Biggest "CHEATING" SCANDAL In Chess History

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0:00 Intro
0:30 Magnus/Hans Story
5:00 Game 1
5:55 Game 2
8:49 Game 3
16:25 Hans
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@GothamChess
@GothamChess Жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm Levy, welcome to the chess world. If you haven't played, you should - it's quite a fun game. Highly recommend my beginner videos :) This video was recorded the first day the 'drama' happened, so it wasn't as detailed as I wanted. I made an updated, more detailed video of the scandal here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9GkirSj09C0p4k.html
@BlueGoat3175
@BlueGoat3175 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Yeah! Chess challenge! If I win I get your soul, if you win I get your soul!
@mbm.64
@mbm.64 Жыл бұрын
But....                                                                                             
@Haoyu-xd2om
@Haoyu-xd2om Жыл бұрын
Hey 3rd reply pog
@jonnorth1147
@jonnorth1147 Жыл бұрын
He needs to be banned for 3 years.
@Justs99171
@Justs99171 Жыл бұрын
You should stop calling this the biggest cheating scandal in chess history. It's not even top 5.
@user-td1jj8ll8y
@user-td1jj8ll8y Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. In a norwegian podcast Magnus talked about cheating (this was a few years ago, so not about this situation). He had a very good point. He said to cheat, you wouldn't even need to be told what move to play. Imagine you simply had a buzzer, e.g. in your shoe, that simply gave a vibration if there was a significant change in the computer evaluation after a move. This way you would immediately know that your opponent made a mistake, and that it would be worth spending time to look for it. It was implied that this very simple piece of information would be significant to turn one of his closest competitors into his superior, i.e. a 50-100 point jump.
@thedeadbaby
@thedeadbaby Жыл бұрын
Why the shoe and not safe inside the butt where no one would look for it except someone like Bobby Fischer who slept with prostitutes?
@akuseru85
@akuseru85 Жыл бұрын
I had the same thought. Just have buzzers in your shoes. Someone plays the game and sends signals. They could be small like you said, or more in detal, like right shoe buzzer for letters, left shoe for numbers. Then to signal C4 position piece, you do 3X on right, then 4X on left. Then repeat for the move.
@shoyupacket5572
@shoyupacket5572 Жыл бұрын
that's literally what i was just thinking of, if you and the person communicating had prior language established then yeah it really would be pretty simple. the interesting thing however is who is giving him information and is it based on some engine being run because if not why would they simply not be the one competing in their place.
@Corteum
@Corteum Жыл бұрын
@M That's a nice theory. But it doesnt' work in reality because the scanners they use at these tournaments can detect electronics and radio signals. The buzzer idea would probably work at a club level tournament though.
@ZzColdzDeathzZ
@ZzColdzDeathzZ Жыл бұрын
@@Corteum but any simple signal of change in status during the match would be critical. That might not be the device but if it was it was bar related forsure.
@GukGukNinja
@GukGukNinja Жыл бұрын
Clearly the engine is inside the pieces, because chess speaks for itself.
@fromant65
@fromant65 Жыл бұрын
LMAO GOD COMMENT
@megagigachad69
@megagigachad69 Жыл бұрын
Hilarious
@timg2655
@timg2655 Жыл бұрын
BOOM 👏👏👏
@joshdarius5995
@joshdarius5995 Жыл бұрын
Yeah cause you didn't play the moves, just moved the pieces. So you could not even explain 1 move LMAO....total Cheater. Would never play in a tournament with this lying, cheating, pos
@georgeforeman8876
@georgeforeman8876 Жыл бұрын
Where is this “chess speaks for itself” meme from ?
@nobodynowhere8061
@nobodynowhere8061 Жыл бұрын
Magnus is arguably one of if not the best chess player in history. Still he has lost many games. But he’s never made any accusations like this, even when he just got crushed or outplayed. This leads me to believe even if he is wrong he has very reasonable justification to act the way he is
@thanostopgtv
@thanostopgtv Жыл бұрын
Facts
@KaossTrojan
@KaossTrojan Жыл бұрын
Hans has been caught out cheating MANY times. This is probably why.
@gagogoga
@gagogoga Жыл бұрын
@@KaossTrojan over the board?
@gottimw
@gottimw Жыл бұрын
@@KaossTrojan Its not just that, for me the biggest tell is all about the post game interview. It felt like someone explaining project they just copied. Thats where lie has shortest legs. Right after the game he could barely elaborate on his choices. He spent hours over the board and can barley recall lines he was evaluating? Claimed a -3 lines to be winning for white. It was bad. Plus massive elo gains, and as you mentioned caught cheating in online events.
@Epindary
@Epindary Жыл бұрын
@@gottimw ur a legit parrot,, shhhh
@Sinrix
@Sinrix Жыл бұрын
I bet someone cheated by stream sniping to see the other guy’s side of the board, truly a day that will live in infamy
@DanZhukovin
@DanZhukovin Жыл бұрын
Wait, I'm not allowed to look at the other side of the board!?? Oh crap
@bobzombie2710
@bobzombie2710 Жыл бұрын
@Tom ikr and kasparov isnt even great.
@festerbutt
@festerbutt Жыл бұрын
Magnus should have streamed his game with a 5 minute lag!
@berryreading4809
@berryreading4809 Жыл бұрын
People keep sinking by submarine in 3 GUESSES! Forget about the battleship that always gets hit within the first Salvo... I hate board peeking in chess games!, Original divider was never really large enough, and high profile online games are spammed with opponent's grid coordinates! Chess is no longer fun for me 😔 🚀🚢
@kittybossatron
@kittybossatron Жыл бұрын
That’s why I play chess on this table with a mirror to see my opponents pieces
@davidrobertson2826
@davidrobertson2826 Жыл бұрын
Here’s my take - I’m betting Magnus and his inner circle have had suspicions since the FTX Crypto Cup (possibly before), specifically his game against Hans. The cheating would’ve involved the leak of prep, not computer assistance, which would be nearly impossible to get away with. He decided to test this theory this time by preparing an obscure line he had never played before, and his suspicions were confirmed. He subsequently withdrew from the tournament, not out of saltiness from losing to Hans, but because he now knew with near certainty that there was a leak within this camp (and who’s to say that the leaker hadn’t leaked to others as well?). Everyone is focusing on Hans in all of this, but to me, the drastic reaction by Magnus is more indicative of an ongoing betrayal by someone he trusted rather than just being enraged at having been cheated by Hans. As others have pointed out, if Magnus suspected that Hans had computer assistance then there is no upside to withdrawing as he’d never be able to prove it. The only reason to do so is because he believes there is a continuing possibility of losing to others that have received his prep. Then there is the issue of the post-game interviews. There are a lot of people that I think are dismissing them as having no evidentiary value, but I think there are just too many red flags (of course, none of them rising to the level of “proof”). The attention that has been given to him miscalculating lines when challenged by Alejandro Ramirez I think is misplaced - I think that is much more likely due to him being rattled by feeling the heat of suspicion rather than him being a ~2400 player playing at a 2800 level because of computer assistance. Ironically, the scenario that I think is most likely is that Hans has actually made huge strides in his chess game lately, but was overcome by the temptation of the opportunity to look at Magnus’s prep. The truly damning thing that I think he said (again, not proof, but as close to a smoking gun as you’ll get) was his comment that “by some miracle” he had looked at that exact line before the game by chance. This is something you often see in guilty people - they know that they’re guilty, and because they know that, they think they need to address every possible avenue of questioning as soon as possible to establish their alibi/narrative, when in reality they never needed to even broach the topic as it only looks more suspicious. All the other weird behaviors are probably due to him crumbling under the heat - the accent, the rambling, oversupplying information/providing unprompted justifications, miscalculating lines, etc. But, I think the big takeaway is that from Magnus’s perspective this is not a Hans issue but an issue with his team. Only scenario that I think fits the facts. Hans’ nervous behavior, in combination with the actions that Magnus has taken certainly amounts to a preponderance of evidence for me. The idea that Magnus is just salty about losing to Hans doesn’t have any credibility with me, sure he has an ego, but it doesn’t fit the larger established pattern of his behavior.
@seedex6730
@seedex6730 Жыл бұрын
By far the best theory I have seen so far.👏
@TheLastSyphen
@TheLastSyphen Жыл бұрын
This is a theory I support the most
@jorgevasseur9084
@jorgevasseur9084 Жыл бұрын
Up up up.
@tesseract2144
@tesseract2144 Жыл бұрын
You make sense bro
@markocantdunk
@markocantdunk Жыл бұрын
Most sensible theory thus far. It's either this or he didn't cheat.
@carlostrujillo4107
@carlostrujillo4107 Жыл бұрын
"Beating someone once isn't revenge" has been there for a long time already, i know this coz i follow him
@pedrommm4742
@pedrommm4742 Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@jsteja7127
@jsteja7127 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Levy screwed up on that one.
@Chiny_w_Pigulce
@Chiny_w_Pigulce Жыл бұрын
Pin Levy?
@Stannoe
@Stannoe Жыл бұрын
same. i looked at magnus' page a week ago and it was there
@GothamChess
@GothamChess Жыл бұрын
Oops. I listened to a KZfaq commenter who wrote that. I'll never make that mistake again.
@sahargenish7058
@sahargenish7058 Жыл бұрын
Magnus lost before, yet he never made such a commotion. As the greatest chess player of all time, he can recognize patterns that no one else can see. Some of these patters might not add up
@bryantimothy8616
@bryantimothy8616 Жыл бұрын
I agree. There are a couple times a youngster managed to beat him and he didnt do anything like this. Something mustve happened. Might not be cheating tho.
@Wesz808
@Wesz808 Жыл бұрын
@@bryantimothy8616 exactly. Maybe there is something wrong with Magnus or in his environment (on which he can not comment). I read this was a 500.000 dollar tournament. If there is so much money to be made I wouldn't be surprised if there were some shitty politics.
@opkarlsen
@opkarlsen Жыл бұрын
OR Magnus & Hans just did this because they just want more publicity for Chess. :P Magnus pay Hans 1M and he make 3M. We dont know. But Magnus knows how to make money ;)
@pkmgamer6162
@pkmgamer6162 Жыл бұрын
@@Wesz808 true money= politics shit
@whyitmatters6906
@whyitmatters6906 Жыл бұрын
So what? We jump in the wagon without evidence? Is something we do now?
@robbiebay8868
@robbiebay8868 Жыл бұрын
I believe that Magnus' prep may have gotten leaked or somehow bugged. Magnus probably left because he could not completely trust the team.
@ChocolateMilk..
@ChocolateMilk.. Жыл бұрын
Agree
@nostalgicdouchebag1912
@nostalgicdouchebag1912 Жыл бұрын
Unlikely as it sounds, it sounds very reasonable.
@poppyharlow4448
@poppyharlow4448 Жыл бұрын
It sounds a lot more reasonable than cheating, considering how well scrutinized player screening is these days.
@jacobcarrizales427
@jacobcarrizales427 Жыл бұрын
He’s literally never played that line. It doesn’t make sense to prep against something he’s never played. Hans claimed it was from a game against So in London in 2018. But no one can find the alleged game. His analysis of his game with alireza is a complete joke. Literally painful to watch. A 1500 could do better analysis.
@SkegAudio
@SkegAudio Жыл бұрын
Continue coping or creating speculation lol
@hardikconilingus6569
@hardikconilingus6569 Жыл бұрын
"Beating someone once isn't Revenge" has been his bio for last 2 years.
@jenskruk7985
@jenskruk7985 Жыл бұрын
and Hans beat him twice, no? In Miami?
@soumyaranjan14343
@soumyaranjan14343 Жыл бұрын
@@jenskruk7985 He then lost back to back 3 game.Btw it was rapid
@hardikconilingus6569
@hardikconilingus6569 Жыл бұрын
@@jenskruk7985 once in Miami and one now
@cc2706
@cc2706 Жыл бұрын
Ok
@prachimayekar8712
@prachimayekar8712 Жыл бұрын
True
@Memphis_ritz
@Memphis_ritz Жыл бұрын
He may have said this, but my take on this as a non chess player is that the scariest thing about this is the potential that he cheated and nobody knows how. If nobody knows how, how can they prevent it in the future?
@gottimw
@gottimw Жыл бұрын
Life ban is somewhat a deterrent, but the truth is, if magnus were cheating. Say few hints every game - plus he was careful about picking non-engine crazy moves, he would hit 2900 in no time. And nobody would be able to proof anything without outright catching him redhanded.
@MatichekYoutube
@MatichekYoutube Жыл бұрын
rumor is that he had a vibrating communicator in his butt ..
@scoutbane1651
@scoutbane1651 Жыл бұрын
@@gottimw Nah, bs. You could do a move here or there every once so often, but otherwise they would definitely be able to catch you. There's statistical models you can use for this shit. But they'd need to upload every single game they had, try the engines of that time, compare models etc. etc., with enough statisticians you could definitely catch repeated cheating.
@gorgeouszan
@gorgeouszan Жыл бұрын
Think you're jumping the gun as currently there is no proof he cheated at all. Only thing we know right now is Magnus is implying it may be the case though hasn't said so and people don't like how he handled his interview. Frankly none of that is compelling let alone damning. Until Magnus speaks out about what he thinks happened so that can be investigated this whole thing has as much legitimacy as a witch hunt.
@MatichekYoutube
@MatichekYoutube Жыл бұрын
@@gorgeouszan ya. they have to prove it, or say "i am sorry" :)
@froofycat
@froofycat Жыл бұрын
Poker player here. We had the same with Mike Postle. In interviews he couldn't defend his choices. Just had feelings. Was unbeatable. Ultimately a HUGE scandal and a proven cheater. And say what you want about the Botez sisters but I wouldn't even know who Hikaru or Magnus were without them.
@Crunch630
@Crunch630 Жыл бұрын
yeah, Mike Postle is a perfect analogy.
@chrisk1180
@chrisk1180 Жыл бұрын
Thought of Mike Postle for sure though I'm sure this dude was no where near as blatant if he actually cheated
@TristanOnGoogle
@TristanOnGoogle Жыл бұрын
There is a difference between poker and chess though. Knowing the hands of other player is a huge advantage, whoever the other players are. But getting a suggestion of a move from a chess engine where Magnus can beat most chess engine, not so big advantage.
@matthewwilson4972
@matthewwilson4972 Жыл бұрын
@@TristanOnGoogle that’s simply not true. Any decent chess engine would easily beat him 100/100 times. It’s been more than 20 years since this was the case and the gap between human players and engines only widens as time progresses. Currently there is about a 1000 elo difference between Magnus and the strongest chess engines
@bethanalpha4544
@bethanalpha4544 Жыл бұрын
> I wouldn't even know who Hikaru or Magnus were without botez well thanks for proving you are a pleb
@simonplatt5421
@simonplatt5421 Жыл бұрын
Props to Levi for calling José Mourinho a football manager
@whypree_tho
@whypree_tho Жыл бұрын
I concur… from London 😃
@edwardburroughs1489
@edwardburroughs1489 Жыл бұрын
Isn't that what he is?
@hanahomemadepizza1424
@hanahomemadepizza1424 Жыл бұрын
@@edwardburroughs1489 Americans call the sport soccer instead of football
@davidcopson5800
@davidcopson5800 Жыл бұрын
@@hanahomemadepizza1424 And the country that invented it should have priority in naming rights.
@masst7732
@masst7732 Жыл бұрын
It's soccer, not football. This is soccer ⚽. This is football🏈.
@howdyman5961
@howdyman5961 Жыл бұрын
This is insane. I cant believe I have the privilege to witness this juicy drama live. This is the exact type of content I needed. The chess world is fascinating
@elbarto4069
@elbarto4069 Жыл бұрын
Itsa me hans nieman
@DTLaw186
@DTLaw186 Жыл бұрын
@@ChildOfGorb how does sending that link help you out ?
@RadishAcceptable
@RadishAcceptable Жыл бұрын
@@DTLaw186 it's spam. Report it.
@robdubent
@robdubent Жыл бұрын
Imagine spending less time on the drama and more time actually trying to play good chess?
@harunosmanovic
@harunosmanovic Жыл бұрын
I got into chess like 10 days ago !!! I lucked the fuck out!!! Hyped!!!
@kronicjp1122
@kronicjp1122 Жыл бұрын
“I look at this in a black and white way No pawn intended” -levy
@PLASKETT7
@PLASKETT7 Жыл бұрын
Cheered by the analysis of the queen and Rook pawn with adjacent Knight pawn ending. I fell into a stalemate trap in that Vs McShane in 2000. But a spectating Speelman said afterwards that converting the advantage was no piece of cake.
@sid3645
@sid3645 Жыл бұрын
Magnus always had beating someone once isnt revenge in his bio
@Lyrics4y0u
@Lyrics4y0u Жыл бұрын
He obviously wasnt thinking of a duel.
@khaelkugler
@khaelkugler Жыл бұрын
Yeah Levy responded to another comment about that he made a mistake-- I still think he should cut it out of the video cuz it'll cause more drama
@fosterdawson7339
@fosterdawson7339 Жыл бұрын
@@khaelkugler nah nah nah, if more people comment on it it'll generate more views and content for the algorithm, which would help his channel ;)
@victorakinbode9683
@victorakinbode9683 Жыл бұрын
This drama speaks for its self!
@ChildOfGorb
@ChildOfGorb Жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pa6XaLZ7vriscWQ.html
@elbarto4069
@elbarto4069 Жыл бұрын
The cheating speaks for it self
@davidcopson5800
@davidcopson5800 Жыл бұрын
But other commentators should help it along.
@iainfulton3781
@iainfulton3781 Жыл бұрын
Itself is one word
@Biditchoun
@Biditchoun Жыл бұрын
The drama can speak for itself, cause it knows what it is
@andreweverton162
@andreweverton162 Жыл бұрын
You’ve made me love chess way more, and I wouldn’t understand the game eve half as much without you. You’re amazing.
@albino3453
@albino3453 Жыл бұрын
I hate when he says "if you skipped ahead hi" because then i feel bad and have to go back to watch it all.
@abraham7140
@abraham7140 Жыл бұрын
this is a good, levelheaded response from Levy. nearly every twitch streamer i saw today was crucifying Hans and dissecting every little thing he's ever done -- it's an unfortunate situation and it may very well turn out be true, but it's refreshing to see someone just give the facts of the matter and not jump to any attacks or further drama-baiting.
@patrickalpha1315
@patrickalpha1315 Жыл бұрын
"The facts" would have been the game against Carlsen, not against Firouzja.
@stephenhalkovic6664
@stephenhalkovic6664 Жыл бұрын
True, thank you Levy.
@sqerxfan7828
@sqerxfan7828 Жыл бұрын
wtf GothamChess ist so schlecht geworden, das ist viel besser kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eNpyZ6mWx7q3nok.html
@KG-or2yb
@KG-or2yb Жыл бұрын
@@patrickalpha1315 he covered that game yesterday, why do it again? Also people are dissecting the game against firouzja due to hans' poor post game analysis
@SirEmperus
@SirEmperus Жыл бұрын
Levy would give a good journalist.
@AlexDings
@AlexDings Жыл бұрын
Cheating by getting prep leaked seems much more plausible - and Magnus withdrawing would make more sense too. Because if there was someone in Magnus' team leaking prep, Magnus can't know the other players don't have that, too, so it makes sense not to play them for now. If he thinks Hans was cheating, why would he withdraw from the entire tournament?
@renatozeru
@renatozeru Жыл бұрын
Prep leaked is not characterized as cheating. As much as it is immoral, doesn’t translate into a cheating case.
@randyking9489
@randyking9489 Жыл бұрын
@@renatozeru so true
@dimasfazlur5926
@dimasfazlur5926 Жыл бұрын
lmao, who tf want to leak magnus prep to our white boy hans 🤣🤣🤣
@mika274
@mika274 Жыл бұрын
@@dimasfazlur5926 probably pulled it out of one of his cloud servers
@iKaiii
@iKaiii Жыл бұрын
@@renatozeru at the highest level of any sport I’d say it would be considered cheating cuz ur giving them what they would use against u if someone gave the other team in nfl there playcall it would be cheating
@PT-dk8oi
@PT-dk8oi Жыл бұрын
I love how even addressing the controversy, you carry on but keep going back to it. That’s the most realistic take and how we feel about it, because it is a rippling effect.
@danieldebarrosmendes622
@danieldebarrosmendes622 Жыл бұрын
I love that watching Gotham's videos is not only a chess study, but also an english vocabulary study, as I am not a native english speaker and Gotham always uses some very hard words to me hahahahah.
@xeno9143
@xeno9143 Жыл бұрын
I think that Magnus may have withdrawn due to a prep leak. As said in the video, I don’t think that Magnus would simply withdraw because he lost the game. In the post game interview, Hans said, “I was so lucky to have prepped this line today.” Not saying this is definitive proof, just a theory.
@anon8410
@anon8410 Жыл бұрын
Yup concidence. Out of all the lines he just prepares for this
@FS4SS
@FS4SS Жыл бұрын
This - people are jumping on the cheating bandwagon really quickly. It looks to me like the issue is with his prep. An analogy for people who may not understand -- they're playing the card game Go Fish! and Magnus secretly has a Magic: The Gathering card in his hand, and Hans says "Got any MTG cards?" It's so unlikely as to seem impossible, like in that analogy. Magnus is likely thinking that someone on his team leaked prep to Hans - because that's just exactly what it looks like. This coming after the decision not to defend his WC title makes me think it's a disgruntled team member or something...
@jacobcarrizales427
@jacobcarrizales427 Жыл бұрын
He prepped a line in an opening that Magnus had never played, and references a game that doesn’t exist.
@ChrisChoi123
@ChrisChoi123 Жыл бұрын
why is prep leak an offense? whats legitiamtely wrong with that. both players will be ready for the same line, and then after prep they will have to use their innate chess skills and knowledge to win.
@lucaschinder3875
@lucaschinder3875 Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisChoi123 this line of thought of yours is so wrong on so many levels it's not even worth it to try explaining it to you 💀 how on earth do you say with a straight face that Hans is better than Magnus at any level of chess 💀
@DVNJ1
@DVNJ1 Жыл бұрын
Just as a side note, the chess courses link in the description leads to a 404 error. I hope you can fix it soon because I'm somewhat interested in buying some and I think others might be as well.
@zaksmith1035
@zaksmith1035 Жыл бұрын
Let's get this comment a lot of likes so Gotham will see it.
@Lego_RL
@Lego_RL Жыл бұрын
Earlier today, Gotham announced in his discord that they're in the middle of switching over to the new courses site! I'm not sure what the improvements are but he said they limited it to just people who previously purchased the caro-kann course so that the site wouldn't crash immediately. I'm sure it'll be up in the near future
@faranr
@faranr Жыл бұрын
From his website’s main page: Purchases are no longer available. We are working on a new website for GothamChess courses! Check back soon for updates.
@vansh8173
@vansh8173 Жыл бұрын
please check the home page, purchases are no longer available as they are apparently shifting to a new website.
@AlexKunstar
@AlexKunstar Жыл бұрын
Chess courses are a form af cheating and have been banned 🤣
@dustinburns4550
@dustinburns4550 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting commentary and take for some people like me who like chess but don't follow or play much, very cool video , subscribed and looking for more great content
@scuffedmarshmello9334
@scuffedmarshmello9334 Жыл бұрын
Love the Lil Britain reference "computer says no!" 🤣 I loved that show!!!
@adriantarngriffin
@adriantarngriffin Жыл бұрын
Can the tournament scanners pick up a microreceiver hidden beneath the skin behind one ear? This is not a joke. That is technology now available.
@pagnedaman3777
@pagnedaman3777 Жыл бұрын
I need some evidence, until then, Hans is innocent imo. As far as cheating, the only thing that sounds plausible to me is if Magnus' prep was leaked. Curious to hear more about this because it seems pretty out of character for Magnus to act this way after a loss.
@manuelbonelli3690
@manuelbonelli3690 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly the point. It's the first time ever Magnus did something like this so there must be something (for example if he found out something himself, or he has been told something) because a simple loss wouldn't make him quit the tournament...even if he was the most pissed off he has ever been
@version1865
@version1865 Жыл бұрын
@@manuelbonelli3690 yeah, but he is not accusing hans of anything anywhere tho. Its all the community thats creating the drama.
@Soeeasy
@Soeeasy Жыл бұрын
@@version1865 snowflake
@manuelbonelli3690
@manuelbonelli3690 Жыл бұрын
@@version1865 yeah exactly. At the end it's just speculation that can be what Magnus is referring to, but as long as something is said we don't know
@codisfer
@codisfer Жыл бұрын
@@version1865 Because he can't jeopardize being wrong and then being sued for defamation of character. Even though there is a defense Magnus could say Hans is a public figure and defamation doesn't apply it would still be a tough legal battle for both sides.
@sammymiller7857
@sammymiller7857 Жыл бұрын
His bio has always said “ beating someone once isn’t revenge” but go off
@pyraminxer7502
@pyraminxer7502 Жыл бұрын
you have the best and most entertaining chess channel on youtube, imo. hard to explain, but to me you just get it. all of your videos deliver. thanks for all your efforts
@connorwhite3889
@connorwhite3889 Жыл бұрын
I agree. he’s a top level commentator and streamer for the likes of espn sports or fortnite gaming… but yet he pours all this energy into chess and i love it. chess is a better community for it. could b e at a small-mid level but any little bit of energy excitement and entertainment towards chess is great for the sport
@LordMayonnaise
@LordMayonnaise Жыл бұрын
Levy, I have confirmed Hans was using a Bluetooth prostate massager to have moves relayed to him in Morse code. Please do not ask how I have done it, but just know I have now acquired the very device Hans was using. I can confirm it is very strong and after 1 hour of use, I am very tired myself. This fatigue might explain Hans’ inability to analyze the games in the post game interviews.
@vogel2499
@vogel2499 Жыл бұрын
That's a very crazy way to cheat, not even Chinese who bet their entire future on GaoKao exams would do it.
@abdulrahmanalmawali2468
@abdulrahmanalmawali2468 Жыл бұрын
Lmao this is a great shit comment
@comentaristametaforico9287
@comentaristametaforico9287 Жыл бұрын
The things you do for science
@Zawnpuia1640
@Zawnpuia1640 Жыл бұрын
Bro u good? How are you, it sounds painful 😣
@donkle9568
@donkle9568 Жыл бұрын
Bro I actually taught of this in my head 😭😭 great minds think a like I guess?
@TheHumanSkidmark
@TheHumanSkidmark Жыл бұрын
Levy is a fantastic presence in the community. Levy if you read this I hope your anxiety isn’t keeping you locked up, you’re a huge inspiration to me and the main man when it comes to who I think of that pushes through it. Thanks for all you do!
@bethanalpha4544
@bethanalpha4544 Жыл бұрын
cool blog, champ
@carldanescd
@carldanescd Жыл бұрын
Love your passion mate... folk who love their hobby is great
@nickoakes2551
@nickoakes2551 Жыл бұрын
Love this guy’s breakdowns
@thebluefyrephoenix
@thebluefyrephoenix Жыл бұрын
Levy, I love how you can keep an unbiased perspective on events like this.
@jakehamilton6735
@jakehamilton6735 Жыл бұрын
as a fan of Anna Rudolf, and how those allegations affected her. I'm gonna hold reservations
@mananpatel3266
@mananpatel3266 Жыл бұрын
what happened with her?
@quikee9195
@quikee9195 Жыл бұрын
@@mananpatel3266 She was playing really well in a tournament, beating higher elo players left and right and even a GM, and then some jealous player (not the GM) accused her she is cheating with a lipstick. She was searched and nothing was found, but the damage was done and her winning streak became a losing streak.
@aniketpathak5679
@aniketpathak5679 Жыл бұрын
@@quikee9195 it magnus itself not any other gm, so there is something
@knightf8648
@knightf8648 Жыл бұрын
@@aniketpathak5679 magnus hasn't said anything, it's people who are enjoying drama too much and drawing conclusions.
@sergioperez1131
@sergioperez1131 Жыл бұрын
@@aniketpathak5679 well, there is a difference between Anna Rudolf and Hans Niemann too
@fredrik8500
@fredrik8500 Жыл бұрын
This guy: I'm all about the facts here Also this guy: Would Magus make such allagations if there were no grounds? I'm certainly gonna speculate that he wouldn't...
@GothamChess
@GothamChess Жыл бұрын
Cool moustache Freddy
@fredrik8500
@fredrik8500 Жыл бұрын
@@GothamChess now that's a fact!
@menziboy2072
@menziboy2072 Жыл бұрын
@@fredrik8500 You should get some dogs
@fredrik8500
@fredrik8500 Жыл бұрын
@@menziboy2072 ok I'll bite, why?
@wtfguysgetoutcommentator2701
@wtfguysgetoutcommentator2701 Жыл бұрын
Damn I really skipped the the Hans game and he called me out instantly 😂😂😂Gotham is always one step ahead
@shane9095
@shane9095 Жыл бұрын
I don't comment on videos often but extremely level headed take by Levy. I respect that... especially in media which is an industry that rewards hot takes that are made quickly
@margobarrett589
@margobarrett589 Жыл бұрын
Levy*
@shane9095
@shane9095 Жыл бұрын
@@margobarrett589 thank you
@TgPepper
@TgPepper Жыл бұрын
I’m glad I’m not the only one that hates Queen and pawn endgames
@zorawar5333
@zorawar5333 Жыл бұрын
He might have a pacemaker installed and gets information from differences in heartbeats
@alexubaldo7493
@alexubaldo7493 Жыл бұрын
i just love that he calls us out for skipping ahead
@avadakedavra6706
@avadakedavra6706 Жыл бұрын
I think hans made a blunder by giving interview, he should have just said "chess speaks for itself" and moved on
@driedpancake
@driedpancake Жыл бұрын
stockfish speaks for itself and hans speaks in a fake russian accent
@NousNoesis225
@NousNoesis225 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your content, Levy. Keep up the great work, and thanks for all the great courses as well.
@Live4happiness
@Live4happiness Жыл бұрын
Bro that call out for skipping ahead was legendary 🤣🤣🤣
@porcu12345
@porcu12345 Жыл бұрын
It's the biggest cheating scandal with absolutely no evidence of cheating lmao
@bethanalpha4544
@bethanalpha4544 Жыл бұрын
tells you a lot about the chess community and the fanboys/girls of individuals
@randomdudeontheinternet5901
@randomdudeontheinternet5901 Жыл бұрын
​@@bethanalpha4544 its not even the chess fanboys its mostly the non chess player saying he cheated because its more interesting that he used a buzzer for cheating than knowing the situation
@AestheticsKartel
@AestheticsKartel Жыл бұрын
The truth is Magnus played an obscure line that people don’t have knowledge on, on purpose to prove his theory that Hans was cheating and hans took the bait perfectly and played the line like a bot because he “miraculously “ practiced the exact line the night before without being able to explain the theory behind it
@jaideepshekhar4621
@jaideepshekhar4621 Жыл бұрын
@@MidwestFarmToys Then PROVE it. Show me WHERE it is described to the t. I'll wait, for eternity. Because you have NONE!
@lastimeye569
@lastimeye569 Жыл бұрын
@@jaideepshekhar4621 I'm having a hard time with these discussions. Why does someone need to prove anything here.
@isakmaaan0326
@isakmaaan0326 Жыл бұрын
Either that or someone is leaking Magnus’ prep
@hanshansen1990
@hanshansen1990 Жыл бұрын
@@jaideepshekhar4621 if only it was that simple
@jaideepshekhar4621
@jaideepshekhar4621 Жыл бұрын
@@MidwestFarmToys Then admit you're lying. Simple as that. Either walk the talk or stfu.
@James-dq8us
@James-dq8us Жыл бұрын
Hey Levy. I usually lurk here, but I was absolutely stunned by the antisemitism in your pin of shame today and so wanted to speak up. You do an amazing job, and you've made a positive difference to loads of people. Sorry you have to deal with such cretins. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks for everything.
@MermaidTyrone
@MermaidTyrone Жыл бұрын
I feel like at this point people just say stuff to get the pin of shame
@lucretious7
@lucretious7 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Levy. What he said.
@josephbilling3886
@josephbilling3886 Жыл бұрын
simp
@clintoruss153
@clintoruss153 Жыл бұрын
James whats worse than that idiots comment is that he has 3 thousand likes. Levy has only been professional and funny
@Triggerboy78
@Triggerboy78 Жыл бұрын
​@@ashtonal And this is a perfect example what happens when people speak with a lower IQ than the room temperature in °C
@12oq
@12oq Жыл бұрын
"beating someone once..."was there for a very-very long time
@CT-55552
@CT-55552 Жыл бұрын
Levy is actually funnier than most youtubers nowadays
@relinquishedforever8505
@relinquishedforever8505 Жыл бұрын
Currently living in St. Louis and been going to this tournament a few times as a spectator, they have a lot of security. They have metal detectors, the guards scan you, and yoy have to check your phone in before you can spectate the players.
@blowbiden8190
@blowbiden8190 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, so chess literally has the best anti cheat measure out of all popular pvp games
@joshaxe6182
@joshaxe6182 Жыл бұрын
Moved out here few years ago....not the place I'd think a top chess tournament would take place haha.
@boaconstrictor3754
@boaconstrictor3754 Жыл бұрын
Do they check the mouth? Allegedly, he had something in his mouth, it can be seen that he swallowed something big after shaking hands.
@deejaydee1578
@deejaydee1578 Жыл бұрын
@@boaconstrictor3754 big brain pills???
@joe9832
@joe9832 Жыл бұрын
@@boaconstrictor3754 To to clarify, I'm not suggesting this is what happened - I'm quite casual on chess so don't really care personally about this event. Anyway, I've read a story about a past chess player who had somehow organised a communication device (perhaps a phone? I can't remember) into the roof of the toilets, yknow the industrial roofs separated into square sections, and the inner sections of each square lift up into an open space for wiring/scandalous
@franciscobrandao4832
@franciscobrandao4832 Жыл бұрын
Magnus has the "beating someone once isn't revenge" for a long time actually, he didn't change it just now
@JereKrischel
@JereKrischel Жыл бұрын
Besides real-time cheating, you could have game-prep cheating (finding out exactly what preps your opponent was doing). A little more subtle, but possible.
@Blingdung
@Blingdung Жыл бұрын
Levy you should get some sound isolation panels or something to cut down on reverb and clear up sound a bit. Good video as always love ya!
@ianmcgregor349
@ianmcgregor349 Жыл бұрын
Hi Gotham. I just wanted to say I appreciate your comments about anxiety in the video. They were subtle but very important to me. I had a very unproductive day because I was extremely anxious about this and I felt silly about it because it’s not relevant to me personally at all. I’ve felt so silly and stupid for wasting so much time exploring and watching this unfold, but knowing I’m not alone and that you also have felt this anxiety about the situation is extremely reassuring and validating. So for that, thank you.
@MrCjallaby
@MrCjallaby Жыл бұрын
Me too. A little disconcerting how emotionally invested I am in the lives of these people that are nothing to me. Because it is Magnus, it makes it all the worse. He is someone you obviously look up to as one of the greatest chess players of all time, and yet I find his approach here to be very unsatisfactory (with an obvious insinuation but no concrete details or accusations). I find Hans to be rather bizarre and his comments to be in poor taste, but it seems entirely possible that he just won the game fair and square. Magnus needs to clear this up and he should not have posted something so inflammatory. Withdrawing is fine and I support that for any reason, but you can't leave things like this.
@valik7907
@valik7907 Жыл бұрын
if hans did cheat, his career in chess is over however if he didnt cheat i really REALLY feel bad for him. 1.his biggest moment ever got over shadowed by drama 2.his image got way worse forever (until proven otherwise) 3.and now there is a chance he wont get first place in the tournament just because his win against magnus does not count.
@donsurlylyte
@donsurlylyte Жыл бұрын
3rd option, he did cheat, but got away with it, career is fine.
@elcharro3548
@elcharro3548 Жыл бұрын
@@donsurlylyte i honestly doubt he would get away with it. In situations like this someone always spills the beans. But who knows.
@jfamo3552
@jfamo3552 Жыл бұрын
I would feel bad for the idiots who pointed their Salem's Lot finger and burnt innocent people. It's Not Unusual. Pride is my favorite sin by far
@Reb0rnLP
@Reb0rnLP Жыл бұрын
@@elcharro3548 I mean in other sports there are usually even more people involved with doping and yet it often takes years for it to come to light. So yeah, maybe you're right, but who knows how long it would take?
@newpgaston6891
@newpgaston6891 Жыл бұрын
If Hans cheated and is exposed, his career is over... All games and sports have had cheaters. They cheat because they think they're not gonna get caught. Hans may have cheated and will never be exposed. Then his career took a minor hit. Or he may be legit, and then sadly, his career takes that same minor hit.
@neonstream6935
@neonstream6935 Жыл бұрын
Your memory recall is great, I don’t know chess well, but even I found this competition exciting. You explained it well enough that I could understand most of it. Subbed.
@salvigames6900
@salvigames6900 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the intro Levy, I think you did a great job and I 100% agree with you
@chrisnorris7527
@chrisnorris7527 Жыл бұрын
Wow I honestly just assumed this was going to be "Someone refused to shake hands. It's not really a rule but people are really sour about it" but this is actually a chess scandal.
@jovanvranes8038
@jovanvranes8038 Жыл бұрын
shaking hands is a rule though, you can get penalized
@pauldavid2196
@pauldavid2196 Жыл бұрын
OMG! Thanks for the Little Britain reference- "Computer says no"!!! Love the channel as well, keep up the hilarious, insightful and mostly NON_ARROGANT coverage!
@Monkeyabroad
@Monkeyabroad Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and I love your style of commentating. Subscribed
@veni1
@veni1 Жыл бұрын
just a tiny light outside the window going on and off in a specific rythm sending morse code or just any minuscule object vibrating inside or outside hans's body is also enough to cheat, it really does not take much and although I have no idea what if anything even had been used by hans but I am ihghly suspicious and feel for magnus
@CorruptControl
@CorruptControl Жыл бұрын
Magnus reaches an opening position that he’s never played before yet Hans apparently prepped it 20 moves deep…
@stianaandal1488
@stianaandal1488 Жыл бұрын
The same day they played
@tchem
@tchem Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that he couldn't justify his lines during the port game interview 😂
@ApostleMan222
@ApostleMan222 Жыл бұрын
He played it in a blitz game against Wesley So in 2019
@shaundiltz5821
@shaundiltz5821 Жыл бұрын
Coulda been someone in his inner circle
@tchem
@tchem Жыл бұрын
@@ApostleMan222 GM don't prepare classical games studying opponents blitz game, they require different game styles
@Saitawa
@Saitawa Жыл бұрын
Caruana and Maxime's game is insane. As a beginner that was so complex and hearth throbbing
@Imfromjamaicaman
@Imfromjamaicaman Жыл бұрын
This pin of shame thing is gonna spawn a new speedrun category...
@pjhill5452
@pjhill5452 Жыл бұрын
Hans Niemann looks like a Bond villain, not the strong beefy one but the mastermind behind everything
@Hierarchangel
@Hierarchangel Жыл бұрын
I want to see you guess the Elo of Hans' analysis of his own game.
@TheBiffsterLife
@TheBiffsterLife Жыл бұрын
Simplest explanation is that when Magnus heard Hans prepped for a line he had never played, Magnus smelled strong BS.
@davidquinn9676
@davidquinn9676 Жыл бұрын
If that's all it is, even if it's true, Magnus had BETTER come out REAL SOON and say that's all he suspected. Otherwise Magnus is turning his own reputation to scum.
@OtherDAS
@OtherDAS Жыл бұрын
EXCEPT Magnus had played it twice before.
@johansenjuwp
@johansenjuwp Жыл бұрын
i mean i can believe it, some of the biggest video game tournament have caught people actively cheating when its in person
@darylgraham4313
@darylgraham4313 Жыл бұрын
I think it's actually most likely he got Magnus's prep. Like there's no way Magnus is treating his prep like some kind of national secret intellectual property with two factor authentication
@sergejmaher144
@sergejmaher144 Жыл бұрын
U know jack
@kalodawg8297
@kalodawg8297 Жыл бұрын
You're such a stupid absolute f**k. Magnus has only played this line A SINGLE TIME in history. How would he even get magnus's prep? Just shut up already if you don't know what you're speaking of Hans's whole interview post game is super sus, and he's been caught cheating several times in the past. Once a cheater, very likely forever a cheater
@kevin12522
@kevin12522 Жыл бұрын
What does prep mean
@NicholasElodeon
@NicholasElodeon Жыл бұрын
TBF Peter and Yasser did a great job taking us through that endgame
@cocothecocobo1860
@cocothecocobo1860 Жыл бұрын
“Understandable but my god would it be devastating” is one of the most poetic Levi quotes I’ve heard
@richardmallow9189
@richardmallow9189 Жыл бұрын
Holy crap. You're rapidly approaching 2 million subscribers! Congrats, my dude!
Жыл бұрын
If he didn't cheat then Magnus deprived him of a genuine victory and the accolades he deserved for it.
@sofarsogod
@sofarsogod Жыл бұрын
But he cheated once, thats enough evidence. Whats stopping him from doing it again? what? morals? kid has no morals.
@daltonburnett7181
@daltonburnett7181 Жыл бұрын
@Alex F i love it when people speak out their ass, amazing😋.
@derekma6482
@derekma6482 Жыл бұрын
@Alex F so theyre not allowed to get up and move around for possibly 4-5 hours? that's probably just as bad to be honest
@OwenNovakChildofGod
@OwenNovakChildofGod Жыл бұрын
@Alex F this has got to be the dumbest, most stupid fucking thing I’ve read this entire week. The most retarded solution possible
@AGMatzen
@AGMatzen Жыл бұрын
@Alex F lmao
@boldimor84
@boldimor84 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, all that comments about the interview after the match with Alireza seem to forget about the fact, that this day was strange for all players, let alone Hans. Imagine if he maybe is really innocent and you are still supposed to continue the tournament and give interviews and analysis. Ofc you might be nervous, even if you're innocent. Not saying he IS innocent, but still people should maybe consider this. And don't say why should he be nervous, if he doesn't have anything to hide: that line is and was always bullshit...
@rubikvoncube3583
@rubikvoncube3583 Жыл бұрын
exactly - the evidence does seem somewhat damning, but until the truth comes to light there's no reason to assume his guilt and ruin his reputation. Like you said, when people say things like "the innocent never run", or "if he's not guilty he has no reason to be nervous", it's incredibly dumb to assume that only a guilty party feels fear when shoved into the spotlight
@boblikes
@boblikes Жыл бұрын
@@rubikvoncube3583 What evidence exactly exists that "seems somewhat damning?" Did they find him with a cheating device? Someone communicating with him covertly and it was caught on camera? I'm curious how you can make a claim to evidence existing here. Please provide.
@rubikvoncube3583
@rubikvoncube3583 Жыл бұрын
@@boblikes correction: I should have said "the situation" instead of evidence. Posted my reply in a rush and accidentally used the wrong word, sorry about that. I'm simply referring to these two facts: 1) Hans played moves that represented perfect prep for the position (according to a comment that I saw, 20 moves of prep, although I can't verify the exact number personally) 2) After the game, Hans seemed unable to explain the position he played so perfectly, indicating that that he likely (not positively) did not understand the moves, but was rather reciting them from memory This *situation* (not necessarily evidence, as you rightfully stated), combined with the way Hans spoke trivially of the position, all just seems a bit fishy, that's all. I'm not making an accusation, but I am saying that based on the situation, a reasonable accusation could be made. And by "could", I mean that it's possible, I'm not implying anything that it should be made, or that such an accusation is a strongly supported one, only that it is not completely baseless. However, that aside, my reply was not really intended to focus on those details, the main point was that I was trying to echo OP's sentiment that people assume nervousness implies guilt. I was more focused on that idea rather than the details of the situation, hence why I misspoke
@RazorStrap
@RazorStrap Жыл бұрын
@@rubikvoncube3583 His reputation, by his own admission, is a cheater.
@opioneer33
@opioneer33 Жыл бұрын
@@boblikes You probably know this but his rating went up in a way that hadn't happened in the game's documented history. I think it's unusual to make drastic improvement to your game at that level so the obvious possibility is he found a way to cheat.
@dimitrispapaioannou1186
@dimitrispapaioannou1186 Жыл бұрын
Ιt would be amazing if you can show or mention the clip of Levon commenting about the whole drama. The man is a true gentleman and what he said is such a bliss for the chess world.
@philiplee359
@philiplee359 Жыл бұрын
Gotham Chess: people just don't withdraw from tournaments Bobby Fischer:
@tvrskkngdm2333
@tvrskkngdm2333 Жыл бұрын
Tx, Levy. Great work as always.
@mrclean1202
@mrclean1202 Жыл бұрын
Gothamchess I really aspire to be as good as you are at chess. Keep making videos I love watching these, you’re by far the most entertaining chess KZfaqr
@7inrain
@7inrain Жыл бұрын
It was good that you repeatedly pointed to the most basic but also the most important thing in this matter: We need evidence before we can reach any conclusion!
@kupach4620
@kupach4620 Жыл бұрын
"I'm sorry this is gonna be a light screen" Was the best warning ive got from a youtuber, love it
@nathanealcarmichael2584
@nathanealcarmichael2584 Жыл бұрын
Yoooo I’m dead 🤣🤣 I skipped right thru the video onto the ad revenue section, gotta go watch all the games now
@justinherbert9146
@justinherbert9146 Жыл бұрын
Magnus suspected that there was a mole - a leaker - in his inner circle, someone very close to him. So he prepped an obscure line he had never played before, and his suspicions were confirmed when Hans fell for the trap - Hans admitted in the post game interview that it was "a miracle" that he prepped for that opening in the morning prior to the game - yeah sure. Magnus did not bolt the tournament because he lost a game - he stormed out due to his feelings of a supreme betrayal. In time - we will find out who his Judas was - Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 silver coins.
@ammonquitalig9077
@ammonquitalig9077 Жыл бұрын
This sounds more likely
@brooooooooooom4765
@brooooooooooom4765 Жыл бұрын
It could be someone named Jess. Jess speaks for it self.
@ErnestLebedev
@ErnestLebedev Жыл бұрын
Oh, wow. Good thought, sounds very reasonable 👍
@ashtonal
@ashtonal Жыл бұрын
Durov will become an easy likely suspect...
@rrrrre2905
@rrrrre2905 Жыл бұрын
out of all the reasons this seems the most plausable
@RationalEgoism
@RationalEgoism Жыл бұрын
Original title: "Biggest SCANDAL In Chess History" Levy's probably going to change it again.
@geepeeone
@geepeeone Жыл бұрын
that money sculpture behind is very pricey piece of art!
@mhjunky4278
@mhjunky4278 Жыл бұрын
7:20 God I love you levi 🤣😂 Glad we have this chess moment tbh though i feel bad for both person involved *hans & magnus cuz they are just going to speculate to oblivion lmao
@mrbeastmode842
@mrbeastmode842 Жыл бұрын
Drama is exactly what chess needed with the state of preparation
@hutterite1
@hutterite1 Жыл бұрын
You, sir....are my new Go-to in chess News. Along with Rick, from Chess to Express. I love chess, but I'm too busy to follow it on a daily basis. You're now hired to fill me in
@seanharvey4989
@seanharvey4989 Жыл бұрын
Chess to Impress is a brilliant chess channel!!
@hutterite1
@hutterite1 Жыл бұрын
@@seanharvey4989 it is. But Rick only covers World Championship Match now
@justanaveragebalkan
@justanaveragebalkan Жыл бұрын
I swear the Hans line, is every single line when you get paired with a fresh cheater at 1200 xD
@rossthebesiegebuilder3563
@rossthebesiegebuilder3563 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine how he could have snuck in an engine, unless he hid it in his chapstick or something.
@ToDDHeaDD
@ToDDHeaDD Жыл бұрын
I think the most plausible narrative is that Magnus' prep had leaked and Hans studied it.
@Bruh-bk6yo
@Bruh-bk6yo Жыл бұрын
@@ToDDHeaDD even if it had leaked - was that Hans' problem lol?
@Bruh-bk6yo
@Bruh-bk6yo Жыл бұрын
Stockfish ceiling Stockfish ceiling Stockfish ceiling
@ToDDHeaDD
@ToDDHeaDD Жыл бұрын
@@Bruh-bk6yo Well yes, if that were the case, Hans made a conscious decision to look at the leaked prep.
@thomasjackson9993
@thomasjackson9993 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@MenloMarseilles
@MenloMarseilles Жыл бұрын
Eh, there's no way this is bigger drama than the Eagles saga at this early stage. That was also super-GM level chess, there was actual evidence of cheating rather than just bad vibes, and not to mention it brought us the iconic "PIPI in Pampers" corncob rant. If evidence actually comes out, then maybe.
@Brazz27
@Brazz27 Жыл бұрын
Did you just really try to make sense of a clickbait title?
@jaconova
@jaconova Жыл бұрын
What? Can you elaborate for the people who doesn´t have any idea what are you talking aobut?
@coldspine3697
@coldspine3697 Жыл бұрын
@@jaconova a guy called Tigran Petrosian (not the old Soviet world champion) cheated in a game against Wesley So. Everyone called him out but he said he has been playing chess since Wesley was doing pipi in his pampers and can beat him whenever he wants, even though Wesley is like a million times stronger than Petrosian. That was a big scandal
@niranjanrajesh1058
@niranjanrajesh1058 Жыл бұрын
This is the greatest chess player of all time,this is far greater than the pipi drama
@MenloMarseilles
@MenloMarseilles Жыл бұрын
@@jaconova To elaborate on ColdSpine's explanation: I called it "the Eagles saga" because the cheating took place in a team tournament between national teams (the "Professional Rapid Online Chess League" aka "PRO Chess League" aka "PCL"), and Petrosian was playing for the Armenia Eagles when he produced his suspicious results. Levy made a video about it at the time: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNeqn5ainqjXmGQ.html
@quietlike
@quietlike Жыл бұрын
I can get a grasp of people cheating “on the big stage” After some guy was caught cheating in poker, on a livestream, nothing surprises me about people who cheat
@dpurdyciv4417
@dpurdyciv4417 Жыл бұрын
Mike Postle
@nortonantho
@nortonantho Жыл бұрын
This sounds like the origin story of genius super-villain.
@BlandBandit
@BlandBandit Жыл бұрын
Either Magnus knows something we don't but will find out soon OR we may be witnessing a sliw decent into paranoia and madness like Fischer
@BlandBandit
@BlandBandit Жыл бұрын
@mister kluge im inclined to believe magnus knows something
@vogel2499
@vogel2499 Жыл бұрын
Magnus has too much money to be descend into madness.
@menace202
@menace202 Жыл бұрын
@@vogel2499Rich people can go crazy
@newpgaston6891
@newpgaston6891 Жыл бұрын
"unresolved drama" also leaves me uneasy; I always feel like nothing's gonna happen, when something SHOULD happen... If he cheated, then what should happen is obvious, but if he didn't cheat, then nothing will ever happen, and we won't know whether nothing happened because he's legit, or nothing happened because he was smart enough not to get caught. Kinda leaves a bad taste. That's why cheating accusations should always be made when there's a STRONG suspicion, not just a gut feeling. Because even if no evidence is ever brought up, it kinda leaves a taint on the game (or the sport, or whatever it is). Which I'm sure Magnus is aware of, so unless he's just being butthurt about losing a game, makes me feel like he does have that strong suspicion. Anyway, I would hope for something to be resolved, but I doubt we'll get anything. I would want some more statements from the parties involved, but we may not get that either.
@ReverseFlash23
@ReverseFlash23 Жыл бұрын
I just started watching chess and getting into the chess world LAST WEEK. What great timing 😂
@HJAproductions
@HJAproductions Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I am definitely in the phase of playing the Vienna against anything.
@dunadain_aragorn1941
@dunadain_aragorn1941 Жыл бұрын
He bouta speak for himself 💀
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