Meet PA co-founder Charles Cilliers - be prepared to change your perceptions

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The Patriotic Alliance is synonymous with its charismatic president Gayton MacKenzie, a larger than life man’s man who possesses no diplomacy filters and takes no prisoners. Critics of the fast growing political party write it off as a one-man show. But as you’ll discover in this interview with PA co-founder Charles Cilliers, that superficial judgement is done at your peril. Cilliers, a journalist and prolific book author who wrote MacKenzie’s life story in 2007, is urbane, mature and articulate. Apart from disputing much of the narrative surrounding last week’s drama in the Joburg Metro, he offers insights into reasons for the party’s stance - based, he says, on fierce independence. This interview is certain to change perceptions. Cilliers spoke to Alec Hogg of BizNews.
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@vjb66666 Жыл бұрын

For the PA it is not about the voters. It is about themselves.

@lesegoramasika5578 Жыл бұрын

You can say the same about the DA

@vjb66666 Жыл бұрын

@@lesegoramasika5578 The DA has shown they can govern. WC is a different country to the rest of SA. Every single person in the WC is better off.

@shaun-andrewnero7111 Жыл бұрын

@@vjb66666 Govern for who ? Check the Cape Flats nothing is happening. They allude to govern through the " clean audit ". Govern is to create opportunities for the voters not the WHITE population. I grew up on the Cape Flats, I live in a different area now. I don't even have a single pothole or leak pipe to say the least when I drive to my business.

@quakesquakes618 Жыл бұрын

You talking BS it is the other way around. For how long did the DA neglect the coloured voters

@sheryllowenthal6100 Жыл бұрын

@@lesegoramasika5578 DA has the majority of the opposition parties. SA is a democracy. As they have the majority they should have the say

@ianlawrie Жыл бұрын

The PA would do well to remember that old saying: " if you lie down with dogs you will wake up with fleas".

@quakesquakes618 Жыл бұрын

Hellen Ziller also admitted that they will work with the ANC so what is your stance

@ianlawrie Жыл бұрын

@@quakesquakes618 In my opinion the saying still applies no matter the party. They are quite happy to contemplate a coalition with an organization that has virtually destroyed everything they have touched. That's the same as marrying an abuser and thinking you'll change them.

@rgee Жыл бұрын

@@quakesquakes618 Bra, I educated you on this before and you still ignore the facts. Zille said, if their only choice to stop an ANC/EFF coalition was to work with the ANC, then and only then will they do it. It is a last option, and one they don't want to do. They will explore all other choices first. I explained this to you before and yet you still come with this same story.

@Carmybabe82 Жыл бұрын

So if the PA's choice is to work with any party who will include them in any portfolios even if it's ANC or EFF then so be it. But the DA wants to be bullies and do everything their way. And exclude the minority. PA says let's work together, DA says no. Vote with us but stay away. We cannot relive apartheid here.

@quakesquakes618 Жыл бұрын

Lol who said I want your education? I am stating a fact and that's the end of it. The DA is useless when it comes to talking care of poor blacks and poor coloured people. Who gave the people of BW proper toilets not the DA and they have the nerve to say it's the best run municipality. The PA will definitely continue to eat into their votes.

@varchitect4491 Жыл бұрын

As PR, I believe the PA's position is weaker by this interview.

@clivematthews95 Жыл бұрын

Mos def, I like this man less after listening to him

@andrewworrall4302 Жыл бұрын

You should get all these people on at the same time, so that they can all present the facts in the presence of each other, otherwise its always going to be a "he said she said"

@mthobisisikhakhane Жыл бұрын

Exactly, everyone is protecting themselves, so bring them together same time and we will judge who lies

@hansielategan969 Жыл бұрын

True, but the PA, ASA and FF+ all say the same thing and the DA something different after all four come out the same meeting. I tend to believe three people out of the meeting with the same story, rather than the one that is different. I think it happened three times now... To me it really looks like the DA does not want to do anything if they do not have full control. They act like they big, but they are not. They may be the biggest opposition party, but that still does not make them a big party. The rate they have been struggling in local council elections, I don't think they are going to get more that 15-17% of the vote in 2024. All those votes they think they are going to pick up, is going to ASA, the PA, FF+, and IFP (in KZN) Throw Musi and Rise Mzansi in the mix, and we may just end up with a possible four parties , i.e. three of these and the EFF that all get between 10-15%. Then the DA is in serious trouble, because they have already alienated the PA, just about ASA and getting closer to alienating the FF+. They may even drop below 50% in the WC. AT the other end and ANC/EFF in coalition is far from a reality (unlike what the DA is professing as if it is a done seal) and the ANC may just reach out to all the abovementioned parties if they drop significantly below 50% and close a deal with them. The DA and EFF will then be sidelined and the DA will die like the old NP and the EFF drop to well below 10% in 2028.

@martinengelbrecht5384 Жыл бұрын

@@hansielategan969 yes I believe so, the DA is too controlling and superior. People need politicians to get on with the job and make it work.

@SuperAspari Жыл бұрын

I agree fully… and even if it ends up being a 5 hour interview, so we exhaust each topic. Everyone can create an impression for an hour, but after 5 hours it’s a lot harder to cover up the cracks

@sphephelomabuyakhulu3327 Жыл бұрын

@@hansielategan969 You make a point that most people are oblivious to. The ANC can/will win the elections with support of the smaller parties. In GP and KZN they'll definitely need the EFF but maybe not nationally. If they bring on board the PA then they will be okay. I can see them being willing to let go of KZN and GP. It's only the provincial ANC leaders that are going to lose. The IFP is likely taking KZN though, on their own or with ASA/DA. An ANC, GOOD, PA coalition in the WC is not out of question as well.

@MarkusSchmitz-Hubsch Жыл бұрын

I wonder what we would do without Alec Hogg giving them all this excellent platform ...very interesting to learn about all sides of a story... Big thank you to BizNews!!!!

@sandilekhowane4986 Жыл бұрын

I wish he gave the ANC and EFF the platform to also explain their positions in these metros like all the other parties.

@karldrogo9765 Жыл бұрын

@@sandilekhowane4986 nothing to explain. The metro don't function because they were in power

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

@@sandilekhowane4986 they will still have a crocodile skin answering questions without any shame. SIES MAN!! They have shown the world who they are...MURDERERS like PUTIN😕😟👹👽👺👿💀🤖and THE DEMONS

@caspersteenkamp6912 Жыл бұрын

We should stop judging politicians by what they say and start judging them by what they do. The PA gave control of Johannesburg to the ANC and the EFF. They had a choice. This is what they chose. These are their actions. They did not do this in the interest of the citizens of Johannesburg. They did it in their own self-interest.

@jozigalm8159 Жыл бұрын

I hope youre applying that mantra to the DA too. The DA would rather have had Gayton f*ing McKenzie as mayor OR give the city back to the ANC than to support an ActionSA candidate??? Make that make sense? This the same DA that swears the ANC/EFF is enemy number 1. Why would the PA trash their ANC deal for nothing? The PA are vile, but their position is clear and the terms were set. As for the DA demanding public self-flagellation from the PA? Just another insane power trip.

@null345 Жыл бұрын

Who would have thought a former gangster and bank robber couldn't be trusted?!!? Holy shit what a surprise!! Now mix ex-gangster with politician and oh boy do you have a recipe for pure distrust. roll on 2024

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

Nonsense!!! They were forced to..stop making assumptions...blame it on the GIANT DA party...clearly RACISTS!!!!

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

@@null345 U can hurl insults at him a reformed gangster clean for the ladt ten years but u r still voting for the mafia state gangsters like Beke Steelnie...Julius with no etiquette...Steenhuizen with hos huge Ego. Bugger them all they think Coloureds are their lapdogs 👇👇👇👇UP U PATRIOTIC ALLIANCE👆👆👆👆👆. WE ARE AMBASSADORS FOR CHRIST...THE KINGMAKER....ROYALTY👑👑👑👑

@trishkennedy8224 Жыл бұрын

politics is a dirty business its all about 'the power ' versus ' how can we service the people"

@caspersteenkamp6912 Жыл бұрын

I generally like BizNewsTv, but Alec Hogg do not ask the difficult questions. The elephant in the room here was that the PA chose to hand Johannesburg to the ANC and EFF in their own self-interest. That was not addressed.

@MoreThanRuan 2 ай бұрын

You answered your own question. Self interest. What every politician and party exist for. The people don’t feature. We need to get rid of this multi party system and replace parties with independent candidates.

@MichaelRobert Жыл бұрын

Charles states that the PA are willing to work with anyone. Surely you have to work with parties that have similar policies. Charles later goes on to say that want to work with people that have the same vision as them. What is that vision and who are the parties that share that vision?It’s difficult as a smaller party to drive your vision. What I get from this interview is that the PA are willing to do whatever serves their vision. So they trying to call the shots and are willing to change at the drop of a hat.

@rgee Жыл бұрын

They don't have a vision. That's why you can't find a manifesto anywhere. Even the EFF has a set of values that you can find online!

@tomsawyer4321 Жыл бұрын

The simple fact is that the DA are scared of the PA taking the colored vote in the Western Cape and as such are prepared to throw all of joburg under the bus to hold onto the WC. It’s immature schoolyard bully tactics and it could doom the country to total collapse. The DA are the kids that take their ball home if they dont get to be captain they have shown me as a former DA supporter that the DA are all about power not reform and I frankly find it hard to differentiate between the DA and the ANC, two sides of the same coin

@henryrossouw930 Жыл бұрын

The PA comes across as a party for the people by the people BUT they are at the same time willing to work with any party.That tells me that they are power drunk.I will vote for the party that has proven that they can govern and not for a party that makes promises and take a town as an example that they are ready to govern.I've said it before and will say it again that a vote for the PA is a vote for the ANC.

@Carmybabe82 Жыл бұрын

The vision is clear. Service and delivery. Doing it whole heartedly 👌

@sarenegue Жыл бұрын

Willing to be part of a pact that get rid of the ANC, but at the same time saying that they are willing to work with the ANC...flip flopping at its best

@clivematthews95 Жыл бұрын

That’s also what I got out of this. This is a very dishonest political party, with emphasis on “political”

@lesegoramasika5578 Жыл бұрын

Isn't the DA doing the same they did openly say they willing to go for a collusion with the ANC and yet they preach let's remove them

@quakesquakes618 Жыл бұрын

The DA also said they will work with the ANC so what is your stance ?

@sheryllowenthal6100 Жыл бұрын

@@quakesquakes618 Only if there is absolutely no alternative it wouldnt be their choice to help SA as ANC EFF partnership will be the end of SA. PA will flip flop whichever the wind blows - no values.

@WarrenFab Ай бұрын

The very nature of politics.

@indylwth2327 Жыл бұрын

I’ll change my perception when their actions match their words. Hasn’t happened yet.

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

I watched quite a few videos where Ive seen Gayton and PA at work allright. It is high time that there is unison for a change. I think it will be the first time post Apartheid that almost every person in this Country will change their mindset about how important it is to vote especially our coloured youth who are more for pleasure and lost interest in striving for a better future all because of Affirmative Action. I pray that the ANC and EFF will acknowledge the injustices they caused and allow Godly principles back into the Constitution. Its not too late for change. God gives second chances. We do not have many years left on this earth...JESUS IS COMING WITH A RUDE AWAKENING will we be found hating each other...killing and stealing??? Father God Almighty my prayer for this Country is "If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways I will hear from Heaven and will forgive their sins and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 4:7

@christinefinniss6263 Жыл бұрын

So Charles according to what you have just said, the PA sells itself to the highest bidder.

@TheHeatherFerguson Жыл бұрын

To comromise "the expedient acceptance of standards that are lower than is desirable." That is why I vote DA. The leadership is consistent with DA policy in decision making.

@rgee Жыл бұрын

You must get Gayton, Herman, and Helen into the same room and have them talk about the nonsense in JHB publicly.

@Jonathan_Strange Жыл бұрын

The _PA_ and _Action SA_ are fighting for survival - not the country.

@jozigalm8159 Жыл бұрын

If that's what you've pulled from this series of interviews, you need to get you brain checked.

@quakesquakes618 Жыл бұрын

Lol you talking nonsense, what survival are they fighting for? When they are eating into the DA's votes.

@martinengelbrecht5384 Жыл бұрын

Alec you are excellent at interviewing well done. Giving people space to express from the heart.

@tasneembashir4880 Жыл бұрын

We need a political debate (American style) with the PA, DA, FF+ and Action SA.

@herbtuck1481 Жыл бұрын

And guess who will be the biggest loser Helen zille she lies the truth will come out

@janettewillis7389 Жыл бұрын

100% Round table meeting open and no time on it. Just pure honesty and openess, let the people decide.

@stephstormcrow Жыл бұрын

I'm so sick of Gayton and the PA. They keep complaining about not getting their way instead of working to get the ANC out at all cost.

@sicelobangani8618 Жыл бұрын

Did u mean DA maybe?

@patrickjacobs8417 Жыл бұрын

We Coloureds not complaining.

@mornefloyddavids626 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir.

@fannycasteel7118 9 ай бұрын

This is again white priviledge wanting the PA to vote with the DA so THEY are ok... You make me sick with your selfishness!!!

@maxwellbosso3082 3 ай бұрын

You sound sick upstairs 😮😮

@martinengelbrecht5384 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Alec, I really don't want coalition parties to be supporting the ANC in any form what so ever.

@karldrogo9765 Жыл бұрын

Please vote ActionSA or FF+...Two parties that have shown can co-operate

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

@@karldrogo9765 If we continue to vote for small opposition parties, then the ANC will easily remain the largest political party in SA for some time to come and will continue to loot and destroy our beautiful country! We need to collectively vote for the second largest political party in SA, which is the Official Opposition or DA, in order to CLOSE the GAP on the ANC's electoral dominance in record time. It is as simple as that!

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

@@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964 Why don't you go?

@karldrogo9765 Жыл бұрын

The sky needs to fall for DA supporters to see their party for megalomaniacs that they are....it's shocking

@Neo_Rain146 Жыл бұрын

I wonder what is actually going thru the head of a PA voter right now. I’m assuming most are colored and identify with Gayton but are they really ok with him handing their votes to the ANC? They might as well vote ANC if he’s going to do that

@Neo_Rain146 Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry but in no reality, alternative or not, is working with the ANC acceptable. You are literally guilty by association. I don’t like the DA either but Atleast they can say they’ve never handed metros to the ANC who are basically a criminal syndicate at this point.

@antonioflorenca6086 Жыл бұрын

PA is a using it willingness to work with any party including the ANC, not because of principle or compromise, but as blackmail to the DA. PA doesn't negotiate in good faith, they are self-serving as are most politicians.

@Education7798 Жыл бұрын

@@antonioflorenca6086 I think you like many other people choose not to want to understand the PA’s mission it is to take its people to the political table where for many years they have been excluded now they do not care who sits at that table as long as they are there and have access to power that enables them to servers their constituency that is good enough So the big guns ANC and DA have been comfortable for too long and dictating who sits at the table and who does not never in their wildest dreams did they think a party like the PA and many others will be born to disturb the peace at that table and make them as uncomfortable as can be. I stand with the PA go with whoever is willing to share that power on that table. And while at that table expose the corruption that they are all guilty of.

@riyaazthomson9452 Жыл бұрын

So what do you say about DA who publicly stated that they would go into a national coalition government in 2024?

@clivematthews95 Жыл бұрын

Preach 👏🏾

@Neo_Rain146 Жыл бұрын

@@riyaazthomson9452 Firstly, they never said that. This time qoute what they said in context. Secondly up until this point they, Action SA, FF+ are the only major parties that haven’t served up metros to the ANC. Refute that

@AndrewMcFarlane_1 Жыл бұрын

PA definitely is the kingmaker from this but shows that in the end, their choice causes further destruction

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

The choice of what exactly...I cancel that in Jesus name. The tongue carries power. We are not tarot card readers

@AndrewMcFarlane_1 Жыл бұрын

@@onsbaizanie805 their choice in the ANC and EFF

@asotpan Жыл бұрын

As an impartial bystander after watching this podcast and that with Helen Zille it occurs to me that the political field in South Africa is see as just a game. The myriad of small paries such as the PA et al are like a bunch of children around a party table all wanting a slice of the party cake at the same time. The myriad parties in South Africa, they have a common enemy namely the ANC who has effectively destroyed South Africa, sundered families of all races, killed many directly and indirectly and caused joblesness never before seen in SA. Surely there must be common ground amongst the many parties to pull together to get rid of the ANC evil and care for the people instead of their own little party politics? Its about time that the petty differences as evidenced in this podcast be set aside in a common goal.

@null345 Жыл бұрын

Spot on. I think you're describing politics and state systems world-wide. All governments should be driven by altruism and maximizing quality of life. Yet I think as long as we continue to live under the system of capitalism (where the most optimal outcome is PROFIT and not quality of life), governments will continue to conduct themselves as if they are businesses. And business is ruthless, cutthroat, driven by self-interests, power, and so on. Business is about the bottom line. With all this said, I have no solid ideas as to how we could improve our political, economic and party systems

@fannycasteel7118 9 ай бұрын

No one is willing to see that the DA is the problem!! Everyone wants the coalition parties to just abandon their stance and do what the DA wants them to do. I am looking forward to another 4 years of the ANC and EFF in power!! Maybe then this white arrongance will be destroyed for good. I am already suffering and have nothing so for me, it does not matter which way this goes. However, my vote goes to the PA!!

@kobusvanstaden3747 Жыл бұрын

What are we to make of this? Did Helen Zille knowingly and blatantly lie about what happened? What comes out time and again is that the most stable alternative seems to be the FF+

@vik4741 Жыл бұрын

Yup. I think the next vote must be for parties that have proven to be able to work together. So I think votes should go to ActionSA and FF+. They seem to be rational and willing to compromise, while the DA pulls rank and can't work well with others

@GoldenproductsCoZaGNLDRSA Жыл бұрын

ActionSA puta down DA and DA puts down PA. PA 's vote is wasted supporting ANC. FF really seems to be the only honest, consistent party. 🤔

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

These interviews should be held with both parties present so that they can defend themselves.

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

The FF leader is a man of integrity yes but so is Gayton McKenzie who is young and vibrant and was shunned for serving the people in Karoo to the best of his ability but ince again people attach a stigma to his past mistakes which happened when he was 18. People must stop being judgemental and have their minds renewed. THE PA HAS VERY COMPETENT INDEPENDENT CO FINDERS LIKE KUNENE AND CHRIS. IT IS IMMATERIAL WHAT POLITICIANS VIEW IS OF GAYTON BECAUSE ITS ABOUT THE CITIZENS

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

@@GoldenproductsCoZaGNLDRSA so what do u say about DA wanting to work with ANC???? its the same thing

@joestevens3348 Жыл бұрын

The voters are desiring a firm stance on removing the cANCer from govt. and the PA to garner those votes MUST have a firm stance and not fence sitters looking for the best deal. The PA as with the DA has many good ideas and promises but what we need is a coalition that has one manifesto to rescue SA from the clutches of corrupt govt. and giving the disillusioned citizens a VISION and a strategy that will bring us out of the darkness that we have all been forced to share by the current despicable regime.

@saxon4065 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Alec/BusNews for your non bias platform. This whole thing is starting to look like feed time for the chickens, they will squabble more and more and not understand that the farmer is running out of food!

@stanphipps1650 Жыл бұрын

Here is a novel idea find the best candidate for the mayor for the sake of the country. Not for the party they are in.😢

@hannesbornman1045 Жыл бұрын

No principle only seats matter. You sir are why South Africa is broken

@clivematthews95 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@marynadewet4634 Жыл бұрын

Seems coalition politics will be more about politics than about serving the people.

@JohnVianneyPatron Жыл бұрын

20:06 is the smoking gun. Listen carefully. If he couldn't throw himself into another deal when they already had an active deal, why was he in the coalition talks in the first place?

@antonioflorenca6086 Жыл бұрын

That also struck a cord with me. Mercenaries going after the highest bidder.

@thomasgosling5155 Жыл бұрын

At no point does Charles talk about what is best for the residents of the city. Untrustworthy at best.

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

Read their policies ...time doesnt always allow the person being interviewed to speak about everything

@robbieknezovich4400 Жыл бұрын

I would be inclined to say the same about Helen ZIlle

@robbieknezovich4400 Жыл бұрын

I am done with her total arrogance for everyone, especially the voters. Her comments about the voters in arears where she does not get her way, are appalling, insolent and arrogant at best

@thomasgosling5155 Жыл бұрын

@@robbieknezovich4400 I disagree, she has mentioned the residents in many of her interviews.

@riyaazthomson9452 Жыл бұрын

@@thomasgosling5155 but not in this one. PA leadership talks about their voters and residents in other interviews as well

@maseratifittipaldi Жыл бұрын

That is the problem with our opposition politics : It is all about individuals. Look at it this way: On the "bad" side there is only ANC/EFF ( United). On the "good" side there is a plethora of individuals vying for power. (Divided). This is a sure-fire way for the "Bad" to win...."Divide and rule".

@katiewolfaardt Жыл бұрын

South Africa is politics for good or BAD resonates for me in everything that has gone wrong. Everything is about next years election and never about public service. So sad.

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

See " Chris Pappas : The KZN mayor who threatens the ANC" Daily Maverick.

@selloc7433 Жыл бұрын

@ ALEC HOGG - Excellent interview and credit for all the other great political interviews featured here Apart from just a perspective on business you have also brought the right people to clear up the smokescreen As mentioned in your intro, we all know Gayton and his energy. This is the first time I hear that Charles Cilliers is a Co founder of the PA. Which ever way you see it this interview will propel the PA Charles Cilliers has demonstrated great poise, highly intelligent and intoxicatingly articulate No doubt they will provide an alternative Would like to see them work more closer with Action SA to build something many South Africans will gravitate to

@viviennearnot Жыл бұрын

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@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

@ Sello C Our country is in very deep crises on many different levels and the PA has zero experienc or capability to solve these complex problems!! We need a strong DA for a better future for our broken country and for our children's future!!

@selloc7433 Жыл бұрын

@@tonitappous2422 I agree totally our country is in a crisis . But the reality is that the DA has failed to show leadership. Good leaders are also good listeners and display humility. Arrogance and entitlement are qualities that don’t foster success. The DA only wants to be involved exclusively on their terms They keep talking about them been the larger opposition , a position that may change come the next election. It’s the Voters that give any party a mandate. Listening to Cilliers and Mackenzie and Mashaba - there is no doubt that they appeal to a much broader population demographic .

@willemschipper7680 Жыл бұрын

What a weak leader. Real fence sitter. Would not align myself that will sell anyone out to gain personal power

@christinefinniss6263 Жыл бұрын

Voting PA is basically voting ANC.

@Education7798 Жыл бұрын

Working together does not necessarily mean liking each other or agreeing to everything it is compromise for the good of the tasks at hand

@stblad3 Жыл бұрын

So you are going to work with anyone that has seats. So it is not about the voters or turning the country around, it is about what jobs you can get in the process.

@clivematthews95 Жыл бұрын

The problem is dealing with someone you can’t trust. Charles tries his best to come as reasonable and willing to compromise, while at the same time insisting he’s working with all parties but wishes to dethrone ANC but also thinks other parties are not strong enough for them to partner with unless the DA joins in, but at the same time, PA and EFF never got along there’s always been bad blood between them. There’s so many self-contradicting statements in that response. Your position is not clear and elusive and that works in your favor as that is what you desire. Your attempt at clarifying failed spectacularly. You’re a very dishonest party, and I wanted to give you a chance and, until now, give you the benefit of the doubt. You can the stick with the partnership you have with the ruling party because, as you say, that’s your biggest bargaining chip. You’ll get served greatly by that, but you can’t insist you’re trying to help rid this country of corruption, and you clearly are the antithesis of good faith negotiation

@henryrossouw930 Жыл бұрын

I could not have said it better.Charles is a lier.Period.

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

There has always been bad blood berween ANC and EFF as well and no other party supports the EFF unless ofcourse they are forced to join forces like Zuma did

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

It amazes me how you have drawn your conclusion without giving them a chance...why are they then the fastest growing Party???

@rgee Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@rgee Жыл бұрын

@@onsbaizanie805 Where is the evidence that they are the fastest growing party? Do you believe that just because the PA and Gayton say so?

@FinancialConsultdotcodotza Жыл бұрын

These politicians will say anything to keep their pot cooking

@hlvaneeden Жыл бұрын

Is "We are willing to work with anybody" just another way of saying "We have no principles" or "We have no policy" or "Our vote goes to the highest bidder"?

@sheryllowenthal6100 Жыл бұрын

Precisley PA are never to be trusted

@chris123457839 Жыл бұрын

Amen

@fannycasteel7118 9 ай бұрын

You are probably white !! Only a white man trying to save his comfy life would want the PA to stop helping the poorest of the poor and do what the DA wants!! The DA and ANC are the same!! They ONLY look after wealthy people...

@adrianincapetown7043 Жыл бұрын

Does being "willing to work with anyone" actually mean "willing to work with whoever gives them the best deal" while they "wag the dog"

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

Yes it can work once people put their differences aside🙄

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT THE MAJORITY OF POLITICIANS AND PARTY MEMBERS ARE ADAMANT THAT COLOUREDS SHOULD CONTINUE BEING THEIR PUPPETS ON A STRING WELL ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!! GOD US IN FAVOUR AND WE CLAIM THAT MAYORAL POSITION FOR PA IN JESUS NAME👏👏👏👌

@conniesaayman5038 Жыл бұрын

Charles Cilliers there is nothing strange about it, you are playing the game of politics, forgetting you are there for the issues at hand, SA in crisis, you play with your votes with parties with NO governence track record.

@hannesbornman1045 Жыл бұрын

What you mean is that if you can't have a mayor that you can influence you would rather have the ANC who you can influence. All this other nonsense doesn't fool anyone

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

If we continue to vote for small opposition parties, then the ANC will easily remain the largest political party in SA for some time to come, and will continue to loot and destroy our beautiful country! We need to close the gap on the ANC 'selectoral dominance by collectively voting for the second largest political party in SA, which is the Official Opposition or DA! It truly is that simple!! See " Leon Schreiber: DA now draws the most support in urban SA ", Businesslive.

@Gen_X Жыл бұрын

I would normally agree with you but after listening to Alex's interview, I think though Helen has SA's best interest's at heart, she also "rubs people the wrong way". Being highly principled is a wonderful trait, but it can also cost you a lot. In this case it may just be the downfall of the DA.

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

@@Gen_X But you are not voting for an individual , your vote is for the political party! The DA, more than any other political party in SA, has an .mpressive 10 year track record of honest , very capable and experienced municipalities and governments across the country. This is exactly what our broken country needs to get it out of the very deep and complex crises it faces on very many levels!! Without a strong DA, things will only deteriorate further! The DA difference is best seen where the DA governs with a firm mandate eg Western Cape Government,, numerous Western Cape Municipalities, Midvaall in Gauteng, Kouga in the Eastern Cape and more recently, uMngeni in KZN. See " Chris Pappas : The KZN mayor who threatens the ANC ", Daily Maverick.

@Gen_X Жыл бұрын

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. (I'm very impressed with Chris Papass etc.) But you need to understand the electorate we are dealing with and unfortunately Zille has become synonymous with the DA Parties such as the PA and Action SA are going to emphasize that to the key voters in Western Cape...Mitchells Plein and Jhb etc.

@sheryllowenthal6100 Жыл бұрын

@@Gen_X people need a scape goat someone to blame. Helen is an easy target. Truthe be told she is strong determined and principled and brilliant.

@basilrichards4205 Жыл бұрын

Cilliers sounds unprincipled

@stanphipps1650 Жыл бұрын

Seems like anybody will work with anybody for seats not for the right people

@arleneselby6202 Жыл бұрын

Pls invite UIM (Neil de Beer) - have a chat with him.

@alutacontinua725 Жыл бұрын

On a trip to Turkey a tour guide explained the same thing to us about the opposition being at war with each other, and after every election Erdogan goes to Ankara, gets on the podium and thanks the opposition for his victory 😮nuff said😮

@vetpara Жыл бұрын

No doubts about who the new kingmakers are in SA politics.

@jonye7511 Жыл бұрын

When former bank robber and a fraudster can be considered political kingmakers then you know how low the country's morality has sunk. Time served does not change the inherent opportunistic nature of such individuals. But then again one can see that they would appeal to and target a specific demographic within the coloured community only.

@Carmybabe82 Жыл бұрын

So no one can get a second chance. DA and ANC are stealing money and getting away with.

@christianlnair9274 Жыл бұрын

This issue is common-sense... It is a matter of principle... Whether the coalition partners agree with each other on positions or note ... the red-line ... is voting with the ANC. It's clear as day ... PA are only interested in positions ... it doesn't have 1 bone of principle principle ... but the fact they keep on voting with the ANC and EFF ... yet they claim to be one of the most vocal critics of the ANC. Kunene even recently summoned the ancestors to curse the ANC ... and then you vote with them... A leopard never changes its spot...

@xinyorixahumba6307 Жыл бұрын

Politics is clearly about power not principles. The sooner we accept that the more peace we'll have as a populace

@vik4741 Жыл бұрын

But the DA also said that they will work with the ANC, what do you say about that?

@christinefinniss6263 Жыл бұрын

Yes Charles Cilliers. don't go into a coalition with other parties, go it alone. See how long the PA stays alive. LMAO.

@duppiedupreez2111 Жыл бұрын

So just a ANC puppet then.

@issabellafourie5210 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this interview Alec Hogg 29:38 . A good politician that wants what's best for SA vs a good politician that wants to be a bully. As much as i do not want the ANC or EFF to be supported, i know that bullies should also not be supported. Thank you to brilliant minds like Charles from the PA and Michael from ASA and thank you to Frans Cronje for his input in an earlier interview. I am hopeful that come 2024, there will be a positive shift and that all of SA will benefit.

@christophervan6966 Жыл бұрын

The non ANC/EFF group is like a bunch who just won the lotto and now are squabbling about whose car to use to go cash it in.

@nicoperreira4698 Жыл бұрын

Ag shame, ek gaan my nie laat boelie nie. Ons sal eerder SA laat ondergaan

@spy2sa54 Жыл бұрын

I thought the PA was founded by two people.. Where has this guy been 😮

@sbumas3218 Жыл бұрын

The owners are coming out.

@Neo_Rain146 Жыл бұрын

Yeah there seems to be some white guy behind all these parties and a black puppet for the audience

@jonye7511 Жыл бұрын

These opportunist political parties all have the white or the Indian guy to think for them in the background. This guy has been in the background for many years ghostwriting GM's thrilling tell all biographies.

@herbtuck1481 Жыл бұрын

@@jonye7511 that’s the problem your racist thinking must have a Indian or white when muzi was the leader of the DA did you think that way

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

@@jonye7511 that's utter bull! Coloured people are born brilliant ...wisdom is better than knowledge

@evelyngoeieman564 Жыл бұрын

The truth is the best part of a God fearing human being.Thanks for the clarification.... Leader Charles.Your integrity can be felt.Proud of you ....we are really led in the Patriot Alliance 💚💚🇿🇦🇿🇦

@caspersteenkamp6912 Жыл бұрын

Integrity? He said it himself. "We will work with anyone". Regardless of principles? And then they choose to put the ANC and EFF in charge.

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

@@caspersteenkamp6912 if u were in his shoes how would you go about it. PA had no other choice but I firmly blve PA knows what they are doing and I also know Gayrin will be the mayor of JHB

@rgee Жыл бұрын

Why vote for the PA? Skip out the middleman and vote for the ANC instead.

@rgee Жыл бұрын

@@onsbaizanie805 IF the PA had voters interests at heart they would put the rainbow coalition into power and accept whatever positions they got as a small party. This would allow the people of JHB to get a good deal (not just the PA leadership) and the PA could then work on growing their support base. Instead the leadership is cutting deals that does not benefit SA citizens and their voters, but only the PA leadership. PA had no other choice? Far from it.

@onsbaizanie805 Жыл бұрын

@@rgee THE PA IS THE ONLY PARTY FOR OUR COLOUREDS WE WERE THE UNDERDOG FOR TOO LONG...IDC HOW MANY SEATS THEY GET BUT THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE THE STRONGEST PARTY WITH COLOURED VOTERS. THE DA HAS HAD THEIR CHANCE...THE COLOUREDS DO NOT TRUST ANY OTHER PARTY ESPECIALLY NOT DA. IF THE DA DIDNT SHUN THE PA IT WOULD'VE WORKED BUT SORRY U CANNOT CONVINCE US OTHERWISE...IM STARTING TO REACH OUT TO ALL COLOUREDS THAT I KNOW!!! MUSLIMS INCLUDED. GAYTON MCKENZIE HOLDS ALL THE CARDS...THE KING👑MAKER!!! ANOINTED AND APPOINTED BY GOD

@rdo1824 Жыл бұрын

Dear Alec Hogg, thank you for providing the platform and facilitating these crucial conversations about the future of our beloved country. Who are the real leaders who will find each other and work out the answers to this puzzle and make it work in the jungle of Real South African Politics? Question/observation: Are we stuck between an intransigent DA leadership and a PA leadership who are on all sides of many fences? It seems that the Helen Zille aka the DA "Fedex" are stuck in their strategic dogma. Simply put, the DA is blowing chance after chance because they cannot connect at a leadership level to the reality of how to deal authentically and humanly with its potential partners. Instead of a "moonshot pact" we have the DA again executing its own "footshot". (With apologies, I couldn't resist). This shows a tragic leadership deficit, a blind spot to their own deficiencies. In a previous Alec Hogg interview, Helen Zille spoke emphatically about their values and strategy. It was impressive from that perspective. Strategy is indeed crucial. So is execution though. It occurred to me then that whilst strategy is a DA strength, the weakness appears to be in working with the very leaders one needs to, for real life execution of that strategy. It sounded good, with one flaw: they can't do it on their own! The reality is, it is not "my way or the highway". Where is the Helen Zille who worked from within to build and hold together the Cape Town coalitions? Now she seems to be calling the shots without even attending the crucial meetings. Is this a time to bask in former glory, to extrapolate past successes in different situations? Toughness is needed. Values and principles are vital. What about flexibility of attitude to get things to work? This seeming arrogance has been expressed by many opposition leaders during the current discourse, some ex DA. Lindiwe Mazibuko, Mmusi Maimane, Herman Mashaba, the list goes on, of disenchanted, alienated ex DA leaders, many now smaller party opposition leaders who won't be pushed around. Is this perhaps a fatal flaw from a DA leadership perspective? It has national repercussions-for 2024 and more. One definition of leadership is simply this: influence. Communicating, working to find the other. Stephen Covey defined it so "Seek first to understand, then to be understood"* Why is it that the DA leadership continues to publicly demonstrate its inability to embrace South Africans of diverse cultures at leadership level? I say culture to deliberately avoid the "r" word. Surely real leaders don't only have strategies, calling the shots from their "Fedex" tower? Don't they have to work in the trenches too? Or is this is a snapshot of a future DA authoritarianism? Hint: South Africans of all backgrounds have had generations of authoritarianism, they are gatvol. For so many of us, the DA is the benchmark for the type of effective government that we need. We see it in Cape Town of course, with gratitude. Surely some magnanimity is needed now? In the ironic words of a former apartheid era leader who shall remain nameless: "The alternative is too ghastly to contemplate". At this moment, day by day, the ANC "revolution" clings to and pursues its centrist/national socialist/marxist policies influenced by its old-and old style-leadership, to the destruction of our society, to whit the economy, education, healthcare, foreign policy, transport, infrastructure, energy, mining, "state owned entities" etc etc. Step up -asseblief! RDO * Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, Stephen Covey. Dogmatically, such a book should be compulsory learning for every South African parliamentarian.

@bobbyrgs Жыл бұрын

Get all these political parties in a debate like in the States. And have a crowd where they can see the lives their games are influencing

@grahamterblanche4179 Жыл бұрын

As the old saying goes, better the devil you known then the one you don't : as all the little want to be devil's are squabbling like pack wolves the devil himself is sitting laughing with his minime at the hole lot : time to find common ground and build on a strong coalition so as to change the current set of destruction to a set of rebuilding what is call south Africa, all for one and one for all, no color no race no tribe no class just South Africans, we have made mistakes in the past and will surely make in the future but let's make the as South Africans together as we build a brighter future for all : 👍🏿👍🏾👍🏽👍🏻 : God heal our land and bless it's people : Amen 🕊 ❤️ ons ver jou Suid-Afrika 🇿🇦

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed! See " Chris Pappas: the The KZN mayor who threatens the ANC ", Daily Maverick.

@riaweideman6719 Жыл бұрын

I will NEVER vote for the PA and will discourage anyone else to do so. How on bloody earth can you even think to side with the enemy of our country!!!

@vik4741 Жыл бұрын

But the DA has come out publicly and said that they would form a coalition with the ANC

@stevious Жыл бұрын

@@vik4741 But they never have actually done it, actions speak louder than words, PA talk all over the place but the fact remains they're in several coalitions with anc and have tanked several of the DA ones.

@vik4741 Жыл бұрын

@@stevious you're not making a point there mate. You try so hard to separate the two, but they are both saying the same thing. And the DA will get into a coalition with the ANC. I wonder what you will say then

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

@@stevious The ONLY time the DA might go into coalition with what is left of the ' good' ANC (should that party split) is as a very LAST RESORT post the 2024 general election, if doing so would SAVE SA from otherwise facing an ANC/EFF Doomsday Pact !! In such an event, the interests of SA as a country would be placed before the interests of the DA as a political party, as a type of selfless ' sacrifice' for a better future for SA and all of its citizens!! The PA on the other hands flip flops on a daily basis based on its own selfish interests. Do you see the difference now?

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

Sorry, meant for vik!

@tonitappous2422 Жыл бұрын

So you won't be pushed around by a ' big brother' , you would rather flip flop, stab in the back and betray!! No thanks!

@douglasmetcalf390 Жыл бұрын

I think that the DA has read this position correctly. The ANC is manipulating the PA in the leverage of all the other councils where they have agreements. To save SA citizens , we need less Government and more free market principles. One group wants to control us e.g ANC -EFF and others, while the other group promises us a better free market type solution with more personal freedom. Where does your chosen party stand ?

@7m226 Жыл бұрын

Why not make these “negotiations” public? Record these meetings and release them after municipal elections?

@mossfairy3060 Жыл бұрын

It's sounds like you are playing games ffs just do the right thing and vote someone who isn't going to be a puppet. Put your egos aside. Voting with ANC so they can govern again is total madness

@veronicamorgan7064 Жыл бұрын

This is ridiculous! We the Johannesburg people just want the best major for the job! This has really put me off the PA! The PA must fall!

@philipcowie2478 Жыл бұрын

ANC showed what happens when Criminals and WMC comes together and here it happens again

@johankruger9507 Жыл бұрын

The Guptas are White,.....well I never!!

@davidmcfarlane5873 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Alec,PA policy statement reads free market conditions without rampant capitalism,free market means no govt.interference in supply and demand,free market capitalism is the same thing,only thing rampant about capitalism is govt.interference.

@adrianincapetown7043 Жыл бұрын

So, what does the PA actually stand for, and what is that vision?

@sheryllowenthal6100 Жыл бұрын

all pA are conecrened with is power they have no principles or values they dont care about the people

@johannpotgieter9343 Жыл бұрын

South Africa is broken down because of the anc and still you supoort them get your act together

@etiennejoubert7461 Жыл бұрын

Your interview clarified some of the assertions made by Helen Zille during your interview. Thanks for a good interview Alec. I believe that coalition governance is fraught with risk. I cannot see another way out of the current ANC stranglehold on SA and its future though.

@GavinTremble Жыл бұрын

"Work with any party".... strange!!!

@vik4741 Жыл бұрын

Well if they didn't do that, they wouldn't have gotten mayorship on the Central Karoo and they might not have been growing this quickly. So all in all, it kind of has worked out for them

@herbtuck1481 Жыл бұрын

Helen zille said the DA will work with the ANC it’s alright when the DA does it die tyd van gee my baas is verby

@rodfranks648 Жыл бұрын

That ultimately is the objective of coalitions... What is best for the people and move away from the camps

@garagepie Жыл бұрын

No one cares what he says. The PA gave us again an ANC EFF Jhb, and that is a BAD thing! We know 100% that Jhb will not be fixed under this! So rather just forget all your stories!

@Gen_X Жыл бұрын

I like Charles's approach... "Confident humility", which I think is where Helen Zille comes up short. She's a great politician but comes across as arrogant, when expressing herself. I can see why she and Gayton do not get along. Helen needs to change her approach, she needs to understand the majority of South Africans and politicians are not intellectuals in the Thabo Mbeki mould. I also respect Charles for using the words "shared blame" whereas the DA never apologizes. An apology is necessary not only when you are wrong but also when you misunderstood something and reacted incorrectly.

@micahmclaughlin9677 Жыл бұрын

Action speaks louder than words PA. Fly a kite

@quintindavis7 Жыл бұрын

Charles and his cabal, are having fun playing political games. While the victims of their charade is the residents of Johannesburg. You reap what you sow... I hope people realise this in 2024 and 2026.

@jedronemos3118 Жыл бұрын

What a disgusting revelation of Horse Trading while the City of my Birth crumbles. All about The Party . Not about The Residents. What smugness.

@chambersandson Жыл бұрын

This fellow reminds me of a sneaky Survivor contestant. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him

@deniscoyne5671 Жыл бұрын

What is best for the citizens ?

@mjmaster3456 2 ай бұрын

It must scare the ANC, DA and especially the EFF, to see the smaller parties are really rising. Partnership between PA and Action SA would be a force to look out for. I am sure the ANC can feel the heat in the kitchen. The DA should really forget about managing JOBURG! ANC and DA had there chance.

@GavinTremble Жыл бұрын

Another important observation about this continued political fighting in Gauteng is a power struggle... Its very obvious that PA & ASA want equality with DA in coalitions... and the playing field is not equal... DA has been in existence for many years and have tons of coalition experience... DA manage about 17 coalitions in other parts of the country. PA & ASA are new start-ups, haven't competed in national elections, but want equal power in coalitions. So maybe they are intimidated by the DA. They don't share the same values. A united front will not happen for opposition parties...

@marc_kotze Жыл бұрын

great interview

@tearyb Жыл бұрын

Gayton should let Cilliers be his spokesman in interviews like this, as he comes across clearly and intellectually. He is on a par with Helen whereas Gayton, unfortunately because of lack of a good education, thru no fault of his own, is probably a good leader but not a great speaker.

@quakesquakes618 Жыл бұрын

At least Gayton can build 100million dollar companies, what has Hellen done lol?

@hannesbornman1045 Жыл бұрын

Full of it mate you are full of it

@RG-jr8ym Жыл бұрын

So its confirmed that he'll work with any party including the ANC that gives them seats...this is where Helen differs. She'll not work with the ANC and the EFF and now the PA.

@karldrogo9765 Жыл бұрын

Helen has stated they would go into coalition with the ANC....she made this clear at their elective conference. Where were you?

@rgee Жыл бұрын

@@karldrogo9765 Made it clear? They said it was one of their worst choices and they would prefer to avoid it if possible. Where were you?

@karldrogo9765 Жыл бұрын

@@rgee no they said an EFF/ANC is the worst choice and would go into coalition with the ANC to prevent that. Great spin for wanting to take the short-cut to the union buildings. The strategy is simple, be in a unity government with the fools for one term and HOPEFULLY get a mandate to govern the next term. How do they think they will contain the ANC with their underhanded shenanigans like murdering people for positions? That plan to enter the union buildings via the backdoor will backfire

@roryfreeman9433 Жыл бұрын

I've seen enough good nite

@cShell4488 Жыл бұрын

My perception remains unchanged, thanks 👍🏻

@charlrichardengelbrecht5269 Жыл бұрын

Definitely did not change my perceptions, in fact he convinced me that they are correct.

@voertsek8404 Жыл бұрын

Musical chairs…. Welcome to South Africa You need a revolution 🇦🇺

@antonioflorenca6086 Жыл бұрын

Musical chairs is the revolution... going round and round in circles

@onsafari Жыл бұрын

Winston Churchill too was a journalist first.

@alistairgoodall2599 Жыл бұрын

Charles, with respect, PA had a choice and decided AnC, its clear you want a better deal and the AnC with give into your demands.

@pierremarcdevilliers3145 Жыл бұрын

This interview has left me totally perplexed by the total lack of urgency of ridding SA of the cANCer! It's all a game to them and what they can get out of it....can we not unite against a common evil just once in our lives for peet sake :(

@la-juanpersens7313 Жыл бұрын

My vote is going to the PA.The WC coloured vote will go in large numbers to the PA.

@vik4741 Жыл бұрын

I hope they do. This might be the only way to humble the DA and get them to play nice with others

@liveinwisdom3610 Жыл бұрын

Please do. It really makes no sense, why you allow a minority, to govern, when you have a majority. Get some self-esteem, and stop being under your master. No reason why coloureds should not be in charge of Western Cape.

@childofgod8148 Жыл бұрын

The DA needs to be humbled, badly!

@ash9744 Жыл бұрын

Which coloureds do you speak on behalf of. I certainly wont waste my vote on a party who will just give power to the anc as the PA has done in Knysna and as Gayton is planning to do now in Beaufort West when he relinquishes his position.

@la-juanpersens7313 Жыл бұрын

@@ash9744 My sentiments is of course based on the outcomes of recent by election results across the WC.The DA will loose some of its traditional coloured voter base to the PA.

@q.d.olivier4947 Жыл бұрын

At this point coalitions seem to be collisions rather. Politics is not the answer. Get skilled business people to manage and run the country??

@johankruger9507 Жыл бұрын

Like Marcus Jooste from Steinhoff?

@q.d.olivier4947 Жыл бұрын

No, I said skilled businessmen, referring to people like Rob Hersov, Vusi Thembekwayo and many others who has the vision to make this country beautiful again.

@clintonpikaan2258 Жыл бұрын

Eccentric wow the record is been set straight out of the mouth of one who really represents the PA in the conversation in Joburg not Helen but Cilliers