Joel

@@TheElectricCheeseProductions22 JOEL

This was one my pandemic binges I’d watch a couple times. Great lectures

Can you please settle a bet for me. Are you the same guy as little Joel?

@@Islandswamp they're two different guys who happen to look identical without being twins. It's crazy

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there's only good or bad, unless we tell you otherwise, in which case it's an entirely artificial grey area designed to obfuscate the fact that we liked it better with less human rights, but we can't say that, because bad cancel culture

Murder bad, death penalty good, because moral consistency is the name of the game around here

@@user-et3xn2jm1u there is consistency, it's just very stupid consistency. They consistently defend white men. That's all.

Cannibalism and human sacrifice is especially bad when the people that were enslaved and murdered in this example never actually practiced either. Like the Taino, who were the first victims of Columbus and the later Spanish Viceroys.

I literally commented the same thing a minute ago, before I saw your comment. It's so hypocritical. It's like a slap to the face.

@@angygremlin4423 but you see it’s okay for powerful straight white men to commit violence for political power-no one else unless to help those white men

Not quite know if this is true , but it said that King George stated, Why are the loudest cricers of Liberty are the drivers of Negros?

Why is that phrase a "right" quote? Does the left not want freedom over anything else?

Columbus was Spanish and he basically did say that

you got a great point, my friend! xD

Holy shit trans Silver

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Exactly.

but we CAN judge him from standards at his time. He was so fucking bad that he was called back by the Spanish government for inhumane practices

@@theeverydayworldofbodies3779 I love that even by the standards of the time he was going too far

​@@theeverydayworldofbodies3779 keep in mind, he was also Italian 💀

@@dascreeb5205 his voyages were sponsored by spain

I don't understand how conservative channels like PragerU can simultaneously hold beliefs like "give me liberty or give me death" in the context of the American Revolution but "slavery, forced religious conversation, and torture aren't as bad as death lol" when it comes to the Taino/other native peoples.

Ikr? I had to stop the video and take a break: just to process what I've just heard.

i went from 😐 to 😨 way too fast lmao. my jaw DROPPED

It also implies that those were Columbus's only two choices about how to deal with the indigenous Americans he encountered.

I would bet money they say "give me liberty or give me death" when discussing a slave-owning founding father in another video, though I don't want to check.

Well you have to admit that these natives killed each other because of their misguided religions. Unlike Europeans who killed each other over the right religion.

It's also telling how even at the time the man was a fucking abhorrent monster. He stole and destroyed unimaginable hoards of wealth for his own interest, and for that the church excommunicated him, he was stripped of authority, and replaced with similarly avaricious, if not as wrathful, men.

@@Chillerll Oh of course - I mean you gotta kill people for Judeo-Christian values. Which if I recall correctly was properly practiced by blaming the Judeo- portion for killing Jesus and orienting Europe's political power around Rome, even though it was the Romans who actually did the deed and Jesus was part of that Judeo portion of the population. That's the right religion in action! Very important to share that around.

AND I guarantee there are videos on Prager U that complain about cultural relativism, how the libs tell them they can't judge child marriages or the way women are treated in Islam due to their culture (that is such a common strawman used by the right to argue that people on the left have no morals)

They did benefit, look at places that werent conquered and youd see mud huts

Literally against the American motto of “give me liberty or give me death”

It would make since if they did, I definitely wouldn't want to live a life of slavery

Also a good chunk of them were forced to work on mines, and those did have a high suicidal rate

PragerU’s advocacy of “Christian values” never seems very Christian. Feed the poor, heal the sick, welcome the stranger, turn the other cheek, don’t be judgmental… even pay your taxes are what Jesus advocated. Jesus, however, didn’t like the moneylenders. It’s almost as if Jesus was an anti-capitalist socialist?!

Oh yeah, in droves. Suicide was very high among slaves, as were revolts and other forms of resistance like slow working or sabotage. Whenever someone asks me “why didn’t slaves just revolt?” I answer “they did, a lot”

Well, this is a problem that easily goes away when you decide to stop considering slaves as people, as conservatives do.

That isn't a very good argument. Slavers wouldn't enjoy being enslaved either. Just because you don't like it when something bad is done to you doesn't mean you oppose that bad thing _on principle._ No, the real argument is that we have written accounts from throughout human history of people who understood that slavery is abhorrent on principle. There was never a time when people couldn't figure that out.

Fredrick Douglass would be rolling in his grave that there are *still* people who will argue that slavery wasn't too bad.

Africans sold each other off as slaves and the people bought them because that was pretty common back then

@@Scooterbeerrun see, but you just did the same thing. More of us who? Could the slaves afford to be altruistic?

And both were optional. You didn't have to enslave or kill people. PragerU wrote that line, they approved it and recorded it for children. Did they understand that at all, was that the best they could do?

How many Taino chose mass suicide over capture by slavers? I know for sure it was a lot more than zero.

@@namedhuman5870 I'm only human after all

@@jabuticaba4003 dont put the blame on me

A gladiator choked himself with a Jupiter-damn toilet sponge to get out of being a gladiator. If that doesn't say slavery can be worse than death I don't know what does

Since you "cheat to win", it actually sounds like the problem here isn't even that slavery is bad, but that it's economically unfair that some people "get to own slaves" while others don't.

They see black people the same as chess pieces

I'm a bit more surprised that the video explicitly says that slavery is not "clearly bad"

It's called an analogy. The point is that cheaters did a bad thing, and slave owners did a bad thing. The question PU is asking is: how should we reconcile with people who do bad things? Analogies are never ever perfectly 1:1 comparisons. The point is to take the important mechanics underlying a topic, and find another topic which shares those underlying mechanics. Normally, this is done to bypass any emotional charge or other intellectual barriers surrounding a topic. The point here is to simplify the issue by relating it to something a kid can understand. A kid doesn't know what it's like to be the President of the United States, but a kid does know what it's like to have friends who cheat at games. This is an incredibly mundane communication technique. PU is a dogshit organization, but criticizing them for drawing an analogy is utterly worthless. What would you have them do? Compare slavery to the Holocaust? In what way would that make the subject easier for kids to digest?

@@foop145the problem is that the analogy is poorly made

🤣 I know you meant that as a hypothetical metaphor, but it was literally the defense of John Jamelske, who kidnapped and kept a series of 5 women and girls for periods of months to years, chained by the ankle in his basement. Not only was it "ridiculous" to imprison him for punishment since he didn't kill them ... the prosecutors painted an "unfair" picture that made him "look like" a monster. Like how they said one of his victims was 13, but she was 14 when he released her! And they said the dungeon had only a bucket to use as a toilet, when really it was a CAMPER toilet bucket! I mean MY GOD, he even gave one of them A1 steak sauce! -I'm not joking; those were literally defenses he gave. The dude was nuts -he kept a calendar where he marked all the times he r___ d them but considered it "work" so he kept a tally of payments he owed them for it .... but he subtracted "room and board" amounts from that. So for instance $210 was the amount he calculated he owed one woman, after being his captive slave for over 2 years. He was a millionaire by the way. So when he was caught, the state split his wealth 5 ways, for the 5 victims.

@@audreymuzingo933 Lets be real here, the prosecutor just gave the fuck up. He didn’t even try because how can you defend that xD that story is so fucked up, thank you for sharing

@@rainingcomplete3018 There was no trial -he pleaded guilty to all counts because he didn't think they were a big deal. He thought he would just get community service, even though his lawyers tried to convince him otherwise.

@@audreymuzingo933 pftt that is hilarious

@@rainingcomplete3018 I agree. He was up for parole just last year. - DENIED, ha. Crazy thing is, he already looked ancient when he was arrested in 2003, so it's hard to believe he's even still alive! You should look up that story sometime, and see the dungeon, it's effing horrifying what kind of "living" those poor people had to do.

He was arrested and deported because he did slave trade Spanish ships and spanish crew when the spanish crown declared they abolished slave trade. Not because he was too cruel. If he had permission from italy instead he would be fine.

@SomeCoolToad if you wanna get technical then yes, but he had no love for the Spanish, he cut a woman's tongue out, crucified a little boy, sold little girls casually, ordered a dozen starving men to be bound and whipped for buying food, etc. That's not to mention the horrible atrocities towards the indigenous, doing slave trade was about the least bad thing he did.

it said something that even the Spanish king and nobility that did bloody wars and anti Muslims and Semitic act were horrified by what Columbus did.

@@yusukeelric and they abolished that because it was too cruel. So why even bother with what you said?

@@riotbreaker3506 Also, if we go technical, it was Castilla at the time (Spain as a legal entity didn't exist until 1714), and the Castillian Queen at the time (Isabella I) had signed an act called the Laws of Indies for which the natives were legally considered as Castillian citizens, so legally speaking, he was in for a world of troubles anyways (and in fact the natives he traded were later set free and given compensation).

I think I even heard a bit of Scottish.

yeah I'm spanish and that accent is just... no

At least they didn't give him a British accent.

He wasn't even that tbh. At the time, he would probably identify as Genoan, as Italian identity came to life around the time Napoleon had conqueredb the peninsula.

I'll be real here, I thought Columbus was from Spain

holy shit so he was just a maniac 😭

It's no different than police chiefs scapegoating their officers today, they sent him to do their dirty work and then threw him under the bus after to save face

Actually, no. He was sent to jail for his savagery, but the king pardoned him and funded his next trip.

and when they say “political” they mean the show _hinting_ that one of their characters is gay

Yea ikr? God forbid there's a gay couple in a cartoon

Unsurprisingly, much of their complaints are projection

When they say “politics in kids shows is bad” they mean beliefs that don’t line up with their own or gay people.

I always find it kind of extra nonsensical when Catholics (i.e. Christopher Columbus was Catholic) use cannibalism as an excuse for genocide and/or slavery considering the doctrine of transubstantiation ("bread becomes flesh, wine becomes blood of Jesus"), but besides that, you never see people only enslaving whom they find guilty of cannibalism; like if some priests in a society do some cannibalism in some religious ritual or whatever, why does the whole society's population become enslaved/killed besides the just priests? It is revealing.

The Right must be really dependent on fundamentalist homeschooling to keep producing people that are ignorant enough to swallow this bilge without asking questions.

But ofc, as Joel alludes to, Columbus would never have said anything of the sort. He would have said "I'm sad to see that the morality of the future has become so degenerate." Obviously, he thought he was morally justified, and would be as baffled as a pillow salesman by the idea that our morals are "different".

Furthermore, we have plenty of documents from the time: there were a lot of people in Europe calling out what Columbus & co. were doing in the Americas as “immoral”, including in the catholic church…

“it’s fine that we did bad things because we’re white” that is literally the argument

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Does he have pronouns 😤😤

Blue for boy, so you dont get confused

@@1Hawkears1 they/them Leo 😰

"His" voice is suspiciously feminine too... 🤨

And all of the people who were enslaved, but I guess they don't count for some reason.

"But colonizators were so nice that they atleast didn´t kill, but just enslaved the rest :) " -PragerU (probably)

I don't think you can blame the conquistadors for most of the deaths, since those were caused by disease. They're to blame for any deaths caused by abuse or exploitation. Columbus' sponsor, queen Isabella declared that the Indians were not to be enslaved.

When you slam dunk a slam dunk case.

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 well... yes

This is one of my favourite Saul Goodman moments alongside that one time he legally acquired New Mexico

I could totally hear him saying this

@@husky0098 Nice reference, my favorite Saul Goodman moment was when he became a powerful being after he died just for his nation.

“Your honor, you can’t judge the actions of my client two years ago by the standards you have today!

I’m Steve Serialkiller and I can confirm. My family has held the patent on serial killing since we invented it twenty years ago (once it stopped being “the past” and so bad things could start to exist)

I WAS THINKING OF THE SAME OMG LIKE DOES IT NOT MATTER IF I MURDER PEOPLE IF I DID NOT INVENT MURDER!?!?

that's a cute strawman. the argument would be more like, ''when serial killing was normal, my client engaged in it and therefore doesn't deserve to be singled out. some of my clients were early adopters of 'anti' serial killing and successfully enacted reforms before most others. therefore, condemning my clientele as especially villainous would be unjust.'' - I'm not saying that is an amazing argument, just that if you want to engage with peoples arguments, then engage with their arguments - not mischaracterizations that are easy to dunk on.

@@davebowman9913 this is a youtube comments section not the fucking ben shapiro show 💀

I hope the swamp puppies organize a committee to devour all those who vouched for PragerU in schools.

We've failed as a species.

Right horrifying

Idk man, I’m in Florida and I haven’t watched this, yet

Although i’m an Aussie, I still feel for you saner Floridians.

even the Inquisition considered his methods too cruel

He was a crowned on bafoon

Conservatives do this about everything they try to whitewash, and what you're saying is almost always true. There's some idea that the concept of justice was invented recently, but people who were historically pieces of shit, were known at the time to be pieces of shit, and there have always been people at any time in history that knew that shit like slavery was wrong, the same way that today we know that a lot of shit that people in power do frequently is wrong.

​@@GiordanDiodato don't understand why people like Prager go to bat for a guy that not only was seen as worse than the og torturers but that has almost nothing to do with US history.

So was Thomas Jefferson, he was called a hypocrite. But, people always say "everyone agreed with slavery back then".

An ironic quote from Patrick Henry, a Virginian slave owner. Out of all of the United States' founders, only a few never owned slaves: John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Roger Sherman, and Thomas Paine.

Dumb because I'd much rather die than be enslaved. You're tortured as a slave. Death, you feel nothing.

Even worse when the idea that slaves "consented" to slavery by not killing themselves was used as an excuse at the time.

​@@vanyadollyThat's a nasty double bind. "Oh they didn't kill themselves so slavery is ok" "Oh, they killed themselves, they're going to hell,"

@@debeb5148 Heres thought... they lost a war so slavery is okay.. because in losing a war the other option is death. if not slavery or servitutde/ submission to the attacking nation.

-King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, Columbus's own employers

That's not what pisses me off the most. The 'floatiness' of the animation make it seem like they're not people, that they're just puppets. I know they're puppet rigs but most puppet rigs at least seem like they're people.

@@Xenderman linear interpolation

​@@Xenderman I know right, it looks like they used motion capture or something. It looks so odd

This doesn't apply to all gay people but I've seen videos of people taking their children to pride parades which from what I've seen are pretty sexual in nature and not child appropriate or people in drag teaching kids to twerk or people being upset that there's a bill that prohibits teachers from talking to kids under a certain grade level about sex I absolutely believe SOME people in the Lgbt community are trying to indoctrinate children. I'm not defending PragerU either I just beleive that there are bad apples on both sides of the political spectrum and that neither side is perfect.

Literally

Every accusation is a confession for these people.

Seriously though! It happens on both sides, but conservatives massively take the lions share of the cake when it comes to railing against others for behaviors of which they are masters of. They're like dogs barking at themselves in a mirror. Behavioral studies have showed time and again how the average conservative has a much more difficult with empathy. They think it has to do with deficits of imagination, and the ability to imagine themselves in the shoes of others. They tend to possess an avoidance to novel exsperiance, which ties directly into the unwillingness or inability to consider the exsperiance of others. You see this all the time. Its why highly and dogmatic religious people tend to be highly conservative, they refuse to or are literally unable to consider the fact that billions of other people believe in their other religions or world views just as profoundly and with just as much certainty as they do in their own god. How often they think they are one of the "chosen" people. That they've felt it to be right, so subsequently "know its right". They have a very difficult time with nuance and tend to see the world in white and black, strictly right and wrong. Its much harder to be a nostic, an absolutist, or a conservative when you can't help but consider things (honestly) from other persons points of view.

​@@SigFigNewton exactly. It's the Goebbels playbook.

It's the only thing me and Dennis agree on.

And if you don't give me all of those things, I'm gonna ruin your life!

I mean who doesn't

That's not goodness, that's narcissism.

​@@peterprime2140 What an interesting PFP 😅

Care to elaborate on that?

@@igorlorenc1445 huh? What do you mean?

@@eelvis1674 I am interested in how you consider those things this evil. Yes, I agree with Joel that Prager is deeply wrong on this one, but ehy are you that much disgusted by this?

@@igorlorenc1445 I don't know. It just hit me hard for some reason. Might be the message conveyed through such a childish cartoon and voice acting. But I in general don't buy the arguement of not judging people by "today's standard". It's just an excuse that today's equivalent of slave owners and colonists use to feel less bad about being shit heads lol.

@@eelvis1674 mostly because they do not consider themselves bad for doing those things. Morality is a bit of a tricky issue. For the most part people cant agree on what is good and badbin this world in principle, so utilitarianism and liberalism are actually pretty usefull in this regard. Religion kinda falls flat on this issue.

Proud Cuban Patriot Dennis Prager o7

Right. The natives were the discoverers of the Americas, and that famous band of Vikings arrived at North America around 500 years before Columbus did.

Also Cannibalism was happening in Europe as well… not a mass epidemic but there are notable cases.

@@jjtheraccoon61 exactly. It’s like Prager U haven’t even seen Vinland Saga

@@micahcook2408 Since I just heared about this recently - Like the rich people of Europe BUYING corpses/mummies in Eqypt and eating them (or more like a powder they made out of them)

I feel bad for Florida children

Floridian here, our schools are basically being destroyed by “deathsantis” (sorry i heard that name once and like using that lmfaooo) and ive been getting most education from things outside of school. Luckily i am outside of the main age range prageru kids to be shown in my schools -somewhat safe from desantis in pinellas

The funny thing about this episode and the poor kids in Florida that will have to see it is that many people in Florida are latinos, and Colombus and other colonizers fucked Latinoamerica and our culture to the point where in this modern times, we need to leave our countries becuase the government and economy are broken. And this cunts go and say we should thank him for democracy and religion, as if we didn't had it.

don't forget texas now too 🙃

not like florida or texas is a very good place to raise a child anyways... absolute shitholes.

And like a bunch of them are dead down there too

Remember, chained in their own feces and urine.

Meanwhile, of course they'd completely wig out at Muslims enslaving, killing, subjugating, or converting Christians in a similar manner.

And then imagine those kids learning about all of those who managed to jump overboard because they felt that death was better than slavery, actually.

@@locsoluv94 the sick ones were often thrown overboard, too, as dead slaves were quite often insured for more than they could sell a sick, alive slave for.

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When he said "a woman's smile is one of God's greatest creations," he's basically saying God created women for men's fulfilment and appreciation.

@@EdamL22 I mean yeah a lot of super religious seem to believe that

@@EdamL22 That like legit made my jaw drop a little

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PragerU really said ☹+ ✝ = 😃

Unfortunately it was just Catholicism

Conservatives: we are morally upright people that believe in freedom. Also conservatives: colonialism and imperialism were actually really good for the people that got colonized. Just look at all the civic improvements that Leopold II made in the Congo region.

​@@miskatonic_alumni Leopold 2 made some armless changes. You have to hand it to him.😬🤮

My reaction was more “what people are you saying columbus helped and civilized?He killed such an obscene number of people that if anything the civilization was irrevocably destroyed, considering so much of the society was killed off”

Especially since in most cases “Western civilization” didn’t even stick in any significant way.

Yeah, that line made me wince when I heard it. I'm not sure anything good EVER hid behind that sentiment.

What the hell does 'western civilization' even mean? Like, do these people know anything about European history? Most European countries HATED each other.

@@austinreed7343 and also most of the core countries arent even religious anymore, it’s only the US and like some of Eastern Europe

Oh, they spread western civilization alright: by enslaving them and turning human beings into commodities for industry.

Or maybe they can afford to be soft on crime BECAUSE they don't have much of it? They can have an open air prison on an island because you'd freeze to death swimming to the next island.

@@marthademovimaus5140 they don’t have much crime because they treat their criminals well, they rarely have repeat offenders

@@MrIKEACat I don't buy it. Epstein went to a country club prison, why'd he reoffend?

I heard the soviets didn’t have high crime rates. Yet they had the death penalty

@@wkeezz the difference is that the Soviet Russia had basically no laws, and when people were caught for crimes, they could bribe the authorities.

I don’t get why people thinking that what Columbus did was good. This shouldn’t be glorified, we should always know him as a awful person because he own slaves.

tbh, in many ways, Columbus did invent slavery. Like, he had a large part in inventing race itself and racial justifications for enslavement.

He is a fan of genocidal fuckwads. Real role models for him, he's doing his best to bat for them.

​@@aliciad270 he had a big part in founding the institution of _racialised, chattel_ slavery, _as it was carried out in the Americas._ But that's not the entirety of slavery! Remember that the old testament/torah talks approvingly about slavery and gives rules for who you may and may not enslave and how to treat them. Many of the ancient greek city states were slave states with incredibly high rates of slavery; I think I've read figures up to a quarter of people in Athens being slaves? Just off the top of my head. And mine slaves in ancient Rome were as cruelly treated as slaves at any point in history. But yes, Columbus basically founded the triangle trade and deserves every ounce of criticism he gets for that. Man was a motherfucking monster, frankly.

@@hairymcnipples i love this comment so much, said what i was thinking

Uh yeah I was pretty confused on that part too like, yo it’s not like the attempts at colonization were met with a population of people who were chill and down with being colonized

I will ask them next time: "Don't judge the USSR or China" with the same logic. Let me start a war.

Literally. Like a more recent example of someone thinking it's a big deal is John Brown, the guy who would shoot slave owners and helped slaves escape by letting them hide in his house or giving them resources. so like clearly it wasn't always seen as chill. even before John Brown people knew it was wrong. there were people who'd help slaves escape, or people who would buy slaves to free them. (though that one isn't as confirmed. however people alive during slavery had said it happened.) also like, people even during the American revolution thought it was weird. John Lawrence tried to free slaves. And Alexander Hamilton's son had once written that his dad bought a group of slaves and freed them. Which, even if that's a lie done to repair his image, that says that at least his son knew that slavery was wrong and that freeing them was a good thing.

I think we can say rather safely that from the day the first human being was enslaved, the first slaver was born, and so to the first abolitionist. To suggest that, at minimum, the enslaved were incapable of petitioning for their own freedom, and had to wait until western philosophy would put a name to a cause is an insane veil adopted by fascist demons.

Like yeah the millions of enslaved people would probably beg to differ 😂

Ha!

"I was only following orders. My orders."

I love how they’ll talk about really wanting the death penalty but also defend murderers from the past because “they didn’t event it!” 🤔

Got me out of so many court cases, this one

Layla and Leo were the shooters on the grassy knoll

What would conservatives do if he was alive though? If he had decades more to educate Americans to his actual beliefs. They couldn't just go "content of character lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala". Had to go.

God I just got up to the bit where MLK was brought up and "content of character" was rolled out lol.

@@taranullius9221 Probably a big part of why he had to die for them tbh. The FBI literally sent him kys letters.

​@@taranullius9221 If they failed to kill him this particular time, they'd just go back and do it again. It wasn't the first time the US government attempted to assassinate King, and the only reason it was the last is because it was successful. Not a conspiracy theory, btw - the US government was found guilty in court of conspiring to murder King in 1999. The fact that this isn't mentioned every single time MLK is brought up astounds me.

Don't forget Columbus was condemned by the church because his actions were considered to be vile even by their standards. Even during his time he was seen a shitty person.

Also the people that Columbus (and later Spanish authorities) brutalized and enslaved the most, the Taino, never practiced human sacrifice. In fact it was their aversion to conflict and willingness to compromise that made the Spanish think they would be ideal slaves. Now the other big culture in the region, the Caribs, were alleged to have been cannibals, though it is to this day disputed if and to what degree this was true. It is suspicious that neither the English nor French accused the Caribs of widespread cannibalism during their later wars with them, only the Spanish did so. As far back as the 18th century scientist Alexander von Humboldt accused earlier Spanish reports of being total fabrication. But it is considered to be plausible that there was some ritualized cannibalism of captives, something also practiced by Europeans, just in another form. Look up what happened to the bodies of people who were executed in Europe during the Early Modern Period, it's...not pretty. Medical cannibalism is a thing. It's pretty disturbing how much people used to be into comsuming pieces of other people. In fact, if we spread it to the later US, cannibalism or human sacrifice were almost unheard of among the indigenous North American cultures. Meanwhile the Spanish and the early English colonists publicly killed people for the explicit reason of appeasing God and in the case of the Salem hysteria, to improve their fortunes after devastating war and famine. Is this not a practice of human sacrifice? You could even argue that Lynching is a form of human sacrifice, I certainly am. Some random minority is grabbed off the street, sans legal conviction of a crime. Then the entire community comes together with their families to gleefully watch as the victim is brutally murdered, all while the audience is cheering, eating, singing and praising God. Afterwards the body of the victim is mutilated, with trophies being taken home by the attendants. As far as I'm concerned such a crime is absolutely ritual human sacrifice and would be called such if the culprits weren't WASPs. If we accept this, then the barbaric American Southerner practiced human sacrifices until at least the 1950s (that we know of). But you would rightfully be called crazy if you said that "they commit human sacrifice" about every person of European descent living in North America at that time. Now, does this particular savage tribe known as "The South" deserve to be enslaved, colonized or forcefully converted away from their violent culture and beastly cult that includes human sacrifice? I mean that last part objectively yes, but the people funding Prager would have you disappeared if you were a public figure expressing that.

@@sherlocksmuuug6692 I'll go one further and postulate that capital punishment is a form of human sacrifice to appease the "god" of retribution for the public. Whatever reasons or rituals are used to justify murder within a society, the end result is the same. At the end of the day, the Spanish tried to justify considerably more murder of natives than the natives ever did.

@@sherlocksmuuug6692 Very few Native Americans (and Aztecs/Mayans) performed human sacrifice, it was an ancient tradition that was rapidly dying out. Many tribes never did it.

He was literally told not to enslave ppl by Queen Isabella bc they should have the same rights as Spaniards, so this excuse doesn’t even work Even the country that backed him (or at least parts of it… idk I’m rusty on my history) didn’t agree with the practices he put into place And Columbus was a dumbass anyways, not that I’d expect all the much intelligence from someone who fucked a llama and gave humanity syphilis. Idk why America ever decided he was some national hero

I mean it’s like real life, too. Like the school where the kids did a fundraiser to pay off another students lunch debt. And a lot of media outlets were like “awww this such a heartwarming story :)” instead of asking why a literal child had a debt.

It *is* a happy ending to them. Why? Because the wheelchair kid had to *earn* a fundraiser. They had to have friends who cared enough to fundraise for them. Disabled people have to earn their place; they have to show that they're *worthy* of help. Someone had to judge whether that individual *deserved* to have accommodations. And that's the point. That's what the right is all about: judgment. Charity that happens without judging whether the individual on the receiving end is worthy of that charity is just wrong to them. Does this poor person *deserve* heating during the winter? Well, maybe if they have some friends or something, or if they have a sufficiently tragic backstory that sparks my desire to help them. But they'd rather there be no charity at all than to have their charity money going to those they do not *personally and individually* deem worthy.

​@@GeneralBolasI feel like you gave words to something I already felt but didn't know how to articulate very well, thanks. As an engineer, I was quite confused about where the extra space to widen a hallway is coming from, plus there must have been some plumbing or structural walls SOMEWHERE along the route, & I gotta figure even if it's not that long distance, we're talking $10k minimum real quick, if it's even possible. Like, you can't just casually decide to shrink a classroom & move the wall in 3' without consequence. As an adult-diagnosed neurodivergant who was bullied a lot in school, I can tell for certain that teenage bullies don't just stop bullying & start fundraising like that. They might sometimes fake compliance while adults are watching, but they'll find a time where they can't see; then all the bullying comes back with interest.

classic liberal. always asking for sex.

Okay but what do you want to happen, that to magically be possible? If we had taxpayers pay for every single renovation and law for everything taxes would be insane

Brainpop was the best

I HAVENT HEARD THAT NAME IN AGES WHAT THE HECKKKKK

real

The multiverses are starting to blend together

Literally

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So true bestie

I like how Columbus justified it with “it’s better to be alive and a slave than dead.” Im sure a huge chunk of people would rather be dead than live in misery their whole life and finally die when their usefulness runs out.

@@snausages43 I audibly gasped when they said that. Can’t believe it’s real like it literally sounds like satire. And the fact that those videos are for CHILDREN!? so absurd

@@Slap_Pappy Literally me too! Unbelievable

​​@Kataifi We don't even have to guess at that. Plenty of enslaved people ended their own lives or the lives of their children instead of living in slavery. There were definitely those that believed death was better.

​@@snausages43 Slaves literally killed themselves instead of staying slaves.

But, the banner at the bottom of the screen said that they are facing “severe censorship.” How can this be?!

Yeah PragerU is actually extremely dangerous. According to one of their polls, half their audience is under 25. They could be fabricating the stats, but if that’s true, they’re making a deliberate effort to conservative Gen Z

To piggyback off this point, it shouldn’t be legal for this ghoulish propaganda organization to masquerade as an educational institution with the Prager”U”

I once found a lewd video under that category. And also a few fake news

KZfaq seems to think that anything animated can be labelled as "for kids"

To be fair, he probably would have done the same in real life.

@@walter7787 wasn’t it him who had sex with a lama then transmitted a new std to humans

the idea of a real life person's first reaction to ¨we don't do ... that anymore¨ being ¨HOW CAN YOU JUSDGRE MEIIUEA¨ is actually so ridiculous on the face of it. imagine someone coming from 500 years in the future to you and being like ¨oh, you eat meat / are a participant in capitalism? we don't do that anymore¨ and your first response is ¨congratulations bitch but how can you judge meeeeee¨ bla bla. how would that be your FIRST RESPONSE and not ¨wow! how!¨ or ¨wait, that was bad?¨ or whatever. AND WHY WOULD U BOTH HAVE HIM SAY ¨GREAT U GUYS DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE¨ AND ¨BUT I HAVE TO, IT'S THE OLDEN TIMES¨ LMAO. THAT'S THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS also, there are people currently growing up in environments where murdering or torturing people etc under certain conditions is semi-socially acceptable. usually under extremely conservative traditions. or doing things that really are fine but they'd probably consider immoral and degenerate. is dennis prager gonna apply the same logic to them? ¨no one ever taught them better¨? or is he gonna say there's some magical quality about time that absolves everything?

@@baintreachas out of all of the things you criticised it’s the shitty writing of children’s propaganda?

​@@theveganduolingobird7349 1) sure, man, i'm pretty clearly not saying ¨this video would be fine and dandy if only laila had a better character arc¨ or whatever. so yeah. bigjoel said some stuff. i don't have much to add. i'm saying a little thing. why am i on trial. why are u holding me at gun point rn. why is ur pfp the egg from shrek. why is the egg from shrek holding me hostage rn 2) i literally did criticize the nature of the propaganda itself... in the second paragraph? so? 3) the writing is bad in a way that is directly relevant to the propaganda. they're saying ¨how can u not see he was a product of his time¨ and then they write him as if he is a 2022 colonbus apologist and not 1500s actual colonbus. so that's uhhhh dumb and stupid and undermines their own point 4( this is an extension of the original comment why am i being ummmmmmmm bashed in the headd w a hammer rn

Literal Projection

@@OmegaCorsair the joke is on you that $500k statement you got paid from blueblood royalty.

@@robertgutierrez7453 What

I'm not even Christian but I'm pretty sure Jesus would not support their version of Christian beliefs. And they are historically infamous for denying science, such as man made climate change.

So do liberals. Two sides of the same coin

​@j r were all filth

@@jr2904 nope xd

​@@jr2904 I agree. We shouldn't even be taking sides when it comes to history or how it's interpreted. There shouldn't be a "liberal reading" or "conservative reading" - it should just be a reading. People are going to be mad when you say liberals twist history, though. The truth is anyone with political motives will shift history however they want. That said, when it comes to slavery, leftists are overwhelming in agreement that it was bad, while conservatives tend to ignore or downplay it. So, at least on the topic of slavery, it's safe to point the finger at PU and conservatives. What they're doing is trying to downplay slavery.

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I don't think biblical figures had a big goofy mic and held on to it so determinedly. Biblical figures probably did less drugs too. Although you could be talking about a different kind of biblical figure from the ones I'm envisioning.

​​@@serse8455 that's Joel Jebediah Jershemel 😂

@@Kyarrix "Biblical figures probably did less drugs too." I really wouldn´t be so sure about that

@@teutonicterror0365 You're right. It was more me snarking at the mic. I think it's kind of ridiculous looking. And the whole unkempt look. The over 30 person in me is saying take a shower, you don't have to look quite so wild-eyed in every video. I know, not kind.

To be fair neither the Jan 6 or BLM riots really achieved anything in the end anyways nor had a leader to rally behind that wasn’t an obvious grifter, so they kind of didn’t really do much in terms of what they wanted

@@guyferrari8124George Floyd’s murderer was found guilty after the protests, so we at least got that. Also what grifter are you implying was leading BLM?

@@Draghoul03 The organization “Black Lives Matter”. They imbezzled like a shit ton of the money they got and used the hype to line their pockets

@@guyferrari8124 It absolutely achieved something, even if it was nowhere near enough imo Also, this myth that BLM has a leader or group of leaders behind it needs to die. There is a distinct difference between the movement and the specific group that started it or lead it.

6:59 or 7:00 for anyone who needs a time stamp

This part fucking killed me lol I scrolled down to see if anyone else thought it was as funny as I did

the same logic by which dead authors were "only a product of their time" and simutaneously would "roll in their grave if you changed anything about their texts" whenever anyone discusses porblematic/bigoted ideas in their writing

Yes, this I found particularly uncanny I imagine the real Columbus wouldn't so much flinch, and instead respond say "well, what's wrong with it?", maybe explain what it's done for him.

The writers are definitely self inserting

@@elanorniennandilme3292 it is not the same logic. Of course they would roll in their graves if you change anything about their writings if they're products of their time. If they're products of their time; all they know is well, their present. If you tried to not only overindulge on what another persons work be, but say their rhetoric is completely wrong; they'll just scoff at you.

Columbus: "Behold, I am a good Liberal embracing situational ethics and diversity of thought, therefore any Liberal who doesn't like me or Prager is actually a Fascist." King Ferdinand: "Wanna bet, PragerUwU?"

Isn’t that also the case with big Joel though? If it wheren’t for the fact that he makes bank off of these videos he would be doing something else. All KZfaqrs are grifters no matter the lean

As a Nigerian, finally an African in an comment section. What types of guys did you see that made conservatism so bad for you? As someone who aligns more with conservatism I’d like to know.

Ted Bundy was successful in brutally murdering around 30 people, but he did not invent murder...

Yeah PragerU doesn't let facts stop them from pushing their propaganda.

In both cases, it is legitimately impressive how they managed to exceed the standards of thier time so unilaterally

Same as John A. McDonald. 😂

It’s amazing how many people are too squeamish too acknowledge that

My sympathies. Reading Columbus' own writing gives some mortifying insight into the thought-process of the Spanish colonists. The Tainos approached him in good faith hoping for cooperation and he immediately saw this peaceful approach as a weakness to be exploited. Not that later governors were any better.

lets face, columbus IS in hell, if you beleive in it of course.

Oh, didn't you hear? Racism is over! America had a black president so we have the all go to white wash history of all atrocity. If you're still experiencing hardship or poverty it must be because you're lazy... nothing to do with 500 years of repression! 🎉

Dead languages and cultures always make me feel so depressed. The richness of a language, the intricacies of every word, the complexity and beauty of it all completely lost to time. It really hurts.

That's history, baby. We can talk about history and how it may have caused the present, but in reality, that was the way of the world. Nobody had any ill intent against specific peoples in most cases, everyone who wasn't the wealthy invasive countries got the short end of the stick. Do we cry about the Mongols and the terrors they caused on the world? 'Course not, because they weren't white dudes so nobody gives a fuck. It wasn't because they were racists, or they hated your people, it's because they were there when someone else wanted their stuff. Sucks, but we let billionaires and corporations do it all the time nowadays, so why don't we decry Nestle taking water from Flint, Michigan for decades? Why don't we decry the companies in Amerikkka using child labour? No, it's much easier to cry about history and things that we can't change, because it actually takes effort to change things in reality.

Even for slaves who didn’t die, it completely ignores the idea of quality of life

Ah yes make someone’s life a living hell that’s better than death !!

Exactly, that's why in most wars instead of being killed POWs would be sent to war camps

Why do modern conservatives even choose this battle? Why do they care to defend some horrible people from hundreds of years ago? I know they're all stupid tools of rich people, but damn, it's a really sad use of of their lives and the gifts our brains are on something so unnecessary and immoral

@@yobob591yeah it feels oddly nihilistic

Is this like a racist version of "he's literally me" ? XD

i hate that this is not even far to what 10 year olds and younger would actually say lmao

This has 'Tall Girl' vibes. "You think your life is hard?"

“Mass genocide is my hyperfixation”-hitler

the depravity of this content intended for children is absolutely sinister.

"Objective moral values" my ass. Fascists have an excuse for everything they do, no matter how vile it is.

"It's ok to enslaved people because at least you didn't kill them." This is being said by people who think a 2nd American Civil War is necessary because a beer company released a pro-LGBT can design.

And even at it’s core, the “it was okay for the time” defense is not true, columbus was judged at the time, known as a complete monster who was literally arrested for his treatment of native Americans and general cruelty. Even back then Columbus was seen as crazy, especially since his cruelty extended to Spanish people also, with him cutting the tongue of a woman off or literally crucifying a boy.

@@tahamohammad8842 some of his literal slaving compatriots even stepped back and went "ok fuck we're the baddies, holy shit we're monsters" and then spent the rest of their lives trying to atone it was not impossible to think "hey slavery is like really wrong"

More like the 189os " Domestic Angels"

Those were far more accepting than whatever this prageru shit is

@@emptycinema So we basically just evolved backwards?

@@Grag235THEY evolved backwards, not us.

nah, those old social etiquette films were actually alright. you can find a bunch on youtube, and the main focus of the videos are “caring properly for yourself and having body confidence is the biggest factor of what makes you beautiful”, nothing like this bs

wow i can't believe i'm taller than little joel

I cant believe even little joel is taller than me :(

Agreed. We should destroy him for such deception!

How did you count how many feet the Joels' have?

​@@PolyChromiumyou can count the hairs on the joel head, it rounds up the same as feet.

They do. The problem is people trying to justify it

“i’m so glad slavery ends eventually :) but i’m still gna be slaveholder now you can’t stop me!0

I am so happy slavery ended. Now let me get rich of slavery so my descendants can live a life of privilege.

Same!

Right? Not only is it comlpletely ahistorical, but it goes against the argument they JUST made. Why would he be happy about slavery ending unless he knows it's bad? And if he knows it's bad then the logic of judging him based on "the culture of his time" or whatever goes out the window.

The man practically invented slavery

- saul goodman

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if they're for or against.

“Lilo and Lela visit hitler!”💀

@@Greyareas27oh they are for

How about because it’s better for the world?

@@night6724 explain your reasoning. I don’t want kids. I’m a professional member of society. I pay my taxes. Why is that somehow less valid than having a child. I even love kids. I just know I personally would be a terrible parent. How would me being forced to have a child be better for the world. My mum thought like you. She was 16 when she had me, and she was so wholly unprepared, I’ve had to spend years in therapy as a result. How is that better for the world? Was certainly shocking for me.

@@night6724 you seem to be forgetting infanticide used to just be part of life, some people throughout all of history didn’t want to have children. It just used to be a case of literally leaving the child in the streets or worse the literal dump. The way we do things now is by far the most ethical it has been at ANY point in history.

@@pandoradixon377 so it’s better you never existed than to have a bad childhood? You’re attacking a strawman I never said everyone needs to have kids. I never said you need to have kids. The problem is the culture of glorifying childlessness or making parenthood and pregnancy equivalent to slavery which I have seen people say. I will be blunt. If a person doesn’t want kids i don’t think they should perpetuate their bloodline

@@night6724 then we literally agreee that people choosing not to have kids for themselves, is better for the world. You should’ve just said that 🤷‍♀️

I would like to believe that most conservatives believe in empathy. I think a lot of the time, people just don’t like the beating over the head of slavery being bad. Dont get me wrong, it definitely is, but a lot of people take it as a personal attack, being of european descent themselves.

@@walter7787 I'm taking world civilization this semester, and learning about the slave trade in Africa. I'm a black American. African descent, if you will. Somehow, I decided not to feel personally attacked.

​​​​​​​​​@@walter7787 Thinking that attacking slavery is an attack on people for having european descent is genuinely racist towards europeans. That's the sort of thinking you would hear from a black supremacist who thinks all white people have demon blood or something.

@@walter7787 I think one factor could be the uncertainty of whether or not their own family had any slavers in it. And I'm not just talking about slave owners, but also the working-class people involved in the slave trade as well. Not everyone knows their full family tree. It's certainly something I have wondered about at times.

@@pyrytuominen573 the calls coming from inside the house.

By the way, Columbus was so fucked even for his time that he was despised by people around him. He was actually put in prison near the end of his life and was a major dick to people. So even outside of slavery and what was considered "normal" at the time, Columbus was extremely monstrous and dickish even by that era's standards.

And sleeping with 9 year olds and then selling them for gold and silver

Surely you aren’t trying to judge him by modern standards. Have Leo and Layla taught you nothing!? We have to accept everything he did as a quirky part of his culture

@@rjai5003he was just a quarked up white boy and he only wanted a lil bit of swag

​@@patrickmcelrath4962busting down the indigenous sexual style, goated with the sauce 🤪

"I want milk I want mommy"

"I'm Ben Show, this is the Ben Show show"

”The baby fucking dies”

[nelward - Ghost]

I too enjoy the videos of Unusually Lanky Simpsons Character

Right?? None of the usual things women VAs do when playing young boys at all

LMAOO that’s what I was thinking

The half assed voice acting for MLK and Columbus is wild too

@@hairymcnipples it’s like they just hired the nearest 20-something conservatives who would be willing to accept 50 bucks for a VA job

@@hairymcnipples i wouldn’t give it my all if i was paid to produce slavery apologia either

Ridiculous...

Oh God. Why can't they just stick to brain pop and kahoot?