks and getting dirty.

TRX250r08 MY18 Africa Twin comes in four colours but the Adventure Sports is only in the Tricalore. I’m a fan!

How much do you weigh? I am thinking of picking up the older one because this one while very nice is a little taller and a little wider. And i hear what you say about the weight with the required for off road accessories.

Ron Sexton I am about 175 lbs without gear so I guess I’m just slightly heavier than what the stock suspension in ‘16 was rated for. I added a camel tank to mine which moves the extra 6L to the back instead of the front and helps balance that weight distribution. With this my range is about 400km and I suspect I could get around 500km if I rode really conservatively. The adventure sport has upgraded suspension and the seat height is nearly 2” higher now. If you do a lot of whoops this would be important, but I was actually surprised how good the suspension was on mine considering you’d think it was less capable than a scooter the way people talk about it on the internet. The ground clearance is more than enough, even on gnarly rocky trails you’ll find the skid plate well out of harms way unless you blunder up over the center of the biggest rocks. The thing is on an adventure bike like this where you want to take it into challenging places, it’s the size and weight that kills it. It was one of the main reasons I went with the Africa twin rather than the ktm 1190r, it was so much easier to manage all the weight in the trails when you can actually touch the ground with your feet when you come to a stop, especially unexpectedly. If Honda had come out with the 2018 AT AS model and it was 50lbs lighter and had 20 more hp, I’d feel a little left behind and I’d probably seriously consider trading in even though I’ve spent so much time dialing this one in. But they didn’t, so I do not! I’m perfectly happy with my base model and I’m sure you could be too depending on your needs or at least your tolerance for girth on your off road bike. This coming from a guy who rides trials, enduro, and mx. So of course everyone’s mileage may vary.

I'm 6'1" and about 200 (a little fat!). I'm thinking between this and the KLR 650. I'm also going on 63. So i am thinking that DCT might be a good idea! Mainly thinking about desert back roads around and near Las Vegas (not there yet). There are some good deals on the 2017 AT's. Probably because the 2018 top AT model is so upgraded and rumored to be only $2,000 more for improved and outfitted with gear. But for my purposes it probably doesn't matter to me. But the extra weight and width and height and cost do matter to me. Maybe more than the many improvements. As for the KLR, the cost difference really isn't that great and the AT tech and modern features are very tempting. At my age i don't believe i will be doing jumps and severe off road. More rocky dirty roads at most more likely. I just want to get out and see some scenery! That seat on a new KLR is pretty nice though and the seat height is within reach and a lot cheaper. That Camo looks pretty cool also.

94 hp is more than adequate for what it needs to do. Dirt bikes don't need to have 188 hp. They are not racing against Hyabusas.

Yeah, I feel like Honda is always too boring/conservative when it comes to power on their bikes. They could have easily squeezed a few more ponies or lbs of torque out of that parallel twin to make things more interesting on the road where most of these bikes live.

Evan Whitehead they sacrificed some power for better reliability. 94hp does the job 99% of the time. At the end of the day, it's an offroad biased bike and if used as intended, the power it makes is more than adequate.

Honestly you don't need more than 100hp, particularly on an ADV bike. I got into plenty of trouble with an 80hp 2-valve Ducati. 94 HP and enough fuel range I can actually ride and not be at a gas station all the time? Yes please. This bike hits the nail on the head for someone who doesn't need HP to compensate for anything, and actually uses the bike in a rural, Outback-type landscape, on and off road. Combined with Honda quality engineering, this thing looks like a winner to me.

Dominik M Have a read through the full review but in answer to your two shouty questions; 6ft (183cm) and yes. Cheers, Michael

Thanks!! You are the best!!

Twil along with longer suspension, a new instrument panel, different wheels, flatter seat...and more. Read the review for all the upgrades.

Might wanna loosen those judgy pants a little there, bud. Getting pretty hitched up high on you. I am shopping for a DCT because my shift foot is partially disabled... because I fought cancer and won. Not gonna let the permanent damage to my leg and foot stop me from riding. Opting for the manumatic shifter out of biomechanical necessity doesn’t mean I want or need the rest of the foofball garbage.

It was an attempt at humour. Sorry you were offended.

DucFanDan I think he was making more of a point about others whinging about the bike not having cruise control than judging DCT owners.