Darryl Davis who tf r u

@Darryl Davis I don't know how credible your stories are, but I know that last part is a damn lie. You hear the term "extra pass" at least a dozen times on every NBA broadcast.

dude basketball is just 10 men throwing a ball n jumpin

@Darryl Davis I meant the bit about you being credited with first suggesting these advanced analytics.

Darryl Davis You really gotta be racist dude?

Or Reggie Miller

@Gannon Rice steph has a ridiculous gravity

ye, but Kobe had (over that) the skills and height to score anywhere and over double or tripleteams, what Curry could never do. And yet Kobe never had the recognition of that "gravity" as Curry does. Strangely. Maybe he was just too much and was easier to watch away from his greatness

@@JackFury yes but mostly can't overcome it and HAS to pass, instead Kobe could score AND pass in those situations. I hope some days the disrespect on Kobe would stop. Luckily someone is starting to understand how actually good he was, like this channel here

@@Eliras24 Kobe did not pull people as far out as Curry though. Curry has such extended range and a quick release he scares defenders into giving him an inch. Different kind of threat But my comment was not to compare. Different types of players and one on one you'd rather face Curry ever time. Just commenting on the positives a player brings you cannot measure in a stat line

The the midrange is only bad in general, but if you only got a couple seconds on the shot clock, a midrange is a higher percentage shot than a clock violation. It's simply one of your last options, not one of the first several.

I think he has another video explaining why mid-range shots can sometimes be a good idea. I think you might enjoy it!

Great comment, I feel more or less the same way

I see where you’re coming from, but I have found a lot of good sources on basketball metrics that focus on the flaws of using a given stat. One of the best blogs, although it no longer is updated , is skepticalsportsanalysis

Mid range is a good and important shot to be good offensive player. If you make mid range shots then you open game. If someone keeps making mid range the defense must come to him. Which means he pulls defense which creates openings

Shit Rondo made some challenge that lmao

@Grady Shuffett Not better than Jordan Bill Russell or Wilt

Kevin Wall We ain’t talking about the best players. They are talking about the best playmakers, and you know damn well Wilt and Russell weren’t playmakers. 😂

Darryl Davis and yet LeBron rates out as one of the best when he is graded by this criteria.

Darryl Davis Assists averaged don’t mean anything and I don’t know about you but the rules of NBA have changed a hell of a lot since then. Calm tf down as if I attacked you god damn 😂

Which is what is explained here. Without context 5 assists careerwise doesnt seem crazy outstanding(it actually is for a SG) but if you lack the context of not just how he got his assists or how him having the ball made the team more dangerous instantly, but also factors as him playing in the triangle offense system that heavily limits high assists for a player but increases assists opportunities per player. Someone like Curry is an severly underrated playmaker for the exact same reason. Known for shooting in a system in which the offense flows through everybody, but preferbly ending in the hands of the main option if nothing opens up. They mostly start the play or end it, which in a triangle offense motion system, makes it incredibly good to rack up 5-7 assists.

yeah but they overrate his defense so it balances out

Dominic64 TBLightning mans is 12x all defensive. how is his defense overrated. 🤣🤣🤣

Dominic64 TBLightning his defense isn’t overrated tho

@@DavidJimenez-he1tv Some of those defensive selections where unwarranted.

He's a really good example of well balanced as a scorer and passer

Manu is a once in a lifetime kind of player. My absolute favorite guy to watch dribbling a ball. Sometimes, he just goes off, but he always tries to create a situation. His swift moves, the eurostep and his creativity were off the charts. Yet, he was never selfish or forcing anything. But he was THE guy when the Spurs needed a bucket.

Xander Sanders where can i listen to?

@@santiagoperezfernandez9757 Spotify

@@santiagoperezfernandez9757 If you don't like/dont have spotify premium there are a number of free podcast aps you can get too

@@santiagoperezfernandez9757 look it up fr. Thinking basketball podcast on google and scroll because hes done like 27 podcast

where can I find it?

NotZay be original

@@outty7049 right?! Lol.

KillerB86 its a basketball video lol not that deep

@@NotZay also true

And learn data visualization. You can download Tableau Public for free. They have tons of free videos on how to be a chart master.

Thanks for your advise! In fact, I am a senior in high school now and I am applying for a statistics major. Really appreciate the suggestions from you guys and I will definitely go check out that app.

2 or 4$ per month bro

Facts Verse Presents:

Hold on you go to my school nigga

They dont matter when ya can watch this and drink a couple beers smoke a blunt with a buddy do they 😂😂

Yes, they do matter.

Good luck bud

Rimuru stfu

Demarrious Bishop truth hurts

Rimuru true but countless coaches have talked about how smart he is on the court

That was Sacramento.

Kevin Bertalotto all I’m saying is everyone vouches for his IQ and Passing ability without being able to shoot.

And the fact that LeBron does this while creating shots with his offensive skill set makes it all the more impressive.

I'm not sure what Simmons does but LeBron doesn't throw a ton of "elite" passes. Well at least he wasn't in recent years. He was mostly a drive and kick passer to an open 3 point shooter. Now he does occasionally have "elite" pass here and there but he isn't doing this on the regular like say a Steve Nash was.

Kyle lowry is the best pick and roll passer in the league right now

@@tonyschimmoeller4439 One of the things both have in common is their ability to create open 3 pt opportunities. Which other that layups are the most important and. "efficient" shots in basketball Ben does it more with transition opportunities while LeBron is better at it in half court possessions, LBJ is the better offensive player and through that creates for his teammates through that. I'm a Sixers fan so I obviously watch Ben Simmons all the time. He has an advantage with his height to see over defenses but his "gift" and value as a passer is he knows how to "throw people open" the way a great quarterback does his recievers in football. He actually has great vision and anticipation especially in transition and open court opportunities. He can be lazy with his passing and decision making overall and he'll go for the flashy pass at times too often(there are times where making the "simple pass" is part of "winning basketball"). Not to mention, he's usually the primary ball handler on a "pass heavy" team and that leads itself to a high volume of assists and turnovers so stats have to be examined from that context wrt Ben Simmons. But he's a great passer nevertheless and remember he just turned 23 years old and is about to enter his 3rd year in the NBA. Can't and shouldn't be compared to LBJ. Not fair to either of them but LBJ is the better offensive creator easily but Ben doesn't get enough credit for his own play making and "gravity" especially as a passer and finishing at the rim/in the paint/restricted area because everyone focuses on his flaws so heavily.

@@tonyschimmoeller4439 Steve Nash and LBJ have different games and play different positions. Steve Nash is/was "the prototype" size wise as a PG. He "needed" the dribble, rather crafty dribbling, to create scoring opportunities for his teammates so his dribbling was his "gravity." LBJ because of his size, and scoring "gravity"(especially in the paint/restricted area) leads to scoring opportunities without him needing the dribble as much as Steve Nash to create open looks. The ability to create open looks especially 3 pt opportunities and execute with "the right pass" is "elite passing" and since LBJ has always been a "willing passer" especially in comparison to players his size and position(remember he's 6'8" 270 lbs and a POINT FORWARD) and doesn't "need" the dribble to "see" those passes allow turn "simple" passes into "elite" passes and he's a great passer BTW who knows the game inside and out and anticipates those looks happening before it happens. Since Ben Simmons was mentioned: There's a video on KZfaq from SBNation, called "Simmons, The Magician." Yea, very hyperbolic especially since he was just a month into his rookie season at the time. But it's actually a great video. In the video, it compared how the "elite" point guards or primary ball handler needs a high volume of dribbles before getting an assist. Ben Simmons, partly because of the offense that he plays in but most importantly because of his height being able to see over a defense doesn't use or "need" the same volume of dribbles to get assists and his assists generally happen earlier in a possession than the "average" point guard. The catch 22 with Ben, because he doesn't "need" the dribble to create those scoring opportunities, it leads him to having bad habits like "picking up his dribble" which actually limits him from seeing and creating more scoring opportunities especially in the half court whereas Steve Nash is one of the greatest ball handlers/dribblers of all time and knew how to "keep his dribble" like all the great "crafty" point guards in NBA history creating those elite scoring opportunities and passes that general public see. So what I'm saying is that LBJ and Nash were/are "elite" passers. Their games are different and how they use it to create scoring opportunities with their passing is different.

Those people are just.box score watchers

Yup. Wilt was no doubt a very good passer but most of his assists came from his scoring prowess and size so after drawing doubles and triple teams, there would obviously be a an open man . Jokic ‘s assist come more from his vision than his scoring ability.

well to be fair no Pythagorean theorem was used in this video, but statistical measurements (too many to list) were used(also sorry to destroy the joke ;;D)

@@lionelsenga3752 The joke just means that Thinking Basketball makes a good deal of us feel like we should have payed more attention in our are advanced math classes. It doesn't literally mean you have to know what a pythagorean theorem is to watch. the vid or fully understand it ... Or that they used it to get any of these numbers. Just means they use hella math and you gotta pay attention. I could have said "what's the square root of Pi" or any dumb shit that and got just as many likes. Good you know your math though.

Yeah but more people can do that perhaps than hit a high value pass underneath for a layup.

Sad that if Yao was injured T-Mac was healthy and vice versa but the team was still doing fine.

Same

Westbrook is one of the premier creators of all time, infact he's got the highest creation in a season

You do know Westbrook on an average generates the highest number of points from his passes right? Only LeBron James and Ben Simmons come close to the numbers. Last year he literally generated a potential assist every 3 passes which is one of the best in the history of basketball.

@Darryl Davis shitt, I'll be honest I'm only 19 years old. I never really watched MJ play but I find the theoretical aspects really intriguing.

This video downplays Rondo's playmaking ability though. He was elite at the creation part of passing as well. He didn't have the offensive game to attract attention like those you mentioned but he still created shots. In his early years he was more of a facilitate to the guy who creates but that changed as he improved. On a side note, I don't think players that drive and kick are really the best passers. It's easy to pass the ball out to an open player. They may be good playmakers or shot creators but that doesn't mean they are great at passing. I could pass to a wide open player if the entire defense collapses in on me. The best passers are the ones that create lanes that others are unable to create, imo

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rondo is still a great playmaker tho

@@tonyschimmoeller4439 I guess this follows then. Not being a great passer (eye of the needle) doesn't mean you cannot be a great playmaker for your team. But instead of your hand/arm doing the work, you need to drive, or post up, and collapse the D, for the better look for your teammates.

It might have even been on this channel, but something I found very interesting was that there are three kinds of assists for a 3. Round the arc, drive and dish, post up. Throwing the ball around the arc got the least effective 3 point attempt - because Shooter has to twist to get aligned with rim. Drive and dish in between. Post up the most effective - because Shooter is already aligned with rim. So post ups, drive and dish, and mid range game are all still important, despite a simple "3 + layups" mentality that Morey Ball can cause people to assume is its conclusion. Fun times!

Deep Fried Lasagna look up his write up on Nash in the backpicks.com goat list

Dennis Godman then why does Derek fisher average less than 5 assists a game ?

Sydney Cole Usage rate

If he talked about Russ I would have destroyed him by explaining with my counter argument

Natsu Dragneel how so?

@@buddyfats4768 Westbrook generates the most potential assists and potential points and passes per assist almost every year.

Devvv Yea. Michael Jordan actually made his top 10 playmakers of all time list

Rondo‘s still a great passer. He can find teammates when they’re open, but he isn’t the reason they’re open

@Andre Ricardo Bryant No, they couldn't. That's exactly the part I'm not buying. Yall treat it like it's so easy to fill up the stat sheet like that, but Mario is not getting 10 dimes on that Celtics team, full stop, and it's not like nobody else but Rondo is willing to try. Draymond can't even get 10 assists a night playing arguably a bigger role and with even more talent around him. Eric Bledsoe gets about 5 a night playing next to freaking GIANNIS, I can go on but you see what I'm getting at

@Andre Ricardo Bryant bro wtf is this argument lol is Rondo a great passer or not, that is the argument. Because this video seems to be saying that the "Rondo Assist" isn't impressive and therefore Rondo isn't that impressive. Like how stupid do you think all the other coaches are if their gameplan apparently ISNT to pass it to players in a scoring position, and what NBA level PG is stupid enough to NOT take that opportunity regardless of their "role"? Unless they're just determined to take the shot themselves, but you're basically only talking about Kyrie at that point, and we've already seen how stupid Kyrie is...

​@Andre Ricardo Bryant Then why aren't they doing it? Did Derek Fisher just hate money playing next to Shaq Kobe Gasol Odom etc? Did Mario Chalmers just not think to pass the ball to Lebron DWade Bosh or Allen, so he can maybe not languish in Europe or wherever? is Pat Beverley just TOO DAMN SCRAPPY for his own good that playing offense is beneath him? is Draymond such a team player that he'd genuinely rather lead the league in hockey assists or whatever other metric? Or maybe just maybe the simplest explanation here is that Rondo is a great if not elite passer?

@Andre Ricardo Bryant "tHe TrIaNgLE wAs BuIlT foR..." Just think about it for a second, do you genuinely believe Phil Jackson was gonna stress out if Fisher balled out on the floor as long as he was hitting open players or Shaq on the low block? Weak PG play is NOT a feature of the triangle lol, that is a roster limitation of those Lakers and Bulls teams that the triangle was able to work around. Put it this way, why did they want Chris Paul so badly if they were just going to have him play a Fisher-type role?

he did one in his podcast infact if you scroll through these comments youll find the list however its more just the top playmakers not passers which ben differentiates

He’s been doing this for years

@@mrsbndkt 7fs get your ass back in chill chat

Late response to you, but hopefully this helps: www.stitcher.com/podcast/ben-taylor/thinking-basketball-podcast/e/62976890 That's the Thinking Basketball podcast episode about playmakers. He talks about Harden, Westbrook, and Chris Paul in this: he rates CP3 as the 3rd greatest playmaker of all time, behind only Nash and Magic.

I wouldn't even go that far. Like the dude hinted at Rondo produced a large portion of assists by simply passing to guys like Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett and watching them produce magic. The more you understand basketball the more you realize Rondo was never that great of a point guard, he's basically Ricky Rubio with great teammates. If you play with transcendent talent they can turn your idle passes into assists but that doesn't make you a plus creator. Rondo's issue has always been his unwillingness to make the "dangerous" passes or the ones that lead to hockey assists, which has always hampered teams that didn't have the elite supporting cast like his early Celtics teams.

the best balance between the two is cp3. Perfect balance between Shot creating and assisting

Garrett Henze Rondo is an exceptional point guard. He just dosent have the “gravity” to make defenses respect his scoring ability as much as others players do. That’s an indictment on his scoring ability not his passing prowess.

Garrett Henze Both him and Ricky Rubio are elite passers. If playing with good teammates got you a lot of assists, then Derek fisher and Mario chalmers would be getting similar numbers

I know that this a ridiculously late reply, 3 months after you posted your comment, but Ben has actually done something pretty much like that! Here's the link: backpicks.com/2017/12/11/the-backpicks-goat-the-40-best-careers-in-nba-history/ He basically ignores championships, all-star appearances, All-NBA teams, everything like that, and focuses entirely on the actual play of the person. He compares them for impact, for their floor raising abilities, their 5 year peaks both offensively and defensively, their weaknesses, and their longevity. He admits himself that it's not perfect and that there's still some subjevity in there, but it's a brilliant way to spend an afternoon reading and learning more about the game.

Injuries limits his ceiling

No not really that would be more of john stockton, who despite being oneof the best shooters ever didnt attempt many threes and would often god quarters without shooting to feed teamates at least pual scored and shot threes when he had to

But seriously dude, how freaking good are you at MyGm mode?