We have been blessed with a hour of Bill & Ryen

Fucking finally a full pod with Ryen on KZfaq! This is what the people have been waiting for! Enjoy your break Billy!

Group L - 64-59 - Quality Starters, Little Expensive (0:00) 64. O.G. Anunoby 63. Deandre Ayton 62. Jarrett Allen 61. Fred VanVleet 60. DeMar Derozan 59. Domantas Sabonis Group K - 58-52 - Upside Gang (3:19) 58. Keegan Murray 57. Tyrese Haliburton 56. Tyrese Maxey 55. R.J. Barrett 54. Jaren Jackson Jr. 53. Franz Wagner 52. Josh Giddey Group J - 51-44 - The Ginobilis / Playoff Guys (6:45) 51. Tyler Herro 50. Jordan Poole 49. Desmond Bane 48. Marcus Smart 47. Herb Jones 46. Jalen Brunson 45. Andrew Wiggins 44. Mikal Bridges Group I - 43-40 - The Westbrooks / Regular Season Guys (13:40) 43. Bradley Beal 42. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 41. Jaden Ivey 40. Dejounte Murray Group H - 39-35 - Sorry, He’s Worth More to Us Than to You (16:56) 39. Chris Paul 38. Damian Lillard 37. Khris Middleton 36. Jamal Murray 35. LeBron James Group G - 34-29 - Too Young, Too Good, Too Cheap, Please Stop Calling Us (23:44) 34. LaMelo Ball 33. Jabari Smith 32. Jalen Green 31. Darius Garland 30. Paolo Banchero 29. Chet Holmgren Group F - 28-23 - If You Tell Woj, I’ll Deny It to Death, But I’m Listening (28:23) 28. Zach Lavine 27. Donovan Mitchell 26. Rudy Gobert 25. Karl Anthony-Towns 24. Kawhi Leonard 23. Zion Williamson Group E - 22-18 - Let Me Save You Some Time, N-O (36:02) 22. Brandon Ingram 21. Pascal Siakam 20. Jrue Holiday 19. Jaylen Brown 18. Bam Adebayo Group D - 17-11 - True Franchise Guys (41:50) 17. Scottie Barnes 16. Cade Cunningham 15. Jimmy Butler 14. Paul George 13. Trey Young 12. Anthony Davis 11. Devin Booker Group C 10 - We’re Not Trading Him (Make Us an Offer) (53:12) 10. Kevin Durant Group B - 9-5 - Untouchables (54:14) 9. Anthony Edwards 8. Evan Mobley 7. Jayson Tatum 6. Joel Embiid 5. Ja Morant Group A - 4-1 - Completely and Utterly Untouchable (1:00:36) 4. Stephen Curry 3. Nikola Jokic 2. Luka Doncic 1. Giannis Antentokounmpo

I like listening to Bill and Ryan cause it feels like a conversation you have about basketball with your buddy over a beer

They went from comparing Anthony Edwards to Dion Waiters a few months ago, to now being a top untouchable player for a franchise in a matter of a few months. Gotta love Ryen and Bill.

This was a great topic. In the dog days of summer when you really have to create content you guys did great. Much appreciated!

having herb jones over haliburton and maxey is simply deranged

"We gave 75 first round picks, Shai and Gallo for you... please, call you tell us if u gonna show up today?" this one cracked my in half, lol

I would’ve been interested in a list for “general trade value” vs. trade value to the player’s respective team. I’d argue Josh Giddey in a vacuum, would return more in the trade market than Chris Paul

Bills topics are like 1000% better than anything they discuss on ESPN

I am a hockey guy all the way but I could listen to you guys talk NBA for hours. You must be doing something right. Good show.

Bill thanks for hooking it up I’m drunk and in the hospital right now from alc poisoning this pod will cure me

YES. Bringing back his old ESPN article topics in podcast form. Awesome

Bill wins the lighting, Ryen wins the background.

Finally a long video. Let’s go 👏🏼

I feel like dorian finney smith in dallas is perpetually slept on, especially from a value perspective. every team in the league would want him if available.

Dude, I’ve listened to this a few times now, please keep doing this and things like it!

Thanks for uploading the whole video

Shai being that low is criminal. People really don’t understand how good he is

Lebron and maybe Curry gets a special asterisk. He puts on asses on seats and viewership is the highest when he plays. Making their contracts actually much more valuable than where you have them ranked

This is gold, you guys are awesome

Rob Williams slept on. Perfect modern center on a bargain contract

“I think you’re right I’m gonna move Chet. I think I just got excited” 😂

The beauty with Bam is that he’s only 24 and we know he can give what he gives for a long time. DPOY level defense, 20 and 10, really solid facilitation. And this is a guy who they have to encourage to shoot more. Dude literally is like a AD Draymond hybrid.

really glad this whole thing got a video

Starts off rough immediately now that Indiana offered Ayton a max 😂

I genuinely haven't talked to a basketball fan who doesn't love Ant. And as a magic fan it's nice to have 2 top 60 guys with one in the top 30

The fact there are 60 players with quality trade value is crazy the league ain’t never been this deep

I can’t comprehend how someone as knowledgeable as Bill says some out of pocket stuff so often. “If the Clippers we’re to offer Kawhi for Siakam the Raptors would have to have a meeting” dude obviously they would just pull the trigger. How could you even compare the two?

Bridges never has averaged over 20ppg in his career. No way he can do what Wiggins did

Amazing Pod

It’s delicious that KD not being thought of as a “company guy” has limited his power in forcing trades way more than we had thought (compounded with the gobert trade timing)

20:10 gotta love the Lillard quote, seems genuine as Bill said not some bullshit posturing.

The fact that Bill had to think about trading Herb mfing Jones for RJ Barrett is willlllllld. You’re better than that Billy Boy. Good looks on Ryan for being like “No bruh. Stop it.”

Going to be honest it’s insanely wild how outrageous the basketball community has raved and overreacted the pelicans winning 2 first round games and now herb jones has more trade value than Tyrese Haliburton because he got a couple steals… BS

Wow the entire hour 😮 thanks bill. This reminds of the redraft videos I’ve watched 1000 times over. See you when you back in August 🎉

Great list

Tyrese Haliburton is way too low. Just a minute ago everyone was screaming about how he's one of the best young floor generals in the league, which is true plus he shoots over 40% from 3. I'd put Haliburton just behind SGA and ahead of Bradley Beal due to the new contract.

Rj Barrett just consistently gets disrespected, it’s pretty wild how often this keeps happening.

Miami would not trade Jimmy straight up for AD. Jimmy had lead them to the finals and outplayed AD. What did AD ever lead his team too?

Have a good vacation Bill! You deserve some time off for sure.

These two are the the fucking best to listen to.

Can you start releasing the full video of the podcast? I would watch them all if you did.

I think Miami says NO to a Butler/AD trade : - Butler is a culture setter, ALWAYS wants the smoke, and the evidence is there : he's taken one team to the Finals, and another right to the doorstep. Is he a pain in the ass??? YES, but he shows up, practices hard, leads, and gets results. - When has AD done ANY of the above??? Way more talented, but has only shown up twice : (1) In his contract year in NO; (2) In his first year with Lebron. Plus, the injury history is HUGE....Wouldn't touch him if I didn't have another elite star in the fold.

Learnt a lot for someone who’s new to the nba

going back to this after the Kevin Durant trade and trying to imagine a world where Evan mobley gets traded for Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, and 4 first round picks lmao

Well done

This is awesome content

Man this shit is the best. I want a god damn video Bill. This has to be an option somewhere

As a Cavs fan... I was getting really nervous about not hearing Mobley's name for so long lol

How the hell can you have Anthony Davis over Kawhi

Bro Bill was wildin, Herb Jones? Bridges? Dah hell? Murray? Mans losing his fastball

Can you put the order of the list in the description or somewhere please?

Already listened to this yesterday. Now that the video’s out I’m having to watch it and hear everything all over again. Damn I’m lame

Herb higher than the Tyreses is even wild

Bill you really excel at making interesting topics of discussion in the off-season. I hate the summer baseball blues.

Banger

Feels like a reunion, all the same categories of the classic column.

If pascal siakam played on the Knicks, bulls, celtics, heat or Lakers he would be considered a top 15 player.

This was so fun. I think DeAaron Fox should be on this list somewhere. I think he's ahead of OG, Herro, Sabonis, etc. And I think LeBron is higher. But overall, I love this list.

More full pod eps please

Good list

An hour podcast on KZfaq? Yeah boyyyy

So Bill said at one point in reply to ryen saying I think it was about bridges having a bad series guarding Luka, "well who can guard Luka...?" and his answer was actually right in that group, none other than maple Jordan himself, andrew wiggins...

Gonna be interesting to see how well herb jones does this season

Ant Edwards literally had 48 against the warriors😂

I hope Zion gets in great shape. He could climb much higher if so.

Thank god it’s an hour long, these 10-15 segments aren’t enough

Jimmy 20 spots higher than Lebron is ridiculous

This is what we want substantial time you talking hoops Billy

Bill's eyes say "Think long and hard on what you're about to say about Marcus Smart".

Herb Jones over Tyrese Haliburton and Maxey? Crystal or Bath Salts?

I would definitely have Robert Williams on this list. Solid contract and a truly elite rim protector.

My only issue with some of the list is the rookies coming in like we haven’t seen them play I wouldn’t put them in any list till we are in the season watching them play

How is brunson and his huge contract worth more than og or fvv who get paid way less and play better defence?

We do have to dress the fact that that rookie scale limitation is affecting DeAndre ayton's availability both in 2 and 3 team trades.

Ain't no way I am giving up Kawhi in an one on one trade for AD. Both have injuries problems but still at the end of the day Kawhi is a proven winner AS A TOP DOG and on top of that he is only 2 years older than AD.

Scottie Barnes #17 😂 😂 😂

I would put Jokic at 2, but no big issues with the list. It was a fun video to watch.

Jrue getting some deserved respect

When it comes to trade value, it's really the top 10 guys under 30(including KD, Steph and maybe Kawhi) then the young guys and rookies.

Kawhi is one of the best playoff performers ever, and is a no nonsense guy that teammates seem to like. I don't see the paul george thing as a negative, he was just honest: I am going to your team if you get him, otherwise I go elsewhere. The clippers did and he went there so I dont see the problem, free agents choose their team that's how it works.

Herb jones lmao I was dead

Ryen looks insane in this light when he laughs

As a genuine Heat fan/OKC fan/ Cavs/ Wizards /Pirates of Caribbean fan/ Bill simmons fan/ i hope that we can do a 5 way trade so all teams involved in the deal make the nba finals . Ryen is chill dude i think he might be in VEgas , def knows whats up . and Bill is giving good takes but i would debate every dang one of his picks ! because he might be wrong on some . whoever read this comment i hope you have a wonder time and your a great person to be reading, reading in general isgood , BIll get me on the show ! i can wing it

Simmons is the GOAT sportswriter of my lifetime

theres just no way herb jones is more valuable than tyrese maxey😭

For me, Brandon Ingram is Kevin Durant-lite and I think Brandon Ingram and Ben simmons, assuming he can get his head together a little bit, would be a pretty fun tandem.

The RJ disrespect is getting crazy

There are several players whose team would never trade them for anything (unless the player openly asked for a trade). There is a case for taking those guys out and ranking just the tradable players.

Maxey is going to prove everyone wrong.

The Donovan Mitchel discussion is hilarious given what actually happened.

Seems kind of weird they’re all divided into “groups” like ginobli playoff guys etc. if it’s just supposed to be player vs player in a trade vacuum

Russillo’s Voice is On Point as Always! But he literally has no concept of lighting 😂😂😂 Except when he’s sitting in his kitchen on PMT. Here to help, not throw shade 😁 (Light in front of you bro 😎)

“Would you say no if Miami offered you Bam for Trae?” This is one of the lowest points of basketball talk.

Manu G. Was a stater that played a perfect 6th man. Dude is so highly underrated

Josh Giddey has Michael Carter Williamsed you all 😂

If only all Bill podcasts were video formats too

With AD his “bad” is still like 22-10 with major defensive impact

I am willing to bet that at least 20/30 teams in the league would give an arm and leg to trade for Lebron if he was available. Bill never dissapoints with his shitty takes.