I actually have MORE unused stuff that I never uploaded (due to severe burnout) 😔 also hi 👋

I really wish Will Seeds showed flashbacks. That sounds like an amazing feature that would have added so much depth to the villains.

Let's be real the only reason "persona users can't have palaces" is just to try and explain away why akechi doesn't have a palace when he really should've had one with how distorted he was

Personally, I would've loved having everyone be defensive when confronted about living under Maruki's reality. It would've hit so much harder

The thieves being abrasive about leaving Maruki's world makes their apologies more understandable. I feel like they fit better.

I honestly would've liked if they kept the "Don't erase Mementos" bad ending. It makes sense that the Phantom Thieves would consider if losing the ability to change hearts forever is worth gambling or not.

Futaba doing persona callouts with position hack would go really hard NGL

I always wondered how Akechi's palace would've been. I think it would've been a Gotham-City like crime-ridden area that could've represented all of Japan to him where he is the superhero. He already is seemingly a distorted version of Batman. A weathly playboy detective/celebrity by day whose ideology and trama makes him a black masked vigilante by night (not to mention having a rival who is the embodiment of chaos that's named "Joker"). But the Batman parallels go further. He wants to seek vengeance and punishment against all those who've wronged him or even stand in his way. And it's never enough to do actual do anything nobel, all that matters is the acknowledgment of others, hence a superhero. But his final parallel to Bataman is the lack of parental guidance. While Bruce Wayne quite literally lost his parents and that it made him lost through life, Akechi did metaphorically. Shido impregnated his prostitute mother, and she seldom looked after him as she was busy with her work being impoverished. Combine that with Japan's Kousake system, in which not having a nuclear family immediately makes someone a lost outcast, he would go down a similar but even more toxic path than Bruce Wayne.

If you were punished for ignoring Yusuke every time he hit you up, you would never be able to go outside again

The whole “Akechi may have had ice skills” bit is interesting, given that traditionally Loki is an ice based Persona/Demon.

The fact that they never even planned for a Showtime between Joker and Ryuji is such a tragedy…

As a computer geek, it's always fascinating to see what's hidden on the disc of my favorite games after sifting through all the code and I'm glad P5 is no exception to this trend. I'm not surprised P5 has so much unused content given how long it spent baking in the oven. 53:17. GOD LORD ALMIGHTY!!! What on earth were they thinking when they wrote and recorded those lines. Wow we were really robbed with those scenes of the PTs just chilling. Would have been nice to show them as regular teens hanging out together.

The lockpicking minigame is super interesting because Judgment (a spin-off of Yakuza/LikeADragon, also owned by SEGA) ended up using a mechanic like that.

Real world stealth mechanics, at least the idea of being caught by Kamoshida, has some pretty terrifying implications if you weren’t allowed out of school until evening. Unless they explain it away as a detention, it seems to imply that Joker himself could also become a victim of Kamoshida’s abuse.

23:45 I genuinely expected every party member aside from Akechi & Sumire to have a personal Mementos build into their Confidants. Yusuke & Haru both didn't necessarily need it, Ryuji, Ann, and ESPECIALLY Makoto needed it

11:03 This makes me wonder if the unused real-world stealth section is what inspired Zenkichi's brief stealth segment in Strikers. Just... awkwardly and hurriedly scuttling from cover point to cover point. 11:38 ...and on the note of ideas that made it into Strikers, the unused Palace Ruler flashbacks could have been an inspiration for Striker's Trauma Cell scenes.

Everyone but Akechi when ignored: Visually worried, saddened, or angered Akechi: Looks like he's ready to get down to the killing business

I could see Akechi's solo showtime attack being Robin Hood + Loki

I wonder if design ideas for Akechi's palace ended up making it in his Showtime Attack with Joker. Maybe not, but it'd be cool.

Sandman was probably gonna be a low level persona like in p4, but they realized he would fit really well in futaba's palace and upped his level just for that

Funny thing, I think Mona's "squinting" portrait is technically in the game. In those cut-ins for cutscenes, Mona has one that shows his squinting eyes on occasion. And it might interest you to know that "Papillon" is French for "Butterfly". And I wish they kept the PT's complimenting each other, as well as them casually hanging out. It would have made them feel like actual friends, rather than just people working together. The Investigation Team had that and they really feel like close friends. It also helps that when a character is knocked down, one of the others may help them to their feet.

Sae being present in the harem endings implies she would be a part of that harem... Which just... Can you imagine the dinner conversations at the Nijima residence?

One of my favorite little unused things is the portrait for Haru's fiance, but before the rendering effects used on all the portraits. It's a neat look behind the glass.

The run animations you mentioned are used more than just the start of the game with Ryuji, theyre very small and brief but Ryuji has multiple. Running with you in school, running with you to that new locale when gaining info on kaneshiro. Yusuke follows you around for a very short part, also Makoto when you first enter Kaneshiros palace. Also, they're used in the thieves den.

man, i wish we got to customization jokers room, and im glad they got rid of that doubt confidant, that would been a pain to play with it

I’m guessing that the anime cutscene was cut to make the transition into the third semester more subtle and “somethings wrong I can feel it”-esque

I honestly like the cut version of Akechi's third awakening much more than what was in the final game. It makes him a little more tolerable since he actually shows gratitude without being a prick.

I used a Persona 5 Dialogue Generator you can find by google searching to recreate the unused lines. The portraits you see here aren't what would've been used in the game, just what I found most fitting or funny. The actual text from these lines is unused content from TCRF.

I don't know if I missed it, but along the implication that Joker's ultimate Persona originally having been intended to be Lucifer (which would also explain why Satanael is such a dead ringer to the original design) there is also the fact that the textures for Yaldabaoth read Metaron, suggestion that the final boss was originally supposed to be our mechanical angel, which would also explain why Metatron didn't appear in the final dungeon alongside the other Archangels.

You deserve massive props. This one took a while but the wait was worth it.

The mouse Akechi voice clips did in fact murder me

I think the limo in Sumire’s true past might’ve been a connection of Shido, putting her and Ren in the same spot? Maybe Kasumi was originally planned to be hit by Shido and his entourage?

32:33 For the Angel statues, my guess is they were likely sculptures that shot out security lasers from their eyes, they wouldn’t be too out of place in that one room with the warped walls in Madarame’s Palace since that was where the security lasers were mostly introduced

They should have kept Yoshizawa's code name as "Clown" by virtue of it being hilarious.

Akechi being a cut boss after the calling card has been sent can explain why you can get that scene of him arresting if you hit the deadline even after his boss fight.

So, it recently hit me... The unused Joker Face where he looks like he just got hit in the nuts is probably an unused part of the animation he does whenever he's 'surprised' (See the Kamoshida Arc, and when he flails about after opening a door to see a Shadow).

Oh, what a treat this'll be to watch. Thanks for all the research you put into making these unused content videos, BK.

I remember watching the Persona 3 and 4 unused content videos and searching for this and was kinda bummed out that you hadn't made one. However here we are the next day, and hour of unused content was definitely worth the wait.

Mouse Akechi is so adorable. I need him.

I enjoyed this dig through P5's cut content, keep up the good work!

So much info! Crazy massive effort, I'm sure. I thought I knew a lot, but there are plenty of new things I learned from this! Also appreciate how you're careful not to use things that aren't actually confirmed anywhere (i.e. the supposed Ryuji beat up scene 2). Awesome work on this Klingy!

One thing I found fascinating is Maruki's concept-art white suit somehow still made it into the game! Just as a quick monochrome still-image flashback (iirc Joker was reflecting on Maruki's words about how his friends are enjoying their lives?), that likely was forgotten about instead of being updated to the model looking more like a scientist-priest than a bridegroom😅

Hell yeah it's here this is awesome man

I already knew basically all of this since I read The Cutting Room Floor, but it's always nice to have a video of someone organizing it and giving their thoughts.

Great vid, huge P5 fan

additional cut content funfact; There's apparently a model of Akiren sitting on a very blocky version of what is unmistakably meant to be an electric chair, iirc. I can only imagine it was some early version of something related to fusion/the Velvet Room, but why Akiren is there and not some random Persona, I shudder to think.

So funny hearing you talk about there not being evidence for the Ryuji scene and now having the beta where it’s like 2x longer then we even thought beforehand

55:26 glad this was cut out, it feels so slimy

i've been waiting for this

I don’t care what anyone says that cut moment if the adult confidants hanging out is canon. I like to imagine Sae making friends with Kawakami, Tae, Ohya, and Chihaya, showing how her job doesn’t rule her life anymore.

This was such a treat to watch, somethings i have heard something none and it is interesting to see what concept a game could have been. Also yeah i understand not putting that Ryuji scene "unused content"

I approve of the unused painting of the lady as what Mrs. Kitagawa looked like.

The way I see a lot of the royal edits is to further push the player away from Maruki’s reality. That was one of my biggest gripes with the third semester as I don’t feel like they justified it well enough. Both the more visceral reactions of confidants and the akechi jazz bar events would have made both sides more compelling and complete imo. But Atlus wants players to agree with their message I guess.

i was trying to figure out why the madarame pipe thing sounded familiar despite it being unused, and realized its because he HAS been shown with a pipe in the actual game. its just specifically in the royal bad ending cg during the credits

Regarding Joker in P4AU, considering that the events of P5 occur roughly in 2018 whereas P4AU takes place in 2012, that would put him at the age of 10 or 11, so I wonder what he would've looked and sounded like in those games. In addition, is it possible that, due to having a different persona, he would have had a different element like fire? And even if that wasn't the case, would he have used skills like eigaon rather than mudoon as a showing of what was to come?

Its surprising persona 5 has so much unised content

Great video! Also, I think that some of the animations and voice lines for an extended version of the infamous ryuji scene were shown in Beta64's video on persona 5

Absolutely amazing video. Your extras/unused content videos are always very thorough and high-quality but this one is on an entirely different level since there's even more documented stuff to talk about in P5. I truly hope when more things are discovered about the P5 early builds that were leaked just a few weeks after this video released you can do a follow-up video focused solely on them. You briefly mentioned the Ryuji beatdown scenes' early versions being more violent since that was still just a rumor at the time of the video's release but now we have confirmation for that and many other things

Oh, this might explain a certain bug. If you see the cutscene where Akechi dies, but then don't send calling card to get a bad ending, Akechi is there to arrest you even though he should be dead lol... if his fight was meant to take place during the heist, that would make more sense

Man you couldn't have made this video at a worse time lmao, now that we have 5 prerelease builds of the game

It’s a shame this video came out right before the persona 5 beta dropped probably would’ve doubled in length though lol

The scrapped fail for the qlipoth deadline is so eerie Its gotta be the sojiro line that gets me, like, the implications of everyone else being converted to the 'inmates' of depths is quite sad when you think it probably happened to the rest of the party and all your confidants too

LaLa really needed to be a Confidant option

Wow there was A LOT on the cutting room floor, huh? An amazing conclusion to a fantastic LP. Amazing as always my dude!

i think akechi in shido’s arena was probable meant to be a cognitive akechi, like how okumura had a cognitive fiance, and shido would probably have been a 3 phase boss fight instead of a 2 phase one. cognitive akechi probably got located to the fight before so he could fight and kill real akechi

Yusuke is definitely the one talking in that video game piracy mission, meaning yusuke thinks games are art

Great video, so much mechanics they erased it!

10/10 video!

Man Im really sad that that police chat was cut. They kinda gloss over that they just had basically the entire police force and SWAT teams enter the Metaverse. Like did any of them see any other police officers get turned into Shadows?

yooo i was wondering if you ever were gonna do a unused content video againn, nice :D

11:03 That lock picking minigame looks very similar to the ones in RGG's judgment. 19:46 You know that reminds me of how they made Lucifer NG+ exclusive in Strikers

A thing that I find interesting from 1:04:18 is that I remember the supposed cut thieves den cutscenes being there in the original ps4 version of royal. In fact I remember seeing them at the thieves den. Perhaps they were cut in the pc port? I haven’t played that version yet so I may be wrong.

If ur curious the QR code at 10:31 reads "Since the field/qr/ directory doesn't exist, thus no images, this is a mockup of what it would display."

58:21 "And some lines implying that where you enter a palace from in the real world affects where you start in the palace." [Ann's line abotu Futaba's palace] "Which is not true of the final story." Yes but no. In the scene where Ann & Morgana use the Metanav to escape Madarame's locked room with Yusuke, they do not arrive through the front of the palace like usual. Instead, they literally fall out of the sky, probably a 100 feet above the ground. They end up right where Ren & Ryuji were waiting in the palace, outside the entrance to the locked room. They likely were right outside of the locked when they used the Metanav. Another scene that goes against this statement is from Shido's palace. Ryuji supposedly drowns/gets blown up, and he exits from a different area than the party. He returns to the real world "I was lyin' on the grass". The rest of the PTs return at the front entrance, standing up, versus Ryuji who was far away enough they didn't notice him, and he was lyin' on the grass. Ann's line complains about having to ride through the Mona Bus with no AC. In game, the player just arrives at the front of the palace. But for all we know, maybe they did have to ride through the desert each time. Maybe they did walk from the Metaverse Teikyu Accessway to Central Street for Kaneshiro's Palace. In scene, Ryuji complains about having to walk all the way to Madarame's shack. But in game, we just get to the palace from the accessway. The only thing that I can think of that contradicts this is the fact the og PT hideout is the rooftop and the arrive at the front gate. If they entered from the rooftop, they should have started at the tower. But the parts of the story with scenes that show their location don't involve the rooftop. When Ren meets Ryuji, Ryuji activates the Metanav, and judging by the red/black splash effects and eerie music, they were already in the Metaverse before they found the castle. They entered from that spot, and they started in that spot. The next day Ryuji and Ren enter from the front gate, they arrive at the front gate. Ren, Ryuji, and Morgana enter from the alleyway on the side of the school when Ann follows them. And they arrive nearby the front gate. So the hideout doesn't prove anything on palace entry location. Did I just write a whole essay over two lines? Yes. CAUSE IT IS TRUE IN THE FINAL STORY!!!

I noticed a few of these lost bits show up in the strikers spin off, like where you enter a palace from in the real world affects where you start

You couldn't put Mishima off you? God, he's so needy.

I guess we'll see a part 2 to this video now in a few years lol.

I died at the Akechi mouse squeaks 😂

Im so acoustic for unsuee content thanks for this video king!

The World arcana did end up getting used in Royal for Izanagi no Okami. No confidant for it, though

Im glad they didnt include the doubt/break system. Its not a fun mechanic being basically forced to hang out with someone just to keep their perk

I've been waiting for this! Seriously this alot of unused content that pretty interesting. I guess that what happen when this game was developed for 8 years. wished we got those will seeds flashbacks, it would be insightful for why the targets do what they do. I also have to bring up that during the gap between persona 4 & 5, there was fanmade persona 5 OST called persona image project that used songs different artist to brain a persona game, some of it is pretty cool and surprising some of the juniebox songs do fit persona 5(like the "free" song from "oasis") Also recently watch Godzilla minus one. Will said it has the best human cast in any of the Godzilla film and one awesome thing, but that a spoiler.

Now we got double the unused lately, fuckin insane it happened at all

I have a theory about the level 95 Metatron Mementos request: Although it didn't make it into main game, it instead became what we now know as one of the challenge battles where Metatron along with other high level personas have to be taken out with certain conditions to qualify for first place high score. Just my two cents.

It’s interesting that in Royal, Maruki and Kasumi both have Doubt and break dialogue that states that if you see that message, it’s a bug, but Sumire’s line *doesn’t* call it a bug. Maybe this implies that originally, you might be able to Break Sumire’s confidant.

Dear god. I am glad that the neglect Confidant didn't return in P5 because that was a VERY ANNOYING feature of P3 FES that I hated. However the removed/cut stuff was indeed interesting. Especially Akechi's Palace.

The Crossroads Bar Cutscene is the closest we get to the Adult Confidant AU. 😢

tbh, i think the “sells for a lot, but…” treasure items were most likely meant to have actual uses, with the “but…” implying that they had other uses. perhaps in scraped missions where you would give the item to a person (examples being the milk bottle and the phone), accessory items (most likely the case for the earrings and the two statues), or maybe even gift items that either joker would give to a confidant or be given to him by said confidant (which could explain the silk bundle), or it could imply that there was a problem with the items.

15:47 That would have been interesting. My guess is that it would have been the Shido's interpretation of Akechi, assuming the boiler scene wasn't removed. 16:44 Aw, that's adorable. 19:02 So were they planned for the World arcana or those Personas replaced others in other arcanas, making these redundant? 22:03 Oh, you remembered why you crashed in the game when Haru was driving you? 23:43 *Looks at my hoard of pirated ttrpg books and magazines.* Yeah, that checks out. 34:40 Ah, so potentially that mechanic from P4 would return. 38:07 Guess they didn't want to use the discount store for that? Either that or discount stores work differently in Japan. 38:45 Ngl, the gun one should have sticked around, just reworked so that when read, you could unlock more guns from Iwai. 49:40 Finally realized you aren't splitting this into two videos with voice clips in separate one. 52:54 Interesting. 55:58 Considering when it happens, I would really hope this was him checking to see if Ann was fit for Ren. 56:06 Exactly that. 58:05 This could also work as Strikers foreshadow, lol. 1:07:24 These lines do imply that this isn't just Akechi from Joker's memory.

Another thought I have for the "Follow Claw" is, that it might not hint at another Weapon, but it might ust be used for Morgana since Follow Sword was already taken. They could have made changed Yosukes to "Follow Katana" or something, but maybe it got scraped before someone thought of that. Although Id say Clawweapons are hella cool.

also, the thing with joker’s 2nd awakening persona, was most likely a place holder for his final one, since both are the same person, with one being the younger version (the one we got in the release).

i wish the palace ruler flashbacks werent cut but i guess they where kinda used in maruki palace where you learn about why did he become a ruler in the first place

6:02 I noticed it WAS used at the beach when you ryuji and yusuke went to get info about the phantom thieves, or at least something similar

And now you get to remake this video with thur beta build that dropped containing mountains of new unused shit, and context behind a lot of the unused stuff we already knew about

If you count DLCs, in Royal, Izanagi-No-Ookami & Izanagi-No-Ookami Picaro are defined under the World Arcana ingame. I do wonder if they would've put Satanael under World also if that stayed a mechanic within the game? I would assume probably so? Edit: Something else that just crossed my mind, the Iwai Will Seed cutscene is probably referencing the person in Kochiji who you can trade items to for other items (You can see what item the kid wants in the day and trade it to something to him at night). They may have repurposed him after coming up with Jose?

Im so sad they removed the will seed flashbacks they would have added a lot to the villains of the game

80% of content that have been cut out for games always be like super cool and fun to actually have in the game, the one thing about morganas social link is that it's story bound so for him to have dialogue about ignoring the cat that is with you 24/7 is weird maybe he wasn't gonna be a story bound social link im guessing

the 3rd semester confrontations are so good

The idea with the flashbacks of the past of the palace rulers was later reused in Maruki's Palace and to some degree also in Strikers

Fun fact, the Fulfiller (39:40) is actually used in Royal as Maruki's rank nine confidant reward.