Good to hear.

10 months and one owner is the normal period to assess longterm reliability.

@@dooshdashcams2629 When you're impressed that a brand new bike lasted 3000 miles you're riding the wrong bike.

@@siraff4461 when will that be then?

I totally agree… but I do like the appeal of apple CarPlay/ google maps when I’m riding right there in case I do need to glance down. Having said that.. quad lock phone holders exist and I’d prefer real gauges almost any day. But when was the last time we got a really sexy set of those?

yeah. i want the advanced version with all the bells and whistles (QS, TC, damper, etc) but with the smaller horizontal TFT. it should be optional so people can choose. i'm sure some like the big tablet.

@@donderstorm1845 The US version has it in horizontal and it looks way better.

Or even couldn’t care less 😂

​​@@magaudionI I Me My I I couldn't care even more unhinged less in Me My I I comments even of I I Me My The Real tried.

Why don't people understand this simple phrase?

"horrific regime"? You can say that with someone like Biden ruling the free world?

And how much of that activity runs thru your mind while riding 😂

I take it you have never been to China? Is this the reason for your ignorance or is it more simply you are Sinophobia? Do you know where I-Phones are made? Are these of poor quality and inferior to other phone manufactures? I own a Xiaomi phone, this is as good if not better tan an I-Phone for half the price. Chinese manufactures will make a product to the specification and price the customer is willing to pay. Don't go and expect to pay peanuts because all you will get...... Whatever the reason, you need to trying leaving your own back garden, you may find that what you are told by the media can not always be trusted! There is a supplier if brake calliper repair kits who buys all the seals from China and the repacks them and sells. He is doing a great business. I now this because in the past he knew I was travelling to China and asked me to source some new suppliers for him. I would very much doubt that this is just an isolated example. Just ask yourself next time you buy something from a UK suppliers where did they source these items/parts? If you are referring to the Uyghurs people? There are I think 58 distinct ethnic groups in China. Why would China persecute the Uyghurs people and not the other ethnic groups? China is aware of some very radical Muslim groups, who have went into a primary school and killed many children, another deliberately drove a car at high speed in Tiananmen Square again killing many. Have you ever heard of these incidents? China is not alone when it comes to fear of terrorists. All over the world Countries are actively placing intervention procedures and terrorist Laws to counter act possible terrorists. To make a sweeping statement just like you have, only goes to show your ignorance, lack of education or just simple racism!

@@marcustaylor3528 when you're riding? not at all. It's when you are signing the paperwork!

Are you typing this on your Chinese produced phone/tablet or laptop. Yep.

Support and predictability of support is key as these bikes are a new model. Reliability is questionable until years roll by.

wouldn't surprise me if cfmoto stops manufacturing the 650NK. it's just worse in every way than the 800NK. less power, less tech, and somehow a whopping 17kg heavier too. and if you want something smaller, there's the 450 SR/NK. which is 33kg!! lighter.

Let us know how it goes...

How was it a complete copy of a ducati😂? Ducati use steel trellis frame where suzuki used aluminium trellis frame, And the SV powerplants were used in Cagiva Raptors and Aprillas. SV's have nothing in common with Ducatis except for V twin engines when actually alot of Ducatis were L twin. Your comment is invalid.😂

In no way was this SV mechanically "inspired" by the POS ducati These wannabe dukes sadly are... Thats why they are having RAMPANT component failures (just like KTM's have) Absolute gems...

Lolz, what? How's a liquid cooled, 4 valve, aluminium framed, reliable Suzuki a copy of an underpowered, air cooled, 2 valve, steel framed oil-sieve?

@@MrSlurry Word!

Doesn't say much for Bike World does it.

Kove, GPX and SSR are the chinese brands to go for when it comes to dirt bikes and off roaders

Why would BW tell YOU what he really thinks if the money exchanged hands in this single paragraph Reply?

@@dooshdashcams2629 I doubt money changed hands but I wouldn't be surprised to see Chris racing one sometime soon. Remember 44T doing it? If not I suggest watching some of their vids while they were being shills or "brand ambassadors" or whatever they call it these days. I don't really care so long as they make it obvious to us whats going on and when it gets to that level of brown nosing its about as obvious as it gets. Let them take the money/ride/whatever.

True, as of 2024 but that could change quickly. I remember when people were saying the same about Japanese bikes (yes, I am old)

Fancy wood buttons?

Check out autotrader for used prices. There are plenty to look at, especially 800mt Vs KTM 890s etc. CF Motos lose about the same % as the established brands over time but because they are cheaper to start with it costs you less. Residual value is a tactic used by the expensive brands to trick you into spending more. Your 2 year old KTM 890 might be worth more than a similar age cfmoto but the difference from new will be greater. I did this exercise a few weeks back and many others agreed. The example then was a Voge 300 Vs Honda CRF 300. The Voge lost about £1k from new then prices dropped slowly. The CRF prices dropped 1.5-2k in the same period and then continued to fall to a similar price to the Voge. In 'depreciation from new' the Honda's were generally twice as expensive, more so if you needed parts as the Voge parts were much more sensibly priced than Honda's.

​@@terrynicholson9273won't "quickly"

They're worth buttons to begin with... Who cares about residuals when you're paying 30% less than a KTM anyway

CFMoto Builds the KTM 790 Duke and Adventure for KTM. The 790 went away for a few years and came back this year, 100% built by CFMoto. If you read whats new for the 2024 790's it states "Heavier Cams for smoother operation" which is KTM for "our bad, having cams made of construction paper is great for fast revs but bad for reliability" . Also CFMoto Builds every single Kawasaki 650 parallel twin.. you know the one that's been in the Ninja 650, Vulcan S, Versys 650 for over a decade. CFMoto even bored it out, the 650 engine to make it a 700cc and put it in the CFMoto CL-X bike they sell. They also put the normal 650 in the 650NK, it's the same 650 engine they build for Kawasaki. I wish CFMoto would advertise these facts, it would comfort most people to know these things. Especially the Kawasaki 650 engine, everybody raves about how reliable that engine is... And Kawasaki never even built it. I even owned a 2015 Ninja 650, it was a fantastic engine for power and reliability.. And the whole time it was made by CFMoto and I never even knew it until recently.

@@sirwes2924 It'll be interesting to hear about the cfmoto 790 reliability relative to prior KTM iterations.

You're our hero!

The question is.... Does it need the damper?

@@rogerdunn9970 lots of reviewers have said the front end is very flighty without it.

@@rogerdunn9970 but this could be retro fitted unlike the tablet and quick shifter

​​@@BikeWorldTVshowalways great to see a corporate bike Review business win you over with the "be a smartarse" Reply.

Julian Assange and that brisk British freedom.

​@@dooshdashcams2629 为国家工作还是仅为人工智能工作？

@@dooshdashcams2629 yeah because one example really compares the UK to China’s wholesale repression of various parts of its population and the state censorship that wouldn’t even allow us to have these conversations.

​@@Kurlach Don't waste your breath. This looks like a set up account (in Australia) just to counter anti Chinese comments. It's why I responded to it in Chinese.

@@Kurlach Royal Mail, well done.

Need to be on the FIM eligble list or will need an exemption from BSB.

Will the Marelli fella say Marelli electronics are great with Italian passion?

I havnt had an issue in the last 5 years with mine, just normal wear and tear (fork bearing starting to go now)

Maybe just look where you're riding, seems to be a basic skill.

I love that about them! In person is so much cooler. And cf is making plenty of styles. The 500 has super sick retro styling, the upcoming 675 looks like a track monster, and even their adventure bikes look great.

They're cheap to make and draw peoples attention. Same as the ipad on the bars and all the other tat that just makes bikes feel cheap and nasty to own.

i actually think this headlight looks cool. it reminds me more of bull's horns than an insect head. way better than ktm or yamaha headlights. but none of them come close to the ugliest headlights of all: triumph speed triple. even from the side you go "ewww"

​@@donderstorm1845I would say especially from the side, like some bulbous growth on the front of the bike, it's horrible.

@@donderstorm1845 Two wrongs don't make a right.

By the same token its on cheap suspension, brakes and a detuned engine along with tyres only fit to do burnouts on. Plenty of SV's still going strong at 20+ years old. I remain to be convinced these will be.

Mark Pulling just did one

Can you get them that cheap?

£6,799 on the road.

The KTM commitment to longterm Fit and Finish has a wee bit to gehen.

CF are average. Quality, average, performance average, support average, even hooking up with dinosaur review channels to market bikes,.average.

Only the best, Lindt!

​@@BikeWorldTVshow a patronising and deflective response of ever there was one.

​@@rdc3397 how is he ever going to know? The manufacturer or dealer will never admit it. Hell, KTM even try and weasel out of warranty claims for it but conversely I saw a German guy who has ridden his KTM across Europe and services it himself...had no issue with it. We'll always hear of the failures but who writes a review/comment to say their camshaft hasn't had an issue - nobody.

@@thebrowns5337they’ve told us news will be coming on how they’ll be dealing with it this week.

And then you smoke them on it or let them ride it, I’ve ridden everyone of their bikes and was impressed every time and bought the 800 yesterday.

How would they know if they never own or ridden one? 🤔

@@marcustaylor3528 you think people actually test things themselves before making assumptions?

@Tom_baz I know they don't 😂 but that shouldn't affect how you should feel about it

@@marcustaylor3528 Maybe seeing cheap Chinese bikes fall apart for the last 20-odd years gives people the wrong impression? They have been selling bikes here for decades and so far the vast majority have been utter junk. I'm not saying these are too but I really wouldn't want to be the guy putting my money down to find out. Maybe give it a couple of generations to see how they have improved or not?

Because tough young riders know their fashion, because they're tough.

because they aren't designed by chinese guys. they are designed by Kiska. an EU company. :) Cfmoto isn't really 100% chinese.

@@JinKazama92 someone make parts amd assembles them, quite the critical factor when riding is involved

Style is subjective. It doesn't really matter as there will always be some that like the design of a bike and others that don't. All that matters is what you yourself think.

No, that's Piaggio scooters.

The Hondas which you can still see for sale to this day - 50-60 years later? Yeah comparing leaky, unreliable old British bikes with far superior quality Japanese bikes is exactly the same as comparing cheaply built Chinese bikes to the machines on sale today, isn't it? Lets see how many are still on sale in 20,30,50 years. Or even 10.

Just looking for gif of an incredibly long bow.

Its clearly a paid advert. CF moto have been doing it a lot with various journos.

​​@@siraff4461yep, absolutely other bike companies never pay for this type of blatant stuff, and Bike Review is more ethical than Julian Assange and Ralph Nader combined.

Build your own iPhone and start that local Asian Restaurant you've been dreaming of.

Not the first!

Who else do you suggest we talk to? If you look through the comments you'll see owners are satisfied with the brand. Surly the comments would reflect if he was talking out of his ass. No hidden agenda or conspires here!

Yeah but the frame, suspension etc is made of much better quality materials so I know which I'd rather be going fast on!

@@mark675 How do you know this? Oh that's right, you do not. I'll grant Ohlins is superior to whatever they have on this thing and the brakes may lack a bit of feel compared to the best available, but to assume the cast aluminum frame of the Panigale is just by default "better" is not using your brain. If Ducati chose to use garbage "stainless" for the exhaust it makes you wonder where else they cut corners. With these Chinese bikes you get 95% of a premium machine at perhaps 70% of the cost. I don't own any but when adding another bike I will look at them, and the price, and decide.

@sburns2421 haha yeah ok sell your Ducati and buy something Chinese then brainbox you'll soon find out lol Speaking to someone the other day had his engine start button fall off cus was made from shite plastic and his subframe cracked (its 1 year old) but hey you do you 😂 good luck 👍

@@mark675 I had no desire to own a Chinese bike until the last couple of years. The quality has improved markedly since 2016 or so. There is no comparison to the early NK650 of the time and this NK800. Keep in mind Asian suppliers make many OE components for the big brands. You would be shocked at the percentage of components on your Italian/American/Austrian/British/Japanese motorcycle shipped out of China. If you look at something like an Ibex and compared it with say a V-Strom 800 they are comparable for sure. Granted resale remains horrible on Chinese bikes. Will I buy one? I don't know as they don't make bigger sportbikes (yet). If QJ does their 4-cylinder literbike using the old MV Agusta tooling, I'll definitely take a look.

@sburns2421 yeah I agree alot of parts are made in china, India etc but these parts have to meet Quality control from Triumph etc so are probably made from better materials and to a better standard, China make stuff as cheap as possible using cheap materials and sell lots of them by undercutting other manufacturers, I agree that they are getting better but I still wouldn't buy one as I don't fancy doing 160mph and not being 100% happy with what's underneath me but that's just my feeling on the matter, if you can afford better then spend it

Well, the riding experience is always determined by......looks.

@@xclent1975 loads, we’re struggling to spend it all, FFS!

And Ducati aren't?

@@dooshdashcams2629 yeah but at least they are on the same continent, and worst case go to the factory…..

@@TommieTrumper-TFC1200 any Chinese parts on that Audi Panigale? #everyoneknowstheanswer

it has a rain mode, at this mode bike is very friendly and smooth, and the chinese version of this bike already has TC, wheelie coltrol etc

If you need TC on a bike like that just buy a smaller bike. A 100hp twin really doesn't need TC unless you think the throttle is a button.

​@@siraff4461 If the engine and chassis is good enough then TC shouldn't really be that big of a deal unless you're either a new rider who's a bit nervous of the power, or a complete muppet with no control. In any case, ABS and TC have limits as to what they can get you out of. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against these systems, it's just that with a claimed 100bhp and average road riding, TC isn't going to replace the rider's judgment or riding skills.

@@pauln6803 Considering modern suspension and tyres it amazes me anyone needs tc on any bike - let alone a mid power commuter. One of my bikes is a gen 1 busa which has zero electronic aids and doesn't need them either. It can spin the wheel pretty easily on anything but a good surface but thats why the throttle goes both ways. It always makes me wonder who is giving licenses out when I read comments like "it needs abs, tc" and all the rest. Most abs/tc sytems are utter junk anyway and only there for legislation or to put a tick on the spec sheet. If you want tc thats actually any good you need to go for something fairly high end. The tc on the R1 for example is pretty decent but even at that level its not something you should just blindly trust. I do think there are a group of people coming up now who can't really ride, rely on electronics to bail them out and its only a matter of time before they find out the hard way.

Good lord, don't get on an old Speed Triple then with it's lethal 110hp sans TC.

😂 just to spend more money for less features, basic looks and the same maintenance as every other vehicle, go for it.

⁠​⁠@@marcustaylor3528most people keep their bikes for 3-5 years then trade up or trade in. If you enjoy losing over half your bikes value the second you drive it out of the dealer, go for it.

​@@marcustaylor3528okaaaay, let the Aprilia v Honda maintenance battle begin!!