The Feud of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford | 1963: Pt. 2

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Be Kind Rewind

Be Kind Rewind

4 жыл бұрын

In this video, I take a look at Bette Davis and Joan Crawford's relationship (or lack thereof) and its implications on the 1963 Best Actress race. I also give Ryan Murphy's Feud a "big ol' mess" out of 10, and make the case for realistically portraying the feud in the future.
Part 1: • Joan Crawford Accepts ...
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@noellawson41
@noellawson41 4 жыл бұрын
ALMOST 50 MINUTES!? You're spoiling us & i am here for it all.
@meritofapproval
@meritofapproval 4 жыл бұрын
I know!!! 🎥👍🏾
@senguptasayn
@senguptasayn 4 жыл бұрын
100% correct.My thoughts exactly!
4 жыл бұрын
This is a documentary!
@nasb2218
@nasb2218 4 жыл бұрын
yeeeeeeeeeeees
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 4 жыл бұрын
Twenty-five minutes per actress is fair.
@tylerkochman1007
@tylerkochman1007 4 жыл бұрын
just saying, if Joan supposedly had enough pull to stop Bette from winning, pretty sure she would have had enough pull to have gotten herself nominated in the first place
@tylerkochman1007
@tylerkochman1007 4 жыл бұрын
I just got to 40:20 and am thrilled that they nearly make the same exact point I did!!
@randomchance7796
@randomchance7796 4 жыл бұрын
Has it occurred to anyone that they could have agreed beforehand on the possibility of Joan's Oscar acceptance as a publicity stunt for both of them? It definitely worked for both of them.
@tylerkochman1007
@tylerkochman1007 4 жыл бұрын
@Chrysaura It's a forty-something minute video, and she says it more than forty minutes in. I commented before I got to that part, and later commented that she had said nearly the same thing I had as soon as I noticed. This is an instance of parallel thinking. When you accuse things that lacks sexism of being sexist, you minimize the actual seriousness of sexism in our society.
@kerrychristensen7204
@kerrychristensen7204 4 жыл бұрын
@@tylerkochman1007 👍 it was a bit of a hair trigger there really
@Garsons-oq4lh
@Garsons-oq4lh 4 жыл бұрын
@Jarred Knox There is no evidence that Joan swayed votes. Bette would go on about how Joan told the New York nominees not to vote for her. But this was stated (and often repeated) only when Joan had passed away years earlier.
@jeremyud
@jeremyud 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, this needs to be said- Joan Crawford would have never, ever, EVER walked out of a fan event like they showed her doing on Feud. This was a woman who personally autographed all of her photos, especially towards the end of her career.
@maggiekarabel123
@maggiekarabel123 2 жыл бұрын
She lived and died for her fans. She signed all responses to fan letters herself. It really took me out of the show because there’s NO WAY that happened.
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 2 жыл бұрын
Feud is just over dramatic trash.
@maggiekarabel123
@maggiekarabel123 2 жыл бұрын
@@PungiFungi I thought the performances were good, although Susan Sarandon was a bit lacking. It just bothers me that this was all presented as truth when it wasn’t. Good for Olivia de Havilland for fighting back.
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 2 жыл бұрын
@@maggiekarabel123 I think all these actresses would take umbrage on how they were "powerless" because there were no "women's rights" back then. Revisionist history trash.
@maggiekarabel123
@maggiekarabel123 2 жыл бұрын
@@PungiFungi I agree it’s just that Olivia was the only one still alive. Joan Crawford would NOT have approved.
@caaronjolras
@caaronjolras 2 жыл бұрын
ryan murphy's works seem like he just likes the aesthetic of certain eras/stars and knows some basic facts and myths about them and tries to frame everything as historically accurate
@miz_logo_lee
@miz_logo_lee 2 жыл бұрын
My take on Murphy is he is the most high profile fan fiction writer. (Perhaps excluding Tarantino).
@douglasfreer
@douglasfreer 2 жыл бұрын
It also seems like it’s about the legend itself over presenting the facts.
@sickheadache9903
@sickheadache9903 2 жыл бұрын
It was TV Trash at its Worst.
@valsainking
@valsainking 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's really a shame that a gay industry person, who one would suspect/expect would have a uniquely sensitive and nuanced perspective and affinity for portraying women's issues with empathy and depth, ultimately fell for every possible misogynistic and sensationalist (and often misinformed) cliché. 🥺 However, this video does something no other has been able to do: It takes no sides and presents these two women's strengths and flaws in equal measure, thereby humanizing them to a refreshing extent. I actually came away with renewed respect for both, and, while I am primarily a Crawford fanatic, I also appreciate Davis' pioneering cause and fully recognize the monumental misogynistic obstacles both she and Joan were forced to struggle against throughout their long careers. The only thing about Davis that irks me is the petty nature of her treatment of Joan on the set of "Sweet Charlotte" and the ridiculous lies she spread about Joan decades after that fateful 1963 Oscars ceremony, especially years after Joan's own death, a fact which not only cast unfounded aspersions on Joan, but also overshadowed Miss Bancroft's enormous achievement as the rightful winner of the Best Actress Award in 1963.
@sickheadache9903
@sickheadache9903 2 жыл бұрын
@@valsainking it was even on TMC with Robert Osborne who said That Both Davis and Crawford were 100% Professional and Nothing Happened on the Set of Baby Jane..Now after the shoot it was those bitches Hedda Harper and Louella Parsons who wrote BS to drum up more viewers to their Rag Papers. And if it was the his truly endless BS between two Aging Had Beens, Crawford and Davis would not agreed to do Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte. This BS TV Program made it look like Bette Davis and Joan Crawford could not FART without this Over Dramatic Bitches going into a Tizzy. It was truly Trashy TV..and Didn’t win any major Emmy awards( They all saw through the trash)!
@pimd6998
@pimd6998 4 жыл бұрын
You mean all this time they could have been friends?
@monmothma3358
@monmothma3358 4 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there... :)
@mrkinla
@mrkinla 4 жыл бұрын
😀
@aweeks062
@aweeks062 4 жыл бұрын
I legit read this lne in the voice lol. Thanks! Your awesome :)
@gaden74
@gaden74 4 жыл бұрын
Ashley Ashley Bobashley I did too lol
@mylifeisaparty
@mylifeisaparty 4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Cheyne_TetraMFG
@Cheyne_TetraMFG 4 жыл бұрын
Yo the clip of Bette Davis saying "c'mon Oscar, let's you and me get drunk" needs to become a meme yesterday
@jeanettewyatt9525
@jeanettewyatt9525 3 жыл бұрын
that part is hilarious. and i would use that that meme!
@riqrimoli
@riqrimoli Ай бұрын
iconic
@chrisgaga6970
@chrisgaga6970 3 жыл бұрын
And it took 58 years for a lone youtuber to finally disillusion the feud. They would've appreciate your efforts.
@Yourmomgoestocolledge
@Yourmomgoestocolledge 11 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 I don't think you know who these people are. They'd have never recognized anyone on youtube.
@brahmabkitty03
@brahmabkitty03 9 ай бұрын
@@Yourmomgoestocolledgeever! They wouldn’t have done well with these technological advances
@user-sn5jr1ji9h
@user-sn5jr1ji9h 3 жыл бұрын
Joan Crawford accepting the Oscar on Anne Bancroft's behalf was an absolute savage move.
@harperstacey9604
@harperstacey9604 3 жыл бұрын
Bette davis was full of rage when that happened.
@JaneDoe-uy8yk
@JaneDoe-uy8yk 2 жыл бұрын
@@harperstacey9604 😲😲
@pbohearn
@pbohearn 2 жыл бұрын
I love her! Hahahaha
@ralphkramden2089
@ralphkramden2089 2 жыл бұрын
It was AWESOME! Joan was no dummy!
@judyanne3563
@judyanne3563 2 жыл бұрын
@@lindahayes7628 what?????
@barrymoton1
@barrymoton1 4 жыл бұрын
"Before we used them as proxies for the itch that reality shows exist to scratch." Wow, such a powerful and true statement.
@HelloHello-tm7uc
@HelloHello-tm7uc 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I couldn't have ever said it any better!
@mrkinla
@mrkinla 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, Barry. Excellent observation.
@hellothere5579
@hellothere5579 3 жыл бұрын
Dont know what that mean
@SpiritGirlSF
@SpiritGirlSF 3 жыл бұрын
Just like Joan being known for her gender fluidity....
@alexwhite5579
@alexwhite5579 3 жыл бұрын
@@HelloHello-tm7uc lllll k
@jlcii
@jlcii 4 жыл бұрын
Learning more about Bette Davis makes me love her even more. She was such a damn Pioneer and strong woman. Absolute Legend...
@abandonedfragmentofhope5415
@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 4 жыл бұрын
This along with making me learn to love and respect Bette Davis it has also done the same for Joan Crawford for me.
@bvaldes3703
@bvaldes3703 4 жыл бұрын
I stan here and resent a lot not living in the same timline as her
@abandonedfragmentofhope5415
@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 4 жыл бұрын
@@bvaldes3703 I feel the same about Greta Garbo. I was born 5 years after her death.
@JudgeJulieLit
@JudgeJulieLit 3 жыл бұрын
Bette and Olivia de Havilland.
@JudgeJulieLit
@JudgeJulieLit 3 жыл бұрын
@Jarred Knox *appreciated
@Dropitlikeitshotspot
@Dropitlikeitshotspot Жыл бұрын
I so appreciate your inclusion of Murphy’s incorrect characterizations. As a former history major, I personally think it’s imperative that at least the majority of the truth is available when it comes to these filterless, flawless, truly talented artists of the past. With technology seeming to take over creativity, I feel it’s vital.
@franklinstephen3268
@franklinstephen3268 Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I came across your comment and I just had to reach out and say hi. Your perspective really caught my attention and I would love to get to know you better. Would you be interested in chatting sometime? Looking forward to hearing back from you!😊
@cdedberry
@cdedberry 3 ай бұрын
He is being creative duh
@angelcitystudio
@angelcitystudio 9 ай бұрын
WAY TO GO Bette and Joan! 60 years later and we are STILL talking about you.
@Kurtperry41
@Kurtperry41 4 жыл бұрын
“Joan Crawford Meme Account” these are words I never thought I’d hear together
@phoenixfritzinger9185
@phoenixfritzinger9185 4 жыл бұрын
I did find one on Instagram a while back but it was more like a Mommie Dearest meme account
@TheDRMISTERY
@TheDRMISTERY 3 жыл бұрын
26:18 They're hysterical! :)
@Chris-ot9bk
@Chris-ot9bk 3 жыл бұрын
The Fact That A Joan Crawford Meme Account Is Real And Ryan Murphy Used A Meme In His Movie, Thinking It Was Fact Is Hilarious To Me
@thewordshifter
@thewordshifter 4 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most underrated channels on KZfaq. How do you not have 10 million subscribers.
@evanseago2301
@evanseago2301 4 жыл бұрын
I know right?!!!!
@vinnym5607
@vinnym5607 4 жыл бұрын
Same. Quality content. People don't know what's good.
@psycane8462
@psycane8462 4 жыл бұрын
Niche subject matter and misogyny but I totally agree that she deserves that many subscribers
@Lexie71782
@Lexie71782 4 жыл бұрын
A C I agree
@farrellmcnulty909
@farrellmcnulty909 4 жыл бұрын
@@chi9670 Older actresses are much more fun and interesting than the little whats-her-names that are out there today.
@JaymesMansfield
@JaymesMansfield 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see these videos back! 💕
@ostorozhnost
@ostorozhnost 3 жыл бұрын
I used to watch these videos at least once a week so I’m relieved they’re back! P.s. Jaymes you’re a goddess ✨
@hollyobaby6949
@hollyobaby6949 3 жыл бұрын
Omg Danny Devito I love your work
@jennye7300
@jennye7300 3 жыл бұрын
Um hi i love you 💕
@derlaurenz
@derlaurenz 2 жыл бұрын
@@hollyobaby6949 XD XD XD
@justin__roderick
@justin__roderick 2 жыл бұрын
@@derlaurenz to quote Jujubee: sinful
@biancachristie
@biancachristie 3 жыл бұрын
Norma’s vampy photoshoot also famously resulted in her and Irving finally having a family, despite his fragility and health issues. So, yeah, awkward, but also effective. It also meant that Irving hired a new house photographer for MGM
@brandelynnefreleng7597
@brandelynnefreleng7597 8 ай бұрын
Source? I believe you but I’d like to read more about it!
@biancachristie
@biancachristie 8 ай бұрын
@@brandelynnefreleng7597 Mark Viera's biography about Irving Thalberg. It's really good!
@MakaykayLAMB
@MakaykayLAMB 4 жыл бұрын
The way Bette Davis speaks is so wonderful.
@injieanis4581
@injieanis4581 3 жыл бұрын
Sassy but classy. I aspire to speak like this!!!
@reepacheirpfirewalker8629
@reepacheirpfirewalker8629 2 жыл бұрын
There are others who sure try to imitate her.
@SkyeID
@SkyeID 2 ай бұрын
yeah, she had that Trans Europa Express accent.
@thatsyouropinion9434
@thatsyouropinion9434 4 жыл бұрын
Never realized how much Susan Sarandon looked like Bette Davis.
@AnnoyingAsianWitch
@AnnoyingAsianWitch 4 жыл бұрын
That was the first thing I noticed when watching Feud.
@Starkardur
@Starkardur 4 жыл бұрын
She does in a way but it's mostly the eyes. The mouth area and the nose are completely different. an Older Uma Thurman would have been perhaps a better candidate from a lookalike perspective (the eyes and the nose)
@thatsyouropinion9434
@thatsyouropinion9434 4 жыл бұрын
Gunnhild Edwards neh
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 4 жыл бұрын
I thought she looked like Rosalind Russell, especially in The Women.
@QueenOfKings0402
@QueenOfKings0402 3 жыл бұрын
Those eyes
@Bartcmh
@Bartcmh Жыл бұрын
Ryan Murphy should have put a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode like they did for Inventing Anna. This story is entirely true (except the parts that are made up). I always thought that was clever.
@Count__Dyke-ula
@Count__Dyke-ula 9 ай бұрын
or like in The Great (an ocasionally true story)
@natalieford3238
@natalieford3238 4 ай бұрын
Same for "Dahmer"
@jenniferschillig3768
@jenniferschillig3768 3 жыл бұрын
What you said about actors not having the same "sell-by date" problem as actresses made me grin...it reminded me of one of my favorite bits in The Golden Girls. (This was aired when Cary Grant was still alive.) Blanche is visiting a psychiatrist due to her depression at having started menopause...she fears it means the end of her desirability as a woman. When the shrink tries to reassure her, she says, "You don't understand...you men don't have to worry about aging the way women do. Cary Grant could still have his pick of women and he's in his eighties! You show me an actress in her fifties that can do that. And don't tell me 'Joan Collins', that woman belongs in a wax museum."
@ermerendovasquez1768
@ermerendovasquez1768 4 жыл бұрын
I love how Katherine Hepburn is just there chilling at @9:17
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 4 жыл бұрын
Probably bitching to that woman about how evil the studio is.
@ladyredl3210
@ladyredl3210 3 жыл бұрын
@Dee Ayy Why Night Productions she absolutely was.
@mustaphaabozaid5655
@mustaphaabozaid5655 4 жыл бұрын
I know you are not a superhero fan, but this is like "AVENGERS: ENDGAME" of BeKind Rewind
@kostajovanovic3711
@kostajovanovic3711 4 жыл бұрын
For what?
@mustaphaabozaid5655
@mustaphaabozaid5655 4 жыл бұрын
@@kostajovanovic3711 For the duration "her longest video until now", the topic, the huge amount of research done, the stars included "this is one of very few episodes talking equally about 2 stars" and most importantly ... the perspective and the way she tackled the whole thing; It could have been a one-liner tuned-down copy of FX Feud, but thank god it isn't. So hopefully, this BKR Endgame will have the same success and follow level of the original ENDGAME
@steffid6949
@steffid6949 4 жыл бұрын
@@RoPiDe oh my god you're so right!
@kostajovanovic3711
@kostajovanovic3711 4 жыл бұрын
@@mustaphaabozaid5655 deep apologies, i missread your initial comment thinking you want a bkr on endgame
@mustaphaabozaid5655
@mustaphaabozaid5655 4 жыл бұрын
@@kostajovanovic3711 Yeah 😂 Imagine that 😂😂
@mariosanchezgumiel7757
@mariosanchezgumiel7757 3 жыл бұрын
After "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?", Bette Davis made an extraordinary film in UK, "The Nanny" (1965). I think she should have received another nomination for that performance. I read once that that movie was one of her favorites, and her role one of those she was more proud of.
@vickitaylor680
@vickitaylor680 Жыл бұрын
Anne Bancroft deserved that Oscar. It was a very moving movie and performance.
@connievino4226
@connievino4226 10 ай бұрын
Not the point.
@watthaile2053
@watthaile2053 4 ай бұрын
A Moving Movie ???
@jasmynjohnson6722
@jasmynjohnson6722 2 ай бұрын
@@watthaile2053?? What do you not understand
@watthaile2053
@watthaile2053 2 ай бұрын
​​@@jasmynjohnson6722 I don't understand the degree of your density and naivety. Hehehe .... You poor thing.
@roxy20231000
@roxy20231000 4 жыл бұрын
I think the show Feud could have gone away with it with a framing device, kind of like in "I Tonya" where every character tell their side of the story, so it's more of a "he said she said" or they could have framed it as an investigation, like "Phantom of the opera" (the book).
@everythingclassic1705
@everythingclassic1705 3 жыл бұрын
FEUD does use a framing device through the documentary filmmakers who interview the celebrities who knew Davis and Crawford at the beginning of each episode. Yet it's done so poorly and comes out phony.
@agcons
@agcons 4 жыл бұрын
I cannot understand why Bette's performance as Jane would be dismissed as not great acting. There is a scene where Jane is performing one of her old vaudeville routines and is then shocked and horrified by suddenly seeing herself in a mirror without expecting to. Davis conveys masterfully Jane's brief but terrible encounter with reality in that moment. For me it's one of the best moments in cinema.
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 4 жыл бұрын
ALL RIGHT, BLANCHE HUDSON!! Miss Big, Fat Movie Star! Miss Lousy Sticking Actress! Push a button...ring a bell And you think...the whole damn world comes running, dontcha?!
@newbiechu7024
@newbiechu7024 4 жыл бұрын
@@RaymondHng Blanche: uhhm Jane? I'm ready for my close up.
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 4 жыл бұрын
@@newbiechu7024 Different film. Different year.
@cliffgaither
@cliffgaither 3 жыл бұрын
That's an excellent observation. I think people have to take these fine actors as they were :: individual talents. Crawford was very sympathetic & human in this film. Her facial expressions were very "sorry" for so many things in her past in relation to her relationship w / her "sister", Jane. Davis was a horrible character throughout most of the film & didn't realize until the end what sisters could / should have meant to each other. They were both great in the film. Of all the films they made, this one was the culmination of years of individual, professional artistry that brought them together.
@christinemcclaurin7733
@christinemcclaurin7733 9 ай бұрын
But you ah Blanch, you ah in that chair!!❤❤❤
@sarcadam88
@sarcadam88 Жыл бұрын
I just finished Feud (finally) on Hulu and I’ll just say, what a gift your channel is.
@xlnuniex
@xlnuniex 2 жыл бұрын
I finally watched “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane”. It was amazed by Bette Davis’ acting. Great movie. Recommend 100%
@peggypasson8794
@peggypasson8794 11 ай бұрын
Joan Crawford was also very very good 💯
@xlnuniex
@xlnuniex 11 ай бұрын
@@peggypasson8794 Yes she was. They both were
@xww6849
@xww6849 4 жыл бұрын
The “hagsploitation” movie titles are just... wow
@Garsons-oq4lh
@Garsons-oq4lh 4 жыл бұрын
Joan and Bette spawned a regrettable trend in motion pictures.
@abandonedfragmentofhope5415
@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 4 жыл бұрын
@@Garsons-oq4lh Not all the films are bad. Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte was good.
@TheSongwritingCat
@TheSongwritingCat 3 жыл бұрын
What's the Matter with Helen? is very silly. It doesn't feel scary because everything is so fake.
@tracydavis8982
@tracydavis8982 3 жыл бұрын
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415, yes it was.....love Hush, Hush....Sweet Charlotte! Whatever Happened To Baby Jane (1962), StraightJacket (1964), and Berserk (1967), were pretty good Movies too!!!
@SpitefulRennie
@SpitefulRennie 3 жыл бұрын
The just sound made up 😂
@carolinashoemaker5938
@carolinashoemaker5938 4 жыл бұрын
A thing that really bothered me about feud is just how infantilized Bette and Joan, it made them out to be as poor old women who were miserable because the men around them manipulated them to be so. Bette and Joan had a difficult time in the system, as every actress did, but Bette actively challenged it with everything she did, to paint her and Joan as mere puppets who have no agency at all over their lives because of the men around them is so patronizing to the lives of these women and all they accomplished.
@amelie4273
@amelie4273 3 жыл бұрын
But isn’t that the whole point? They were undermined by the men around them by being pitted against one another as a reactionary ploy to make them less powerful within the cinematic industry. Why wouldn’t they be miserable at being manipulated by the men around them who were in charge. That was the whole point of the series, to show that these two exceptionally talented women were made to feel insecure by the powerful men around them who manipulated them both into despising one another because the industry couldn’t have two powerful and talented women together at one time, especially ones who physically past their ‘prime’. It’s fascinating how much the onscreen and behind the screen mimicked one another so much
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 2 жыл бұрын
​@@amelie4273 but that entire point is just revisionist history. It is one thing if that point is true but entirely moot when it’s not. The studios want asses in the seats, to get maximum profits while paying their stars with as little as they can get away with it and they are not interested in stars politics and infighting. It is well known that many actresses of their generation scoff at the Feminist movement…. Entitled pretend victims who want all the supposed perks of men but none of their societal expectations and responsibilities. These women who lived through WWII saw what men went through.
@mycatisabastard2361
@mycatisabastard2361 3 жыл бұрын
Crawford's trick at the Oscars was a masterfully petty stroke of genius.
@sevenoctobers7471
@sevenoctobers7471 Жыл бұрын
Murphy's work is a top-notch example of intellectual laziness. To treat the memory of Joan and Bette like office drivel, to make money out of baseless rumors, and to dismiss Olivia's lived experience as if she was a non-entity?! God, I'm livid!!! I have no respect for Ryan Murphy's work. Your work, however, I am simply grateful that it even exists in the KZfaq-sphere. The editing is slick. The content and delivery is unrivaled. Thank you for all the work that you do for this overlooked segment of the Hollywood film industry. 💗🇵🇭
@carolinashoemaker5938
@carolinashoemaker5938 4 жыл бұрын
Olivia de Havilland saying she was powerless to do anything because this was before the 70's feminist movement has to be the most ridiculous thing this clowns could've come up with, she SUED her own studio Ryan. Edit: and she won
@vinnym5607
@vinnym5607 4 жыл бұрын
I just watched the BKR Olivia 1947 video.
@carolinashoemaker5938
@carolinashoemaker5938 3 жыл бұрын
@Tracy Lands 😭
@terry4137
@terry4137 3 жыл бұрын
Tracy Lands, Yep! We all do...
@feloniousbutterfly
@feloniousbutterfly 3 жыл бұрын
I just wish they would do even a night's worth of research before writing this tat.
@LFire12
@LFire12 3 жыл бұрын
Utterly agree. De Havilland was an elegant, kind lady, who carried herself with grace but would let you have it with both barrels when she thought you'd stepped over the line. Talk about iron fist in a velvet glove, she handled three of tinsel town's most notorious batchelors Flynn, and Houston, and Jimmy Stewart in her personal life all of whom pursued her, argued constantly for better roles for herself, managing to twin 2 Oscars in the process. And when she had enough of the studios messing around she took them on and one, got a piece of litigation named after her that worked in the favour of all her fellow actors..then upstakes and left Hollywood, only coming back to do what she wanted. Portraying her of all people as some 'oh we were so helpless', when she was an actual icon of female progress at the time was beyond farcical.
@manthony225
@manthony225 4 жыл бұрын
Beautifully done! I have thoughts: 1. Joan should have been nominated for best supporting actress for Baby Jane. Yes, she's on screen for most of the movie but her part does support the antagonist Jane. See? Feud avoided. 2. Totally agree with you on Sarandon's performance lacking fire. 3. Zeta Jones was miscast in Feud and the writers didn't seem to have a grasp on Olivia's personality. 4. I had no idea Joan had freckles. I love them!
@jaydefelice9887
@jaydefelice9887 4 жыл бұрын
I also agree with #2 with the emphasis the filmmaker stated though, that she wished there was a little more fire in her belly. It was there IMO for sure, it just needed a little more. I remember vividly thinking when hearing about the casting of Lange & Sarandon that I was both excited & worried about the casting. Excited to see these 2 greats together, worried that they were both so distinctive themselves to be able to correctly portray 2 such well known & documented real people. I think Sarandon did a better job. One of the things I love most about Lange are her unique little mannerisms. Those did not help me believe she was Crawford. The little giggles, for example, that work so well in her original characters showed she could not shed her past when playing this character or that the FEUD directors/producers either didn't care or were too scared to bring her little mannerisms up. Also I 100% agree about Zeta-Jones!!!
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 4 жыл бұрын
Nowadays they do not nominate two performers from the same film in the same category. But would Crawford even entertain the idea of the studio campaigning her for a Supporting Actress nomination? I don't think her ego would permit that. Had she been nominated for Best Supporting Actress, she would have been up against Patty Duke who eventually won the category.
@Garsons-oq4lh
@Garsons-oq4lh 4 жыл бұрын
@@RaymondHng BAFTA nominated both Bette and Joan for Best Foreign Actress 1964 (Baby Jane was released in the UK in 1963).
@alastairmackay5953
@alastairmackay5953 4 жыл бұрын
Your third point: I couldn't agree more. They didn't just miss that boat. They didn't even book a ticket.
@Starkardur
@Starkardur 4 жыл бұрын
Susan Sarandon always lacks fire. She's incredibly limited in her delivery of lines and performance, always has and always will HOWEVER I do think she did a decent job and was better than Jessica Lange who I find to be massively overrated.
@kittywolford7768
@kittywolford7768 2 жыл бұрын
The way Joan walks up to that stage is so iconic
@BonnChnd
@BonnChnd Жыл бұрын
It makes no sense to me that during the creation of “Feud”, Murphy didn’t contact the only surviving person that had some first hand knowledge of a pop culture event 60 years in the past. Really?
@WillScarlet16
@WillScarlet16 3 жыл бұрын
"Joan has always been envious of Bette's voluptuous figure - in fact, Joan used to borrow Bette's bras to use as shoulder pads." - Vincent Price at Bette Davis' Roast
@randywhite3947
@randywhite3947 3 жыл бұрын
Annihilation
@johnlewinski6359
@johnlewinski6359 2 жыл бұрын
want to see this roast
@user-hb4zz4gh5e
@user-hb4zz4gh5e 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, I don’t get it?
@leaho3789
@leaho3789 4 жыл бұрын
Ive been waiting for this one, its just adding to my current obsession WITH THESE TWO.
@joyciejd9673
@joyciejd9673 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. I am 71 and although I remember (as a kid) Anne Bancroft in “The Miracle Worker” and “The Graduate” I knew very little about her other than her marriage to Mel Brooks. This is very informative and so well researched! I thank you for keeping her legacy alive….and Bette and Joan and all the wonderful actresses from a past time….because there are no personalities…and wonderful actresses today as fascinating as these two. Thank you x 1,000,000
@ACinemafanatic
@ACinemafanatic 2 жыл бұрын
Bette Davis is the greatest actress of all time just in my opinion her movies are always amazing you can either hate or love her characters because she is so into the roles
@ferociousgumby
@ferociousgumby 3 жыл бұрын
What amazes me is how we always root for Jane in "Whatever Happened to. . ." Somehow, by some miracle of talent, she makes Jane into a sympathetic character with that drunken scene where she explains her own failure: "They just didn't love you enough." The scene where she glimpses herself in the mirror and actually SEES what she has become is a moment that mingles horror with despair. Who else could have pulled this off?
@davidallen508
@davidallen508 2 жыл бұрын
Whichever way you view it , this is a really entertaining and riveting movie.
@reepacheirpfirewalker8629
@reepacheirpfirewalker8629 2 жыл бұрын
Another classic that I hope tinsel town doesn't try to recreate. There's nobody in Hollywood who could do it better. Or write it better than the original.
@jeremyud
@jeremyud 2 жыл бұрын
@@reepacheirpfirewalker8629 They did recreate it. A 1990 t.v. moving starring Vanessa and Lynn Redgrave.
@akrenwinkle
@akrenwinkle 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyud I saw it. Tepid.
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 2 жыл бұрын
There was no true villainess or heroine in the movie.
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 4 жыл бұрын
If only all these ladies were still around to sue Ryan Murphy.
@kerriethompson2073
@kerriethompson2073 4 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that Olivia de Havelin (sp) sued Ryan Murphy over Feud. I don't think she was successful however.
@reikun86
@reikun86 4 жыл бұрын
@@kerriethompson2073 and she's the only one still alive
@kerriethompson2073
@kerriethompson2073 4 жыл бұрын
@@reikun86 at 104 years young this month. Can you believe it? She was also close personal friends with Robery Osborn the founder of TCM may he rest in peace. We should really have this show on there somehow.
4 жыл бұрын
If they were alive he wouldn't dare to touch their names, to begin with
@zacblake9249
@zacblake9249 3 жыл бұрын
Kerrie Thompson DeHaviland just died.
@bleaf_
@bleaf_ Жыл бұрын
Beauty standards baffle me because I think Bette Davis was drop dead gorgeous. Absolutely stunning! I'll never understand it.
@dalehoward3704
@dalehoward3704 Жыл бұрын
Me too!
@christinemcclaurin7733
@christinemcclaurin7733 9 ай бұрын
Bette is the Best!
@Eth698
@Eth698 8 ай бұрын
Bette used to think early in her career she wasn't that nice looking. It maybe helped her do outstanding work to the point - she'd convince you otherwise of how she & some in the studio thought. But in her later years, she reflected back and said 'she really was a good looking woman after all'. But I agree, I always thought she was a unique cutie😊.
@robjack2804
@robjack2804 8 ай бұрын
Quite right. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrOirZiGtceqeH0.html
@larapalma3744
@larapalma3744 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely ❤❤❤
@willdenham
@willdenham 3 жыл бұрын
Love the iconic film Baby Jane. Actually studied it as part of an advanced film history class in film school, that focused on noir. A blockbuster of this magnitude that contained this caliber of acting/script/photography simply can't exist in today's system, despite it's financial and artistic success. This type of masterpiece is cemented in one incredible era that today's Hollywood resembles very little. This type of artistry is found only in lower budget outsiders who cannot benefit from the production values once deservedly lavished on them.
@jeebsunabia7972
@jeebsunabia7972 4 жыл бұрын
I seriously hope Ryan Murphy sees this video. SUPERB!
@bradleycramer4110
@bradleycramer4110 4 жыл бұрын
I’m hoping for a part 3 discussing “Hush, Hush... Sweet Charlotte” because there’s so much more to the feud. Still, love your videos so much.
@daltonbelflower2530
@daltonbelflower2530 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. I'd love to see more on that movie too!
@windstorm1000
@windstorm1000 28 күн бұрын
It'd be great cuz all hell broke loose for Crawford. Lots of bitchy gossip. Get divine feud by considene he covers that movie. It's compulsory reading and much better than Feud, that sorry unfactual. Badly acted mess
@karllieck9064
@karllieck9064 Жыл бұрын
In spite of all it's obvious flaws, "Feud" was so fun to watch!
@constancedenchy9801
@constancedenchy9801 3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw " Whatever Happened to Baby Jane"...I had no idea who they were. I was mesmerized by the story ...their acting made me fall into the story completely
@franklinstephen3268
@franklinstephen3268 Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I came across your comment and I just had to reach out and say hi. Your perspective really caught my attention and I would love to get to know you better. Would you be interested in chatting sometime? Looking forward to hearing back from you!😊
@steffid6949
@steffid6949 4 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how much work it takes to make a video essay this long, I really appreciate it. I adore this channel so much, every few mounts I found myself rewatching all of the episodes. Keep up the good work, love from Serbia
@carolkuahara5561
@carolkuahara5561 4 жыл бұрын
“OK Gable” just got me crying
@amityislandchum
@amityislandchum 2 жыл бұрын
I would honestly watch you do a 10-hour deep dive into every episode of Feud, exploring what they got right/wrong, the period details, and the backstory of every minor character. Please!
@robinstevenson6690
@robinstevenson6690 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! This is far more than a film essay. I sincerely believe that it belongs in the category of full-fledged documentaries. But - - more than that - - though it is a video, I had the feeling that I was watching a film that you were directing (even though you weren't directing live actors, you were selecting moments from their performances to tell an intricate, multi-layered story). Really great work!
@unclegumbald989
@unclegumbald989 4 жыл бұрын
I never considered “Feud” to be historically accurate. I mean, c’mon... it’s Ryan Murphy!
@Elven.
@Elven. 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't watch it ,but I bet most people that watch entertainment in general don't know about the writers and the way they portray things. They just watch something and that's all they know about it
@bvaldes3703
@bvaldes3703 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes he is enjoyable, at best. Some he is impossible to stand. That's why I couldn't pass through 1 episode of Hollywood
@BeccaBerneda
@BeccaBerneda 4 жыл бұрын
​@@bvaldes3703 You saved yourself a good 5 hours of your life. Hollywood devolves into the most maudlin, borderline offensive exercise in historical revisionism where the characters cheat-code racism and bigotry out of existence through ONE movie.
@foxycinnamon7307
@foxycinnamon7307 4 жыл бұрын
I watched for Sarandon and Lange -- I knew a LOT was iffy, but it was great to see them chew that scenery. And oddly touching, like when B.D. finds out that acting takes talent: Bette tries to help her w/her tiny part and it is not easy!
@unclegumbald989
@unclegumbald989 4 жыл бұрын
@@Elven. Yeah, I learned that the hard way with "Elizabeth" =\
@clarabelle6472
@clarabelle6472 4 жыл бұрын
I always forget how beautiful Joan Crawford was when she was younger. She had such a troubled childhood and was deeply insecure about having no high school education. Bette came from a wealthy New England family and you can tell from her confidence and sense of entitlement.
@manthony225
@manthony225 4 жыл бұрын
Great point. This makes makes me have a more of a soft spot for Joan.
@rebekahp4083
@rebekahp4083 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, Bette’s family was more middle class, and after her father walked out on the family when Bette was quite young, Bette’s mother worked several jobs including as a cook and a photographer to put Bette and her sister through school. Her childhood was definitely far far better than Joan’s, but it wasn’t exactly an easy upper class childhood like Katharine Hepburn had either. Ed Sikov’s biography gives a lot of insight into Bette’s childhood so I would recommend checking it out if you’re interested in learning more about Bette. Hope this helped. :)
@reikun86
@reikun86 4 жыл бұрын
I read an biography of Ub Iwerks written by his daughter. An unknown named Lucille Fay LeSueur was a figure model in St. Louis for a small cartoon business founded by a guy name Walt E. Disney.
@BoBo-ti6jh
@BoBo-ti6jh 4 жыл бұрын
Bette Davis was poor. Read her biography by Barbara Leaming. You will learn a lot.
@lray1948
@lray1948 3 жыл бұрын
Tallulah Bankhead was another one that had a privileged upbringing. Born in Huntsville, AL, her uncle was a U. S. Senator and her father was Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives in Washington. She was sent off to convent schools (not that it did much good as she turned out to be very wild but also a very good actress). Two of her more famous quotes are "I'm as pure as the driven slush." and "My daddy warned me about men and booze. He didn't say anything about women and cocaine!"
@aryakeepsafe816
@aryakeepsafe816 Жыл бұрын
I didn't realise how dreadful it must have been for Joan Crawford being so abused as a young child and growing up in poverty. Yet she rose above it .
@madelinemarie4140
@madelinemarie4140 Жыл бұрын
Joan Crawford abused her adopted daughter LMAO. She didn’t rise above anything
@Garsons-oq4lh
@Garsons-oq4lh Жыл бұрын
@@madelinemarie4140 Allegations by Christina. No one corroborated anything Christina wrote in her book.
@liteflightify
@liteflightify Жыл бұрын
@@Garsons-oq4lh No one directly corroborated what’s in the book. But a few people with direct connections to Joan and Christina have commented on Joan being a rather “harsh” or honestly bad mother. Also, the book and how things are presented there is quite a bit different than the super dramatic movie.
@ladyluck5703
@ladyluck5703 Жыл бұрын
@@liteflightify Agreed. I've read the book and watched the movie. Here's my problem with Christina, though. It seems, (and this is an observation on my part, so it is subjective) that every time there's a movie or a show that paints Joan Crawford as a human being with flaws, Christina comes out and promotes her book. In 2017 when Feud was originally scheduled to be released, Christina Crawford started to post readings of Mommy Dearest on Spotify and KZfaq. It seems so vindictive, Joan has been dead for almost 45 years now. We'll never know, but I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
@chriiiiis
@chriiiiis Жыл бұрын
​@@ladyluck5703 It is pretty shitty to watch people uplift and praise your abuser.
@CALLMESIR...
@CALLMESIR... 4 ай бұрын
One of my favorite Davis movies is Dead Ringer. What a concept.
@tanzeilmoustapha7942
@tanzeilmoustapha7942 4 жыл бұрын
Hey can you do one on "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf", in relation to the tumultuous relationship of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. Basically how that fuelled their incredible performances!
@caitlin2701
@caitlin2701 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty please do!
@jeremyud
@jeremyud 3 жыл бұрын
And it fits into her rant about Hollywood casting younger actresses for parts that call for older women. Martha was supposed to be about in her late 40's. Elizabeth Taylor was 34.
@heywoodjablome7535
@heywoodjablome7535 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyud I remember reading that in the original stage production, Martha was supposed to be 52
@josephbernados1649
@josephbernados1649 4 жыл бұрын
Bette and Joan's feud needs a Wicked-style re-imagining where they were both actually amiable, or friends even, playing up the feud to keep their names in papers.
@caitlin2701
@caitlin2701 3 жыл бұрын
I want this movie or series! I think it could be a really interesting take on the industry
@almahayworth4280
@almahayworth4280 3 жыл бұрын
"until....!!!"
@boryanapavlova7036
@boryanapavlova7036 3 жыл бұрын
I'm Here with a single purpose. To feed the algorithm. And to let Be Kind Rewind aware that she is criminally underrated. Feud: The algorithm vs what i actually want to see.
@ifrean1174
@ifrean1174 Жыл бұрын
The fact that there was supposedly an entire movie made about joan being washed up and them making fun of her alcoholism even knowing about her childhood is just deeply upsetting to me.
@dominiquedouglas4708
@dominiquedouglas4708 4 жыл бұрын
You are without doubt one of the most intelligent commentators on old Hollywood I have ever heard. I admire the research and work that you put in to every video you make. Honestly, well done for this video. It's fabulous.
@mgbryansullivan4378
@mgbryansullivan4378 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Dominique, How are you doing ?
@bootsarmstrong8421
@bootsarmstrong8421 3 жыл бұрын
Baby Jane was one of the creepiest movies I've ever seen. I remember watching it several times in the 60's when I was a child.
@johnlewinski6359
@johnlewinski6359 2 жыл бұрын
And now movies suck
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnlewinski6359 no they don’t you’re just old
@johnlewinski6359
@johnlewinski6359 2 жыл бұрын
@@CashelOConnolly I bet you don't even watch Oscar winning movies
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnlewinski6359 WTF 😳 Oh of course I’ve watched Academy Award winning movies’ I’ve watched Wings the 1st movie to win the Oscar (1929) to the latest Nomadland (2021) also the Academy Awards hardly ever awards the best just the movies /people who’ve made the most money for the studios. When was the last time you went to the cinema?
@lacenikks708
@lacenikks708 2 жыл бұрын
@@CashelOConnolly For whatever it's worth, I was born in 2007
@donnalively5978
@donnalively5978 Жыл бұрын
Anne Bancroft was amazing and deserved the Oscar for that role.
@franklinstephen3268
@franklinstephen3268 Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I came across your comment and I just had to reach out and say hi. Your perspective really caught my attention and I would love to get to know you better. Would you be interested in chatting sometime? Looking forward to hearing back from you!😊
@Uptomyknees
@Uptomyknees 2 жыл бұрын
This is incredible content!
@callumdoherty7204
@callumdoherty7204 4 жыл бұрын
When you like before watching the video because you already know it’ll be brilliant.
@TalkAsSoftAsChalk
@TalkAsSoftAsChalk 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my. If only I knew that today was going to be Christmas when I woke up this morning. Fifty minutes?????!??
@iskracorvino2356
@iskracorvino2356 Жыл бұрын
I also saw this movie before knowing who any of the actresses was and I found it so incredibly captivating; an amazing, realistic and very nuanced portrayal of the characters they wanted to represent. Just a beautiful piece of art all around, even more with an understanding of what it meant for a woman, an actress, finding her place especially after a less 'desirable' age, in a male driven industry.
@franklinstephen3268
@franklinstephen3268 Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I came across your comment and I just had to reach out and say hi. Your perspective really caught my attention and I would love to get to know you better. Would you be interested in chatting sometime? Looking forward to hearing back from you!😊
@ColleenLytle-sq8tx
@ColleenLytle-sq8tx 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video - it's a masterpiece, and a beatiful biography of both beautiful stars. This video is so well done, it leaves all the other biographies in the dust. My Mother had the trifecta of difficulties: alcoholism, paranoid schizophrenia, and manic depression - she almost killed me. My Mother was sick, I have compassion for her hardships, and I was there for her to her dying day. I would never speak aloud the things Christina did - I loved my Mother enough not to shame her memory. I think Christina Crawford is why folks are afraid to adopt - you never know what you're gonna get...and Joan Crawford crapped out. Joan adopted FIVE children! (that's five times what the average rich person is willing to DO to this day): the first was reclaimed by the birth Mother, twins (who loved her very much), Christopher was a bad apple (he had mental problems all his life, he was a thug), and then there's Christina. Every story from family, friends, and life-long, live-in employees contradicts that book of hers - but there's always one thing I'm left with. How did Joan Crawford show up in this world BESIDES adopting five children, creating a lifelong and successful movie career - showing up for many people throughout the years? She paid bills, rented places, got nurses for, and showed up in person to help friends? Joan Crawford answered every single fan letter by hand. I like what that simple, true, fact says about who she was, and how she showed up in this world. She had class, she was a strong, professional woman, she adopted five children, and she was a queen.
@owl2192
@owl2192 4 жыл бұрын
Bette Davis is my favorite actress (or actor in general) and Whatever Happened to Baby Jane is my favorite of hers!
@hadbetterdays
@hadbetterdays 4 жыл бұрын
When I saw Feud - while admittedly engaged in the salacious part of the Bette and Joan's alleged feud, and the priceless satisfaction of watching Susan Sarandon and Jessica Lange working together - I thought it missed the mark incredibly. It was like "Yes, these were two extremely hard working women who fought for their work and right to work with studios and to an extent society, but let's just see them bitch against each other", so BKR corrected, in a 50 minutes video, what Murphy & Co. couldn't set straight with millions of dollars of budget and 8 hours on TV. Thank you for this. We needed this. And maybe, Hollywood needs this more than ever.
@PungiFungi
@PungiFungi 4 жыл бұрын
I listened the to Divine Feud audiobook about this supposed rivalry between Crawford and Davis. It appears there was some indirect incidents that happened in the past that irked Davis about Crawford but it was indeed the aftermath of Whatever Happened to Baby Jane that really set Davis off. After Crawford died, Davis basically went around spreading stories like how Joan campaigned against her and kept Brancroft's Oscar for a year and Joan was no longer around to refute it.
@stelladevers5334
@stelladevers5334 2 жыл бұрын
I like Joan’s movies, but Bette was just a TRUE LEGEND, one of a kind, I can re watch Bette’s movies all day.
@eamonndeane587
@eamonndeane587 2 жыл бұрын
Out of Curiosity, What's your Favourite of Bette's Films?
@stelladevers5334
@stelladevers5334 2 жыл бұрын
@@eamonndeane587 Baby Jane, dark victory, all this and heaven too, jezzable, hush hush sweet charlotte , all about Eve … I just loved her in anything
@lizettec
@lizettec 3 жыл бұрын
This commentary/documentary so much better than the has been on the actual TV documentaries.👍
@swooningtree
@swooningtree 4 жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how satisfying it is to listen to someone who's done loads of research (obviously out of love and interest as much as out of the quest for drama or knowledge) about Joan and Bette and doesn't just rely on the same old cliches and cold takes as every other book, documentary, video and TV show ever.
@fajarzakri4936
@fajarzakri4936 4 жыл бұрын
The first installment really got me hooked on both actresses and their respective filmographies. Thank you for that-and this! To say that you quenched our collective thirst is an understatement.
@diogenes5654
@diogenes5654 9 ай бұрын
I am absolutely delighted to have found Be Kind Rewind. Busily binge watching - thank you!
@kleberbraga2605
@kleberbraga2605 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video about how Katharine Hepburn became this exception in the industry, taking such good roles at that time. Thank you for such incredible, accurate and careful work. Im a big admirer.
@BoBo-ti6jh
@BoBo-ti6jh 4 жыл бұрын
Read the Hepburn biography by William Mann. You will learn a lot.
@lilyzhang5127
@lilyzhang5127 3 жыл бұрын
Juan Jose U advice people who is interested in an actress career to read some trashy Bio full of speculations about the actress's sexuality. Interesting
@annasmith6090
@annasmith6090 4 жыл бұрын
It's so weird that FX keeps making these women centric "biopics" and deliberately skewing the script away from the truth. Like, if you're going to tell women's stories then tell the truth. Half the viewers will believe their lies.
@SomeBF
@SomeBF 2 жыл бұрын
All biopics are lies for the sake of story lol I wish there was just more media literacy taught to the population but the powers that be dont really have any interest in that; a critical population aren’t easy customers
@HisameArtwork
@HisameArtwork 2 жыл бұрын
well for what it's worth the mini series brought me here and now I know what a Bette Davis and Joan Crawford are...human beings, former actreses that contributed a lot to the lives of american women. We studied old films in film university but it was Lumiere, Melies, that horrid trash of a nation is born, then sort of jumped to Fight Club, Memento and national films that won the Cannes like 4 months, 3 weeks...a film about abortion during communisms, which had glaring plot holes and inaccuracies , but tugged at heart strings. But you are right people will think it's true, so glad we have this channel to clear stuff up, it would take me to much time to research this and see if it's true and I have work to do, bills to pay.
@SlimKeith11
@SlimKeith11 2 жыл бұрын
They're more into entertainment than historical realism. It's usually men who write then green light these productions, they believe woman only want to see other women fight/argue. It's really disappointing.
@hamjohn8737
@hamjohn8737 2 жыл бұрын
@@HisameArtwork Ahhh "History of Film 101".....yes I took that same course 35 years ago and though Fight Club wasn't' out at that time, we had some trash to watch and 'discuss'....if it weren't for TCM, I wouldn't know 10% about Hollywood's Golden Age like I do now. "History of Film 101 really didn't teach what needs to be taught.
@windstorm1000
@windstorm1000 3 ай бұрын
Be kind rewind--you offer the most per eptive well researched, videos about film on youtube. Thank you for adding to our enjoyment and knowledge of this great medium--and these two great stars .
@thenicolajeann
@thenicolajeann Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic take on this!! These women were actually quite similar as well…and their work and accomplishments should be upheld more than some silly feud. Both legends in their own right 🤍
@mhope6899
@mhope6899 4 жыл бұрын
So much research and information! This doesn’t go unnoticed or unappreciated! I love your channel and great work!
@grandexandi
@grandexandi 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely deconstruction of the "feud"! Next topic: Mommy Dearest!
@gingertea123
@gingertea123 4 жыл бұрын
would love this - this movie is how I first learned of Joan Crawford when I was younger
@avgolden1974
@avgolden1974 4 жыл бұрын
Yes please
@vinnym5607
@vinnym5607 4 жыл бұрын
That would be great.
@unclegumbald989
@unclegumbald989 4 жыл бұрын
Seconded! =D
@freespiritxoxo7343
@freespiritxoxo7343 4 жыл бұрын
@@gingertea123 me too!
@garymazzeo3490
@garymazzeo3490 10 ай бұрын
Bette was nasty to everyone and loved to pick fights. Crawford may of been tough. but she had class and grace . She always showed her fans kindness and appreciation.....Bette couldn't give a crap what you thought about her!
@borleyboo5613
@borleyboo5613 2 ай бұрын
She may ‘HAVE’ been tough as well. 😊
@user36able
@user36able Жыл бұрын
It infuriates me that Feud shows Patty Duke hugging a dog with her oscar. That dog was there at the oscars - it belonged to one of Duke's abusive agents/guardians, who she was living with at the time. The agents were extremely controlling and possessive of Duke, and had taken many steps to isolate her from her family, including changing her name. When she was nominated for an oscar, they took steps to ensure that her mother was excluded from the ceremony. Duke is on record as saying that the pride she felt from winning her (well deserved) oscar was somewhat tainted by her mother's absence. Seriously, there's an interview with Duke that was filmed when she was in her seventies -so at least fifty years after winning that Oscar - even then she still clearly felt ashamed and angry that her agents' stupid dog got to attend the ceremony when her own mother didn't. So there is no way that she would have hugged that dog with a delighted look on her face, the way she does in the show. FFS Ryan Murphy. Also, Duke spoke about meeting Crawford at the Oscars ceremony, and said Crawford had praised her in a very genuine and respectful way, which meant a lot to Duke. Crawford didn't make some bitchy jealous comment to Duke and move on, as she does in Feud (although I do love watching Jessica Lange be bitchy, we stan
@DCMarvelMultiverse
@DCMarvelMultiverse 4 жыл бұрын
Ryan Murphy: I know how to write women! Me: Like gay male stereotypes? RM: Close...enough!
@tbam73
@tbam73 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo
@TalesHilaricki
@TalesHilaricki 4 жыл бұрын
Oh God, Ryan Murphy's portrait of a gay character makes me feel ashamed and cringed about being gay jdbsjsvtsnwnsvd
@bo2720
@bo2720 3 жыл бұрын
It IS close enough!
@screenactorsguilable
@screenactorsguilable 3 жыл бұрын
@@TalesHilaricki do you like to top?
@TalesHilaricki
@TalesHilaricki 3 жыл бұрын
@@screenactorsguilable well that was invasive
@AznRUs
@AznRUs 4 жыл бұрын
Its funny how Hollywood would cast older male stars with young female stars. This is why I find it hard to watch Audrey Hepburn movies. The male costars she was cast with are old enough to be her father.
@TeamSukiyo
@TeamSukiyo 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Sabrina, Funny Face and My Fair Lady make me uncomfortable. I only bear them because Audrey is so great.
@ilanarhian
@ilanarhian 4 жыл бұрын
At least George Peppard was age appropriate
@TeamSukiyo
@TeamSukiyo 4 жыл бұрын
William Brynn Yeah, but Audrey was out of her 20s then and Cary Grant looked better for his age, so it wasn’t as noticable a difference tablaqueen Gregory Peck wasn’t half bad either
@MM-eb4uq
@MM-eb4uq 4 жыл бұрын
it's not "funny". It's gross. Men seem to only be attracted to women who could be their daughters. Pedophile, you say?
@paulapdlh
@paulapdlh 4 жыл бұрын
@@TeamSukiyo yeah! don't forget love in the afternoon... gary cooper was 28 years older than her. just gross
@Joselitty
@Joselitty 2 жыл бұрын
This was such a brilliant video essay. I had heard about the feud whenever I prowled around videos regarding Old Hollywood. Your research and editing is astounding.
@user-sn5jr1ji9h
@user-sn5jr1ji9h 3 жыл бұрын
I will always have a soft spot for Joan Crawford. She grew up in such awful conditions that even Charles Dickens would have a hard time writing that. And yet she became one of the world's most celebrated and iconic film stars. I see a lot of negative comments about FX's Feud, but I think that Jessica Lange did a superb job portraying Joan. She showed Joan without turning into a grotesque caricature. Are there better actresses out there? Yes. But there are very few actresses that could ever compare to Joan Crawford's glamour.
@zmbdog
@zmbdog 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Olivia has since passed (July 26th). But hey, 104! Few could beat that.
@tagaway6173
@tagaway6173 2 жыл бұрын
Did she win the lawsuit against the show?
@LanaDayne
@LanaDayne 2 жыл бұрын
@@tagaway6173 judge threw it out, he stated that one person can not own history
@TalysAlankil
@TalysAlankil 4 жыл бұрын
Me: *sees the video in my feed* Video: *is 50 minutes long* Me: Well i guess everything else in my schedule can wait.
@humournoir7316
@humournoir7316 4 жыл бұрын
What is more, this just feels so right to do
@bluestrife28
@bluestrife28 3 жыл бұрын
Baby Jane is still one of the best films I’ve ever seen. It holds up even today when everything is about cgi and remakes. True quality and epic performances.
@valkyriesardo278
@valkyriesardo278 2 жыл бұрын
Bette's career would understandably have greater longevity. She was never afraid to appear "unlovely" in either manner or appearance. Joan put all her eggs in just one basket, glamorous beauty. Female beauty has an expiration date. Inevitably, Joan began to look like a caricature of her former self.
@jaengen
@jaengen 3 ай бұрын
Joan had a Hollywood career for almost 10 years before Bette came on the scene, so I wouldn’t say Bette had much more career longevity than Joan.
@windstorm1000
@windstorm1000 28 күн бұрын
Excellent analysis of their respective talents.
@mariaherfst348
@mariaherfst348 4 жыл бұрын
49 minutes, we've hit the jackpot ladies and gentlemen!!!!
@connordesmond5662
@connordesmond5662 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Joan is often seen as having sold herself to the studio system, but I think she just had business savvy to the max and wanted to shed her childhood from her legacy. This, as well as the 1946 video, do a fantastic job of presenting her story in that light, and as a Joan stan, I'm personally very grateful.
@here_we_go_again2571
@here_we_go_again2571 Жыл бұрын
99% of the actors/actresses who were stars (and many who were never stars) "sold themselves to the studio system" People like Bette Davis, Ann Bancroft, Katharine Hepburn, and a few others could and did make it on Broadway, so they had options other than Hollywood
@seank.9764
@seank.9764 Ай бұрын
Excellent viewing! Appreciated the nod to Anne Bancroft in part one. Ironically, she was in the running to play Joan in Mommie Dearest back in 1981. Perhaps she recognized the high camp potential and gracefully backed out. Probably a wise move considering it turned out to be a career killer for Faye Dunaway! I have a lot of love for that film, however, even though it degrades poor Joan so ruthlessly. Love the production design and that beautiful Mancini score. And despite the inaccuracies, Dunaway provides a bravura turn, summoning the glamour and intensity of her subject. To say I’m a huge fan of these legendary divas would be an understatement. Baby Jane is a true classic and deserves recognition as such. I found the objective analysis here to be refreshing and enlightening. It was great to see tabloid coverage from the era describing a harmonious set and a professional demeanor between the two legends. Seems to dispel the years of gossip that created such a myth about the supposed enmity that plagued the production. I do tend to believe, however, that Crawford’s unfortunate withdrawal from Sweet Charlotte had something to do with Bette’s machinations. Joan’s stunt at the Oscars was simply unforgivable. Hush Hush suffered for it. What could have been another classic, with Joan as the villain this time, turned out to be a decidedly more tepid affair.
@phoenixberlin5750
@phoenixberlin5750 3 жыл бұрын
Baby Jane survived because is a great script with experienced and self aware actresses, not because of the supposed Feud. IMO
@vangelissopamena
@vangelissopamena 4 жыл бұрын
I bet both actresses would be extremely grateful if they saw this great video. Once again: THANK YOU, BKR! 🙏🏽♥️💋
@lonellfletcher
@lonellfletcher 4 жыл бұрын
IMHO, Bette deserved her third Oscar over a decade earlier for All About Eve, a performance I feel is superior to her performance in Baby Jane.
@russellaguirre8487
@russellaguirre8487 4 жыл бұрын
What a year though. We had Bette, Judy Holiday in Born Yesterday, AND Gloria Swanson in Sunset Blvd. Talk about an embarrassment of riches.
@screenactorsguilable
@screenactorsguilable 4 жыл бұрын
@@russellaguirre8487 Judy played a more layered roles there
@screenactorsguilable
@screenactorsguilable 4 жыл бұрын
@Jarred Knox you said me dear!
@trianajackson334
@trianajackson334 3 жыл бұрын
FAX that’s my favorite movie by her PERIOD.
@jessica_jam4386
@jessica_jam4386 3 жыл бұрын
I think Bette and Gloria should’ve tied for that Oscar!
@EuropopTop
@EuropopTop 2 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic analysis, so well researched. I love the coverage of old newspaper reports which gives some sense of the times and the narrator has an excellent clarity. Bravo👏👏👏
@Melissa-jp5yp
@Melissa-jp5yp 3 жыл бұрын
Such good work here! I've watched their movies since I was a teenager and I'm waaay past that now. The feud is certainly titillating but Baby Jane is a testament to the talents of two consummate actresses. Their performances aren't cringy or camp to me. Those women understood pathos and were willing to leave their egos at the door, at least so far as the material was concerned. Its refreshing to see a sensitive, well-researched study. I've subscribed! You betcha!
@kendn01
@kendn01 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful commentary as usual. However, I have my own theory about why Davis lost the oscar to Bancroft. No matter how wonderful a performance Bette gave, there was NO WAY the academy was going to pick the actress who played a woman who tortures and starves her sister to death, over the actress who played the woman who taught Helen Keller to speak! It just wasn't going to happen.
@AmyPieterse
@AmyPieterse 2 жыл бұрын
the oscars love "inspirational" movies, you're right
@dpf5939
@dpf5939 Жыл бұрын
If Bette would have won a 3rd Oscar for her performance in one of her other earlier films like Dark Victory, The Letter, Little Foxes, Now Voyager or All about Eve, losing Baby Jane probably wouldn't have meant that much to her. If she had that 3rd oscar prior to Baby Jane it would have made her the first actress with 3 oscars. Whatever happened to Baby Jane is on every Bette Davis fans favorite films list. I still say she was robbed.
@dpf5939
@dpf5939 Жыл бұрын
I disagree. I found a list of oscar winning roles whose characters were mean and unsympathetic. Two comments here say they don't award oscars to those type of characters. Where as Bette Davis should have won for Baby Jane. Just the actors for best or supporting oscars. J.K. Simmons, Denzel Washington, Javier Barden, Christoph Waltz, Kathy Bates, Charlize Theron, Daniel Day Lewis, Louise Fletcher, Anthony Hopkins and Heath Ledger. Bette was robbed!
@arielkliger6312
@arielkliger6312 Жыл бұрын
@@dpf5939 your examples come much much later, when the academy started to care more about "method" and transformation, but this wasnt the case in 1963, although like said in this video (and in part 1) it was a trend that was just starting
@dpf5939
@dpf5939 Жыл бұрын
@@arielkliger6312 That's what was so great about Bette Davis. She didn't want to play these dumb blonds or goody two shoes women. Another role she should have been nominated for was in 1934. Of Human Bondage. She was the only one willing to take the part. Life magazine said, The best performance by a US actress. Just about every movie she was nominated for I think she should have won. Or at least a very close second. And she always wanted to look the part. Most women wanted to be beautiful all the time. She wanted realism. I think that's what made her better than the others.
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