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BEST Projector in 2022 | Projector Shootout | JVC NX7 vs NZ7 vs NZ8 vs Sony, Epson , Optoma
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Күн бұрынWe compared 8 Projectors (over $50,000) in a BLIND TEST including the JVC NX7, NZ7, NZ8, 420, Epson 3800, 6050, Sony VP-295ES and Optoma 50X to find the BEST projector in 2022. JVC Projectors - bit.ly/JVC_Pro...
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@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
We compared 8 Projectors (over $50,000) in a BLIND TEST including the JVC NX7, NZ7, NZ8, 420, Epson 3800, 6050, Sony VP-295ES and Optoma 50X to find the BEST projector in 2022. This video is sponsored by Elite Screens. Check out their screens here - amzn.to/33xXVpm Join us in July for MWAVE (MidWest AV Experience) - midwestavexperience.com/ If you enjoy Home Theater Tours and would like me to do more, consider becoming a Patron - www.patreon.com/youthman Ryan's Write Up - bit.ly/KC-Projector-Shootout-M0ltar Jonathan's Write Up - bit.ly/2022-KC-Projector-Shootout-Archaea Disclaimer: Affiliate Links are used in the description of this video. I earn from qualifying purchases. Elite Screens (By Category): Electric Wall - amzn.to/3Kl8ugG Electric Recessed - amzn.to/3qqbTmf Electric Screens - amzn.to/3rfRIqy Electric Floor Rising - amzn.to/3K8pYwC Fixed Frame - amzn.to/3Ikd4Kn Manual Tab-Tension - amzn.to/3zYoDDP Ambient Light Rejection - amzn.to/3nsp58j Portable - amzn.to/3GvPY2S Outdoor - amzn.to/3qqbQqz Rear - amzn.to/3zZa7fi Elite Screens (By Series): AEON Series (92" to 200") - amzn.to/3ftNVQF Sable Frame 2 Series (110" - 120") - amzn.to/33iEDVd Edge Free (92" to 150") - amzn.to/3K6E41s Star Frame Series (100" to 114") - amzn.to/3nnZZaw Best pricing on Home Theater products - youthmanreviews.com/sales/ Visit hometheatertours.com to submit yours for a possible tour - hometheatertours.com.
@Macroproxy 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Youthman, I haven't finished the video yet. It would be nice to see something like this on a ALR screen like Slate and Black Diamond from SI. I've been waiting on getting a projector because I've found that while I have a light controlled setup with black ceiling and dark walls and all, at least 90% of the time I have to have considerable light in the room for my kids to play, or to talk with guests. Even if the lights are dimmed and not direct... I guess my room is the main TV watching space, and not ONLY for a theater experience. Only when I'm alone do I get to go full darkness. I'd love to see how the experience is with these in that use-case. Does a NZ series have the brightness needed to accomplish this? And how much of a subjective hit do you take when you do go full dark in the room with a Black Diamond screen or something.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion. We will definitely continue to have shoot outs in the future
@planck10-43 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Youthman, I just recently discovered your channel and you're doing great work. I did a search and noticed you haven't reviewed JL audio subs. Do you plan to review them one day?
@ThePentosin 2 жыл бұрын
Got the full links for the write ups, rather than the bitly links? Im getting blocked...
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
www.avsforum.com/threads/kansas-city-projector-shootout-jan-8th-9th.3227498/
@malsmith2012 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome Fella's! Thanks so much for bringing this to us Michael.. I really hope this starts off a yearly shoot out and that manufacturers get on board and lend you guys their projectors.. Just have to say I could listen to Jonathan talk all day he articulates so well and seems such a calm, chilled and super intelligent guy.. Great stuff!
@VdomanZ 2 жыл бұрын
love the average consumer perspective on this video! my setup is in a multipurpose room where we play board games, workout, watch movies, watch tv, play xbox. can't black out every room just to get the "best" conditions. I went EPSON 5040 due to ability to have lights on and still see have a usable image, but lights off, change view modes.
@ramsayzaki 2 жыл бұрын
This shootout saved me $5k!! I was torn between the NZ7 and NZ8. But, after reading the reviews/comments on the forum and this video... NZ7 it is. I'll put that extra $5k elsewhere in the room.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
There were definitely some subtle differences between the two. The higher up you go, it seems the more the law of diminishing returns is at work. The NZ7 is a fantastic projector. Send me an email if you are interested in one info@hometheatertours.com
@steveinflorida773 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsay, You think the laser is worth the cost over the NX series? - would like to know your thoughts.
@downersup2 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing that might push me towards the NZ8 would be that it has far better 8K eShiftX capabilities to future proof it....but is that worth an extra $5,000....that's yet to be determined? I heard JVC is going to do some huge price hike up in February?
@ramsayzaki 2 жыл бұрын
@@downersup2 Go read the written review on the AVS forum. They talked about that... And said the two-way shift on the NZ7 versus the quad on the end NZ8 wasn't really all that noticeable.
@ramsayzaki 2 жыл бұрын
@@steveinflorida773 from everything I have read I do think it is worth it. There does seem to be enough of a bump between the two. Even In this video review they talk about that.
@willdejong7763 2 жыл бұрын
This was great! Thanks to everyone who helped make this possible. The rest of my comment isn't intended to be a critique; I just wanted to share a thought I had when watching this. I know that using MadVR for tone mapping to SDR allowed the older generation of projectors compete, but maybe next time you guys do this you can skip the external tone mapping and feed actual HDR signals to the projectors and see what they can do. I have to wonder if the latest projectors can do a better job of tone mapping; I hope they could since they should know exactly what their own capabilities are. A side by side with vs. without madVR with HDR source material on identical or almost identical projectors would be great, too. Cheers!
@adamraper6993 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I still own a JVC X570 (RS420) and with external tone mapping with the UB420 it puts out an incredible HDR image. It has also brought new life to my Blu Ray collection by upscaling them to 4K. Every time I start thinking about upgrades to a newer native 4K projector I watch a movie and can’t bring myself to spend the extra money.
@adrianbarac3063 Жыл бұрын
Hey Adam. What are you using for external tone-mapping?
@Ty-qj6ws Жыл бұрын
Just bagged a rs400 and panny ub420 in the mail for physical media 😊 What's your favorite UI and setup for streaming? ATV 4k and/ or my xbox one x? Cheers
@shaolin95 Жыл бұрын
I had the 820 and its Tone mapping pales compared to madvr with my htpc. You should try it
@adrianbarac3063 Жыл бұрын
@@shaolin95 Uurghh. Pity about the - I N S A N E - price tag for MadVR. Just ridiculous.
@dannysmith4649 2 жыл бұрын
Such a great video, thank you! Well worth the wait. One suggestion for a 2023 edition - if you do one - would be to have a segment at the end where you turn off MadVR. I totally get why you used it for the blind tests to even the playing field, but it would be great to see some actual footage of the lower end projectors side-by-side with the higher end ones. You wouldn’t even need to do blind testing, as it sounds like the results would be pretty obvious. But for those of your viewers who are actually trying to figure out if spending $5k vs $15k on a projector is worth it for them, the exclusion of MadVR would be the best way to get a real sense of that. Thanks again!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the recommendation Danny. Unfortunately we did not have enough time to run additional testing as we were going from 9 AM until almost midnight
@hddanman7263 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but at the same time having the madvr might show you that buying a cheaper projector and adding a powerful video processor is the better value then just buying a expensive projector that would still benefit from the video processor
@dannysmith4649 2 жыл бұрын
HD danman Maybe. Though MadVR costs $15k (assuming you’re not using a HTPC). More than every single one of these projectors alone except for one.
@RealKC 2 жыл бұрын
So I was the one with the Sony and I wanted to see how it compared to the Lasers. I can say I do love my Sony however when I go to replace it I will be looking for Laser projectors as they did look great!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing out your projector and for cooking up some mean BBQ for us all
@RealKC 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Anytime. Next time I will aim to do a Brisket. Out of all things to Smoke this one is my Fave!
@jin5667 2 жыл бұрын
How much is the difference compared to the NZ? Is it more like $500 difference or $5000 difference?
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 2 жыл бұрын
@@jin5667 that home theater dude channel has a good comparison to the Sony 715 and NX line (forget the exact model but it was $8,000). The short version is the Sony has more detail and the jvc has blacker blacks. The piece missing for me is latency for gaming. The ONLY projector I have found acceptable is Sony at 27ms.
@jin5667 2 жыл бұрын
James Williams Thanks James. I agreed with that comparison. I currently own a JVC NX7 and a Sony 295es. Movie image wise, Sony is sharper, but JVC does much better on black level and HDR. Game wise, I certainly use Sony. I use JVC mainly for movies, especially dark movie. My question was about the new NZ line, doesn’t seem to offer much a difference from this shootout.
@matta9316 2 жыл бұрын
I was watching this on tv but had to login and comment. First off great video but awesome to see how you worked with sponsors to pull this together - that takes some initiative and hard work and I’m glad to see it come together for you and hopefully the channel continue to grow!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words Matt. There were a lot of people that were involved to make this a successful event
@RollinRagu 2 жыл бұрын
Years ago, a few friends and I started up a local meetup group. We had enriching experiences with each other for many years. It's been 10 years since we've disbanded. Watching you guys share this experience together was fantastic. It's a side of the hobby that I enjoy very much. Thank you for sharing and for the helpful insight. As you said in the sign out, you generated some excitement in this guy that had slipped away for sometime.
@shaneducholke364 2 жыл бұрын
Love the KC guys. They are very intelligent and explain things so well. I really appreciate the informative discussion style.
@8slkmic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank y'all for your time, money, and risk for putting this together during this period, just to show which toy were gonna buy next.
@joedirt6222 2 жыл бұрын
Would love a follow up video where you break down your notes for each projector /shoot out. Pretty amazing feat putting all this together by the Kansas group.
@baronzemo78 2 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic work. I follow most of the people here on AVS but hearing the dialog with screenshots and video is fantastic. I hope to have my RS2100 set up soon and join the club. It's a my first projector and home theater. Thanks to Youthman, AVS and everyone it's an expensive but fun hobby.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly.
@kehindeajirotutu1837 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Youthman and the crew for the 2022 projector shoutout
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. We are already planning the next event. It’s going to be epic
@vipin_raj_vj 2 жыл бұрын
JVC Is the best 4K projector 👌❤
@garryhammond3117 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael! - I'm completely blown away by this - it has never been done before. A PJ shootout - imagine! Thanks to everybody!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Gary but the Kansas City crew has done a few of these over the years in the AVS Forums. This might be the first time it was shared on KZfaq.
@nayastah1439 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Loving it here in the UK 💕
@jarodreddig63 2 жыл бұрын
Just an absolutely wonderfully done projector comparison. Great work all around. Great job Micheal and all involved. A rare instance to compare all these, and I’m really enjoying the write-ups on AVS too!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jerod. It was a lot of fun to be a part of this event. We are already planning the next event which is going to be even bigger
@jarodreddig63 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Can’t wait Micheal!
@jameshollingsworth2821 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Hearing different perspectives from these knowledgeable enthusiasts about the differences in the projectors was great. I’m just finishing up my small 12’x16’ theater and am trying to decide between a clearance price NX9 and/or NZ7 or NZ8. I’m leaning towards waiting for the NZ8 based on the discussion in your video and excellent AVS Forums write-ups you’ve linked. The complainers will always find something to complain about. But your videos have helped me a ton in my journey of finally building my dream HT. As a patron and subscriber, I appreciate you brother! Keep the awesome videos coming!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you James. Haters gonna hate. ;)
@ScalaneoPT 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Love all the sincerity and fun you guys had doing this. This community is so kindy and helpfull and we just keep learning with all of you. Love you Michael!!!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the kind words. Trying to build up the home theater Community and make it a better place
@SuperBloodyskull 2 жыл бұрын
Shame no one had an NX5 to add to the test, it's probably the closest in terms of price to either the 295es and 6050. Also it will be interesting to see a repeat test with hopefully the new LS12000B to see if it has enough of an improvement over the 6050 to possibly compete head to head with the likes of the 295es and the upcoming NP5.
@darthsimon4393 2 жыл бұрын
As an NZ7 Owner was really eager to watch this shootout! Great Job Again!
@michaelbutny7020 2 жыл бұрын
This video was phenomenal and very informative on the projector shoot-out process. I want to thank everyone involved for their effort, time, and knowledge as every topic was discussed in great detail.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you enjoyed the video Michael it was a lot of fun. We are already planning the next event
@davidhill2315 2 жыл бұрын
Great job guys, Im a JVC fan and looking to upgraded ftom x750 to either NX9 or NZ8 on a 130 inch screen. Too bad you didnt have a direct compare between these 2. Any advice. Like most, black level with high contrast and sharpest PQ is priority. One recommendation from future videos. please be consistent with the JVC model numbers. It was confusing when some use NX/Z and others used RS. thanks and great job
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the suggestion. The difficulty was guys like me rarely refer to the RS numbers. I have always referred to the NX series. And the only difference is the gold ring that I’m aware of. I have no idea what model number they’re talking about when they say RS2000, 3100 etc. But when you say NX7, NX5 , NZ9 I know exactly what you’re talking about
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
If you decide on which JVC you are interested in ordering, feel feee to reach out to me at info@hometheatertours.com.
@gsparrow321 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the hard work guys!
@scott-richardson 2 жыл бұрын
NX7 owner here and am super happy owning this model. I was originally tempted to sell it and grab an NZ8 which would likely cost way more. I AM on a 165” scope screen and I’m sure the NZ8 and extra lumens would be great but I might wait another generation of laser based models from JVC to see if they end up pushing the lumens any further. I run mine with the Color filter in place too so I’m tempted to disable that to see if it’s a lot brighter.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Scott that’s a fantastic projector. Definitely try with and without the filter to see what you prefer
@Bozlee22 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not selling my NX7 anytime soon. The biggest im advantage of the NZ7 is 8K which there is no source offering it anyways.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the biggest advantage is not 8K, but the benefits of the laser light source which is 20,000 hours and it doesn’t dim over time.
@scott-richardson 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Yeah totally. My reason for getting one would 100% be the additional ~800 lumens. I have found that by turning my BT2020 wide colour filter off, the brightness is perfectly acceptable on my 165" scope with lens now.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I do not use the color filter on mine as well due to the loss of light output
@NewLilyCinema 2 жыл бұрын
Man fantastic job and thanks for putting this together. When I was in college I was working at family video I saved up and bought a Epson powerlite which I have been using ever since. Now I'm building my first full home theater and this couldnt be more helpful, in my space a 100in screen is the max I can fit so this was massively informative. Need to keep doing research on how those more budget friendly work with a grey or darker screen to help with the contrasts because it really seems like alot of the higher end projectors come alive on screens I just don't frankly have the space for. But that's has been great. Thanks again youthman
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video Tyler. Good luck with your build
@haknys 2 жыл бұрын
So interesting. I found Brians comments something to mention. Its easy to get lost in the details (I do it all the time). He took it as an "non-expert" down to the basics, He liked the black, but also those with more light. Thats something most people can relate to, and something our eye is very sensitive to. Thanks. I liked this much more than an typical product review.
@northeastcorals 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Kinda confirms some of what I suspected & makes me feel a whole lot better about the limited budget I have for my new cinema room build.
@shaggs2riches 2 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic!! So many variables that can affect the outcome. I have been wanting to get a projector for a while, and this gave me more things to consider.
@shawnperepelytz6397 2 жыл бұрын
I have a comment about the snow appearing more blue with the Epson and the fellow saying the other image was more natural. I disagree with the more natural statement because snow does often show a blue tinge as it reflects the sky as seen on this beautiful bluebird day. This is a great video Youthman and I already look forward to the next one.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words and the additional perspective Shawn
@muddasirsultan6256 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman I really wished you guys had compared the NX9 to the NZ9
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
We didn’t have an NX9 to compare it to.
@stevescharrer5193 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your podcast and shootout. One thing that may help folks decide is to do the shootout between projectors at various price points. Just like in the car market, naturally a Chevy is not going to compete in a shootout with a Ferrari, but that doesn’t mean the Chevy can’t be a good value.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion Steve. Unfortunately the first shootout took 8 hrs so it would be difficult to do multiple shoutouts in a single day.
@steveinflorida773 2 жыл бұрын
With all the opinions and voting thoughts I would have liked to see people say which one they would actually buy. Even those with the funds I am curious if they would spend for the laser vs non laser JVC or even the Epson. I guess my conclusion is the NX7 is a better value than the laser series being a similar image for less. The Epson 6050 or try to get the same 5050 for model even less will not have the blacks of the NX7 but WHOLE lot of savings and should still do well on a large screen. The optima is for your kids bright playroom, outside but would never hold it's own for an enthusiast on a larger screen or without the tone mapping boost it received.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a pretty good assessment
@ryankramer 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on. You get 85-90% of the image quality at the Epson 5050 level and the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty strongly after that. I can comfortably say in public that the price difference between the NZ7 and NZ8 were not worth it for me.
@runany1 2 жыл бұрын
Any projector manufacturer can throw light on a screen. It’s the top shelf ones that can make the light not hit the screen IE black levels. And give you detail while watching it. Also cheaper ones don’t do wide color or proper tone mapping.
@TerminatorJuice 2 жыл бұрын
I have a smaller room with only a 92" screen, so I've always felt like the cost for me to get a JVC wouldn't be justified because my screen size... I'm not sure if this discussion helped me in that regard or not, but it sure was entertaining! Also, I'm a bit disappointed in the almost complete lack of discussion about the Epson and Sony projectors, because I feel like those are more in the price point of the majority of people who will watch this.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the AVS links in the description for more details on how they specifically compared.
@Jagman1996 2 жыл бұрын
If you look at the native contrast of the pixel shift RS PJs (like the 420), they are significantly better than the native contrast on the native 4K JVC PJs. The laser PJs have better dimming which "may" level the playing field. Like the guys said, I really think combining external tone mapping and level matching on a smaller screen took away the main advantages of the laser JVCs. Going with a larger screen and not allowing external mapping would have changed it dramatically. I also think you have to factor in the benefits of laser over bulbs when buying. One thing I think would have been useful is to try the filter in the NZ8. Since you used a 100" screen, and the NZ8 seemed too bright when maxed out, then the lumen loss from the filter may have actually helped, plus you get a greater color gamut.
@Jagman1996 2 жыл бұрын
@youthman I should have mentioned this but I really enjoyed this video. I've watched at least a couple dozen of your videos and this was by far my favorite. The NZ8 was a PJ I almost bought. Now I'm not sure. My screen is 103" but I have some ambient light during the day. My plan was to use max lumens during the day and to use the filter at night for more serious viewing. I could also do a larger scope AT screen and really take advantage of it. That's just a LOT of work. Then again, I could get LGs 99" OLED... pricing may be similar to the NZ8... especially since JVC no longer allows street pricing but LG does. I'm also really curious what rec 2020 triple laser PJs will come out this year. I suspect I might wait 6-12 months to see how the market plays out.
@Triggaaar 2 жыл бұрын
What a great effort, thank you to everyone who made this possible. Screen size: If you've got 100" screens (because you can fit 2 of them in) but you want to be testing (for example) 130" screens, what would happen if you simply zoomed the projectors to project 130", and you left the over-spill hit black velvet? Sure you wouldn't watch a film like that, with parts of the image missing, but it would show you what those images would look like on a bigger screen.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I did consider that and mentioned that to them. Part of it was just time constraint. We had one day. We started at 6 AM, everyone got there at 9 AM. We did the shoot out until 5 PM. Did a second shoot out from probably 5:30 PM till close to midnight which is what we covered in the video
@Triggaaar 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Yeah I wasn't talking about this time, more that you were considering doing something similar in a year's time, and you may well be limited on space again then, so it was just an idea of what you can do next time.
@911930964993996997 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the content Michael .. keep up the awesome work!! .. I think there was a ground loop in the audio where you guys were discussing and would like to see some more comparison stills between the comparisons in your next video .. dude you're taking your channel to a whole new level!!!! including video with your audio reviews is frigging awesome!!!! nicely done ..
@simonm8586 Жыл бұрын
As an installer, my recommendation is to compare in their best default picture mode for the source material. eg. The Epson is typically best in Natural mode. This would better represent the majority of consumers installations. A very small percentage of projector buyers get professional calibration performed.
@evanshepard1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work. I only wish the white points had all been matched to D65 for peak white along with matching the brightness levels. I noticed the i1 display pro Spectro there. Would have been easy to do a quick 100 IRE D65 for each. Either way thanks for the hard work here. Good content as always.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Can I get a translator over here please? 🤣 Calibration is all Greek to me
@evanshepard1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman haha. I understand. Basically it would have reigned in the color temp differences and not taken that much time. Wouldn't have been a FULL calibration for each but would have helped color temps come closer in line. The i1 Spectrometer (light meter) was shown in the video when he was balancing the peak brightness of each display on the tripod stand.
@enderrobinson5556 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that they had the NZ9 on hand but didn’t include it. Would have been nice to see what difference 15 thousand more dollars makes, if any. I know a lot of people are trying to decide between the 7 8 and 9.
@RXP91 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. I still feel peak projector for me in a batcave is the JVC x9000. I notice contrast much more than resolution and with MadVR I feel the contrast/HDR I get from the x9000 is unrivalled. Even in a batcave there's a zero sum game with contrast - you push the peak white too high and the reflections form the room wash back onto your screen, thus diminishing the contrast. I had quite the revelation when I stopped watching HDR stuff in high lamp mode, in low lamp the contrast appeared even better!
@L3x4Pr0ne 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool outing, group. I really enjoyed the differing perspectives, acknowledgment of the “shortcomings” and realistic nature of trying to put together a beast operation like this. Thanks to the host for letting the group do this in your space. I’m sure the wife was thrilled. Anywho, I really enjoyed this video
@abu1950 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, you always talk about what we really want to hear. Great video
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words
@abu1950 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman No problem, my brother lent me his old JVC projector the X95R to test and it has the best black levels I have seen on any projector. I am addicted to JVC's now and my current projector is the Epson TW9300 which is no slouch but the JVC is on another planet black level wise. I am assuming the new bad boys NZ7/8/9 would be stunning.
@wolverine3344 2 жыл бұрын
Youthman, I think the round table discussion is great to see the individuals we’ve seen on the Kc tour. Kudos 🙏🏻
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother
@joentell 2 жыл бұрын
Ha, Krosan with the Yamaha shirt.
@ImaGorilla2000 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. And the write-up on AVS forum was spectacular. Very informative and detailed. Great job, and thank you for sharing.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video
@Antimonkat 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of surprised the JVC beat the Epson 6050 that solidly. I prefer the 6050's brighter image and use that brightness to be able to engage my color filter for HDR color volume and coverage. (and for my bigger 150" screen) Many do prefer the JVC for it's blacks, but I didn't think that view was THAT universal, and it's not like the Epson has bad blacks, especially when you have the iris settings, tone mapping and filter set "right". Both solid projectors that fill slightly different needs and scenarios, so I expected the vote to be more mixed at least. When you factor in price, the Epson usually comes out ahead in a price for performance scenario too.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Yes we did not tell the participants which projectors they were looking at so price was not a factor into their decision on which they preferred the best. We found in our testing that most people prefer deeper black levels than they did brightness once we opened all the projectors up.
@bottomup12 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching and value all the information. The last comments, “What we aren’t getting paid for this” was funny 😄
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Haha we had a blast together and look forward to our next event in around 6 months.
@Raj-AZ 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You Youthman for this invaluable video. Very informative and in some cases an eye opener for me to see this showdown & feedback on these projectors. I have an EPSON 5010 and planning to replace with something real 4k maybe 8K. So this was very informative for me as I have now narrowed down to JVC RS2100. Big task is to save up for this big bad boy :)
@salehkambijo1849 2 жыл бұрын
Such beast this JVC u consider to upgrade,,the m question is if an Epson 6050ub with excellent black colour and sharpness running can u know the difference between Sony jvc or Epson This test may safe u a lot of thousands of dollars, Tell me what you think?
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
We actually had a 6050 in the Kansas City Projector Shootout. It cannot compete with the black levels of a JVC
@salehkambijo1849 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Yes sir, 100% wright but that side by side When 6050or even 5050 installed in a dedicated home theater under 4k the overall video quality is absolutely satisfying. Will the jvc give me a double value as it's double price? Or it's better than Epson twe time? I have 4010 and i consider upgrade looking for better blacks and sharpness i will appreciate ur advice really enjoying watching ur content and appreciate the effort.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Epson provides a huge value and offer a great image. Everyone has to decide for themselves if a more expensive product offers enough improvement in performance to make it worth it to them.
@salehkambijo1849 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman U have the 5040ub for years If u want upgrade am really interesting to know what areas improvement will u looking for.
@jvonengeln 2 жыл бұрын
I laugh at the surprise velvet attack at @6:37
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Haha I didn’t know what happened first
@TJ-po9ol 2 жыл бұрын
Guy on the right walks into a Nike outlet and... Comes out stuck on "big screen size" repeat mode
@hddanman7263 2 жыл бұрын
I have a rs600 so maybe i should get a lumagen or madVR as a better upgrade then buying a newer projector?
@m3tro214 2 жыл бұрын
Im going for the jvc nz7🙂
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Great option for sure.
@commanderrussels2612 2 жыл бұрын
I'm building a theater with a 110" screen and now wondering if instead of a NZ7 I should just get a NP5 when that comes into production. Sounds like the higher models the big difference is on a larger screen.
@flageborg 2 жыл бұрын
Which calibration tool did you use prior to your shootout? Such as Klein K10A colorimeter, Colorimeter Research spectroradiometer and Spectracal professional software ?
@salehkambijo1849 Жыл бұрын
great great video really the most helpful video helps you to choose what good for you, gives a lot of information impossible to experience without your effort guys thank you so much.
@Youthman Жыл бұрын
Glad you found the video helpful
@Antimonkat 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, a ton of work putting this on, really appreciate it.
@ChristianBungert 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! I saw your great shootout (N5 vs ub6050 vs uhz65) before and THIS video is no exception: An excellent one! Speaking of the UB6050: I would have guessed the Epson turned out to be a good option in comparison - cause of "good" even not outstanding black levels and high light output- with the rest of competition but since i didn't hear you say "ub6050" within the clip: How did it perform to peoples/experts eyes? Thanks a lot in advance and keep up the great work 🎬🍿
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
The 6050 is actually a great projector. It’s only when you put them side-by-side with the JVC that people tend to choose the JVC because they immediately noticed the deeper black levels. What we found in the blind shoot out is people preferred projectors with deep black levels over even a brighter projector
@darthsimon4393 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing job to all of you! Thank you Mike and Ryan!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly. Also a big shout out to Tony and Nick for calibrating all 8 projectors and Jonathan for the work he put into it as well.
@Analyzer52 2 жыл бұрын
This was really good definitely gives some prospective on the law of diminishing return. I love my 6050 that I've had about 4 or 5 months but always wondered am I really missing a lot, and I truly don't think so. Also caught it on one of those Youthman type deals were I paid less than $2k for it. This was a blessing.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
For $2000, I would absolutely keep what you have for a while. That’s awesome congratulations
@Analyzer52 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Hey, do you think Shaun would be up to make another one of those side surround brackets he made for you? I need something very similar for my RP502s but to mount to the ceiling and come down to ear level. No wall on the right side. I'm using something I mocked up but yours is much better. I could send him a drawing and all the measurements.
@Steeleroneify 2 жыл бұрын
DUDE’s, thanks for doing this. I appreciate your long hours and hard work.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks David it was a team effort and we believe it turned out really well and has great information for the home theater community
@tullebob1683 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this awesome video! I am considering getting the NZ7 to use with my 100" screen. Being a big 3d fan, I will surely watch all my 3d blu-rays on it (via the Pana UB9000). I am a bit concerned about the lumens on the NZ7 for that purpose. From what I can gather from this video, there is not a lot of practical difference with respect to brightness between the NZ7 and NZ8 in real life when viewed on a 100" screen. I guess that pertains in particular to 2d content and likely then 4k HDR content. But would you say that the same is true for 3d content on the NZ7 vs the NZ8 with respect to lumens/brightness? Or is the incremental costs going from NZ7 to NZ8 worth it for viewing 3d content to get the added brightness (again; will be watching on a 100" screen). Thanks again for the awesome video. Keep up the good work!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. Honestly I have never gotten into 3-D so that is an area that I am unfamiliar with. Ryan and Nic shared the lumen output when they measured each of the models in the EVS thread that are linked down in the description. So that might be helpful. Originally we brightness matched all of them but later on in the shoot out we unleased them to their full capacity
@squared80 2 жыл бұрын
I do wish the shootout didn't include MadVR, etc. Just straight out of the box and calibrated. The argument would be made that those lower-tiered projectors would be blown out of the water, but I think the whole point would be, does the difference in what your seeing correlate to the difference in what you would be willing to pay in price. In other words, not just which one is 'better', but do I want projector A at this price, or is it worth it to me to get projector B for that price. Regardless, I really appreciate the video here, and the comments on AVSForums. A wealth of knowledge and feedback. Thank you.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I too would like to see that as well. Will keep that in mind for a future shoot out. Look for many more to come with the next one already being in the works
@markym3870 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with this. The quality of picture processing is an important part of the cost of the units so this not a fair comparison at all.
@jaseamondo 2 жыл бұрын
So what size of screen would you say would the absolute max possible to still get the best out of the Jvc Rs420? 120" perhaps? I could see the combination of the Panasonic tone mapping player and this being somewhat of a bargain if your home cinema is on the smaller side, like mine is.
@georgepopescu1327 2 жыл бұрын
For HDR 120 would be maximum but for SDR you can go 140 without any problem
@jaseamondo 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgepopescu1327 well that's handy seeing as I've already got a 120" screen 😁.
@GiftedToddler 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! Legendary versus vid 👍
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you
@jadan2000 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for doing this guys.
@AwesomeSauceShow 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Watched from the start to the end.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@racecrashrepeat 2 ай бұрын
So what's the result, what do you buy for a 130 inch anamorphic in a 14ft long room dedicated room? With external tone mapping
@VividTheater 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome projector shootout! It goes to show with proper calibration and adding perhaps MADVR, one can achieve great results with low cost projectors. Hopefully in the future you can do an LCR speaker shootout which includes the DIY stuff, that would be awesome.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly rock steady
@KevinBooker-ex5zs Жыл бұрын
Great Product and Worth Every Penny!
@pesokpesok 10 ай бұрын
i been into projectors since 2002(although never got into the details-graphs too deep - an experienced amateur would describe me)and had or at least experienced most of the good ones. Tech has moved incredibly greatly since those times for example my Panasonic 8000 (1080p) that was considered one of the greats a decade ago - while still good, i was amazed that my eyes prefered a new budget(under $2k) projector over a former heavy weight. With all the advancements there were upsets as well for example I was greatly dissapointed with JVC NX line(had 5 and 7) when compared to older JVC 4k e-shifters and Epson 11-12k compared to 6/5050(why would Epson remove 3d?). Currently you can be very happy and save tons of $(over spending $20k+ for latest and greatest) with a good projector(with good brightness and blacks) and external 'helper' as well as decent screen and room. I currently settled on Epson 5050 with custom build PC running MadVR and alr and i dare anyone to pick NZ9 over this setup costing fraction
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! A higher end Sony would have been a nice addition. I find Sony much better for gaming with its 26ms latency. Most projectors are just too slow. The nx7 is 40ms+ with all the processors off.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I reached out here on my channel to see if anyone had one they were willing to bring and we also posted in the Sony AVS forum. Nothing
@dominus519 2 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my jvc x7500 for now. But if i could upgrade now i would opt for a Nz8.
@Antimonkat 2 жыл бұрын
Some people would say you didn't give the projectors a chance to shine on such a pedestrian screen such as an Elite. Well I love my Elite, and if your $10,000 projector needs a $3000 screen to outperform a lower projector...that says more about your projector than the screen.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆👆 we really didn’t receive many comments complaining about the budget friendly projector screens we used. I think it’s crazy to spend $3000 on a projection screen but that’s just me. I feel you can get more for your money investing it in other places of your home theater
@downsouthlouisiana 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman I agree I sell everything from Elite Screens to Screen Innovation and Stewart Filmscreen. All most people need is that Elite Screen. Yes I've designed some systems with acoustically transparent screens and motorized 16:9 to 2.35:1. But those are not the norm.
@1979Weasel 2 жыл бұрын
Thanx a lot! maybe some timestamps to offer some structure for the viewers would be helpful.
@VitalYFZ 2 жыл бұрын
So cool, wish we could get people around here to get involved like that. Is that Scrappydue laying on the floor? Some of the old Klipsch forum guys!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Me too and yes Steven was napping during the shootout lol
@gstavrou 2 жыл бұрын
Really loved this thanks for all your efforts.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DIGGERS881 2 жыл бұрын
Are you upgrading your NX7 Youthman?
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
No immediate plans to.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
GoFundMe? 🤣🤣🤣
@MrRob1003 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video but my 2 cents worth. I am wondering if the comparison was maybe a bit misleading and unfair. I really don't think you should have put madVR into the mix and did the brightness matching. To me the projectors should stand or fall on their own merit as their inherent capabilities is a big part of what you pay for and the primary contributor to the performance vs price value-for-money. Even expecting people to pair a lower cost projector with a UB9000 may be unrealistic and people could prefer to purchase a more budget friendly Sony as an example. This is also further accentuated when you consider the whole overall use case picture and the projector being part of an entertainment system. Having a projector lifted beyond its abilities when playing purchased media on a UB9000 may be a small part of it's desired use case and the greater usage may be watching Netflix or other streaming service via an AppleTV, Roku or Shield. To me you have taken a bulldozer to the landscape and used it to trim off the mountain peeks by pushing them into the valleys to make your more even playing field. I'd even go so far as to say that even calibration is misleading and should be running using a preset that a consumer is most likely to choose on an out of the box projector. That shows what you get for your dollar rather than the what's possible that this comparison showed. The projectors have a huge price gap so it would be more fair, I feel, to not clip its wings and let a 15k projector show you what it an do compared to a 2k projector. Another thought too, is that not everyone has a dedicated space for a traditional projector so maybe for an overall overview there needs to be some short-throw and ultra short-throw's thrown into the mix
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
If we did not calibrate then, no one would have taken the comparison seriously. I would have been ok not using MadVR as you are correct, the vast majority of people will not be using them but their thinking was it allowed each projector to perform at its absolute best (nothing wrong with that). Without it, there would have been no reason to even put the lower three projectors in the running. At the end of the day, we had a great time, learned a lot and found there are much more similarities than differences in the higher end projectors at least on a 100” screen. We would 100% welcome you or anyone else performing their own shootout if there is a better way of doing it. In the end, you will never satisfy everyone on how it was performed.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can see it being done both ways but unfortunately with only one day, it’s difficult to do multiple shootouts under different scenarios
@jasonpipkin8060 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, they have helped me soo much making my HT better especially the minidsp I recently added for my 3 subs. Would love to see a video on yours and your audiophile buddies house curve for the entire frequency range not just the low end. Do y’all use flat, or Harmen curve or something else? I know a lot just add a curtain to allow audyssey to help the bass. My room isn’t ideal so I think audyssey helps more than hurts with my room/speakers. Love to know your thoughts! Thanks again.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly. You are correct, I add a curtain so Audyssey only is adjusting lower frequencies in my set up
@drexlsden2194 Жыл бұрын
Hi Youthman, I wanted to get your honest opinion after watching several videos on the JVC N7 and the Sony 6000, I am building my cinema and don't want to get caught out regretting my purchase epscially at this price. I love the thought of 8k pixel shifting and the better HDMI ports however the Sony 6000 picture just seems to my eyes to be leaps ahead, I have seen comments about calibration etc and the comparisons not being fair but for a gamer and sci-fi /Action movie person which would you opt for? Thanks
@scarridale 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this shootout! So the NZ7 vs NZ8 was extremely close. Do you think it would still be that close of a matchup on a 135" screen? Trying to see if I could save $5k without really noticing the difference. Spinoff question, which would you choose: NZ8 or NZ7+MadVR Pro? Thanks for any input!
@jvonengeln 2 жыл бұрын
For the differences we saw you’d be hard pressed to decide the NZ8 was worth $5K more than the NZ7. But each have their own definition of value.
@scarridale 2 жыл бұрын
@@jvonengeln thanks for the reply! I ended up pulling the trigger on the NZ7. It literally arrived 10 minutes ago!
@beasonfilm3446 2 жыл бұрын
Huge thanks Youthman for sharing this experience! I would love to make the drive up from Wichita if ya’ll do another KC shootout in the future and there are any spots open to watch and learn. I am currently working on my dedicated theatre room, and this definitely pushed me toward the NZ8. Now I just have to find one :)
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly. We are already making plans for the next one which will be well announced on this channel. we would be glad to have you out for the next event. I think it’s going to be pretty big. Feel free to email me at info@hometheatertours.com on the NZ8.
@darknightelf2 2 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for all of this, its awesome!! Any chance you are getting your hands on the new epson 12000?? Im really torn between this and the jvc nz7 even if the price point gap is quite huge. I would like to see them compared and have your opinion on this. Thanks a lot!!
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a possibility
@pius4789 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Youthman. Setup idea for you. One shootout (March) with 8 projectors under $10,000 on 100 inch screen. Next shootout (June) with 8 projectors $10-20k on 120 inch screen, Third Shootout (September) Projectors $20k and above on 150 inch screen. Then the day before Black Friday you bring the winners of each shootout together for a superbowl done across each screen size. Only kidding not expecting anyone to put that together. Point is "most" people now or future can't fit a 100 inch screen on their wall. The World is building UP, more buildings more units, smaller units, not more houses by percentage. So you need a shootout for the masses (all the people in tall building units) to watch and then another for enthusiast's who have the space or plan to one day have the space for a 120-150 inch screen. Most TV's cost under 10k. Projector shootout for the masses has to be under 10k. 100 inch screen may not even fit in an elevator. Just my thoughts. Great video.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly. We opened the shootout up to whatever projectors people in the area owned and were willing to bring. Unfortunately we do not have control over that.
@buzzcarter5598 2 жыл бұрын
Great Work! I'm know going to return the Hisense L9G120 and go for the JCV NX7. Now I need to decide on 120" 16x9 or go for a 2:35 like you have.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Buzz, I made a video on why I went with 2.35:1 that may be helpful - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9xnq7WpzMqxhKc.html If you decide to upgrade your projector, feel free to reach out to me at info@hometheatertours.com.
@dereksewkumar07 2 жыл бұрын
"The Optoma out right winner ..For me that is ..(value for money wise black levels too!) Against some of the big guns ..well done Optoma 💜 d 🤕🗺🇪🇺💜
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
She did well…but not that well lol
@1luiszepol 2 жыл бұрын
The waiting kills me.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry. It was 4 days of editing.
@scottwallace1 2 жыл бұрын
Then you go do it. These are individuals giving their time and energy for free, apparently so you can type ‘go faster’ while you’re taking your morning 💩
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
🤣 it’s all good. I didn’t take offense se to it. I think he was just excited
@1luiszepol 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottwallace1 It was not a complaint, on the contrary I really love and enjoy the channel and the effort. The comment was about the exitement of the project, but obviously Youthman and you got me wrong. Still love the channel.
@1luiszepol 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman It was not a complaint, on the contrary I really love and enjoy the channel and the effort. The comment was about the exitement of the project, but obviously Youthman and you got me wrong. Still love the channel.
@budala1969 2 жыл бұрын
A more accurate title would be "JVC 2022 projectors vs a bunch of old projectors". :) We don't have 2022 offerings yet from Sony, Epson and Optoma.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
When they come out, and if people are willing to bring them, will do another shoot out
@budala1969 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman That would be awesome! Thanks
@shadowfallenable 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Im after 4K 120hz projector… which one should I go after (JVC NZ7 or Epson LS12000)?
@Victor43377 Жыл бұрын
I recently canceled my Epson 3800 for a BenQ TK850i. Did I mess up? Have you guys tested the BenQ TK850?
@AK__Productions 2 жыл бұрын
A second guy from the left looks like a Mark Zuckerberg.
@jebo4jc 2 жыл бұрын
You beat me to it. Nice of Zuckerberg to show up.
@sherazdotnet 2 жыл бұрын
Now that we know how important it is to have perfect black levels are, we know that we need to make sure we do calibrate it properly. @Youthman you mentioned that its important to hangout with these guys to learn (well cause they are awesome) but its not always possible because of the distance. Soooooo would be great if you can make a detail (DETAIL) video on like JVC projector that shows how to properly calibrate the projector using their Autocal. I know you already have a video with Nick on it but it didn't go in a lot of details like how to first properly setup the environment and which sensor to use and how far to place the senor. Then calibrating Gamma is another challenge. I know Nick likes to calibrate for Gamma by pointing the sensor straight towards the projector and there are some challenges that need to be factored in. So you can see that there are many steps involved and having Nick/Sowk make a video that goes into details on how to calibrate JVC for SDR/HDR would be super great to have.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea. Unfortunately there are several states between us. Maybe the next time we get together we could film something
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
But keep in mind, Nic says he normally spends 3 to 4 hours calibrating a system. It would be nearly impossible to put that all in a video
@sherazdotnet 2 жыл бұрын
@@Youthman Agreed but with your skills, you'll be able to nicely sum it into 1 hour video. Also, It takes 4 hours because you have to let projector run the patterns to calibrate. We won't need to capture that. Just the steps :-). This was a 22hours event and look how nicely you captured it all into 1:20 mins video. You are very good at it. I specially like how you referenced other video clips into this as a reference at different point. You definitely put a lot of work into it. Kodos to you.
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I gotcha. That makes sense on the test patterns an actual measurements taking the majority of the time. Definitely something to think about for a feature video
@philnicol8072 2 жыл бұрын
Epson have always offered some great bang for buck LCD projectors, in the lower price range of home theatre projectors. In regards to all different aspects of the picture quality ie contrast, colour reproduction. Epson have performed these aspects very competently in their model line-up over the years. My personal test for the contrast ratio of my current Epson was Zero Dark Thirty. The night time scenes where you have the choppers weaving through the mountains of Pakistan, and then finally landing at the compound. With Seal Team 6 rocking up to the house party completely unannounced. 😕 JVC projectors are definitely the leader in the higher price range of HT projectors.
@planck10-43 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Youthman, I just recently discovered your channel and you're doing great work. I did a search and noticed you haven't reviewed JL audio subs. Do you plan to review them one day?
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. I would not be opposed to reviewing JL subwoofers. They were the king back in the day when I was in the car audio. They’ve never been at the forefront of home theater though
@joewertman4314 2 жыл бұрын
So would you recommend some one with a smaller budget to build a home theater PC and use MadVr to use with there projector? Or would you recommend everyone? Michael will you install a home theater PC and get a Madvr?
@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын
I do not have any current plans to build a HTPC.
@dmtheone 2 жыл бұрын
@youthman Hi all - I am new to this channel and thanks for all this great content. I am about to get my home theater upgraded. I have a Sony Ruby projector (yes from back in 2006/2007) and now trying to decide between the Sony 715es vs the JVC NZ7. I want to know if lack of HDMI 2.1, lack of HDR 10+, lack of laser are factors significant enough to not pick the Sony and go for the JVC? Pls help because I a\currently have ordered the 715 es but am wondering if I should switch my order to the JVC NZ7.
@godamongmen2 2 жыл бұрын
I still can't decide between the NX7 and the NZ7. I only have 100inches, don't need the extra brightness and the nx7 has better native contrast, but that laser dimming though....
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