B. Ismay bears no blame for the sinking. He was neither an engineer nor a ship builder. The absolutelly only thing which is unbelievable is that nobody else was around the collapsible in the moment he jumped on the boat. I don't recall if during the US hearing he said: "no woman" or " no one" was around. But as one of the last boats leaving the Titanic, I am absolutelly sure!!! the deck was packed with people!

That was the least he could do.

Well as a ship owner , if you dont provide enough saving boats just because you have some dream about some "unsinkable ship" , well yea , you are pretty much the villain.

And the fact that the seat in the lifeboat he took would’ve been left empty if he hadn’t taken it.

​@Lifeisgo0d77 you need to look a little more into the life boat situation. They actually had more than required at the time. Not enough... for sure.. but they were no different for any other line at the time, in fact they had more than required (legally)

@Lifeisgo0d More lifeboats wouldn’t have helped at all that night-they didn’t even have time to launch all the boats they did have before the Titanic sank.

And that's the key thing...shame heaped on him by people not faced with a similar circumstance. So easy to judge from our couches 100 years later, but we were not there.

@@josephinakeam6197 Exactly

He should not have been on that lifeboat while there were women and children who parishes. Cowardly man

​@@daniellecruz2917 He was helping people get in on the lifeboats and he got in when there were no more passengers near. There was one spot and he took it. That was a last chance for surviving. Most of the people would do the same, regardless of what anyone says.

@@gilded_spark_7022 that is a ghastly lie. Islay was a coward and many of the survivirs attested to that as well. So what he helped many others did too amd did not get into a lifeboat

What if all the crew also run away in the last boat like he did? I think you would feel bad for them too! 4 children as small as 2 could have been saved if he had not jumped into the boat. He broke the protocol for himself & that's cowardice while many gentleman voluntarily gave away their seats to women & childrens & that's bravery.

@@3DDanceTV You was never there yourself and I almost bet you would of done the same, he saved who he could and when he saw no one take the last seat, he took it. Its not being a coward, its a will to live.

@@gatenrocks7119 This is your presumption & what you would hv done if you were there! What make you think the officers would have allowed me when they even refused men like J J ASTOR, Thomas William & many prominent personalities. This jerk along with William Smith managed to get away because he was White Star Line CEO. This coward is also responsible for forcing Edward Smith to run 23 knots & arrive early. So that he could make a name for himself, he was akso responsible for lifeboats of only 1200 passengers.

@@3DDanceTV There were no women and children anywhere to be seen when Ismay took the last seat in the last collapsible lifeboat. The scene from the 1979 "S.O.S. Titanic" movie is obviously bogus, as there would have been no woman present, like the stewardess Mary Sloan (played by Helen Mirren), to give Ismay one last accusing stare.

@@lysanderofsparta3708 for ur kind information more 500 women & children died onboard titanic. There only crime was they were from 3rd class! So don't give this lame excuse that there were no women around!

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there was no fight. He was one of the last people to get on a lifeboat. For him to die would have been pointless

Would have been different I feel if he'd stayed on the ship all the way down ending up in the icy water and through a miracle from God survived long enough too be pulled out like a handful were.

He was a very cowardly man.

@@FannyShmellar ok… mr/mrs 1912 😂

It's not my place to judge him although it's hard not to voice my opinion. That was a different era, a different culture, and much different societal norms. Similar to the Victorian era, including around the Civil War, a man was expected to stand his ground and fight or forever be viewed a coward. Men were also expected to protect and care for women who were seen as the weaker sex with the women having societal expectations of their own to live up to. So I guess if I were a man in that predicament, I honestly don't know what I would do or how I would react.

His actions ALONE caused the loss of many lives… he vetoed the proposal for the max number of lifeboats needed for only the minimum by maritime law.. he urged the Captain to speed up (right towards an Ice field) to break a record arriving at New York quicker.. oh and he got on a lifeboat when plenty of other people should have been given his place on the boat with the fact many of his actions caused the disaster! He should have gave the place to some other poor soul and stayed aboard the ship like Captain Smith and Thomas Andrews did.

​@@markmcmahon4422 there's no proof of him urging anyone to speak up. Just one "witness" saying so doesn't prove anything

​@@markmcmahon4422Exactly..

@@markmcmahon4422 there was Elizabeth Lines testimony who overheard the conversation. She said he was discussing about Titanic's performance. They were comparing Titanic and Olympic. He wanted to see if Titanic could beat Olympic's crossing time she made on her maiden voyage. It was a speed test that was planned to be conducted later Monday or Tuesday if conditions were right. If creating speed records was the motive, it's contradictory to Ismay's very idea of the Olympic class. He knew they can't beat Cunard for speed, so he focused on luxury and operate economically. According to Alexander Carlisle's testimony, Olympic class's original designer, he thought of 48 lifeboats but it wasn't decided when he left Harland and Wolff. It was Ismay who approved Carlisle's idea of installing Welin davits that could take extra row of boats. There were talks of board of Trade planning to update laws so Welin davits were designed to add more in case law changes in the future. With much more discussions with others, it was finally decided to comply with board of Trade regulations. There are no concrete evidences of lowering lifeboats for aesthetic reasons.

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I agree with most of what you said, I just wanted to point out that Andrews never claimed Titanic was unsinkable, and that Titanic was a very safe and well-built ship. No liner of that era could have survived the colossal amount of damage she suffered from that iceberg collision. Look at the great career her older sister Olympic had.

although from what I read it is said to believe that Andrews himself never really called the ship on unsinkable it was the media that called it Unsinkable he just went with it. he figured that if four water type compartments were flooded the ship could still stay afloat but as we know what happened five water type compartments were being flooded after the iceberg struck the ship. Andrews knew the ship was doomed.

Alexander Carlisle was the true designer of the titanic. He quit the company over the lack of life boats. Thomas Andrews would take over his role towards the end

What about all the other men that went on? If you weren't the captain of a lifeboat you were a coward

I called him a coward…..and then ended up finding out how wrong I was when I found out the actual truth.

@@starrsmith3810hello again keep seeing you on all these titanic videos haha. And I am totally with you on this one. He really is a person misunderstood because of his wealth. And the way tabloids and Hollywood know how to work the working class. But he actually did a lot to ensure people survival. He helped fill the boats. And many officers have stated he didn't take anyone's spot. If he had stayed on the titanic all it would mean is one more life taken. No one was there at the time for Ismay to swap places with. What annoys me people told James Cameron about him and all his efforts. But Cameron went they want to see him the villian so we better do it. Thought it was cowardly for him to do that imo.

@@cnote2458 yeah I’m a gigantic Titanic Nerd lol. I still find people with a false idea of Ismay and I swear nothing I say ever makes them listen. Unfortunately quite a few people expect, want, and see Ismay as a villain so we end up with portrayals like that. Though James Cameron was a BIT fair with it. He did infinitely worst with Murdoch.

@@starrsmith3810I am a big titqnic nerd to lol. I go to the titanic museum a lot as live a few miles away from Southampton. I can't believe Cameron portrayal of Murdoch. The suicidal rumour is just that without evidence. And every witness has gives a diffrent account and were the shots were located. Not disproving it happened but no one knows who or where it happened if it did. He should never have had it as a name character if he put it in imo. And having him take bribes from passages was embarrassing. Especially when you look at how he managed his lifeboats. He had launched all his quicker and most filled up. And Cameron made him pretty villianous which is pretty embarrassing.

@@cnote2458 it was so disrespectful and it’s the one thing about the movie I legitimately hate and I love the movie. Murdoch deserved a better portrayal. His family was PISSED. I actually read a FanFiction story where Murdoch’s death was written differently.

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Lightoller did misunderstand the rule completely. But to be fair to him he wasn't prepared for it under the most unbearable pressure and he did do his best. He did save lives and when it was every man for himself he did his best to help men onto Collapsible boat B. He also was the last person to be brought on on to the RMS Carpathia. Today how he handled the situation wouldn't fly. But this was a time were rules were completely diffrent. Lightoller did the best he could but he did many mistakes during the evacuation but I don't think that should consider him criminal worthy for mistakes under the most unbearable situation imaginable.

@@cnote2458 i want to ask, many people think part of the reasoning that the lifeboats arent filled completely was because of panic, and the plan to load people as they go down. that they didnt want people to crowd or try to rush on the boat leading to more injuries or possibly deaths. is this possibly true? i'd love to learn about this!

@@burnt.flowers when the first couple were launched no one wanted to get into them. As they thought the ship couldn't possibly sink and that this was just standard practice of titanic going by the rule book. The Astons the riches people on the ship went of and played in the gym for half hour when the first lifeboats were launched and many others just thought nothing of what was going on. But when the reality of the situation was obvious people were trying there best to get into one. Some saliors were at first hesitate to put so many in the boat as they didn't know about the test and how many were to fit in during the testing. Murdock was amazing and probably saved the most lifes that night. As he filled it up the best he could with woman and children and if none was in the area he would fill it up with men. While lightoller took it woman and children only. But in his defence every salior on board would of know about the HMS Birkenhead and how the captain was considered a massive hero. Which lightoller practically copied to a tee.

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I would disagree that his actions were heroic rather opportunistic is more apt. The Captain was merely a figurehead on that fateful journey it was Bruce Ismay who was pulling the strings behind the scenes.

@@westnblu the ship should not be at sea in the first place. The titanic was badly build and Ismail knew that.

@@kofmmbs I don't know if that's true. The fact that the ship lasted three hours after striking the iceberg (as opposed to an hour or a half hour) is remarkable and it's because of all the ship's safety designs. It just couldn't survive a collision of that nature, and few ships could. The problem, if you ask me, was the simple fact that they decided to ignore ice warnings and go steaming into an ice field in the middle of the night.

@@shannynmartin3157 in the latest documentaries it is say that the ship has been on fire for weeks and ismay knew of this, you can see a black spot on the right side of the ship. And one of the reasons why the ship was moving so fast is because they didn’t had any fuel. And as for the iceberg warnings Ismay took most of the warnings and didn’t revealed to the captain and crew

@@kofmmbs I googled the coal fire theory and it is regarded by most credible historians as a conspiracy theory. the spot on the side of the ship is actually from when they were painting. Titanic was being painted literally right up until the day it sailed. The fire was way lower on the ship and you would not have been able to actually see damage from it-- certainly not above the water line like that. What's more-- coal fires on board were EXTREMELY common at the time but if they were contained within their enclosed bunkers (I think that's what they were called) then they didn't pose any actual danger. The coal fire on Titanic had no impact on the sinking-- in fact it actually helped because the crewmen putting out the fire had moved a bunch of coal to the other side of the ship for it and that actually helped balance the ship which kept it afloat longer after the collision.

That would be my dream job. Maybe, one day.

Thats what separates a MAN from a COWARD. At least you're an honest coward. J. Jacob Aster and Thomas Andrews also had a families to go home to. But they went down with the ship. I seriously doubt in those last final moments there was NO ONE to take the final seat. Yeah, right.

One of those reasons may have been an iceberg.

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Heard it... heard it all.

Wow that’s amazing 😲.

Keep in mind, Ismay had run afoul to a real human iceberg known as newspaper tycoon William Randolph Hearst (aka the real Citizen Kane). Hearst was looking for an excuse to destroy Ismay's reputation through his various newspapers and once he got wind of Ismay being a survivor, Ismay never stood a chance in the public eye.

@@evanbao93 yes yes I forgot about that. 😔😞 There is that culture in the print media isn't there - having it in for one particular "mark" I mean... Naturally, no apology can ever be expected to be forthcoming (or "lessons will be learned" etc. etc.).

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The regulations surrounding lifeboat capacity were set by the board of trade, not WS. Titanic was not the only ship afloat at the time which did not carry enough lifeboats. In fact Titanic only needed 16 to meet the legal requirements. WS actually went above and beyond said requirements with 20 boats. As for the quote you used. I believe that was taken from a dramatisation of the events, from an actor.

@@BeyondTheTitanicWhite Star knew the rules were outdated by the sheer increase in size of the Olympic class ships. Just because the followed the rules doesn’t make them right.

When they were making ships that big, they should have had enough number of lifeboats. I am also pretty sure that as a big company they had a lot of power with which to push the standards through the board.

@@nerimanuzuner8287 at that time titanic did have enough life boats under the law. however the standard was based on tonnage, and at titanics time titanic is 5 times larger than the ships that the law would be good for. today the law is the lifeboats must accommodate125% of the people on board.

So, if they had 48 boats, would that make a difference? The ship sank very slow, they had more than 2 and a half hours, they had only 20 boats, and for that time they barely could lower these 20 boats. Imagine if they could lower the rest if they had them. When the Lusitania was torpedoed, she had 48 boats. But since she sank in 18 minutes, only 6 of these boats we lowered. And again a lot of people died, nearly 1200. So the number of the boats it's not decisive whether a ship is safe or not. And one more thing. Many people think that many ships (if not all) sink in the conditions similar in which the Titanic sank: calm waters, where a place in the lifeboats is the difference between life and death. But you know, most of the ships sink in very different conditions: in storms (when there are big waves) and near the coastal rocks. So if your ship is sinking in a stormy weather near the rocks, these wooden boats couldn't guarantee you anything. In fact, few years earlier before the Titanic, another White Star Line's ship sank very slowly near the coast in stormy weather. So the passengers had a choice: remain on the ship and wait for help, or try to evacuate with the boats. Since it was stormy, almost all of those who choose the boats, drowned. Those who remained on the ship and waited for another ship to save them, survived. So, from the point of view of the owners, the ship itself is the best possible lifeboat. They invested a lot to make the ships as safe as possible. The Olympic and the Titanic were the safest ships in the world at that time. Unfortunately it turned out that all her safety features were not enough, the ship was in the wrong time at the wrong place. Any other ship would sink, many even faster. So if this happened to the safest ship in the world, it was clear that some improvements should be made. No more speeding in the dark when you know there is ice ahead. No more sleeping wireless operators while somebody asks for help. And many other things.

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Hi. Thanks for the comment. I’m glad you like the episode. As far as I am aware Ismay is buried along side his wife. His two daughters are buried in separate locations. I hope you have a great time when you come to the UK. There are many other Titanic related sites in and around London that are worth a visit, happy to help further if you’re interested. 😁👍🏻

@@BeyondTheTitanic Definitely interested in Titanic sites. Getting to Putney Vale, our hotel is close to Tottenham Rd Station. We take the Tube to Putney Bridge Station, then the 85 Bus toward Kingston? That will pass by the Cemetery, right?

It’s from a UK mini series called Titanic by Julian Fellows released in 2012.

Ummm... many people did say fuck it... even the captain. There were numerous people who refused to be rescued for various reason but you saying "I want to die tonight" is absolutely insane.

Thomas Andrews, William Murdoch and Captain Smith all laid their lives down and died aboard Titanic because they felt responsible. Whether or not, the sinking was Ismay’s responsibility, the sinking was White Star Line’s responsibility, and Ismay ran that company.

Guggenheim did just that

Thank you for your comment. I did not mention it because I believe that it was not a decision solely made by him, rather a decision by the White Star Line as a company. I do not detract from the fact that it was a fatal mistake however to blame it on one person is, I believe, unfair. The decision to have only 20 lifeboats was based on current laws and legislation that White Star not only met, but exceeded. A business decision rather than “ego’”. Therefor one could argue the blame for a lack of lifeboats goes far beyond that of White Star and Ismay. I’m glad you enjoyed the episode.

@@BeyondTheTitanic Fair enough, I agree he doesn't deserve the amount of hate he's received - and he certainly deserves peace after decades of having his name dragged in the mud. I'm glad there is a video out there that gives him a fair shake.

And he actually didn’t jump into his lifeboat the way movies have shown. He just helped women and children into lifeboats until there were none left on the part of the ship he was on and following this, William McMaster Murdock told Ismay that he could board the last seat available in his lifeboat, otherwise he would lower it with that seat being left empty.

As I understand it, he got into a lifeboat just as it was being lowered, so he didn't take anyone's seat. It's easy to say he should've stayed on board anyway, due to his role as director, but once you picture yourself at the brink of eternal nothingness, what he did is easy to understand. He should've felt guilty about the lifeboat shortage and the dangerous speed, but not about surviving.

I tend to agree...regardless of pressure, it was ultimately the Captain's call. He chose wrong. But in the end, I think placing blame in the end is the wrong way to look at any of it. It's just a horrible tragedy.

And the Captain went down with the ship.

Ida strays didn't

Some people weren’t aware, yes there was people around collapsible c when it launched but there was no women or children around.

@@dalekexterminae He very well knew there were women and children in the ship, just because they weren't around doesn't excuse his selfish behaviour. If they weren't there, that was because they were told the ship was safe and not to panic or they simply didn't know there was another a boat to be launched. The whole video is designed to whitewash him which is disgusting.

Wasn't there a single first class child that was killed. I think I read that. Please correct me if I'm mistaken

@@vampirehunter533 I read the same

You are correct, two year old Helen Loraine Allison, aged 2, perished with her parents in the sinking. All were travelling first class.

There were numerous children in the third class who drowned in the sea inside the ship. Here compares the number of 2 children in the first class...

He started planning his resignation before the Titanic sinking. He discussed his plans in a letter to his friend Harold Sanderson in late 1911.

@@Sarah0583 Those conversations were kept hidden from the public because it is in case he can not convinced the board to accept him as GM until after Titanic sank.

I believe you are referring to lifeboat 1 which had a capacity of 40 but had only 12 seats filled. Said lifeboat was loaded and launched by first officer Murdoch. So I can’t see how Ismay is accountable for that. Empty seats were a failing on the part of the crew, under the command of a Captain who had lost all control of the situation. Ismay was a passenger on board and was in no way responsible for filling or launching lifeboats any more than any other passenger was. The responsibility of ensuring lifeboats were loaded and launched correctly ultimately rested upon those in command.

There is no evidence that officers held people back in steerage, looks like you're basing your knowledge off of the film... Just goes to show the effect that modern day media has on people's understanding of historical events and not actual facts. The point, which is concisely presented in this video, is that those seats were not being filled. Granted, White Star Line were responsibile for the lack of lifeboats however, if he had not taken that seat, he would have been another soul lost. On the flip side, had he had died, at least he would have been viewed more positively in the history books, just like Captain Smith who also played a negative role in contributing to the sinking. Yet we view Captain Smith as the heoric figure who went down with his ship. Seems like people would have viewed Ismay's death as a form of justice due to his involvement in the company. Sad to see that, although so many people lost their lives, people would still have valued his death more than his life. Living a life riddled with guilt would, in my opinion, be worse than death.

I wonder how many 3rd class passengers died..

@@carolineclay839 yeah, i heard that he boarded a lifeboat when no one else was left to take his spot. and that he also helped load passengers in, yes he did panic at first but helped afterwards.

I'm not on one side or the other...but I don't see how the portrayal was inaccurate, given all I've read & watched about the titanic.

​@@josephinakeam6197 Ismay is in fact *DID* not do a coward move. That's the difference. He only take the seat because nobody else was there to take the seat. And before that he even helped many of the passangers to board into the lifeboat.

​@@th3ra83There was no one to get into the lifeboat, that's why 1500 people died in the disaster.OMG...How people can portray and consider him a saint????

@@shynilean7431 it is miscalculation and overconfidence. But he is not as bad as what people thought to be. That's all.

@@th3ra83 overconfidence??? Check the real history and accept the real facts. Even a little child in this world knows that third-class passengers were not allowed to commute with first-class people in lifeboats. The crew mostly gave importance to the lives of high-status people. It is not a good mentality to believe that all 1500 innocent people chose their death themselves. He is a 'COWARD'.