Beta Dungeons of Ocarina of Time

Beta Dungeons of Ocarina of Time | Zelda Cut Content

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The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time had a long development cycle that many elements cut and changed. Very prominately were it's dungeons that changed through development. So today on Cut Content, we look at the removed dungeon of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
Credits to all the amazing people:
Leaked "Ganon's Tower" Dungeon Mod:
Dr. Disco
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Footage of Beta Iron Knuckle with two shields and Beta Octorok:
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• alpha octorok test
Zelda 64 Beta Images:
Zelda's Secret Ocarina (Through Waybackmachine)
web.archive.org/web/200602082...
Beta Stalfo animation footage:
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Ganondorf battle in Beta "Room 116" Footage:
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• Ganondorf (Full Battle...
Beta Zelda trailer compilation:
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• Zelda 64 Beta Compilation
Footage of Link at the "wind section" of the Shadow temple:
Waifu Simulator 27
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Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction to Beta Dungeons of Ocarina of Time
0:31 - Beta Dungeon from the Giga Leak - Beta Ganon's Tower
4:44 - Beta Stalfo Dungeon - Debug Rom - Room 120
5:26 - Beta Stalfo Dungeon Boss - Debug Rom - Room 121
6:00 - Early Test Dungeon - Zelda 1 Remake Dungeon - Triforce
6:52 - Ganondorf Beta Boss Room - Debug Room - Room 116
7:22 - Wind Temple - Wind Medallion
8:12 - Ice Temple - Ice Medallion
9:00 - Extro
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@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching everyone! Welcome to the new Zelda Cut Content series! Give the video a like if you liked this and i'll plan to be back with more Zelda Cut Content soon.

@dakotakirkpatrick1335 3 жыл бұрын

Have you did a video on Zelda gaiden

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

@@dakotakirkpatrick1335 nothing yet, but I'd like to eventually

@Dat_Thing88 Жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer pronominalen

@themapcartographer5952 3 жыл бұрын

5:42 That sword combo looked cool, even smoothly transitioned to a spin attack which is really neat.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly it looks amazing and in many ways I wonder why it was changed other than maybe they wanted more straight forward sword techniques instead of combos

@robintst 2 жыл бұрын

At this point, after see so much stuff about the beta builds, I'm willing to bet the Wind Temple was changed into the Forest Temple because they either couldn't come up with enough engaging puzzles with those wind mechanics you see in that portion of Ganon's Castle and/or they were extremely frustrating and just not fun enough to warrant an entire dungeon.

@TheObsessiveGamer 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can agree with this being the reason. I mean the most we got out of Wind Puzzles were limited to a bunch of fans at most using the hover boots. It wasn't till Wind Waker that we got good Wind Puzzles in the Wind Temple using the Deku Leaf

@ZombifiedBuizel Жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer I discovered a softlock in the Wind Temple. It requires a cheat device. There's a few codes that grant infinite items in your Spoils Bag. On the Action Replay Pro a few of those are incorrectly programmed. I know for sure the code for infinite Blue Chu Jelly is incorrect. It appears to have no effect, that is, until you go into the Wind Temple. After getting the Hookshot you can use it to latch onto the trees Makar plants to progress the temple. Makar helpfully notes that you can use your Hookshot on his trees. This is the softlock. With the code enabled Makar will continue to tell you this trapping you in place because immediately after closing his text box he talks to you again and again. For some reason the Blue Chu Jelly code affects Makar's code in the Wind Temple causing that text box to infinitely loop.

@solariswly 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting to see the very different art style the beta had.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. It was a lot more cartoony but they went with a more "manga" appearance in the end.

@TheBrandedOne2003 2 жыл бұрын

Will anyone work on a restoration project with the unreleased Giga leak files??

@solariswly 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBrandedOne2003 Probably. most games with interesting betas get recreations.

@rydundant 10 ай бұрын

This and the rest of the cut content playlist may be the best sleep content I’ve ever come across, couldn’t count the amount of time I’ve watched it. Hope my premium benefits have done something for you :)

@TheObsessiveGamer 10 ай бұрын

Damn, didn't realize I am that boring xP (I kid I kid, I know what you mean lol) Well must be nice that it keeps growing longer too in this case lol

@Akashi880 3 жыл бұрын

5:21 reminds me of the way Link's Awakening dungeons are designed

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Good observation. Since Link's Awakening was the last Zelda game prior to OOT, I imagine they were using some designs from that game as inspiration.

@xWBqRh4hkUc 3 жыл бұрын

something cool is the textures for the triforce room were used on the platform for the first bowser fight in mario 64.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Oh that's interesting, never noticed. Though it would be the other way around as Zelda 64 was using the finished Mario 64 engine. So they likely used the Bowser texture again.

@NativS2002 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer They were developed at the same time. Mario 64's engine was probably the first thing finished out of that game.

@nekomancer545 3 жыл бұрын

4:58 i think they used this in majoras mask when you have to fight those skeletons and have to fire arrows at the curtains to burn them so the skeletons get hurt/burned by the light.

@DaGamePlace 3 жыл бұрын

Area at 4:10, looks somewhat like Wind Waker’s Tower of the Gods at the top. And the area at 4:57 looks somewhat like Majora’s Mask Ikana Castle’s Throne Room.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they reused some old ideas again. I know it's trend in Zelda development to do that.

@asmongoldsmouth9839 3 жыл бұрын

I *REALLY WISH* that all of OoT and M.M. cut content could be re-interlaced back into the games. I remember OoT boasting in magazines that it had 300 hours of gameplay adventure. Imagine if all cut content was not removed. Even if it gave us an extra 50 hours that would be awesome. Although those games never took ANY of us 300 hours to beat. LoL

@FlamesTheCyndaquil 2 жыл бұрын

unless you are very bad, like me ;-;

@ZombifiedBuizel Жыл бұрын

@@FlamesTheCyndaquil Don't feel too bad about it. Farthest I've ever gotten when I was little was the Shadow Temple. That was after struggling with previous temple for awhile. I breeze through it now. As with Majora's Mask I was stuck at Snowhead for ages. I had no idea where to go for the longest time. I don't exactly breeze through it but I have a much easier time now.

@aleahallen8761 Жыл бұрын

@ZombifiedBuizel I softlocked OoT the first time I played. I got stuck on snowhead and couldn't beat it. The only loz game I've beaten with getting super stuck or softlocking is BoTW. 😅

@Caldor64 3 жыл бұрын

Link's Awakening had statues with big tongues that you could pull, and it would open doors. That's probably what those were for

@bigangenbygang 7 ай бұрын

The final sections of the beta tower really feel like the Tower of the Gods from Wind Waker. Might've got reworked into that after it was scrapped in OOT. Especially the glowing circle and outdoor sections. The ideas that were in the Tower of the Gods might've been experimented around with and shelved, and then brought back years later. It just looks too similar to be a coincidence, especially the top of the tower and the glowing circle. Those are directly just lower quality versions of things from WW.

@zsck 3 жыл бұрын

You make an amazing work with all your videos. Keep doing a great job!

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! planning to keep doing that :)

@The_Legend_Maybe 3 жыл бұрын

Now this was a very well done video Obsessive, and super interesting too. They honestly did tweak many of these locations to fit else where. Side note too the beta Link just looks too off for me haha

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yep all in the process of development to get the masterpiece we did today. And yeah Beta Link definately looks off, but I guess this is why he was upgraded to his final design eventually

@KayvonJavid 3 жыл бұрын

8:02 fun fact the forest temple ocarina midi sequence file in the game is called NA_BGM_OCA_WIND.

@KayvonJavid 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer I meant that it indicated that it was for a wind temple

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

@@KayvonJavid oh sorry I replied to the wrong person there with that comment. But yeah I noticed how alot of these file names for the Forest Temple refer to it as "wind" including the Medallion name. Thanks for watching!

@gratees9690 2 жыл бұрын

Stalfos dungeon could have been repurposed to Ikana Castle, kinda just saying that based on the boss being a bigger stalfos and the way the light beams through windows

@TheObsessiveGamer 2 жыл бұрын

That is possible. The Stalfos dungeon definitely was a rather simplistic dungeon with neat lighting effects from what we have seen. So it is possible some of it was repurposed to be Ikana Castle

@-liomus-8197 3 жыл бұрын

something maybe of note, the blue and red tile floor dungeon matches the coloration of the final stalfos design, which seems to have been in there. maybe a dungeon themed around that?

@fensterscheibe6251 3 жыл бұрын

was du gerade machtst ist gut und sehr intressant. so kriegst du die 10.000 abonenten :3

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Danke!

@ElliottEntertainmentChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Are you gonna do Chuck E. Cheese’s Party Games after the Zelda series? Sorry for asking you again just making sure you know

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

There is not too much demand for it or search, so no plans to do it right away. Maybe one day

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Maybe at some point? Demand isn't that high for it at the moment, but I can keep in consideration for some point later.

@ElliottEntertainmentChannel 3 жыл бұрын

The Obsessive Gamer I’m glad you find it interesting, I datamined all of those stuff because I love the game

@moca6655 6 ай бұрын

4:00 My theory is that it may have been intended to be a moving circular platform, similarly seen in the Forest Temple Stalfos room. Perhaps the light is supposed to represent light shining in from the room below?

@xii-nyth4101 8 ай бұрын

that light effect is just a colour to alpha gradient that gets used on all faces. thats why the overlapiing parts are more opaque

@CCicchini 3 жыл бұрын

Room 120 reminds me of the fight in Majoras Mask to get the song of emptiness.

@evanwilliams6406 3 жыл бұрын

Beta Ocarina of Time had a Link to the Past look to it, I am kind of happy they changed it for the final product.

@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854 3 жыл бұрын

Excited for Part 2!!

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

yep planning for release later this week (maybe by Sunday)

@jonathanplooij3666 Жыл бұрын

thanks for the video

@Zeusifer 3 жыл бұрын

You deserve way more subs

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! we have been growing, so hopefully we will keep growing.

@sipeb587 3 жыл бұрын

I was here- Me.

@thatdudewiththeplant Жыл бұрын

The "beta stalfos dungeon" reminds me an afully lot of ikana castle throne room.

@Dairunt1 Жыл бұрын

I would love an Ocarina of Time remake/reimagining, similar to FF7 Remake, where they rescue all of these missing elements and expand the lore a bit. Or unlock "memories" showing moments from the seven-year time gap from the sages' perspective.

@MyNameIsntRyan 3 жыл бұрын

I believe thanks to the new leaks we now know this is Beta Ganon's castle.

@MLife1000 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Not a problem!

@JohneAHHHHHHHHH 3 жыл бұрын

hope he goes into detail about the dungeon cause I already saw some videos on it

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Alot of details on THAT dungeon plus other Cut Dungeons

@AzureRoxe 3 жыл бұрын

Taking into account how big the confirmation is, i'm amazed that you didn't mention that the gigaleak confirmed that the Medallions were originally supposed to be seals and that you COULD grab the Triforce. Those leaks truly lit up the Nintendo fanbase, especially the ones that do theories on all this stuff.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

The gigaleak did indeed show that you could use the medallions, but this video wasn't about items but rather about the dungeons themselves. I'll plan to eventually get to stuff like that in another video. Also I never heard of anything confirming if you could grab the triforce other than that one scene in that beta dungeon I showed, which we don't even know the context off so much. But yes, they really did light these up, I hope for a Gigaleak 3 one day eventually so we could get that final missing dungeon in full too.

@AzureRoxe 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer Can't recall who was the first i saw that mentioned it, but during the same reveal that the medallions are actually seals, it was also revealed that the Triforce icon in the middle also lit up, as if you gained it.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

@@AzureRoxe Well the Medallions were items you actually could use in place of the three spells we got name but they worked slightly differently. Triforce lighting up and the three acting as a seal are news to me. I would need to see some source to reference for such things. I can try to look into and see if anything comes up. Thanks for bringing it up and thanks for watching!

@davisbowe8668 2 жыл бұрын

The outside stairway sections almost look like a proto-Tower of the Gods from Wind Waker.

@TheObsessiveGamer 2 жыл бұрын

First thing I thought lol. I imagine some inspiration may have been taken from this to make that section potentially

@xdudeawesome2769 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know about you, but I'd love to use those beta flames for custom levels. Of course I'll include the other flames, too.

@xdudeawesome2769 3 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine going through a custom dark castle level with torches (with both beta and final flames), complete with Krook's March from DKC2, remixed with the OoT Soundfont?

@z3roo0 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I always found it odd how the ice dungeon and water temple somehow were conntected. Why would lowering the water level cause the Zora's Domain to freeze over? Makes zero sense. Also as you said, the medallion looks like a snow flake, not a water droplet.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

I more saw it as Ganon's curse on them by freezing them over but also lowering the water level.

@davisbowe8668 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's more of the other way around. Ganon freezing Zora's Domain causes the water level in Lake Hylia (which is the main source of fresh water in Hyrule) to lower.

@user-rf3xq5rr9w 2 ай бұрын

Do you want an advice to get everything you want to know about a game ? Get in touch with his developper you have them all in the credits and sometimes even the wikipedia page

@robertgosney5657 3 жыл бұрын

Well I know I have heard that there was supposed to be a light temple that you were supposed to complete before you get the light medallion and meet the light sage can't seem to remember his name at the moment. And I think I heard the various rooms you go through to dispelle the barrier is sort of just left over from that dungeon.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Light Temple tbh is more wishful thinking for a long time by the fanbase. There has never been any evidence of a dungeon being planned for it actually. As far as we understand, you were always to be given it (originally by Zelda, later by Rauru)

@robertgosney5657 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer well it was probably something I saw talked about in a Did You Know video series here on KZfaq I think I remember that room that you met Rauru was supposed to be part of the temple of light but really that's about all I actually knew about it.

@escopeto7849 2 ай бұрын

2:16 Everybody talking circles around the "L is real 2401" inscription, and yet no one questions the subheadline.

@leberpower2022 3 жыл бұрын

Question, can you talk about the beta and unused enemies and characters next ?

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Haha beta and unused enemies is my next video actually.

@leberpower2022 3 жыл бұрын

The Obsessive Gamer thank you very much, I hope it will very interesting

@m0002856 2 жыл бұрын

What I find odd is the Water Temple using the Ice Medallion logo. It seemed like the Ice and Water temples could have very well been two entirely separate things since we did find beta maps for the Water Temple Dungeon, right? I wonder if that means the Ice Temple was scrapped very early on in development and they just decided to re-use the Ice Medallion for the Water Temple? But it would make sense to have two separate ones. The Water Temple would be responsible for Lake Hylia losing most of its water, which would be bad for Hyrule by itself. The Ice Temple would have made sense to be related to the fact that Zora's Domain is frozen over, and we even find the Ice Mini Dungeon in the back of Zora's Domain where Jabu-Jabu used to be. I wonder who the Ice and Water Sages would have been then? Would Ruto have been Ice, or would she still have been Water?

@TheObsessiveGamer 2 жыл бұрын

Well it's hard to say exactly what the story is around the Water Temple, but I theorize that they tried an Ice Temple (which infact its name stayed as Ice Temple until later in development too) but couldn't come up with good enough puzzles to warrant an entire dungeon to ice, so they segregated it to just being a mini-dungeon instead and made the Water Temple extra heavy on water in the end. That and the other theory which I discussed with someone else last week here was that maybe they were one dungeon originally where you had ice puzzles together with water puzzles, but since water was so overwhelming, they separated out the ice elements into its own mini-dungeon. But alas, they likely didn't bother changing the ice symbol on the medallion for whatever reason. If they were to be concurrent Temples, maybe Ruto would take the Ice Temple being Zora related and all, while Malon could have fit the water temple then as she is from Hyrule proper that Lake Hylia belongs to. Neat to really theorize.

@m0002856 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer Yeah I agree. It’s interesting to theorize how this would have potentially played out. It’s one of those things we can’t really be sure of unless a developer flat out tells us. The Water Temple could have been both the Ice and Water, or maybe they were originally separate before being merged into one and then they moved the Ice puzzles out like you mentioned. It would make sense that they were one dungeon since I never really understood how we were able to use those water jets like elevators in the Water Temple. Wouldn’t it make more sense if we were standing on ice that was pushed up by the water? Maybe platforms that float to the surface of the water were originally ice platforms as well. That would also make more sense considering those platforms we got in the finished version dont exactly look buoyant. We might never have an answer as the ice and water dungeons being merged together might have never made it past the brainstorming phase. Like.. the earliest game files we can find might show the Water Temple always having those strangely buoyant platforms, but the original concept might have stemmed from having platforms made of ice.

@m0002856 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer Also interesting is the fact that we can probably be sure that the Medallions lost their functionality as items before Nintendo decided on having the Water and Ice dungeons separated. There’s no information to suggest we were ever going to have a Water Medallion, right? If we could pinpoint the exact timeline of when the idea of the Medallions being used as items was scrapped, we could identify the earliest timeframe that the Ice Temple was the only water/ice themed dungeon in the game. That could possibly shed some light, or it might not lol I guess it all depends.

@m0002856 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer Also also: it’s really cool you still reply to new comments on these nearly year old videos :) makes it worthwhile to comment, and maybe we can piece together new information from speculation.

@DarkPsychoMessiah 3 жыл бұрын

22 years after release and we are still finding new stuff

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

and this is why after 17 years of being in the Zelda Cut Content community, I still haven't left it lol

@DarkPsychoMessiah 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer If this is what the relatively small OoT has hidden imagine the motherload that'd be TP or BoTW cut content

@TotallySearch 3 жыл бұрын

Usually the betas are better than the final but in this case it's kinda in between

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. Zelda OOT just kept improving. They made the right calls. The only thing was condensing towns cause of N64 limitation unfortunately

@f10pped36 3 жыл бұрын

Tbh I think that if the 64 DD version was successful/wasn't canceled maybe they might have had been able to have big cities like that

@schwiftynintendonerd 3 жыл бұрын

i have subscribed for these zelda videos .. not many people i subscribe to normally .. lol

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it so much that you subbed! I got plenty more Zelda videos planned.

@118Link 3 жыл бұрын

that also could have been the inside of hyrule castle before Ganon took over.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe? Though looks a tad round for Hyrule Castle imo

@asmongoldsmouth9839 3 жыл бұрын

I have replayed and beat NES LoZ 50+ times. I also beat the 2nd quest (Master quest) I found by accident in the 80s like 30 times (before anyone knew ANYTHING about Zelda). In my town I was the kid everyone called for Zelda walkthroughs and tips when they got stuck. LoL I was obsessed. Then the same for A Link to the Past. Then on my birthday OoT was released. I got it and obsessed about it. I beat it hundreds of times. I studied every texture and detail and story. I needed help. I was engulfed by the incredible stories and history. Then I got my hands on something most Americans had no idea about. Master Quest. This was before Americans started buying Japanese consoles and games as they do today. I beat the living piss out of OoT MQ as well. Wash, rinse, repeat.

@brianz7362 3 жыл бұрын

Did you get Mario 3D all stars? Regardless, what do you think of it? I know a lot of people are upset that it’s just emulated with almost no changes (except unfortunate removal of so long gay bowser)

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Yep I did. I like how it plays and really happy to just have these 3 games on the go now. I don't mind the lack of changes. Portability (and at 1080) are the selling points to me

@CaLemLiza 3 жыл бұрын

3:22 very twilight princess vibes

@themapcartographer5952 3 жыл бұрын

7:52 If you look closely at the design and colour of the bricks the Wind Temple in OOT may have been gold and orange in its design.

@polyman6859 3 жыл бұрын

This kinda shit is my crack. I absolutely love cut content explorations in Zelda games.

@totallynotmichael1137 3 жыл бұрын

Yo, just wanted to let you know something! There's an image of an icon for the triforce in the leak. Instead of being greyed out like the inventory screen, it's white. This just honestly PROVES it was meant to be collectible.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen or heard that before. Can I source to further look into this?

@totallynotmichael1137 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer I remember hearing it in a video a while ago. Forgot which it was tho. I only remember it was about OOT and the Gigaleak.

@alexangle4007 3 жыл бұрын

Here you go! twitter.com/MrCheeze_/status/1293713114886811648?s=20 Scroll down to August 12th. He's also got a more skeptical take on it.

@pikutastic 3 жыл бұрын

Is this like, floating in midair somewhere, or hidden in the code? This was before the premiere so don’t call me dumb

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Well all maps are floating technically. But these are both found in code, from leaks, and from development days

@dakotakirkpatrick1335 3 жыл бұрын

I love your zelda videos

@pikutastic 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer okie!

@revinevan87 2 жыл бұрын

It's FAN BLADES, not a windmill

@WarDogMadness 3 жыл бұрын

so iron knucle was duel shielding before dark souls

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

He was too powerful for the game in the end clearly :P

@eduardobote4641 Ай бұрын

Nintendo would sell A LOT if they released a new OoT remake with all the cut content 🤧

@Tazerboy_10 3 жыл бұрын

You're a gamer that is obsessed with the OoT Beta content...

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

I would say more than just OOT Beta, but that is definitely up there lol

@WarDogMadness 3 жыл бұрын

the wind temple is a manji not a windmill thats why its censored in the remakes and later games.

@TheObsessiveGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Might be more for both actually. It is obvious they were going for something that looks like a windmill considering the other Medallions had obvious symbols to represent them like Fire and Water. At the same time the Manji symbol looked like a windmill to use.

@WarDogMadness 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheObsessiveGamer yes i agree manji are usually decor of temples and shrines. can be used to represent divine winds as well as many other meanings. Raijin thunder And Fujin wind nature deity's. and yes windmill, hand fans are some times used to represent the movement of wind.