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"we wanted to make a doc about how easy it is to join womens basketball as a man but we couldnt do it because it wasnt easy at all" WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THEN

"Your gender is: 'Get a job!' " is the most singularly distilled line of boomer comedy I have ever heard

I'm fascinated by the skit about the conservative teacher. When he says the line "You have objectively weak parents..." and it cuts to the woke SJW looking shocked, I was expecting him to finish the line by going "But I can help" or "but that doesn't mean you have to be weak" and he'd then inspire the kid to be a cool strong traditional American or whatever. But no, he just goes "You're also weak and I hate you" and it made me realize, he doesn't want to "correct" the kid or take them under his wing and show them how to be a "strong" person or whatever, it's just time to shit on the kid. He doesn't want to improve lives or help kids like a teacher might, he basically is just there to roast all of the students and make them sad. That's all he wants, that's all his audience wants, they just want to bully those nasty woke liberals

idk about you, but itts kind of gross how the writers made a little girl act out a line where she describes that essentially men are better than women at most things

Roseanne Barr just yelling "Stalinism" and "Communism" reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Lois Griffin is running for office and just says "9/11" to get cheers lol

I remember Shapiro saying that the whole inspiration behind producing movies was to remove politics from them. As predicted, "removing politics" just meant "inserting politics we like and being about as subtle as a sledgehammer". They WANT to be what they think Hollywood is.

Amazing that Doug Walker spent the entire Wall review calling Roger Waters whiny for making a concept album/film partly about the physical and emotional abuse he suffered at the hands of his teachers during his childhood when he has complained extensively and earnestly about how awful it was for people to make fun of him as a kid for sharing a first name with a popular children's cartoon character.

"I hated lockdown because I had to spend time with my spouse/family" is peak sad boomer humour

I feel bad for the little girl who had to learn pages of dialogue about how she's inferior to boys

neurodivergent lesbian snow white sounds pretty hype tbh

I feel like no one talks about how JP went from making fun of conspiracy theorists to BEING a full on conspiracy theorist, and his conservatives viewers didn't bat an eye.

I love that Paul Saladino eats only raw animal organs and yet his last name is mostly salad

For fucks sake, the 'joke' about the sea levels rising would be so easy to do as an actual joke. "I moved to California and went straight to the sea and the levels were LITERALLY rising before my eyes! Halfway through the day they went back down again but THEN came right back up that very evening!" Yeah you could word that better but 'person who believes in climate change confuses the tide with sea levels rising' at least has an actual joke in there somewhere.

The "nostalgia critic erotica" in the search history was a rly funny touch. I dont know why but search history jokes always get me

bro wanted to prove how easy it was to join the women's basketball league but couldn't, reminds me of that one always sunny episode where dennis is trying to prove how easy it is to buy guns but he's acting like a lunatic so no one would sell it to him

That punching scene in Lady Ballers pulls away the curtain so cleanly. Finally a character attempts a sincere conversation, an intimate moment with a person coming out to a friend. Only to be met with stone-faced contempt, disgust, and immediate violence. Alex is not refuted by words or even laughter, no, only naked violence suffices to disprove her silly claim to womanhood. All the jokes, all the lampooning and terrible satire, everything suddenly makes sense. Ugly, cruel, violent, a cathartic moment in a conservative fantasy. Congrats to Gary’s actor in that scene, it's the only one where he feels authentic. Actually made me sick to my stomach.

"your gender is get a job" and "father I cannot click the book" are the two most boomer statements

All conservative comedy does this thing where they start with a premise and then just get mad and forget to do a punchline

i think it's relevent that a lot of the 'humor' in conservative media is coming from a place of power. Its punching down or bullying. A lot of the jokes i see conservatives make is treating people who are different from them as the punchline. Theyre not laughing about something funny or relatable. They're laughing at the person. Trans people are 'funny' because being trans in itself is considered absurd. There's just this inherent bad faith in these jokes, because the comedian doesnt really understand the culture or people they're pointing and laughing at. Their jokes are based on stereotypes and generalizations of people, not actual reality. Like with lady balls, the jokes arent based on real trans people, the jokes arent about situations or absurdities trans people deal with. Its based around the conservative idea of trans people. Theyre mocking what they think trans people are because what theyre imagining is absurd. Its out of touch with reality and thats why its so bad. If a comedian is making an arguement with their jokes, if they're trying to point out the absurdity of a situation, it should relate back to a truth. Truth is what resonates with people. Bigots treat their ideas of minorities as reality and that's why the jokes only land with other bigots. Its not funny, because it doesn't make sense. A good example is disabled humor. I'm disabled, almost every disabled person i know has a sense of humor about their situation, even if the jokes can get dark. Disabled people joking with other disabled people about their disabilities is funny, but pretty often we'll have able-bodied people getting offended on our behalf. Because they dont understand what its like to be disabled. from what they imagine, it isn't funny. They don't have access to the truth at the heart of the jokes, so the jokes don't land for them. But then an abled person will makes jokes about disabled people, and they clearly don't know the reality of being disabled. Theyre going off how they imagine being disabled is. And the jokes will land better with fellow able-bodied people, because they share the perspective of the comedian. There will still be people offended on our behalf. But the reasons we disabled people would be offended is that the jokes misrepresent our reality. It's the difference between laughing with us and laughing at us. The joke isn't funny to us, because we're not who the joke is for, despite being who the joke is about. Thats why so much conservative humor reads as mean-spirited to me. The jokes are at the expense of others without critical thought about who they're laughing at. They're arguing for a reality that isn't true. And thats not really something that we can argue back to. Facts and reason and different perspectives don't land with people who refuse to engage with them. When someone calls you a freak, objectivity isn't going to convince them you're normal.

That first guy sounds like he just realized conservatives are way more lucrative to appeal to and he got lost in the sauce

"I was a weird chubby dweeb" Shows three pictures of himself looking exactly the same

My favorite conservative "joke" about trans people is the claim that "we can always tell". Meaning "we can always tell when someone is transgender". At my most recent physical, my doctor's nurse asked me if I wanted my doctor to do my pap smear or wait for my gynecologist to do it. I said that I was a trans woman so I didn't need that, to which she said "OH! Sorry it says on your chart I should have looked". I said it was fine. She then walked out of the room and closed the door, and I could hear her say to another nurse "Well, that was embarrassing." I was also asked by another nurse when my last period was in the pre-op room. For my vaginoplasty. So if conservatives think that the "we can always tell" joke is funny, I fail to see the actual joke, since the claim is flat out not true.

The "irony" for LadyBallers is now that it's released, the WNBA is taking off thanks to Caitlin Clark

Sorry but the Rosanne joke "Mom, what is my gender?" "Your gender is, get a job, that's your gender." got a full belly laugh out of me for the sheer ridiculousness of it. It's genuinely like a parody of what someone her age would say, it's incredible.

Ben Shapiro's idea about making Ladyballers a documentary, but not being able to do it because it's very premise just doesn't exist is endlessly funny. Instead of making up a guy to get mad at, he made up an entire reality.

I think I just had an epiphany about conservative humor. The jokes aren't actually IN the act or the film. The jokes are in the mind of the conservative viewers as they imagine the responses of triggered liberals.

Why is the 8 year old the best actor in ladyballers

'you make jokes that would have ted cruz dying from laughter' is about the meanest thing you could say to a comedian. Great job

That child actress in lady ballers has way better comedic timing than any of the grown ass professionals around her. Like that list of things boys are better at is a dumb joke but she actually delivered it with the correct cadence for the joke to work which is more than you can say for anyone else

I freaking hate how seriously Ricky Gervais takes himself.

Ricky Gervais priding himself as an ultimate free speech advocate and then saying "you can't say that :'(" to someone calling anybody unfunny is the funniest thing he's ever said.

the most telling thing is ben shapiro's slip saying "they dont allow ACTUAL men to join a womens basket ball league" which shows that, at least in some capacity, he does think that trans women aren't men. there's got to be some small part of him that knows that he's been lying and talking out of his ass the entire time

Conservative comedy isn't just conservative politically. It's conservative in the sense that they keep reusing the same few jokes and never move past them or get creative.

Ricky Gervais shouldn't say "that was irony" he should say "i think that was irony, allegedly" because it's just his opinion

I feel bad that they made a little girl say that men are better at everything. It is so fucking sad and very bad parenting

That whole Rosanne Barr section was just a little bit haunting honestly. It has me wondering what mistakes I'll make when I get older, who I might end up hurting or failing out of a lack of understanding.

you know, for not caring about the environment, these conservatives sure do recycle their jokes a lot edit: since this comment doesn't deserve to be top comment here, i'll just add something of mild value. at 1:26:22, the joke COULD have worked in another movie and with better timing, as a commentary about how no one watches women's sports. the way they made it is "women's sports bad because women bad at sports", because if they went with the obvious joke i described, they would have to confront the fact that maybe people are sexist and that would squander their point, because they will only ever care about women's sports as a vessel for transphobia.

"Taking a moment of silence for all the workers exploited by capitalism" based teacher tbh

the bug-eating thing is a rare occasion when a conservative buzzword got copy-pasted from Europe to US, not the other way around. A while ago (around 1-1,5 years ago I think), there was this European directive that allowed selling flour made of bugs (more or less, I'm not an expert), which, of course, European conservatives started spinning as "EU IS GOING TO FORCE US ALL TO EAT BUGS". Kinda funny that it got transplanted to US without any context

this is truly scary. in 10-15 years Big Joel will stand at the rooftops, shouting how gay mickey is actually quite dangerous and disney shouldn't have made gay mickey. Something for us all to be wary of.

I don't want people saying "that food is flavorful," I want them saying "I found that food to be flavorful"

What is the problem with 15 minute cities? No one says you can't travel we just want to make things beautiful, clean and convenient

insane to me that ricky gervais says shit like "don't say that joke was offensive say you found it offensive" like i thought policing language like that was for sensitive snowflakes? how does he not hear that?

Saying “I’m gay” over and over again is still infinitely funnier than yet another alleged comedian crying about how there are too many genders.

"We are being censored and silenced because everyone is a snowflake!" says the conservative comedian in a sold out venue for his 5th Netflix special.

The irony of Doug mocking the wall for comparing English education at the time to WW2 while comparing him getting cancelled on twitter to literal actual genocide and race clensing is fucking wild to me. Its hypocrisy on a different level. What were they thinking?

That punch scene from Lady Ballers really guts me. It's so cruel and mean-spirited.

i have spent quite a lot of time around people who are the new agey/energy crowd, and the reason why the dude went from new age spiritualist to hardcore conservative is because new age spiritualists are often way WAY more conservative than you'd expect. being anti-vax, anti-feminist, 'anti-woke' is super common in that culture.

Crazy thing is, notice how conservative comedians tend to resent when you call them conservatives

I think the most hilarious thing about conservative comedy, aside from Graham Linehan having trouble getting a job anymore, is that the Ricky Gervais Subreddit hates him.

I'm autistic, I actually find a lot of American comedy really difficult to watch because so much of it IS about mocking the socially incompetent. I'm also Australian, and like, the rampant tall poppy syndrome isn't great but at least it means that a lot of the cultural comedic emphasis is making fun of yourself and yours, instead of using comedy to mark yourself as better than the freaks.

"when i left California i realized there was a lot of propaganda".... Proceeds to push conservative propaganda unironically.

The funny part about Lady Ballers is that a lot of their transphobic jokes just rounds around to just being sexist against cis women lmao

it’s actually so upsetting that we live in a world where “jeremy boring and the daily wire” is the name of a group of shitty unfunny transphobes and not the name of the worlds greatest indie math rock trio

Gervais's bit about not wanting people to say, "That's offensive," is so stupid. Saying, "I found that offensive," is no different than saying, "That offended me." If it offends someone (even one person), it has caused offense, which means that it is offensive. He's just talking in circles to make a point that isn't there, so that he can feel smart. But it's not smart. It's very, very stupid.

Roseanne screaming “We ruined our children’s lives!” to a silent crowd is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen, but I don’t think in the way she intended it.

Damn, Roseanne did not give a damn if you laughed. Those bits felt like she was just venting out her grievances and if you laugh, whoopee good for you, now shut up and keep listening to me tell you how the world is shit.

As a gay kid I was always painfully aware that Southpark (and others) were making people like me the butt of the joke. Yet my friends would continually push this comedy and tell me how funny they thought it was, ask me why I didn't find it as funny as them. The answer was simple, they were laughing at my expense. But in my childhood and adolescence it did not feel safe to express that. As an adult it made me perhaps more distanced from society, I don't want to participate in the group that produces this and that laughs at my expense and makes people like me feel unsafe.

This was the most earnest: conservatives, are you ok? I've ever witnessed

The scene with the daughter "wanting to be a man" is particularly funny in a... deeply disturbing way. Like my thought was "oh, they'll like have some ham-fisted 'women are good at some things and men are good at some things' moral message" but instead... like they just say men actually ARE better than women. Like, shit, in the world they present why wouldn't you want to be a man?

It's such a gift to be told Lady Ballers was supposed to be a documentary, but was stymied by the fact the entire point of the satire doesn't reflect reality. And then they went ahead and tried to make the satire anyway. I had no idea of this hilarious and telling fact. Thank you Huge Joel.

The little girl listing off all the things boys are supposedly better at wouldn't really make sense even if she wasn't so progressive. The misogyny is clearly supposed to be funny to the viewer, it's supposed to be something for conservatives to nod along to because it already fits into their belief system. So from the perspective of a little girl who's interested in sports, cars and STEM, why WOULDN'T she want to be a boy? This scene is effectively sending the message that the misogynistic conservative world view the main character holds sees girls and women as inferior and makes them want to be trans because being a woman just sucks. It unintentionally points out the inherent hypocrisy of conservative beliefs. In the progressive world view that the little girl is supposed to represent, trans people aren't trans because being a woman is somehow worse and she could confidently pursue her interests despite being a girl. But I guess that would make it too obvious that progressive views are actually good for people and lead to better outcomes. They had to make her seem like her progressive views were hurting her somehow. So they chose this either hoping the viewers wouldn't pick up on the incongruity or because the writers themselves don't understand how illogical that scene is.

"You have to figure out why they're in on this strange grift." That was my exact question to SO MANY people during the pandemic. Especially the whole "me no wear mask cuz they trying to control me but me no sheep me have rights". Bwa...what do *they* have to gain from you wearing a mask? How does that control you? What rights? Wtf are you talking about???

Conservative comedy is like Christian rock. Christians can make good rock, but the moment you turn it into a defined genre chasing a Christian audience the message becomes more important than the medium and the music usually sucks. To bring it back to King of the Hill, lets paraphrase Hank: "You're not making conservatism better, you're just making comedy worse".

My understanding of conservative comedy has always been that they don't need to tell a joke, because as far as they know, the joke is just the existence of things they don't like. They can just say "oh how about TRANS PEOPLE, AM I RIGHT?" and get a big laugh from their audience because trans people existing is the joke to them. There's no need to muddle the issue by adding in any level of creativity, they just point at people they find inherently humorous and laugh at them.

I THINK ITS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT ROSANNE DIED ON HER OWN SHOW FROM OPIATE OVERDOSE

24:07 As someone who has lived on Maui my entire life, who grew up in Lahaina, knowing that my *childhood home* was one of the properties claimed by the blaze... it is fucking despicable that he, and people like him, are using what happened here as a weapon in their petty culture war, likely to completely forget we're even a state until he goes on vacation here, like most mainlanders. I remember being 4 years old, accidentally setting off our dad's car alarm with my brother, parked next to the harbor where people drowned running from the fire, and where a diesel fuel tank exploded because of the heat. I remember going to the park using the same road that was obstructed by severed power lines, preventing residents from fleeing by car. Spinning this stupid convoluted web about the malicious use of a space laser so they could build on top of historic Lahaina Town's remains distracts from what *should* be talked about: that the local government knew the Lahaina area was at high wildfire risk, *YEARS IN ADVANCE,* and took no measures to prevent it for budgetary concerns. That the Maui Fire Department essentially pulled the "we have found ourselves guilty of no wrongdoing after a thorough investigation of ourselves" card, despite claiming the fire was under control mere hours before it spread to the neighborhoods. That some "entrepreneurs" are taking advantage of the sudden scarcity of real estate by offering spare rooms for rent at inflated price tags, and that fundraising fraud was on everyone's lips in the months following. What a fucking disgrace.

The part where the girl was saying how all the boys are better is funny because it exposes the contradictions in conservative ideology. The conservative father doesn't want his daughter to be a boy, but then the daughter explains she wants to be a boy because of conservative beliefs about women.

Besides the fact that Doug tried to compare naziism to "cancel culture", the shittiest part about that stupid The Wall parody is that Roger Waters, the writer of the original album, lost his father to WW2. Did the guy even know The Wall was originally an album? He even calls one of the songs "oscar bait" 🙄 EDIT: Also worth noting, Doug mocks Waters in the "review" because a part of The Wall is about the bullying he went through at school, both from students and teachers, saying he should "grow a pair." Keep in mind, school in the '50s and '60s were sure as hell not like they were in the '80s and '90s.

"Bad in a deeply fascinating way" is the most hardcore insult I've ever heard

I think that the conservative crowd think they are way more edgy and "triggering" than any of their targets actually find them to be. In my experience, the most triggering experiences are unexpected and/or forced upon you in some way. But since everybody knows what they're about (they literally declare that their goal is to trigger people), and most of their intended targets don't watch their stuff because we know what it's about, it's not surprising or shocking. It mostly comes off like listening to a 1st grader tell you the one joke they know for the 748th time.

The part about Lady Ballers where the core conceit of the movie revolves around an apparent belief by the makers that trans people both don't really exist but also have taken over every aspect of society reminds me of Eco writing about how fascists tend to center their ideology on a belief that all of their enemies are weak, effete, fragile degenerates who instantly crumble to dust the moment they encounter the slightest bit of resistance but also simultaneously have a powerful iron-clad control over all of media, culture, finance, and politics.

A friend I grew up with got into reiki, angels, energy, crystals. Nothing wrong with that. Hell, in my teenage years I'd mess with that stuff. But suddenly, during COVID she started with mild conspiracy theories surrounding the pandemic. About mid summer, I posted something on FB in support of George Floyd. She attacked me and called me a "baby killer", alluding to me being pro-choice. Which I am, but not sure what that had to do with George Floyd. 30 years of friendship and I'm just scratching my head.

plot twist, JP isn't actually a conservative it's just the longest parody he's ever made.

conservative comedy "making up a fake person to be angry about"

One of the most infuriatingly ironic things about NC's review of The Wall is how he chides the movie for having childishly obvious metaphors, but then goes on to completely misinterpret what those metaphors meant

It really feels like Lady Ballers wanted to have the "Some people are actually trans but we still shouldn't let them play sports" arc with the Alex character but they knew that their audience wouldn't go for that slightly more reasonable position so they just cut that arc short with a literal punch to the balls. "Nobody is actually Trans they are faking it or they just to listen to Jordan Peterson more" has to be the moral of the story because the modern right won't accept anything less.

Shoutout to the conservative who knows what pegging is

"Most women's leagues don't allow in... 'actual men'" is, uh, that's pretty telling there, Ben.

The worst thing about conservative 'comedy' is how heavy handed it is. The 'jokes' are always over-explained, hamfisted trash, obvious and spelled out to 'trigger the libs' who aren't even watching such trash to begin with. Big Joel remembers Lady Ballers so we don't have to.

King Of The Hill is an excellent example of what conservative comedy could be. Hank is an old fashioned man in a fast changing world (the starting premise of every conservative sitcom ever) and each episode his conservative beliefs will be tested. Often times he will be proven wrong and have to change a little bit. But almost as often, he will be proven right. And the show always respects who he is and what he believes in, while putting extremist right wing ideology firmly in its place. But somewhere in the last 20 years conservative ideology swung so far right it stopped being funny anymore.

Sorry........ did the "men are better at everything" girl from Lady Ballers say that men are better at *checks notes* ROCK AND ROLL??? Uhhhhhh, why are more people not talking about this? As a lifelong rock guy, I am LITERALLY TRIGGERED over how flagrantly wrong that statement is.

the roseanne bit actually did make me a bit sad.... really feels like an older aunt who reached her sixties and started to kind of lose it. i wouldnt call it a mid life crisis so much as getting to an age where life starts to stop making sense and the things that you believed in the past stop being so easy to accept. it feels like a more normal conservative older woman who got tricked and led down the path of radical conservatism, especially the way she seems to truly believe these things and feel bad about them. it especially got me the part where she wanted to have a teachable moment, to be proven wrong... she was showing off that like "old timey manners" all those baby boomers always talked about but never actually exhibited. idk. leaves me sad and contemplative.

Fun fact... i was homeschooled my whole life, conservative religious household, and didnt get access to the internet until i was 15..... and guess what... figured out that im gay.... almost as if you cant teach kids to be gay...

That scene at the end of the lady ballers movie is kinda genuinely heartbreaking. It's one thing when conservatives say we're only transitioning to have an excuse to "invade women's spaces" or make tired attack helicopter jokes. It's still awful, but it's easy to ignore since they're just wilfully misunderstanding. But that scene, it's a conservative saying they actually do understand. They hear what trans people say, that the entire point is just to feel happier in our own skins, that transitioning is a sincere expression of our authentic selves, not a lie or a trick for some nefarious purpose. And they still respond with violence. The cruelty really is the point, huh.

It's increasingly funny looking back on Team America because it shows liberals teaming up with North Korea, as a joke... And then Donald Trump as a president was like "Oh yeah, Kim Jong, dictator? Great guy."

“what if conservatives ran the schools?” as someone from oklahoma, i can guarantee that they are

The most annoying thing about Lady Ballers is that any college women’s basketball team would smoke them. None of those guys look in particularly good shape and like half of them are well under 6 foot.

Honestly someone just saying “I’m gay” over a classic piece of animation is funnier than anything modern conservatives can come up with. Modern conservative comedy is just saying that everything is fine the way it is and those that disagree are bad and then they say a slur I guess.

JP Sears sounds like a store name

I really do think my biggest problem with conservative humor is that it is repetitive and just...not funny. They just...state their beliefs with dynamic inflections and think that's enough. Like come on...at least be a little bit creative when you're trying to demean my existence

I think Rosanne encapsulates how the pandemic broke some people. Turning off all your distractions like going out to work, dinner, movies, etc and instead being forced to make your own fun. Depending on how old you were in 2020, your entire view of the world has been revealed as a facade. You can see her trying to reason with how she got there and eventually turns it into a joke to force some laughter. Reminds me of my cousin who went off the deep end the first two weeks of the pandemic because he got laid off and now had a bunch of time to fill. Your entire life is now up in the air and people are saying to just suck it up. Hard pill to swallow. If we had better safety nets, I'm sure the pandemic wouldn't have been so contentious.

Barr faltering when she says "they killed my ch- (character?), they killed her. They killed Rosanne." It was clearly a moment of hurt for her, with the sitcom character being valued enough to warrant a "her" and saying she was "killed" like she was a real person to her. It's a genuine emotional moment and it comes with so much defeat and loss, but the rest of the program is just anger and vitriol. Maybe she wanted to learn, maybe she wanted to do better, but clearly not enough to actually fix things. Instead she now spreads her feelings of being bitter and sad. And I feel like so many of them were close to a breakthrough but then fell into the wrong cycle. (Ironically, like the person in Ladyballers who might be trans and has an option of a personal breakthrough, but then ends up in the "care" of Peterson, who will probably not make things better.) It would be sad if these people weren't so adamant about it being "funny".

To be fair to Ricky Gervais, he has a vested interest in people not being able to say he's not funny.

I like how when Ricky is complaining about trans women he just gestures at absolutely nothing, it’s poetic

It's kind of heartbreaking seeing Roseanne up on that stage, ranting about nothing at all as she tried to justify and understand her suffering while hundreds watch in silence. She's not there to tell jokes, she's there out of desperation and isolation, someone used to the spotlight having it taken from her with nowhere to go. No one to blame, because if she lets herself come out of this bubble, she'd have to look back on herself and her own mistakes and take accountability. And then you have all the countless grifters who stand idly by and let this happen. They watch as this woman's mental state degrades, her sentences slur, her words making less and less sense, and just letting it happen so she can make them money. The modern conservative movement is a parasite. It latches onto the unwell, the disillusioned, the ignorant, and sucks all the life and joy from them until they're a babbling husk.

“I’m a- uh- I’m a- uh. IM GAY GET OUT OF HERE” “Okay sir I’ll go… fuck off then” Cinematic masterpiece

“We all led a moment of silence for the workers exploited under the capitalist system” - And why is this bad exactly? Who are the people mad about this stuff, business owners? The rich? Most people are workers…

Being conservative is largely about protecting convenience. Whatever is convenient in your life, whether it be literal or abstract, you should defend that, even if it means you don't know what you're doing or know what you're talking about. It doesn't matter if you succeed or if you lost everything, you defended yourself, and that is something that can't be taken away. Except those damn liberals are trying to take that away, just like they took my job!