😂😂😂

Unfortunately, the image of that hookup is now burned in my brain.

There's some Andy Reid in the as well

Steve Martin, anyone?

it's Craig Stadler's son, Walrus Jr.

You have to have a good record before you're allowed to handle the big business you know. Fact is, he must have built that rapport for years before finding the opportunity to take advantage. This isn't a smash and grab crime. And his claims of betting since 2003 are again, HIS claims. It's not reality.

Typcal comment in a Bill Simmons pod clip comment section: Brilliance combined with an ability to articulate it to where it makes perfect sense. Excellent contribution, your take is 100% bang on!

@@vincentoravec261 Agreed; great take.

The real story here is “only 2 years till she’s 18” Bill Simmons on 16 year old anna konacorva

Yes. The NBA under David Stern was basically the WWE. That's what I took out of this whole thing, not that Donaghy was a 'good guy' or whatever, but rather that he was representative of a deeper rot that the league was pretending (and still pretends) didn't exist in that era.

"When people really want to believe a story, there is nothing you can do to stop them." Great statement and fits very well for a lot of religions.

David Stern literally leaked the FBI investigation to everyone. This is after investigators and crime agents investigating a Gambino family said we think there’s over 10 refs that are doing things some worse than Tim Donaghy. And he was set to wear a wire and go in and exposed this Owes way worse than anything he was doing. Instead, David Stern leaked the investigation publicly to the New York Times so all rats all personnel. All people involved suddenly knew what was going on, so Dan took the fall. We still have an actual Gambino crime associate who was looking at 20+ years, he had all his charges dropped after he threatened the league and said I will bring 25 of your referees to the stand if you charge me and your whole league will fall down. So they dismissed his charges. This is reality. This is how things work a commissioner of a league like David Stern “finessing” a situation just like ex executives do just like people in relationships do. Bill Simmons is a pro left pro standard quota guy. Nobody has to believe anything out of the ordinary or do any mental gymnastics. David Stern leaking an investigation into referee corruption is not hearsay or conspiracy. It just means weak minded people who cling to what they are told and give thumbs up to people who also go with the narrative are a savior for you.

If you're not into week to week breakdowns then I guess you made a good choice. Really high quality insight from guys that do this professionally

I enjoy his podcast but JOCKO I can do without

Man I miss Grantland and longform articles

Jacko & Jocko are both the best

House is truly great

Why because they say what you want to hear??. Lol if you don't think Tim was telling the truth you're a

Netflix docs are garbage

This is exactly the case. This cartoon clown of a half naked child as an avatar doesn’t like reality being challenging or rigged. David Stern literally leaked the internal federal investigation that was happening for all referees deliberately that’s not here. Say that’s not a matter of opinion, that’s not a conspiracy, that has nothing to do with building seven. The facts are the commissioner leaked the investigation and the Gambino mob associate says there were almost all referees involved doing things worse than Dan. Just look at the facts and it’s too much for OP. that’s why Bill Simmons left. His podcast is better For him just leave him alone

Ya, subjective, human, fixed. Whatever you wanna call it. The NBA is like Santa Claus. Keep believing and it seems real.

@@rickyl8111 Yeah I heard they had to film Jordan stealing the ball from Malone and nailing that game winner 8 times

@@michaelahurt You probly believe Michael left the NBA just cuz he really wanted to play baseball too

@@rickyl8111 you definitely believe Brady’s not the goat goat because of soft footballs and a missed fumble call (there’s 5 more rings on the resume in case you forgot)

@@baccaandthesquad17 He definitely fumbled and used soft balls. But my favorite Brady question is why are people focused on those things and not wanting to know what hes taking to be 45 and have the strongest arm of his career. I call schenaningans that's from avocado ice cream

Like MJ desired to play minor league baseball instead of wasting 2 years in his prime

I started watching the NBA in the early 80's. All you had to do was open you eyes and pay attention. The Tim Donaghy stuff only confirmed what many fans already knew and suspected. Stern was dirty to the core.

Stern was a mobster fasho

It’s not just Netflix, it’s a lot of movies to be honest. It’s called propaganda for a reason.

@@lacydoe lol propaganda for what purpose

@@nirdbird2123 they don’t tell the full story and try to paint something or someone in a better or worse light. That’s meant to sway the viewers.

@@lacydoe lol to sway the for what purpose? You act like its in the corporate elites prerogative to have people think a sports league is built upon lies and bet rigging? What does that gain Netflix lmao or any of these other documentary producers

Which other ones?

💯

Seriously people are idiots

@@tigre2154 that is some weak attention to detail

And an FBI investigation

Agreed, but to be fair that’s not very hard in recent years😅😂🤣

“People like Bill” you mean Heat haters lol

@@Pacoag people with genuine knowledge

@@Pacoag Wade still hasn't been fouled

Bro,that series was 100% rigged and even Heat fans know it,they just won't say because y'all won the chip. Just like any other team would have.

Wade was averaging 16 FT's per game.. For a 6 game series, in the NBA finals. There was one play in particular where he committed a back court violation, traveled, and got a phantom and 1 call all on the same play. I understand refs can have bad calls, stretches of a game, maybe even a bad game.. But to sit here and say it wasn't at the very least suspicious. Smh whatever

They did the same with the woodstock 99 docu and gods know with how many more

The queens choked

@@bigboner23 We get it, troll.

Heat/ Mavs 06

the suns in 07 too. Tim admited that

Cavs in 2016. Lebron called the league hours after the game and got green suspended. Then the officiating was horrible games 5 and 6 especially. Also not the first time officials helped Lebron win 2012 okc finals was a complete sham. If you want two recent exapmples. Sun clippers when suns made finals was also suspicious.

Heat in 6 baby, stay maf

@@Pacoag idk about rigged but wade went off. Also wade was clutch always had been. The year before he hit three game winners in the playoffs in a series loss. That was less rigged and more giving wade the jordan treatment

Not rigged; Wade was a rising star who was historically great at getting to the rack and drawing fouls and who revievex star treatment like many before and after him.

Dirk set the record for most free throws on a playoff run that year. A jump shooter. But Mavs fans had no issue with that

@@j-short5431 2006 Dirk was not just a jump shooter. And no one who watched that series but a Heat fan would not admit it was totally obvious the officiating in that series changed after the Mavericks went up 2-0.

100% I know for a fact that the NBA head of officials tells referees to fix games, or at least they did so in the 1990s / early 2000s. I'm close with a person who knew and went to college with Rod Thorn; he was his dorm roommate. Thorn admitted to the league telling him (when he was head of officials) who they needed to win. There are so many blatant calls / no calls in the NBA. The NBA is so corrupt! I don't know if it's just easier for them to get away with it because the officiating is so subjective...

The time went over?

@@DaRealSonicRight? What does that mean?

If you think a ref who is a normal person like you won’t be tempted to make an easy 5 figures on a game you’re super naive.

​@@JayyJay92 What? I believe wholeheartedly donaghy sought that easy pay day. The part I dont believe is when he tries to bring other refs into his web of crap based on vague ref meetings where they were told to look out more for certain calls. Hes just trying to make himself look like less of a scumbag.

@@Chaelsonen you think he’s the only ref in the league or history of the league to cheat?!?!? 😂 the nba has got you right where they want you.

@@JayyJay92 No I dont think that either. But the idea that everyone else was in on it and only he got caught, is just a guilty person trying to make himself look better. He couldnt prove nothing.

Lol what?

@@denistuohy2535 Yeh i know. Watch and see

the way he said it made me question life. a grown man proud of eating bird poop😂

He ate Larry Legends shit?

That's the only part I've talked about with anyone 😂 dude really said "I've always been different. I knew from a young age. When I was 8 I watched a bird shit on a fence. And I wanted to taste it. I knew it was wrong. But something about doing something people said was wrong. It was euphoric. I was literally high" Like seriously wtf? This guy is a serial killer that's too weak to kill 😂🤣😂🤣😂 Noone else in history saw a bird poop and got off on the idea of eating it. And then describes it like doing ecstasy the first time 😂🤣😂🤣😂

Because Donaghy is a lying, self-serving P.O.S.

In the documentary, all he did was spew complete bs

@@christianbraun8290 - Yeah, he just wants attention and sympathy. He basically took *NO* accountability in that Netflix documentary.

I wonder if Bill's dislike translates to his mispronunciation of his name. The 'g' isn't silent.

@@mrmacross - Most people mispronounce it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Absolutely!! I stopped watching the NBA for years after the Kings were cheated out of the WCF win!! Those games were rigged for the Lakers to win and I believe that David Stern ordered it to happen. If the Kings had won, the WCF, they would have won the championship!! I wonder how Chris Webber and the rest of the Kings felt when they found out about the rigged games??

Do you mean 2000 Blazers - Lakers or 2002 Kings - Lakers? 🤔

@@johnbrowntheprophet lakers Blazers

Donahue already came out and said the blazers were targeted for quick fouls as directed by the league itself.

Foh with that horseshit

@@brianlara6451 It was very clear the directive was to get Sabonis in foul trouble

I'd bet on it! EDIT: And salutations, fellow Leo 🤝

YEAH ITS CALLED MAGNETS IN THE BASKETBALL AND RIMS * WINK WINK THE KAWHI SHOT TO BEAT PHILLY IN 2019 PLAYOFFS*

@ds once you learn gematria ( like a=1,b=2,c=3,so forth), it all makes sense; it was the 72nd NBA season and the raptors 24th season as a franchise and Toronto=72 while Canada=24,it was the raptors year AS A FRANCHISE to win it all and Kawhi was the chosen star to go there to help it come to fruition( and promptly leave right after!)

@@supasmits get some help.

​@@supasmitsbro there's not fricken magnets. I've watched the videos. I was suspicious. Theres no magnets though

That game was SOOOO rigged it's unreal!! Sacramento should have won that series, no ifs, and or buts!! Chris Webber and the Sacramento Kings were robbed of a championship!! I didn't watch the NBA for several years after that!!

@@rucianapollard4057Absolutely. It wasn’t just game 6. It was thru out the series. I quit watching NBA for 15 years after that series. It was so obvious. Even the announcers said it numerous times. And it resulted in a federal grand jury indictment trial for game fixing by the league.

Yall delusional. Go Lakers

I didn't watch NBA games for several years after the 2002 WCF, because the officiating in those games was absolutely 💩!! I wonder how Chris Webber and the rest of the Kings feel, knowing that they would have won the series and possibly the championship if not for those rigged games?!!?

NBA immediately goes in the toilet when there's parity and unpopular teams with an actual team and not a diva or three leading it every single time. It's fans are not invested in local teams like the other 3 big leagues and more personalities and top contenders. bad NBA teams routinely get outwatched by their nhl city counterpart. if the NBA had a decade of suns-bucks like NBA finals it'd kill them. that's exactly what happened in the 70s and no one cared until the Celtics and/or Lakers were in every single finals in the 80s

You’re from Portland aren’t you? Lol

I remember a few years ago when a referee and his kids got caught wearing Boston Celtics jerseys and jackets!! How are you going to fairly officiate a game when you are clearly supporting a specific team?!?

“Bron drops his shoulder and initiates contacts call it early and keep him from going downhill all game.”

The literal purpose of officiating is to control the game. If a player is traveling and it isn’t being called, the NBA should tell refs to look out for it, there is nothing wrong with that. Big difference between trying to officiate the game according to the rules and intentionally manipulating the outcome in an unfair way.

@@AlexHendershot Yeah , but when did they decide to issue those statements to the referees ?

@@exitscreaming4637 they have been consistently throughout the regular and post seasons for decades.

@@AlexHendershot Right before a crucial playoff game ?

First of all, the NBA doesn't want to. They want this to either die or get whitewashed. Second of all, it all depends on what the specific lies are, who they negatively effect, what they allege etc. No one is going to get sued, people will take the doc as truth now, and that's exactly what the NBA, Donaghy, and refs in general all want.

The NBA wants this story buried under ground, never to see the light of day ever again.

They'd have to prove that they (the NBA) didn't do anything that was suggested in the documentary, which is obviously difficult when most people believe Stern was corrupt

The nba would never sue. Because that would put them in danger of discovery. They do not want this opened up to the public.

Suing for what exactly? Suing for slander and defamation is one of the hardest cases in the world to win you not only have to prove that what they said is a stonecold lie you also have to unequivocally prove that specific lie did a substantial and identifiable amount of damage you can recoup. Streisand effect also comes into account when trying to silence someone. First amendment matters in the US. There are five things you have to prove to overcome the first amendment and none of them are easy.

Lol you believe this guy over the FBI???

Exactly. The greatest tragedy in sports. I quit watching NBA for 15 years after that! It was the only series that resulted in federal grand jury indictment trial. Whenever people whine about bad calls in a game I tell them about this. “Call me when after the series the NBA is investigated and it leads to a federal grand jury indictment trial or I don’t want to hear it”.

...he was likely making way more.

@@ChauncyCharm - That’s not his story nor what the evidence showed. 🤷🏻‍♂️

He was getting $2K from his boys but he was also betting on his own - making $100s of thousands. And of course he isn't admitting that - for obvious reasons.

@@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf - Yeah, he was betting on games since at least 2002 or 2003. My guess is that he was betting on games during the late 1990’s with his buddies at the country club where he golfed several times each week. We know for sure that he was gambling during that time, though the ESPN article about his gambling exploits wasn’t specific about what he was gambling on.

I thought I was the only one noticing it

Yep, add one more nba championship to nowitzki and take one away from wade and shaq.

Crybabies

Great point

Except that his version wasn't first. There has been tons of reporting on this and a book. For a documentary to come out now, 20 years later, that presents his side of the story that is full of factual inaccuracies that are incredibly easy to identify (and were pointed out to the producers) is why he's pissed. I imagine Bill was more than willing to just let Donaghy fade away from memory, but when you see Netflix put out a poorly researched documentary on the subject, he responded.

Why is that? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

Tim wasn't even the ref.

That horry 3 at the buzzer was fixed right, the kings choking in ot of game 7 was also fixed too right………

@@bigboner23 Samakis 3 at the end of the 2nd half should’ve never counted though

@@tomac100 imagine believing in something u saw on KZfaq alone 😆

@@bigboner23 imagine thinking that game wasn't fixed when the Lakers shot 27 FT in the 4th QTR ALONE! Even Bill Plaschke writer for LA Times says it was the worst officiated game he's ever seen. Take a seat 🤡

I think you are really on point here. Because I’m halfway thru the video and they are not going in on the NBA itself AT ALL. Def “protecting the brand” it would seem. This author too, how can he not put 2 and 2 together here? BS! Author just said “there is no evidence the league is dictating outcomes of games”!!!?!?!? PLEASE!

​@@ryanolah1662 Simmons has brought attention to Stern's *possible* involvement in rigging games before. He has mentioned Iverson's 2001 ECF matchup against Ray and the infamous 2002 LA v SAC series. Also how the league ensures that big market franchises stay relevant and are pushed into a title run. I feel like they were focusing on Donaghy specifically on this pod.

Yeah this pod felt like he was protecting the leauge and stern by discrediting Donaghy as a liar and trying to invalidate everything he’s said, like how Stern did. I bet Bill was singing a different tune back in 2007 when the story broke. Bill isn’t just some quirky blogger with no filter anymore, he’s a mogul with heavy ties to legacy media outlets and nba “insiders” with vested interest in protecting the product and integrity of the nba

@@naiemwoolfork1250 I still follow Simmons and like some products (The Rewatchables), but he went from challenging the man to becoming the man and lost some of his edge and rebelliousness. Also, he was nearly cancelled by one of his employees, so he panders a little.

On his pod they joke and laugh about a ref they nicknamed "the extender" because no series ever ends when he's reffing. He makes sure the team that's down in the series wins.

If that’s true then we would’ve seen the Cavs vs Lakers in 09 finals

@@forzaacmilan36LeBron was already solidified. They made a new superstar w/ Dwight that year. D12 was MASSIVE until the Lakers fiasco

Yeah, I watched the doc, and I don't think it "sides" with Donaghy in any way. They do show that everyone has their side of the story. But you get to the ending, and it's clear that you can't really trust anything Donaghy says.

@@thedefinitionisthis Especially the ending, in which the interviewer literally tells Donaghy that he contradicted himself on lying about how much he made on fixing games. I thought these 2 were just going to go more in depth in this video, but half of it is just them complaining about how the doc painted him as a good guy, which is not even remotely true.

@@ada443 Yeah, the ending is the real mic drop, because Donaghy is essentially caught contradicting himself, and tries to “correct” himself. It’s like: yeah, this dude can’t be trusted hahaha.

Thank you. Spot on

Yeah, I thought the documentary was very neutral especially since because Bautista, who contradicts Donaghy and obviously hates his guts, is featured just as much as Donaghy. Yes, the NBA come out looking like the main villain, covering up likely more corruption, but the ending also expose Donaghy for being able to lie with a straight face even when faced with evidence of his lie. If you weren't already questioning his story, you certain were by the end!

Homie give it up. The Sacramento Queens had 3 chances to put the Lakers away. Choking in Game 1. The infamous Robert Horry GWS in Game 4. And the Kings missing like 14 free throws in Game 7 at home. Win any of those games and Kings advance and possibly beat the Nets. But you are all complaining about one game, where you know that the NBA won't let you win because a Game 7 will be the most epic thing ever. David Stern wasn't going to deny anyone a Game 7 after a competitive series like this.

As a Bull fan, how do you about MJ being allowed to get away with gambling by David Stern?

Yeah and the blazers lakers 2000. Lakers got 2 years of cheating benefits

@@rho008 and shaq going to the line 5999 ties and calling fouls on player within 5 ft. Anyway watching lebron bitch and bring the lakers down is fun to watch. Karma. Enjoy the bubble cup

Yea, the Bulls never got phantom calls. You’re a fool that should join Pippen’s son

Yeah, you're protecting your cash cow Billy. Sad. We know its rigged.

The Bucks would have given the Lakers a good series too.

It's not even outright fixing games but it's fairly obvious that what Donaghy said about the league pushing refs to keep stars in the game and let them get away with more has been going on for 40 years if not forever. But even that Lakers-Kings game, I think people forget it was Kobe and Shaq vs a bunch of guys who were allergic to the paint. It was egregious and there were some legitimately bad calls, but idk, kinda hard to get fouled on a jumpshot

Question: What would exposing a rigged game from over 15 years ago do? The important part of any investigation now is eliminating intereference in current and future games from being rigged. Proving a game in the 90s or early 2000s was rigged doesn't fix anything. Damage is already been done, money has already changed hands, and we can't edit the results to say "This game's stats and results won't count as of x date". We just have to expell any current corruption from the reffing system.

He was the one who got sacrificed and blamed. He wasn't the only one, and for people to think punishing him fixed the problem and there are no more refs on the take is hilarious.

@@rickyl8111 We need to prevent future shady refs from ruining anymore games. Teams, players, and fans can't accept Donaghy getting the axe as a scapegoat to be enough.

@@michaelahurt exactly, everyone admits they give the stars extra foul calls and let them travel. That’s essentially fixing the games somewhat. Shouldnt The refs should be completely neutral

When I saw there was a donaghy doc on there, I was excited to see how they'd covered it. They had done a good job with the Manti, Malace, and one of the other Untolds. Then I watched the trailer... My lord. Looked like such a waste. Maybe good for Joe Non Sports Fan, maybe... But for anyone who followed the Donaghy stuff at all, it looked like such slop.

I actually think the Whistleblower podcast did a good job adding more layers to the Donaghy thing. Not just focusing on Donaghy as a subject along with his co-conspirators but other investigators who have looked into the relation of the betting circles then at the local gang level. As well with how the NBA has moved after this event and how they got past the hearing unscathed. NBA has relations with folks in the government. As well with putting former refs in 'places of authority' like the central replay HQ to add validity to the reffing, regardless of how shit it can be.

doesn’t change the fact that he’s a criminal who influenced nba games for his own benefit

Here's the difference between the NHL and the NBA. The NBA officiating is 100% more subjective than the NHL officiating. Yeah, an NHL ref can call a bad penalty, but they don't have much of an opportunity to change the outcome of a game. It's F'D up the NHL hasn't done anything towards or investigating the allegation for that ref, but I can't believe people don't realize how corrupt the NBA is.

Man I’m watching this at midnight and now his eyes are freaking me out 😅

@@rollingcourage6658 same😭

Simmons is a fool, creating conspiracies. It's not hard to know who's going to win, when the NBA is telling officials pregame what to call and what refs have biases against certain players.

These guys are apologists for the NBA

No you didn't troll

@@nonamewillbegiven6847 Umm what?? I watch the Bad Boy Pistons play in person !

@@tennaj1367 I dealt with you before. You're a m0r0n

seemingly, the nba got off without a scratch, should have been more of a dive into them. it seemed to me every person in the film were lieing, all sleezebags. who believes anything the FBI does?

wednesday podcast i think