If it was glued at the back of hte CE then light test should do the job.

@@ryansimonp3911 Yes, the light test works great for exposing re-backed cards

drink more water

It's actually crazy that fake cards are more higher quality than the real deal. It's absolutely horrifying lmao

I laughed so goddamn hard at this… 5 or so years back I got *many* boxes of eternal masters boosters & cracked them all (wanted to see if I could turn a profit/just like gambling lol) I would say that I profited by this point, except that all of the cards I have left (foils much more so than non) are curled to an insane degree that I never once witnessed playing MTG when I was in high school/back around 7-8th edition era. In fact, I STILL have 7th edition foils that lie perfectly flat/are gem mint, despite no real humidity protection rofl. Card stock quality has taken a SERIOUS dive 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

One year later and I too got a giggle out of this comment.

Jokes on you for being a sucker and buying foils.

​@@samsonhaze6595 Store the foils in double sleeves. No more curling

Haha, funny, no trolling. This is a serious video :)

Thanks!

Thanks! I'm curious about the results you get. Please update what you find.

Good question, I'll have to come up with a different method for those.

Look, this man asking the right questions .

That the neat part, you don’t 😂

Just use an led flashlight and learn to identify the inner paper's texture... fake cards rarely have any translucency.

Good thought! I am investigating this and will post a video once I have conclusions.

thats cuz its not a printer, it's a 4 stage press.

Nice! I'm glad I was able to help!

...add alternate 4th as well. If I trusted this video, I'd thrown away the alternate 4th edition Fellwar Stone I received a couple of days ago (ordered a normal 4th edition).

The light test is not reliable anymore with so many variations of printing sources. The corners also can vary from set to set. If the card passes this volcano test, it is real

Well I'll be, all these squares make a fucking circle.

Verifying the 4 small red dot in an L shape on the green dot works, but only if you have a jewelers loupe or digital microscope. This method is an option for those that don't have these tools

Thanks! I'm actually a software engineer

@@DismalDante Oh sweet! Great videos man.

Purplish or blueish light can be normal. What really matters in the print dot angle and density that I show in the video

I generally agree, but I don't know how prevalent these other types of fakes are in trying to be sold as authentics to rip off people. I would post a follow up video if I'm able to find some examples

I mean at what point do we start calling pieces of cardboard fake 🤣🤣... Counterfeits r better quality then the garbage WoTC makes an r a fraction of the price of the secondary market... As someone who owns alot of high value cards and expensive decks i play magic for the skill and competitiveness of the game not because my deck is more expensive then someone else's. The whole reason counterfeit cards exist in the first place is because WoTC refuses to reprint the game pieces players need to play the game.. U wanna have expensive premium and foil cards fine but there should always be an affordable card for all formats so players can simply just play the game or allow proxies/counterfeit cards in tournaments. I have 5 top tier modern decks 3 r fully foiled and 2 legacy decks.. The prices for cards r insane. Id rather them reprint all the cards and so everyone can play the formats they want instead of just have these over priced cards in formats that r dying because most cant afford or just choose not to spend money on pieces of cardboard... I love buying cards and foiling out my decks but that's my choice... I have a playset of foiled orcish bowmasters (45-50$ cards) and a playset of nonfoil OBM (35-40$) y r the nonfoils only 10-15$ cheaper... Smh they should be 8-10$ at the very max... Sry bout the rant but as a very fortunate player who can buy expensive cards and play the game i love i feel bad for the people who just wanna play tournaments but cant because the mana base alone for most formats (modern and legacy) r the damn price of most peoples rent for the month. Its disgusting and really needs to change. If that means my cards lose value then so be it. The game being affordable for everyone is more important then me having 10s of thousands of dollars in cardboard. Again sry for the rant lol.

Easy, you flip over the card to look at the back, then you flip over the card to look at the back, then you flip over the card to look at the back...

Google Pixel 6 pro :)

Yes, it should. Let me know if you find different

Yes. Not true for alternate fourth edition though.

Maybe they are real magic backs, but chemically wiped fronts and reprinted on. Can you share an example with a 2x zoom picture of front and back ?

All the different real card printing methods still have the same print dot angle and density, where the fakes do not, so this method still holds. See my video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZ9_qq59vcDXgKc.html where I compare Belgium vs US printed Archon of Cruelty vs a Fake card

I mean at what point do pieces of cardboard become fake? 😂

Where can you get high quality fakes?

​​@@camerontapscotttry ProxyKing they r really good. I don't use proxies/counterfeit cards but i 100% support them for players who just wanna play without breaking the bank.

Try with your phone first. Some phone will always process the image taken through hdr and things like that, making this method not viable with that phone. So it depends on the phone.

This.method only works on real cards with real card backs

Exactly! Well said :)

You mean $1,000 plus smartphone . What are you buying for $250?

Chances are you're already going to have the smartphone lol

Smart phones also serve many more useful functions outside of checking cards. So it has that going for it as well lol

You can get a decent smartphone for $100 easy idk what ya'll smokin.

It would be very difficult at the microscopic level to replicate

@@DismalDante Agreed but as it exists it could be recreated, though likely not cheaply enough for those who make fake cards and proxies.

They would need the same printer basically. If you could make cards indestinguishable would they even be fake?

@@54321eclipse12345 Exactly and thats why it is not gonna happen as the fakers do not want to invest that much money into their scams, those types of printers are very expensive. They would be as they would not be produced by WOTC though given their recent behavior i would not give a rip.

@@54321eclipse12345 that’s some deep philosophical shit right there. If they’re so good you can’t tell them apart from real ones then you pretty much just gotta accept that they’re legit now

Can you share a picture you took of the card?

@@DismalDante I am messing with the reply options in KZfaq and I am not seeing an option to post a picture.

One option: You can use imgbb.com and upload the picture and share link to it

if its so difucult to distinguist the real from fake onew , in the end it doaesnt matter!. So wher do you all find this fake ones. Bacause i have never see one

@@SkulosGav I agree, if the proxies are so good that they are flawless, then for players it doesn't matter if someone accuses you of using it because it will pass any test. We would still have the problem of devaluing the singles market though if people start selling a ton to stores/buy listings or simply stop buying from stores all together.

Lolol but in all seriousness, it would still be hard for counterfeit printers to do this since these dot patterns are built into the printer itself. They would likely need the same exact printer as the official factories and even then it would still be hard. The real cards themselves have plenty of other variances as it is.

Ai really doesn't apply here. We just need a high enough scan and print for this method. If you think in wrong tell me how AI applies.

@@footstol66 AI and digital printing will likely be able to be programmed to make nearly an exact and/or an indistinguishable copy, it's just a matter of time. Wizard's of the coast will have to use their sorcery to design a new method of authenticity.

@@JarodM they already did, you gotta check for example the Micro-text with WIZARDS in the holo stamp. Not so easy to duplicate that one.

I was talking about the picture taken with a smartphone, where you won't be able to see the 4 red dots. Yes, you can see it with a loupe, but this method is for those that do t have a loupe

Glad I could help!

Good catch, but Im not sure it would work for all fakes, but it is true for the ones I have checked. Making a fake with full cyan in the blue spot would probably be relatively easy, since it doesn't depend on the print dot angle or density, only making the cyan dots bigger to fill in the blue spot

I think I said "no tools to buy" Most people have a smartphone 🤪

@@DismalDante Yeah, and a lot of those smartphones can't take such microscopic pictures. Even with a magnifier attachment, my phone can't do this. Fortunately I have a loupe.

True, but he didn't say this was the only way. This is one way, a rather simple way, to use in conjunction with other methods.

Pics or It Didn't Happen 😉

Although this method works on most cards, Alternative 4th Edition cards may be an exception. Can you share an image of the back of your Fellwar Stone that you have? You can use imgbb.com and upload the picture and share link to it

@@DismalDante just go to timestamp 6:10 in the video linked below (the whole video is very good to see the difference for alternate fourth cards: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otJypMh-lrCboas.html

Thanks, I agree these Alternative 4th edition cards look totally different. Since they were never officially released to the public by Wizards, I wouldn't think much product would be out there, but I'll put a disclaimer to warn others.

@@DismalDante sounds great. There isn't very much, but not extremely few either (like summer) so if someone gets a fourth edition card that feels off, I'd say it's just as probably that it is a real alternate, than a fake... :)

nobody cares about 3. world lands where people dont have a smartphone and a pc. You really think this people have time and money to buy magic cards?! Stopid