Predator Ghost 212 Racing Engine vs. Modified Tillotson 212 High Speed Track Test!

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2 жыл бұрын

The new Predator Ghost 212cc racing engine has been popular lately, and it performed near identically to the Tillotson 212 with a stage 1 kit in our 8 way Honda clone shootout, so we decided to make a dedicated head to head test to compare the price, performance, driving impressions, and overall value of the Ghost 212cc vs the Tillotson 212 with a stage 1 kit at the Virginia International Raceway kart track. The results were surprising!
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@CarsandCameras 2 жыл бұрын

You can't go wrong with either engine, but the Tillotson does give you more customization options at a better price point. What did you all think of this format?

@kpaintball3 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes towards the gap there is a beveled edge (top) or a dot (top) or writing (top) if there is nothing at all it doesn't matter .....99% of the time...

@bryduhbikeguy 2 жыл бұрын

I thought the whole video was well set-up to show the differences and capabilities of each cart,and the engines.Well done guys!

@jamesconnolly8342 2 жыл бұрын

I paid $250 for my ghost engine and $120 for the kit witch you don't have to buy. You can still get a ton more power out of the ghost and put any pipe you want on it. The excuse you made over and over on the video about why your favorite engine (tillotson) is way cheaper and if it didn't have this problem or that problem makes it a better engine is not true at all. Harbor freight has 20% off cupons all the time. I have to call bull shit . The ghost is the better value at the same price and still smokes the Tillotson. I love the videos tho.

@HUT916 2 жыл бұрын

Loved it.. I wondered through how much tire pressure would change the outcome with all the sliding on the ghost?

@mikkel1249 2 жыл бұрын

i love it when you play with engines and karts its way better than these boring mini bikes because they all look a like so we just dont watch them anymore .... sorry

@fieldinglover 2 жыл бұрын

That was fun to watch and I would like to see how big of a difference new tires makes on your Phantom Cart , Also how cool would it be for Cars and Cameras to sponsor a race day at the track and picnic for fans and families to meet you and get excited about Go Carts and maybe a minibike day ? You guys are growing the Sport and showing how to get it done and I thank you

@casiothestrong 2 жыл бұрын

Happy to announce I finally made a purchase on GoPowerSports for a stage one kit for my powerfist 212CC pitbike here in Canada. :D Thank you Cars And Cameras for being my favourite mini-bike and go-kart channel!

@JeepJim04 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always guys! I especially liked Charles' controlled slide coming through the last turn at 12:53 where he keeps his foot planted and the wheel never comes off center on through to the straight. Nice driving!

@amet575 2 жыл бұрын

This was a very enjoyable video! One of the best. Especially the driver's eye view/ going around the track. More, please!!

@Beodude123 2 жыл бұрын

I love the head to head videos! Thanks for all your hard work!

@vicks5520 2 жыл бұрын

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@bighomieJ5X 2 жыл бұрын

I love it when u guys do test like this .

@kennethdispain1807 2 жыл бұрын

Still fun to watch those old cart's running around the track guys thank you

@GooseGosselin 2 жыл бұрын

Great head to head comparison! Well done.

@TastierBackInThe80s 2 жыл бұрын

Really great piece of content. Test and tuning. Love it.

@sheldonvandenbeukel1356 2 жыл бұрын

Love watching these videos! I've learned everything i know from u guys! im currently building a sears roper and Honda go kart!

@williamramsey4431 2 жыл бұрын

Great review and good content as usual.

@thefishingchannel3192 2 жыл бұрын

Loving the content 👍

@JohnHill-jm7tm 2 жыл бұрын

Great review video 👍. This Old Man always enjoying your videos. Love you guys 🛵🧔💝💝

@bigbee6897 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoying your content keep having fun.

@jason1655 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the engine building tips and tuning it really helped me to build my engine.

@mxwizzard 2 жыл бұрын

Got to say I love these types of videos keep it up

@jacobbrewer5803 2 жыл бұрын

You guys have just about the coolest job ever.

@justpapahere8347 2 жыл бұрын

I love your channel here guys. Watching you break down and rebuild engines is epic. I'm looking into getting a couple of mini bikes for my son and me when he moves out here next month. He's moving from Chicago to Arizona where I live and we have tons of dirt trails out here. If you guys have any extra mini dirt bikes you want to get rid of to clear some room, send them my way, I'll pay for the shipping. lol

@Mountainpageproductions 2 жыл бұрын

Charles was in complete controll of that cart he was so smooth with his steering tracking he literally drifter the whole corner like he was driving straight lol Johns tracking was twitchy at first untill he got the hang of it but both great drivers dude they have came so far on so many driving platforms John didn't grow up in the power sports game like most did he got his first go cart at like 18 I'd say so most of us grew up and got our experience over time John is right there with the rest of us in 7 years go John 🤘🤘

@CDOGG500 2 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy to watch your videos!! I am also happy that you can build and play with go karts for a living!! good for you

@zephgage3694 2 жыл бұрын

we need more testing videos like this very cool

@articat568 2 жыл бұрын

I still find that building a fresh predator 212cc is the most enjoyable experience, But for my part of the fun is the building itself. Great content guys!

@MrCAMO112 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Thanks guys

@TRAKsportsTV 2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes my kind of video! Love a proper kart track.❤️ Get the T4 kart out there and take all 8 engines with you😉. I would watch that video even if its hours long! My favorite thing in karting is engine and chassis tuning.

@joegilly1523 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome content keep it up. I like these low carts .

@gabenieto3113 4 ай бұрын

I love hearing the flat 6's in the background at VIR

@justinoliver1984 2 жыл бұрын

Man... You guys, I've been a LONG TIME subscriber, viewer, and forever gear head! ...and I've finally got to say it after watching these flying laps/hot laps... PLEASE PLEASE get away from the round tri-figure steering wheels! John, if you catch that front wheel in a burm or wall your thumbs are gone buddy! Please run yoke style wheels on your "quick carts" ....you know the ones you'd change I'm sure lol. Stay safe gentlemen! Always love the content, and the trio really does work well. Awesome vid style on this one too btw

@miked596 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome content and video. Keep it up

@gokarting1018 2 жыл бұрын

The ghost I belive is made to race with the lo206 or “stock” class where the upgrade parts are against the rules

@EJ-74 2 жыл бұрын

Cool vid guy's. Love the race track content 🔥👍✌️

@callmecardo916 2 жыл бұрын

Coolio video! Liked the on-board camera shots👍🏼👍🏼

@fiendeng 2 жыл бұрын

Slingshot ENGAGED ! You guys rock 🤙 living the dream

@trumpfancardanostakepool4737 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Cool to see the comparison. The coil governed rev limit seems a good way to limit the engine revs. Easy to switch out vs the nuisance of removing the traditional governor from inside an engine.

@michaelblacktree 2 жыл бұрын

That looks like a lot of fun!

@peterherrington3300 2 жыл бұрын

Wise words Charles 👏 A coat hanger & baling twine has got me home many times. Greetings from England 🇬🇧

@kieranmorrison4348 2 жыл бұрын

loved seeing some racing karts out on a real track! keep it up!

@vicks5520 2 жыл бұрын

@ryan_team1420 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t see a dirt track in this video…

@noahlhefner7150 Жыл бұрын

Wow that is so cool. The fact that some of my dads parts is on that chassis is crazy.

@joey-gb5md 2 жыл бұрын

Love this episode I hate to say it but the episodes are always better with Just you two !

@leonreed4252 2 жыл бұрын

Man that looks like a blast

@a1racer441 2 жыл бұрын

Been waiting on seeing how these two compare and I’m surprised by the outcome the ghost I figured would be about dead nuts with the tillotson but was faster. Would really love a rematch with all the quirks worked out and fresh tires but that’s asking a lot.

@nitroneal48 2 жыл бұрын

it looks like you guys are having a lot of fun

@glenpiro313 2 жыл бұрын

“A World War Two Fighter Jet”. Legendary comment!!! Great stuff, VIR is such an excellent facility!

@SUKKAZMADIMINMYBAG83114 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great video I’m currently building my own mini bike from nothing and a rusty frame its a 212 engine from harbor freight and so far I got the throttle working just needs brakes and a new axle but hopefully I can get those soon and hopefully a new seat well wish me luck guys ❤️

@bryduhbikeguy 2 жыл бұрын

A piece of scrap wood from a build sight,and Walmart cloth,(I've even used a .50cent yard sale shirt),can make and cover a seat.Good luck ! Spray contact glue,and or staples.

@99milesaway41 2 жыл бұрын

@@bryduhbikeguy yup, literally how I'm planning to do the passenger seat on my goldwing bobber, except I happen to have some tooled leather vinyl scrap 👊

@fluffylake8540 2 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, I have a question beceause i never really see yall do this but do yall rejet the carbs? I mostly see the changing of carbs but never rejetting. A while back yall dit bore out the jets but i havent seen that in i guess a couple of years either :")) Thanks a lot for the vids btw, i have been here since the no sponsor, minibike days. And i gotta say, Charles is such a good adition too the team, i love the humor and the loads of uploads from you guys. Lots of love from the Netherlands guys!!

@Rev-maniac7500 2 жыл бұрын

That looks awesome! I bet the weight to torque Ratio is insane considering that there Dimensions are close to a Honda clone!

@levinhawkins7307 2 жыл бұрын

Love the videos♥️♥️♥️♥️

@jaask0111 Жыл бұрын

i saw the virginia and proline trailer banners in the background at the beginning, im in central virginia. i got a ghost engine a bit ago and put it on a minibike, got the engine done and im almost done with getting the parts to have it drivable soon, its a pretty nice engine, very easy to assemble

@dartmaster7789 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video........ Quick question do you have recommendation for a beginner welder?

@lawnmowerdude 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see you guys take a regular go kart chassis around the track. One that wasn’t specifically designed for track racing. Liking the track content.

@bryangarton2313 2 жыл бұрын

great show😀😀😀

@jdalzell3354 2 жыл бұрын

man VIR was poppin the whole day you guys were on the kart track lol

@taurincochran3398 2 жыл бұрын

Such a good time. Damn,I need a go kart!

@scottshevy8668 2 жыл бұрын

I always carry a coat hanger for the side of the trail....now. Lol. Thanks Charles. Love you guys. :)

@FarmerFpv 2 жыл бұрын

This was a fun watch, John. Tell Charles he's not aerodynamic, lol.

@morefurless 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love charles he was an amazing edition!!

@Rockit181 2 жыл бұрын

didn't know VIR allowed karts other than their rentals on their track, pretty cool test

@3dw3dw Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see you do a video with total seal piston rings as a mod. With no ring gap (it has ring gap but its covered) the piston is sealed up and has a good bit more vacuum and compression

@TXH1138 2 жыл бұрын

That's such a cool looking track and to have it all to yourselves must be awesome.

@mickeyhulk6790 2 жыл бұрын

I have to say I've watched a lot of the videos and in my opinion I think Charles makes a great addition to the team. Very knowledgeable and funny! Keep up the great work going guys.

@vicks5520 2 жыл бұрын

@dimesack-drunkenmaster6742 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant 👏 👏 👏

@aguyinnc2865 2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of my old go kart racing days.

@benaudet1002 2 жыл бұрын

That leaking out of the carburetor is due to some junk in the needle float valve, it won’t let it seat all the way because something is in the way leading to the gas leaking around it. This happened to me on my mikuni after it was brand new and it took me a while to figure it out.

@reddog543211 2 жыл бұрын

Well dun guy's.....great comparison......🤘

@otix3253 2 жыл бұрын

if only they had these type of track in California! so jealous

@RmDC24 2 жыл бұрын

Top 17 wooooo! Love y’all and what y’all do!!

@larrybrown8083 2 жыл бұрын

Y'all boys let em hang on them go karts. Makes me proud to have been born in NC

@jamierushing8811 2 жыл бұрын

Hi y’all from west Alabama love y’all

@shlushe1050 2 жыл бұрын

I actually used to race these style chassis! We used 212s and 224 honda clones. We raced them on smooth clay though, but corner speed on a properly set up cart was enough to pull your cheeks off of your face

@davidowen888 2 жыл бұрын

Y'all have fun jobs 👍

@vicks5520 2 жыл бұрын

@sammylisasmith2104 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one boys

@danielmaxwell3336 2 жыл бұрын

Big John, I gotta know, where did ya get that straw hat? I do lawn care on the side and I’m always looking for a good hat. Love you guys video’s, always awesome

@vicks5520 2 жыл бұрын

@calmarsh7853 2 жыл бұрын

Like to see you guy throw a Briggs& Stratton Animal into the mix

@kaseyjones4143 2 жыл бұрын

Hey charles how are them knees buddy hope you are good man. john you going gray on us bud you are to young for all that . great video keep it up guys .

@jasonjulian1 2 жыл бұрын

I have a related but not specific to this video question.... What's good starting jets for a vm22 on a 196/212 mini bike with stage 1 parts?

@GC_420 2 жыл бұрын

Stop by the car wash before filming...gives you an extra 7.3hp when clean! :)

@christophergraham3618 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are awesome yall gone saying it'll be fine all the time now lol I enjoy every episode I've built a go kart myself recently and I think I'm addicted uh my girl thinks I'm nuts 😅 but who wants to go slow on a go kart

@charliemaybe 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a modification video for a reliable 670cc build where there are light modifications to the engine

@madflaahavoc9392 2 жыл бұрын

What coil did you use to swap the ghost with? I want to remove the limiter on mine.

@thomfult7956 2 жыл бұрын

I keep wondering what these boys are going to do when they grow up!

@jeffreycoe3584 2 жыл бұрын

Them Karts are suspension set up for circle track ovals not right turns that's why it goes nuts to the right look at the front spindle on both fronts you will see is lower for more bite on left turns. Although it can be altered for road course yours would perform and make better times. I do have two race Karts and some knowledge thank you

@murrayminimotors1674 2 жыл бұрын

Great comparison n content 👏 thanks!!

@tristanmcnabb2741 2 жыл бұрын

cool stuff I remember that allsome looking gocar Frame cool stuff good to see it up and running allsome work guys from cruzermans inventions 😁🎉👌💕

@MRMechanicRC 2 жыл бұрын

I’d probably just get a regular predator 212 for $150 and do some mods (bigger carb, headjob, governor removal etc.)

@Irrelevantskill 2 жыл бұрын

dont forget to add.... you can also get a 2 year warranty... can you with the tilly? all i gotta do is pull my ghost off and go get a replacement without question.

@danielmoore7039 Жыл бұрын

My dude said in the side of a mountain 💪

@CLCIII 2 жыл бұрын

What are the high RPM vehicles we hear racing in the background?

@patriciaeaton-up4yj 6 ай бұрын

Would the ghost or the tillotson be better for my coleman bt 200x

@kevinchurch2713 Жыл бұрын

Are you based out of Washington mo?..i saw ur one video at Farmington raceway..also in Mo?

@danielalonsofernandez5798 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, could you say me the reference of the coil with the limiter, i want to find one similar in europe

@johnhicks735 Жыл бұрын

If y'all can find some older chain driven gear box riding lawnmowers the axle ⚙️ gear will fit.,or can be drilled out to fit on to your racing go karts. Just needs to match up with the chain sizes. On your clutches sprockets is all you need to do on that part of it. And bolt it on.

@Chris-cq5dy 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Great concert Great show 8

@vicks5520 2 жыл бұрын

@ARP6211 2 жыл бұрын

My kind of karts bc I go to dirt racing with those type bodies and tires and engines

@bikescarsandmore6156 2 жыл бұрын

I'm tryna find th brake kit for a gokart like that red one, where can u find one?

@darrellkelly7614 2 жыл бұрын

Here on C&C. We do science stuff. Meanwhile Ikes doin 58mph at the drags. 58? The ducarti would murder that biscayne...lol. But we learnt alot guys thanks for doing a great one..Again John gets spokesman props...

@rocquechatel149 Жыл бұрын

With the gov delete on the ghost I have a tiktok video about it on my cart ,under the same username if you are interested, but in order to get it to run right you need to put a utility/stock or billet flywheel on it on. The ghost flywheel says 57° and the flywheel from the original 212 has no offset. You can use an 8° offset key for optimal performance and it’s just like an ungoverned 212!