212 Ghost racing engine VS 212 Predator

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212 Ghost racing engine VS 212 Predator
Did a top speed run and 0 to 30 test with the Predator 212 powered Azusa Minibike to get a baseline with the 212 Predator. Installed a Predator Ghost engine with a Billet flywheel and did the same test to compare the difference.
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@dunamon 2 жыл бұрын

At age 68 I impulse bought a Baja mini. It sat for months but once I saw your videos I started tinkering,,,Im up from 19 to 38.7 MPH and having a ball. Friends & family think Im nuts but I feel like Im back in 5th grade!! Keep on posting,,,your videos are the best!!

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, thanks! That is awesome you are having fun! That's what it's all about for me.

@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 74 and back in 1950's our 3 HP Briggs&Stratton minibike did 35 and 4 HP did 45... so these speeds seem low for 6 1/2 - 11 HP... Last minibike in 1968 had 350cc 2 cylinder 2 cycle 4 gears motorcycle engine...

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

@@BuzzLOLOL We used to run 3.5 Briggs back in the 1980's . It used to take forever to get to 35 MPH with a 3.5 horse.. The bikes these days get to top speed in a couple of seconds. Makes it more fun in my opinion.

@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын

@@Black66 - Our minibikes were light, home brewed from electrical conduit. We had a minibike with 2 1/2 HP Tecumseh engine and a jackshaft for hill climbing power. It would go about 32 but was twisting 8,000+ RPMs... we had trouble keeping connecting rods in that engine... it was stock but seemed cammed up higher than the Briggs... torque was kind of flat until it got up to about 3,000 RPMs... The 350cc minibike was really quick... throttle wheelies in first couple gears... and there's something about the stereo sound of dual exhausts on a minibike, one high muffler on each side... scrambler style for ground clearance... and the sensation of unlimited power...

@youknoweverything7643 2 жыл бұрын

I'm , 30 and got out my old go kart from when I was a kid I got in 1998 when I was 6 it's a full size single bench seat go kart it's called fun power brush and Stratton motor in it 8 hp motor I took original motor off cause it's mint condition and worth lots of money this cart is with all original parts decals on floor board ect so I bought the 670cc v twin 22hp motor for it custom made rear bolt on plates for motor added about 200 lbs of lead weight blocks from my stack I use on asphalt circle track racecars for adding weight in places to be legal and get weights right on scales. Well this cart rios at 89 mph and handles like a dream it's all red with roll cage black leather original seat cover in perfect shape and yellow roll bar padding cart cane with anyone else has same kart or knows what I'm talking bout let me know they worth money in stock non restored mint condition

@ChristopherJones16 2 жыл бұрын

Finally! Been waiting for someone to make this comparison video

@corbinwalter1212 2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for making this video!, i love comparison videos like this one

@miguelpagansr6128 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, I like the vintage look on that minibike absolutely my favorite out all of the bikes on your fleet. Can’t wait see what it does with heavier valve springs, I also heard it float at high revs.

@georgesandifer6335 2 жыл бұрын

Ive been waiting on you to make this video thanks

@nebraskafights7547 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this video, I recently just bought one.

@robertmichael8036 Жыл бұрын

It's awesome to see you still have the best fun on the minibikes i have a little fat tyre and i will get it going with the V2 big block hope it will work

@1LN 2 жыл бұрын

Another AWESOME video man!!

@squirllbait212 2 жыл бұрын

Man this is awesome!! I love your channel, it taught me few things about small engines. I'm local to you, so it makes it even better 👍

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Thanks for watching the videos! Awesome area!

@squirllbait212 2 жыл бұрын

@@Black66 absolutely! I've been wanting to mod my mini bike, but I wasn't too sure on how small engines operated oppose to regular car/truck engines. But I found your channel and you make everything look so easy. Thank you agian for making this channel. It's freaking awesome 👍

@petebovenzi8119 Жыл бұрын

My eye was twitching till you straightened out the sticker 😂

@andrewkuhtz 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video Black 66👍

@Floridascooterboys Жыл бұрын

Real nice i enjoyed watching definitely improved

@NVScrapper 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! You make it look so easy :)

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Ghost 212 gets a 24MM NIBBI carburetor and speed test kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oc6Glrue2r_dZps.html

@gregswafford9839 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for the video, look forward to a juggernaut or torkzilla on one or maybe some other torque converter setup.

@albertmichall5732 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Really getting it

@fastfords9072 9 ай бұрын

I love❤your channel you give new life from old school to new school 🎉😊

@danielradziejewski8069 Жыл бұрын

Wow, This takes me back to growing up in the suburbs of Detroit, mi. I had a rutman minibike. I currently have a mini bike from farm and fleet engine is to small going to change it out to a predator hemi.

@raymondperez-kq3yb 18 күн бұрын

You earned a SUB! This dude cool and look at his front yard !

@mrbottomfeeder 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Good stuff. 🏍🔥👍👍😎

@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын

What's next? A hula hoop? A pogo stick? Going to the Disco? Can't turn back the clock people.

@Johnfrank249sc-w4ddx 2 жыл бұрын

Nice ! One tooth up in front and tighter spring on clutch for little more start rpm bet it be perfect good vid

@BradFFA 3 ай бұрын

Did you put that seat cover on? Looks great

@sixtosaldana4370 3 ай бұрын

@black66 - I have a MB200 Coleman and I am running a 212 Ghost Go power sports 26mm Mikuni Go Power sports torque converter w/ juggernaut/10T 420 chain My question is, what sprocket should I run on the rear tire to gain more top speed? Also if I buy a stage 2 ghost performance kit what do you think would be best to run it at?

@arquexiasparklesandarquexi5462 2 ай бұрын

Sir I have a question I hope you can help me with it. I just got my Coleman B200 and my front wheel wobble. “ very bad” I need advice on where can I get an aluminum wheels. I saw some of your videos where your other mini bike has aluminum wheels on it. Where to buy them? Thanks and have a great day!

@carburetorgaming5173 Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of putting one of these in a Polaris Trail Boss that has a bad engine. Would this be a decent idea?

@jdmboi22 2 жыл бұрын

looks like a pretty neat engine

@bucky14b 2 жыл бұрын

Do you know the difference between the speed karts flywheel and arc flywheel? The fins are different shapes, just curious if it makes any kind of difference on anything. Thanks

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Yes I do. That video comes out on Saturday.

@DetroitMI1990 2 жыл бұрын

GREAT CONTENT 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@outdoorridingtv4203 2 жыл бұрын

@black66 what air filter did u use

@DarkWolfForza 7 ай бұрын

I’ve been wondering what’s the foam cover on your intake?

@TheTuneAce Ай бұрын

Is the Ghost accessory kit compatible with the stock predator 212?

@paulpinto8400 2 жыл бұрын

So I appreciate your videos. Always fun to watch. My question is wouldn’t a tilly 212 with a stage one and the governor removed be a better all around engine ?? Asking for a friend. Lol.

@devongriffin3666 2 жыл бұрын

I have a tilly 212RE with a stage 1 on a mb200-2 an a juggernaut I’m not sure on my gearing but I’m doing 52 full throttle

@edgarcamez2542 2 жыл бұрын

excellent content! enjoy watching your videos! im also local to K-town. would you have an extra ct100 rear wheel to sell? i am needing one for one of my dirt bug projects! cheers!

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! No, I don't have an extra wheel right now. Thanks for watching the videos!

@sailingvesselkuma4366 2 жыл бұрын

I ride over a deep rain hole on the road the other day, and snapped the bottoms neck of the frame….. what’s the best way to fix it ? Just weld it back or cut and make it a v frame going up to the neck ?

@scramjet4610 Ай бұрын

What size (diameter) wheels on that minibike your testing?

@youknoweverything7643 2 жыл бұрын

@daniellang6112 Жыл бұрын

fun video! thanks!

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Check out the Ghost plalylist for more videos on this bike.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbR6lamSqsvHgYE.html

@brianarnone933 Жыл бұрын

Really cool video and nice to see how the upgrades worked. The two things that I would try to improve acceleration would be tighten up the clutch so it revs higher at takeoff and try to use a smaller rear sprocket to get the top speed. I would also love to see what difference a good carburetor would make like a nice Keihin. Maybe a cheap wideband to tune it in or old school just read the plug ;)

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm always messing with different combos. Have you checked out the other bikes on the channel? Here is one of them. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrxonJhqxq25kaM.html

@lilmockme8821 Жыл бұрын

or putting a Juggernaut torque converter vs clutch

@rogeryoung4515 Жыл бұрын

@brianarnone933 Жыл бұрын

@@rogeryoung4515 I guess that just about says it all... Lol

@richardsmith-qy6vl Жыл бұрын

My friend had a bright 5hp on a similar mini bike in the 70s that would whip up on all the Honda 70s best run was 52 mph. It was a fast mini bike.

@freebehindbars8654 Жыл бұрын

Took a 1/4 mile to get there. Either or with these things, can’t be quick and fast with limited displacement.

@mikelute77 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Black66! Hey I was wondering where you got your fuel tank. I got a ghost the other day with the Memorial Day coupon and I wanna possibly mount it on my ct100u

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

I got this one from a seller on ebay. They have a similar one on the GoPowerSports web site.

@mikelute77 2 жыл бұрын

@@Black66 awesome! Thank you brother much appreciated!

@user-vt4dn7te9r 8 ай бұрын

What about a 2 coil charging ststem. Would the billet flywheel accomada 12:46 te it? Good 411 Thanks. 66

@rickyleewashingtonsr3538 Жыл бұрын

Hey if you remove the filter and tank ,muffler would a predator 301cc fit on a DOODLEBUG frame without modification

@EricThompsonnn Жыл бұрын

I’m building a mini bike and I’m having trouble getting the shaft bolt off my 212cc ghost. Is there a certain way to get it off? Or do you use a impact drill like in 2:10? @Black66

@user-ru7he6qj2w Жыл бұрын

Either you use an impact or you get a wrench and you hit it with a hammer so it doesn’t turn the engine over

@tristanmcnabb2741 2 жыл бұрын

Allsome work from cruzermans inventions 😁🎉👍🌟🎉

@benscootin4329 Жыл бұрын

I'm a gy6 guy, but these Ghosts seem pretty neat.

@corbinwalter1212 2 жыл бұрын

by the way i’ve been looking into removing the internal governor gear in my tilly, what size nuts and bolts did you put in the tilly?

@rawbsworld6604 2 жыл бұрын

Biggins!!!

@oh_gosh_its_yash 2 жыл бұрын

The diameter of a hole is 80% of the tap's size. Use fine thread bolts and locktite to seal

@jamesaseltine158 Жыл бұрын

What's the cost difference is it heavier and how comfortable is it ergonomically

@William1987GTA1 Жыл бұрын

Why didn't you install all of the accessories kit??

@IdolTyme Жыл бұрын

Sweet video! That chain guard is awesome. What's the source?

@kane3331 Жыл бұрын

Not certain but it may be from go power sports

@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын

I'm reading the commentary and the majority of people here exactly in my age group. Basically reminiscing about when they had one. I still don't see the point of getting one as an adult when there was so many other options.

@thiswillprobhrt 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how tall a gear the Ghost would have pulled with it's stock ignition? It reached the limiter pretty quick, it's probably got more top speed in it.

@mr.liggins9092 Жыл бұрын

What was your top speed ? Should be 60 or more stock

@joelubke7447 Жыл бұрын

Do you need a billet fly wheel? Can I just put a stock coil on

@Oleman72 2 ай бұрын

I know this was a year ago but what clutch are you using? Also have you or anyone done a hime vs non hime out of the box? Thanks

@Black66 2 ай бұрын

Its been a long time but I do remember mentioning what clutch I was using at the time in the Ghost videos because I was comparing the Ghost to The Predator 212.

@nszabados 11 ай бұрын

any benefits to gapping the coil to .060?

@orionzzz1651 2 жыл бұрын

How tall are those bars ?

@rickyleewashingtonsr3538 Жыл бұрын

Hi I'm Ricky from Bloomsburg pa I have a azusa minibike with a 212 hey what size are the ape handlebars and the measurements for your seat as soon as I saw how yours looked I had to have one thank you so much

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! The ape hangers are about 26 inches wide at the end of the handle grips and 13 inches tall. The seat is 14 inches long.

@geesocreative567 Жыл бұрын

That little thing fast ...good video

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Check out this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrxonJhqxq25kaM.html

@freebehindbars8654 Жыл бұрын

Did you run the Predator with that flywheel? Cool video btw

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, here is more of an even Predator VS Ghost video. Also check out the Ghost playlist. Thanks for watching! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9CKbK6TltnHnHk.html

@BustedKnucklesBuildsTexas 2 жыл бұрын

Great video , she rips !

@predator_boiz336 Жыл бұрын

Man! I love the look of that gas tank! I want me one of those mounts and tanks for my mini

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have a video coming out for the tank mounts on Wednesday.

@predator_boiz336 Жыл бұрын

@@Black66 awesome! You make them? Or something you order?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

@@predator_boiz336 I make them . I show it in the video . Just a simple mount

@predator_boiz336 Жыл бұрын

@@Black66 awesome! Haven’t seen a video on breaks yet, any good aftermarket shoes you recommend? Or pretty much just whatever you can find works?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

@@predator_boiz336 If you run through the playlist we do quite a few brake swaps

@heatherblanchart2604 Жыл бұрын

Hey u still live in kingman?

@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын

Look a mini bike ! Wow i went out and got a new one from my local bicycle store when I was 12 years old. No suspension only one break with that little lawn mower engine. I remember it well. Then a couple of years later when I outgrew it I sold it to a friend and purchased my first Honda 400 Hawk. As the years progressed as I became more confident in my driving ability I increased to 750 class and so on. I honestly don't understand what the purpose owning a mini bike even if it goes 200 miles an hour. Once you reach a certain age. You can't go on the highway with it, it's not a dirt bike, it's extremely Limited to where you can drive it. You can't get a license for it, you can't get it insured. I don't know call me crazy.

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

We can register minibikes in AZ . Many are street legal here. I have. Video coming soon on registering a minibike . They are much less expensive than motorcycles and are just as much fun. It's also fun being able to work on them and modify them myself unlike many motorcycles. Also most of the community of people around the minibike and kart hobby are very nice people.

@KeithWileyTV 11 ай бұрын

Stock coil.? Isn't the one your replacing also stock? If so then r u saying that regular 212s are not rev limited

@BizWiz 2 жыл бұрын

Have the ghost installed with billet flywheel , changed the coil , can't get b212 to do more than 38.4 mph , why wont it go faster ... also I have juggernaut , am I doing something wrong

@rickyleewashingtonsr3538 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ricky sr are there any forks that will fit in a azusa frame without modification

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

GoPowerSports has a Universal Minibike Suspension Kit, Complete Front Fork Assembly that might go on there. www.gopowersports.com/minibike-suspension-kit-complete-front-fork-assembly-universal/

@nickn7939 2 жыл бұрын

what's the app you are using called to measure 0-30mph?

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

I use digiHUD on the phone along with the camera GPS for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30

@theis196 Жыл бұрын

Where did you get the clutch cover ?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Ebay

@oweniwaniec3679 2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering if you put heavier valve spring in any of your builds. Just put a mikuni carb and header pipe on a Coleman ct200 and at higher speeds the valves sound like they are lifting. But yours don’t seem to do that

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, quite a few builds on the channel have heavier springs.

@gbaker929 Жыл бұрын

What kind of lift is that and where did you purchase it from?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

I would tell you if I knew. I got it used. Could be harbor freight, but I'm not sure. Thanks for watching the videos!

@petebovenzi8119 Жыл бұрын

Subbed

@leonidasvanburen5084 2 жыл бұрын

What kind of Greece is that you use to solder with??

@IMKINDOFABIGDEAL13 3 ай бұрын

Soldering flux

@ericbeeman8717 Жыл бұрын

Try n find a 180cc volcano motor from an old banely mini bike has a lil 4 speed trans manual

@johnk6346 2 жыл бұрын

Alright for the ghost engine

@coryb6730 2 жыл бұрын

What GPS app are you using?

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

I use digiHUD on the phone along with the camera GPS for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30

@user-ey2sw3wd2r 9 ай бұрын

I put the ghost buster kit in and rod different carb. My ghost engine rips now pretty well.

@Black66 9 ай бұрын

I bet yours rips with that kit! Check out the ghost playlist. We have tried many different heads, carbs gearing etc on the ghost . Thanks for watching! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbR6lamSqsvHgYE.html

@benjaminleafer906 Жыл бұрын

What’s the app you used to tell the speed

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

I use digiHUD on the phone along with the camera GPS for top speed and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30

@brandinhernandez3370 2 жыл бұрын

Nice crank holding tool where can I find one thanks😊

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Made it out of an old clutch

@robbrelblair1971 Жыл бұрын

I need one of thoses bikes to start my youtube how much you charge i want one from you

@domenicozagari2443 Жыл бұрын

Can you make a fast cyclekart.

@bradykompelien8137 Жыл бұрын

What length if your throttle cable for the ghost 212 engine?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

I run 2 1/4 at the end of the cable.

@bobbaker8715 Жыл бұрын

Which is less work time?

@dannycalley7777 2 жыл бұрын

B66 ................like the back looking camera !!!!

@alexanderpapii4866 9 ай бұрын

Which would be faster a built Tilly or a predator ghost? I’m looking to build

@Black66 9 ай бұрын

In my opinion the Tilly is a better buy because it is less expensive in the first place. The extra money can go towards mods. But either way they both are fun and that's what counts.

@bradc9491 2 жыл бұрын

Was that a first pull start right out of the box?

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, right out of the box. New engine.

@brandond.3094 Жыл бұрын

Where did you get the mounts for fuel cell?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

I made them. I have a video coming out on it.

@brandond.3094 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Can't wait to see that' video

@randydanger7992 9 ай бұрын

I was getting Valve float around 7k rpm with 12 tooth clutch and a 75 tooth rear I swapped my rear to a 70 tooth and I was getting Valve float around 6k rpm I changed my valve springs from 22# to 26# and am still getting Valve float at 6k rpm. If I run it without a load tire off the ground it will pull well above 8k rpm . Am I misunderstanding gear ratio and load ?

@Black66 9 ай бұрын

The valve train on a ghost is heavy.

@anythinglogan5710 Жыл бұрын

remember me when you hit 1 mill

@madgav935 Ай бұрын

Why did he install the clutch backwards??

@j.o.n3321 11 ай бұрын

I don't know if I should just do a governor delet on the regular 212 or get the ghost, probably just get the regular 212 and pull the governor valve out would be the cheaper method and then adding aftermarket flywheel and parts.

@Black66 11 ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9CKbK6TltnHnHk.html

@mr.liggins9092 4 ай бұрын

Just get the ghost the rev limit is 6500. His gear ratio was horrible. Stock Coleman ex 200 10F/50R 65 mph

@patrickpalmiter5634 2 жыл бұрын

This leaves me wondering what a stock 212cc predator with a bullet flywheel can do.

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

I have a video to answer that question coming out on Saturday

@wayneyoung6382 Жыл бұрын

Do u sale them

@cripxyy7971 Жыл бұрын

Where could i get that clutch?

@Black66 Жыл бұрын

Volts minibikes web site has the Max-Torque clutch

@binnicksforge9359 Жыл бұрын

Them banana pipes give me an extra boost.

@igokarts4510 2 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️❤️

@pedrozayas553 Жыл бұрын

good 🙂👍puerto Rico. 🇵🇷🏆good work

@BizWiz 2 жыл бұрын

BLACK, I NEED YOUR HELP!!!!, SO I PUT A GHOST ON B212, GPS Regular tank, black , and of course there is no vent like my tilloson tank, it leaks from top , can I vent it somehow so the gas doesn't come from top , or maybe just take the tillotson tank off and install on ghost, thanks man .. update. Thanks anyways black , got it fixed , used another top tank cap washer.

@davessparetime83 2 жыл бұрын

All that for 5 MPH gain? Take the stock 212, Billet Flywheel and see what the speed is. Put 91 or 93 Octane gas in.

@Black66 2 жыл бұрын

The channel is about testing different combos . The results will vary from combo to combo and from bike to bike. It is fun finding out the results. Check out the playlist for more bikes and combos. Thanks for watching!