They probably own the real time twister and he sends it in to get graded then opens it and resells with a fake card, then resends the real card to PSA grading again. Rinse and repeat.

You should keep the empty case in the store and be like: *This card is so valuable that poor people can't even see it*

Rudy, the reason the second breaking open made a mess, is because the glue bonds the Plastic so good, that when you opened it a second time, the fault line of the original break is so strong, it has to make a second pathway. ie most glues bond by fusing the plastic. I don't think the original case was sealed properly. but when it was re-glued, then rudy's tool caused it to fault in a different area as the original seal (which is now re-glued) and is now much stronger than it was originally. so hence that why it got all chewed up ie it followed a different path second time.

Be careful guys, I got word a group has been procuring identical card slabs the top graders are using, and the same ultrasonic slab welders. They are cracking gem mint slabs taking the label and card out then putting a 9 grade raw card and the gem mint label in the identical slabs and welding them. They then send the gem mint back in as raw for grading. The end up with 2 gem mint slabbed cards. I have been fruitlessly warning graders that having removable labels that aren't glued inside slab, or using security laser etching on the slab itself that this will continue.

Now this is a Florida man I can get behind. No wacky news headlines, just some super authentic Chinese magic cards for our viewing pleasure.

“I would estimate the value of his card to be $3-4000... Let me compare it to my collection of 12 of them”

That's why I just buy the counterfeit directly instead of getting hosed trying to buy a real one. Much less expensive and my playgroup doesn't care lol

The guy spent $3000 on a card and never got around to looking at it till several months later? I'm not usually one that blames the victims but come on....

From now on I'll send my PSA cards to be graded for BGS, so they will be double sealed.

Plot twist: the guy didn’t get hosed, he’s just getting your review of how good his case switch looks so he can scam people

I don't know how I got here... I usually have food recommendations lol. But I did watch the entire video, i don't even know how to play Magic hahaha.

Rare misprinted psa 7 unlimited time twister. shipped without product inside. $20k minimum. Hope Rudy puts that rare bad boy on Craigslist.

PSA may have a log of that barcode and who it was shipped to. If they can show that they are grading multiple of the same cards at the same grade to that one account then that should almost be the nail in the coffin for this mystery.

Imagine how many tacos you could have bought with that money...

When I googled psa and the number it brought up some weird ebay link... for an old sale of that card

I collect non Magic PSA cards this shit is terrifying, I thought PSA cases go cloudy when opened or cracked.

Rude dog! I primarily played magic back in the day when...well, when the cards first came out. Anywho, you've been getting me back into magic lately, and even considering magic as an interesting investment option. How interesting the magic market! Good work, sir.

The yellowing on the case s probably from a heat gun used to soften up the glue so they can pry it open a little to do what you did. Just have to re-glue the case after.

My guess is Rudy would be qualified to testify at trial in a court of law as an expert in the field of MTG card litigation disputes.

Never collected magic but man thats some intresting stuff right here.

I like how you share your knowledge of magic that's years of experience us Timmy's dont have. Thank for learning us

When Rudy said you can spot problems from a distance, I was thinking: "Well, from this distance, that looks like a perfectly passable Revised-Edition Timetwister ... Waiddasecond ..."

There will come a time when the scammers will figure it out, flood the market with dupes, and crash legacy values. Now, let me take my Zoltan Mystic head wrap off.

Had to laugh so hard when i noticed the 2 in the mana symbol.

I got two PSA 10 slabbed pokemon cards (from the same seller) that could never grade for 10s. I've been worried about those. I've been scared people can crack open real PSA 10 slabs and then replace the 10 with something that'd never get a 10, then reseal and sell. Very scary.

Appreciate these videos. Gotta stay ahead of these scammers

"since Egyptian times" Lol XD

Great video..well informative..Thanks my main man!!

Something that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned, but the little circles from the printer on the real card are all lined up straight, y'know like they were printed on a big sheet and then cut. But the fake one has them at an angle.

Thank you for this video!!!! It needs more views

There are no extra cases. He is most likely swaping the real card with a fake and then sending the real card off to be graded over and over.

Rudy just casually pulls out 30k worth of cards

It's a shame people get away with stuff like this

Thanks for heads up

This whole back story is as fishy as they come. Fan theories below: 1. The person who “bought” it made up the story. They actually made the card sleeve and faked it themselves. And sent the card to Rudy to see if it would past the Rudy test before they tried to sell it off as the real deal. The back story on this card is so awful and makes zero sense. 2. Rudy actually tracked this card down and made up the back story. That way this will put fear into the high end buyers and may turn some people off of buying the super high end stuff. So he personally can pick it up cheaper. It would all be for personal gain. This is just fan theory. Love the content Rudy!

Track down who the original owner of the card was from the registry. If the label is authentic it means that at some point the owner removed the label and original card.Then they got the fake case. Added the fake card, and real label to the fake case to try and pass it off as a real graded time twister.

"Sonically welded" is the term you were looking for.

Rudy flexes his collection of UNL Timetwisters for 13 minutes

Drop everything I'm doing just to watch Rudy. I love this channel!

Thanks for the info Ruby

This is what happened: dude bought a PSA 7 Timetwister. Dude very skillfully opened the PSA case, swapped out the card with a fake. Dude then sold both for $3,000 a piece and profited, OR Dude sold the fake PSA graded one for $3,000, kept the Timetwister for free.

Thank you for your service!

Woah!! I’ve never seen the WSB fella in the back😂🤌🏻

I don’t know nothing about Magic, but wow thanks for sharing the video. I’m sure they are doing this with sports cards too. Thanks for sharing, great video. 👍🏼😊

When/If I ever decide to start investing in power, I am sending Rudy a plane ticket to come verify everything with me on site.

Rudy, sorry if you already did a video on this, but can you do something explaining the different generations of counterfeit cards you refer to? In my opinion there's not enough educational resources out here explaining how to identify a counterfeit.

i know a little bit about magic but didnt know they also had fakes out there also amazing opening that slab now i know how to open a slab more efficiently

So quick question I'm kinda a novice at collection but would the case yellow and the card fade for UV the bad card design would be a the give away but do the cards fade from light ive woundered this and this made me think about it

Tragic is the man,great channel and great content

:55 did he say “no it wasn’t a shady person like me” 😒 lol

Would have been cool to see the light test when it's in the case, that's probably the best was to see its a fake PSA/Beckett.

look at the 2.. the 2 is trying to make a run for it

So I was watching this video, and I was intrigued, it turns out they can be purchased on ebay. If you look just under the label the case has 4 circles. I compared to one of my PSA cases and mine don't have those circles. It's a real shame people use those cases for the wrong intent.

Wonder if you could do the light test with the card in the PSA case? I would think it would still work! The thing is now the counterfeiters will try and make cards that don't show the yellow. By exposing them they learn how to make better fakes. Nothing you can do but try and stay ahead.

BTW I got the exact same one. Approx. 10 years ago. Seems that even back in the day they tried counterfeiting cards. I did a bend test and the card split in the middle...

I am interested in how they re-sealed the case so well. A better fake would be really hard to determine since the case is sealed so well. Basically, how do we know if other cases have also been resealed? Or if someone has a bunch of unused PSA cases and just has to crack authentic cards for their PSA labels? The only way you know is if you have it in your hands and try to break it open... not many sellers would be comfortable with that.

Wow, I used to make color copies of cards when I made myself some proxies for playtesting. That fake Timetwister has the same washed out colors a photocopy would give.

Tavis showed on his channel some grading errors. One of them was the card not being sealed by psa. I guess that's how you could get an empty case...

Any ideas on what to do with a pokémon collection from my childhood? They are well kept in binders, so some might be good enough to be worth more than pennies. I should add that I don’t live in Europe or the US. ^^’ Point me in a direction please. You seem very wel informed on trading cards in general even though this was a MTG video.

How do you become a patron? I haven’t opened some packs In awhile I wanna buy a box of Alliances and have em open it,,that was probably my favorite set from back in the day..

OMG! GLUE!! I am glad im watching this. I want to get some old graded MTG cards in my new future on eBay. Whew glad this was not on ebay.

every magic collector needs to buy a jewelers scope and just look at the yellow dot on back or the purple ring is quickest way to authentic cards quickly. Get use to the dot pattern and it's easy to verify.

Love your channel Rudy!

Want to return it to a "factory seal" Just get a little bit of utra clear epoxy, a small vaccum chamber (like literally the size of the case and a hair more) and a heat gun. - Slide the old one out - Slide the new one in - Apply a smidgen of heat - Epoxy away (a little bit of excess is fine as you can snip it off which makes it look even more *Authentic* ) - little time in the old suckerooney box - profit I'd reckon a bit over 40% of these cards are fakes. It's getting so bad that now we're constantly pulling old fakes out of second-hand cases....

A few years ago (about 15) I picked up a Library of Alexandria PSA 10 which I had a lot of doubts about: it looked perfectly legit, except it obviously wasn't mint (a very slight impact on the right side) and the PSA seal seemed to have been opened, because it is as if the card was no longer under vacuum inside, but the seal seemed perfect. I never managed to find out if she was actually legit or not.

The effect on the Sorcery text you're talking about is called stroke

Thank you Rudy :)

Also, it's graded NM, but there's visible wear on the corners.

Just moved a superman 8/8 and a thanos mono black indestructible high quality playable foil magic the gathering cards for 35$ for two hand made from real rare

This is very concerning for online card purchases, as even if the card is graded, you're still not safe buying online. I would definitely be paying with a buyer protected payment method such as PayPal or Credit Card, and please people, don't wait months to look at your purchases!!!

I was looking for credit card fraud schemes explained and I got this

Does my dude have a WSB clock in the background in August of 2019? OG baller :)

Are their more counterfeit videos you have? Especially on dual lands, I’m wanting to buy more and I have some basic knowledge but would like some more insight

My big question centers around the misaligned mana “2”. Why is it that way? Are counterfeits really high res scans of real cards or are the individual design components of a card de/reconstructed with editing software?

Someone on KZfaq a while back was showing off counterfeit psa case with fake holo sticker and everything.

Now I have this empty case... where did I put my fake Black Lotus... "Hey Timmies, boy do I have an offer for you... a PSA 10 Black Lotus!"

Those cases are pretty easy to find and pretty cheap. Looks very similar to psa cases except they can be opened when closed without cracking too much. I brought a bunch of those cases from the china town I live near to.

The owner of the real card send it in and gets it back from PSA, and then he opens it some how with out damaging the case then inserts the fake card. After that he sales it as if it is real card to the individual that bought and you could tell PSA what happened to get the person info, but there could be a possibility that it was sold by the original owner.

10:52 2 in mana circle is straight up atrocious

thank you for proving me right today thank you for sharing this video I am trying to teach people that just because cards are encapsulated does not make them authentic China is at the forefront of destroying collectibility and they have been for a hundred years plus.. I believe the only way is once you buy a PSA graded card you have to have it regraded either by the same company or a different one maybe they can step their game up and put tracking on these cards so it can be confirmed who owns it

I imagine the counterfeiters purposefully make the copy poor quality so, like with spam emails that are clearly fake, it only attracts those who are gullible or haven’t a clue. Surely the grading companies ID their labels and log who that label was created for?!

Also don't buy something where you have 0 chance of ever getting your money back if you can't personally inspect it.

Question, what set does the light test stop working for?

I just started being interested in buying some slabs because I started buying higher end vintage cards. How do I educate myself throughly to protect myself. I know mistake will be made but I need to make sure

Lol, lost it at "the 2 is trying to make a run for it!"

The scammers are getting even more creative...

Wow, what a turbo nutslap for Timmy Jr

I just saw your video from today that referenced this video and when I saw the PSA label I shit myself and had to find this video because I just bought a PSA 10 2002 Mcdonalds Promo Pokemon card with the same style of case. Mine isn't like all fucked up tho and the card isn't fake but I thought you where gotta say the label is fake. No weird marks on the side and it's clean.

I got a little nervous watching this! I actually pulled out my own Unlimited Timetwister for the first time in years and started inspecting it!

People are doing similar things with comics. I bought a Chew #1 CGC 9.9 and the book didn’t look like a 9.9 and the case had some tool marks on it. Luckily it was eBay so I returned it.

Now can sell counterfeit cards to go along with the counterfeit signatures! Gigitty

Some guy at PSA got mad at his paycheck. Grabbed a bunch of holders and his login still works to print id plates......and then he logged into craigslist

Can any flashlights work or do you have to have a pacific type of flashlight tools to find out whether it's real or fake?

PSA 10 GEM MINT TIME TWISTER....DANG ..GOD DAMN HOLY COW

thx for this video

I used to install cable and internet. Working in a house once and saw a guy had a bunch of cards and open psa cases. It was in the hood. I didn't ask any questions but I know he isn't only person doing this.

The sad thing is your average person, or probably at least 90% of people out there have no clue how to look for these kinds of scams anyway, so you could just go to any game store and just rip off pretty much everybody. I mean just a few weeks ago I was doing trades and I have a bunch of collector's edition cards, and the people looking at it didn't even know that it was collector's edition and they just thought it was beta cards and they were getting all excited about it like it was worth a ton of money.

Where did you purchase the tool?

Rudy, I gotta have that Vesuvan Doppelganger mat! How many tacos do i have to eat on video for you to bestow that wonderful piece of artwork that I've been collecting many copies of? Throw me a number, I must have that mat!

I don’t play magic and never have but these videos are fascinating